What were your underlying issues and what difference did you feel?

so this helps with hocks?

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Yes it helps with hocks.  

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yep yep yep!  I started my first mare on it the first part of Jan and saw excellent results!  I wanted all that I am riding on it and the only way I could afford that was to sell it.  It has been amazing! I now have 4 horses and 1 dog on it and it has been one of the best things I have done!  If you have a specific issue or question on a horse please feel free to msg me on my FB page at Summitjpturnin3ranch.  I want people to try this it is a GREAT product!

Summit is purified Chondroitin 4 Sulfate mixed in sterile water, it is stripped of all sulfate and heparin molecules. It is the size of the molecule that is making it work so well.

Ignorant question. Is Summitt a full on substitute for hock/stifle injections? Do I give it at home or have my vet do it?

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Has anyone ever wondered why there is no human version of these drugs if they help so much for arthritis??? Adequan and legend alone only have FDA in vitro studies showing improvement of cartilage and lubrication. Nothing post use, unless there is new studies out there I'm not aware of??  Now summit, which isn't FDA approved.  What about polyglycan? It's used off label for joints.  I guess my point is if the science is there why not approved for human use??? Ever wonder that??? 

For human trials it would cost millions and millions of dollars to get it approved. Then once approved the manufacturer would have to recoup that money In sales of the product. Instead of poly being 90 a vial it would cost 900.  Sales would be very limited because only a few could afford if. But if you leave it as a " medical device" and it's used off label them dose goes back down to 90. Notice legend is only approved for ONE joint on a horse. But given IV it works for all joints. It's only approved for the carpus. 

I don't know about Adequan type (PSGAG) products for human use but there are intra  articular  forms of Legend type (HA) for human use used by doctors . 

Yes HA because they do joint injections in people. But no HA given IV.  Most horse medications were once for people... Then something went wrong and they had to redo some research to deal with the surplus of the drug. This happened to bute and osphos for example. I don't really believe the whole it'll cost millions for FDA approval in humans. If IM and IV drugs for arthritis were so benefiting for the disease drug manufactures would be all over getting at least one approved. They would try beyond rx NSAIDS for something like celebrex...  Dr Ramey is the one who planted this thought into my head. Only in vitro studies on something then marketing it as doing something has me questioning efficiency.  If I'm questioning that and it's FDA approved... No way would I risk giving something injected into my horse that doesn't require a rx like summit.  Injecting something that doesn't have to follow standards that adequan and legend does and isn't even made in an actual pharmacy gives me the heebie geebies.

No. It isn't FDA approved. And no, you don't need a prescription to buy it. It's sold through multi level marketing.  

After the loading dose how often do you give it? 

What issues has everyone used it for?

I've got an older horse that has some soundness issues, I'm wondering if it would help him. 

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**Non Rep Story with my Horses. I now have all of my performance and my husbands older ranch horse on Summit. Everyone but 1 gets it monthly, my rodeo horse will start getting it 2x monthly (he's been on it for 7-8 months now).

My main horse, who is 13yo (had his legs ran off from the time he ran futurity) is full of arthritis. When I first got him, he was blown up, lots of issues, running 4/5D, refusing the alley and getting hock injections 2x a year. We took him to two different vets and put him on pentosan then adequan. He had his hocks injected before I bought him, so we didn't worry about them. Found out he's also a bleeder. Started to work with him, he ran and stumbled like crazy throughout the pattern.. We were DEAD last at every jackpot we hauled him to. Suddenly in July, he came back from his 40 day break to heal his lungs and he was back to being 1/2D but still pretty inconsistent and hoppy around the barrels.. Last rodeo I took him to he ran up the chutes and that's where I turned him out. I took him off EVERYTHING and just let him be a horse. And with that, at the end of July, he got a wire cut on his front hoof. We got cleared to start rehabbing him in the end of September. October came and he still wasn't 100% sound and it wasn't healing correctly. Pretty inflammed and pretty ugly to say the least LOL My main local vet had mentioned how he started to use Summit on his own horses after hearing his client's success stories, and we decided to give it a try.

We started him on the loading dose the end of Sept/Begin of Oct 2019. After the second dose, he was a completely different horse, running and bucking like he felt great again. His ugly foot practically disappeared and it was back to normal. No inflammation, no tenderness, nothing. After the 3rd dose, he was back to his normal work load getting rode daily on the ranch. After the 4th dose, end of Oct/beginning of Nov 2019 my vet cleared us as SOUND and ready to start hauling if we wanted. However, I gave him another month just to make sure he actually felt 'normal'. This would be his 6th shot by his first "comeback" race in December. He ran in the top 3D just barely loping. No stumbling. No tripping. And he flat WALKED into the alley. He was a completely different horse, the previous owner and I were both shocked.  **I took him off ALL other supplements when he got hurt in July other than his Race Today for his eiph, fyi**

I ran here and there over the winter. He placed repeatedly in the 2D and 3D. He kept walking into the alley. He kept loping a hot set of clean barrels and still placing high up on the 3D or 2D. So, he kept getting one shot of Summit each month. We started to really hit it off before corona got wild in Feb/March since he was fully conditioned and I was ready to let him RUN, and he started hitting the 1/2D. He felt FANTASTIC. We scoped him in March to make sure he wasn't bleeding (needing to go back on lasix/race today, etc etc), and he was clean. We didn't inject any body parts, we let him be! A cheap and an easy pre-season check! I decided to put him on Lifeline+ by stride to help out his lung health and gut health. He is not on anything else but those two products and his ProElite 2lbs of feed daily and pasture.

I understand for the most part that most folks don't like that it's not FDA approved, but I hate to admit to yall, neither is Pentosan. Or any of the equine supplements most will pile into their horses feed daily. I started my husbands ranch gelding on Summit (he has a bone spur on his coffin) and he has had incredible responses to it. Started my newest horse (he is 18yo and still competing) on it just recently, and I have seen the same results with him as I did with my main horse. He feels so much better and he's clocking like he's 9 again. I have ONE horse I didn't see any difference on, but she also doesn't NEED any support as she is only 6 and is basically just a looker in my pasture until she grows a bit more. However she is a reject cutter and had some wear and tear before I got her.

Take this with a grain of salt, take it or leave it. My videos are on Summit's facebook page reviews as well. Its proved itself to me and my horses, did things Adequan never got close to. BUT each horse is different. ;) Even the most proven products (omeprazole) don't work for EVERY single horse.

Pentosan is rx from a vet and compounded in an actual pharmacy... 

My "Pentosan" is PentAussie. Which is not FDA regulated. Seems like a lot of people don't get their pentosan from their vet, rather racehorsemeds which is DEFINITELY not regulated.