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Location: North Dakota | Bear - 2018-10-06 11:15 PM cheryl makofka - 2018-10-06 9:58 PM I seen your fence sitting on the HPV. The one cool thing about the HPV is we started by only immunizing a specific gender. The global surveillance den during this time showed something amazing. Just by immunizing the women alone it reduced male mouth and penile cancer by either 30 or 40 percent (sorry don't have the article in front of me) This is why we started immunizing the men. One thing to remember is majority of vaccines are developed the same way, the only main difference is the virus. HPV vaccinations in males might be a good idea but we have to keep in mind that we’re talking about a relatively rare cancer to begin with. The incidence is less than 1 in 100,000. About half of those cases are linked to HPV. A lack of circumcision is probably a bigger factor than HPV. You have to give an awful lot of HPV vaccines to prevent a case of penile cancer. I know the literature is showing a clear benefit, but I’m just not quite ready to sign on with this one....yet.
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| This is a subject I'm very passionate about. I know several that are vaccine injured. Its not rare. We have the sickest generation of children. The best advice I was given from a nurse friend: watch vaxxed and the truth about vaccines. Both great documentaries. Read the vaccine inserts and learn about shedding of vaccines. My little one just turned one no ear infections, no colds, no cough, no runny nose, no gut issues. Running, talking and interacting. Amazingly healthy. Eats off the ground, around several kids, gets plenty of sunshine and still breastfeeding. I'm also Christian and not comfortable with aborted baby parts being in vaccines (also on the inserts) I dont think pharmaceuticals keep us healthy. Many won't agee and I'm ok with that. I just wanted to post from a different view. |
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Location: Choctaw, OK | I was just at a funeral on Saturday for a 2 month old baby that died from unexplained causes three days after receiving more vaccines. He was very healthy until then. I already had strong opinions on vaccines before this. Please do your own research. |
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| Yes so sad! Many don't realize that SIDS is listed as a side affect on the inserts either?? |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Suerue2018 - 2018-10-08 10:35 AM This is a subject I'm very passionate about. I know several that are vaccine injured. Its not rare. We have the sickest generation of children. The best advice I was given from a nurse friend: watch vaxxed and the truth about vaccines. Both great documentaries. Read the vaccine inserts and learn about shedding of vaccines. My little one just turned one no ear infections, no colds, no cough, no runny nose, no gut issues. Running, talking and interacting. Amazingly healthy. Eats off the ground, around several kids, gets plenty of sunshine and still breastfeeding. I'm also Christian and not comfortable with aborted baby parts being in vaccines (also on the inserts) I dont think pharmaceuticals keep us healthy. Many won't agee and I'm ok with that. I just wanted to post from a different view.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | There is also an outbreak in Minnesota of a "polio" type virsus that has killed some kids.
Too bad since polio was gone in the US.
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| 3canstorun - 2018-10-08 10:09 AM
There is also an outbreak in Minnesota of a "polio" type virsus that has killed some kids.Â
Too bad since polio was gone in the US.Â
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Were those kids vaccinated for polio? If it was polio like, but not polio, then the vaccine may not have helped. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | GLP - 2018-10-08 11:47 AM 3canstorun - 2018-10-08 10:09 AM There is also an outbreak in Minnesota of a "polio" type virsus that has killed some kids.
Too bad since polio was gone in the US.
Were those kids vaccinated for polio? If it was polio like, but not polio, then the vaccine may not have helped.
It does not say if the kids were vacinnated or not. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Suerue2018 - 2018-10-08 9:35 AM This is a subject I'm very passionate about. I know several that are vaccine injured. Its not rare. We have the sickest generation of children. The best advice I was given from a nurse friend: watch vaxxed and the truth about vaccines. Both great documentaries. Read the vaccine inserts and learn about shedding of vaccines. My little one just turned one no ear infections, no colds, no cough, no runny nose, no gut issues. Running, talking and interacting. Amazingly healthy. Eats off the ground, around several kids, gets plenty of sunshine and still breastfeeding. I'm also Christian and not comfortable with aborted baby parts being in vaccines (also on the inserts) I dont think pharmaceuticals keep us healthy. Many won't agee and I'm ok with that. I just wanted to post from a different view.
The eats off the ground as in finding things to eat while out side playing or are you meaning like inside the house and drops food and then picks it up and eats it? The picking up off the floor while indoors is ok with me but being outside and eating off the ground is not, not healthy I would be worried about a child picking up parasitic worms .  |
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Location: N Texas | 3canstorun - 2018-10-08 10:09 AM
There is also an outbreak in Minnesota of a "polio" type virsus that has killed some kids.Â
Too bad since polio was gone in the US.Â
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It resembles polio, but is not a form of polio. They don't know what causes it so there is no vaccine or known treatment.
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Location: my piece of paradise | RoughstockKennel - 2018-10-08 10:41 AM
I was just at a funeral on Saturday for a 2 month old baby that died from unexplained causes three days after receiving more vaccines. He was very healthy until then. I already had strong opinions on vaccines before this. Please do your own research.
Would bet money it was SIDS. Especially if it was a puny white male... Usually one of the biggest causes of infant death between ages 2-4 months. Bless their family I wouldn't wish losing a child on my worst enemy. |
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Location: my piece of paradise | Suerue2018 - 2018-10-08 10:35 AM
This is a subject I'm very passionate about. I know several that are vaccine injured. Its not rare. We have the sickest generation of children. The best advice I was given from a nurse friend: watch vaxxed and the truth about vaccines. Both great documentaries. Read the vaccine inserts and learn about shedding of vaccines. My little one just turned one no ear infections, no colds, no cough, no runny nose, no gut issues. Running, talking and interacting. Amazingly healthy. Eats off the ground, around several kids, gets plenty of sunshine and still breastfeeding. I'm also Christian and not comfortable with aborted baby parts being in vaccines (also on the inserts) I dont think pharmaceuticals keep us healthy. Many won't agee and I'm ok with that. I just wanted to post from a different view.
Again do your research... aborted baby parts?? Yes in the 1960s they did culture some vaccines in electively aborted fetal cells. That was over 50 years ago! Today they use human cell lines from FDA approved human cell banks to culture the virus. There is no aborted fetal tissue in the vaccines. While I will agree that most children do have weekend immune systems now a days. I don't believe its from vaccines. I think its a combination of children being sedentary and inside playing on electronics and such instead of being outside and being exposed to dirt and playing actively. Also the traditional American diet of junk. Far too often children are being packed with processed foods and crazy amounts of sugar.  |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | “My baby has never been vaccinated, eats dirt, and has been around lots of sick kids, yet he never gets colds, never gets ear infections, and never has had any vomiting or diarrhea.”
That useless anecdote is a hybrid example of one of the most common tools used by an anti vaxxer. First of all, there isn’t a vaccine against colds or otitis media. Secondly, most childhood illnesses that cause vomiting and diarrhea are not prevented by vaccines. Personal anecdotes are the primary ammunition used by those who deny science. Anecdotes are used more by antivaxxers than any other fringe cult. Anecdotes are worthless and if your argument is based on anecdote, it should be rejected. Yes, they are OK for use in casual conversation. A typical logical fallacy used by those intellectually vulnerable to cults like the antivaxxers goes something like this:
- X happened before Y
- Therefore X caused Y
The antivaxxers use it this way: “I vaccinated little Johnny, then little Johnny developed Autism, therefore vaccines cause Autism.”
Now, the right way to look at it would be this way: “I vaccinated little Johnny and he later developed Autism.....I wonder if his Autism is related to the vaccines?” There’s nothing wrong with that. In fact that kind of questioning leads to innovation and advances in medicine.
That’s where Andrew Wakefield’s sinister plot came into the picture and unleashed this tragic mess called the antivaxxer movement.
He published an article in the highly regarded British medical journal, Lancet, in which he tried to prove that the MMR vaccine was linked to Autism and Crohns Disease. At first, it was considered a landmark new development, but the truth is that his research was fraudulent and debunked many times over. He lost his license and the article was retracted. If you read about this ghoulish quack you will realize that only the Nazi surgeon, Joseph Mengele, used more diabolical methods, including the use of children with mental retardation to subject them needlessly to colonoscopies and lumbar punctures.
Nonetheless, he was eventually railroaded out of medicine and forced to leave England. Austin Texas can now proudly proclaim to be Wakefield’s home. The guy made tens of millions from his deadly cult and fraudulent research.
Oh....and the movie “Vaxxed”? Guess who directed it?
Andrew Wakefield, of course. |
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Location: N Texas | inittowinit - 2018-10-08 2:10 PM Suerue2018 - 2018-10-08 10:35 AM This is a subject I'm very passionate about. I know several that are vaccine injured. Its not rare. We have the sickest generation of children. The best advice I was given from a nurse friend: watch vaxxed and the truth about vaccines. Both great documentaries. Read the vaccine inserts and learn about shedding of vaccines. My little one just turned one no ear infections, no colds, no cough, no runny nose, no gut issues. Running, talking and interacting. Amazingly healthy. Eats off the ground, around several kids, gets plenty of sunshine and still breastfeeding. I'm also Christian and not comfortable with aborted baby parts being in vaccines (also on the inserts) I dont think pharmaceuticals keep us healthy. Many won't agee and I'm ok with that. I just wanted to post from a different view. Again do your research... aborted baby parts?? Yes in the 1960s they did culture some vaccines in electively aborted fetal cells. That was over 50 years ago! Today they use human cell lines from FDA approved human cell banks to culture the virus. There is no aborted fetal tissue in the vaccines. While I will agree that most children do have weekend immune systems now a days. I don't believe its from vaccines. I think its a combination of children being sedentary and inside playing on electronics and such instead of being outside and being exposed to dirt and playing actively. Also the traditional American diet of junk. Far too often children are being packed with processed foods and crazy amounts of sugar.
Ha, yep! "I'm not putting poison and chemicals in my baby's body!" while washing down a bag of Cheetos with a diet Coke after getting Botox and puffing on a cigarette 
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| inittowinit - 2018-10-08 2:10 PM
Suerue2018 - 2018-10-08 10:35 AM
This is a subject I'm very passionate about. I know several that are vaccine injured. Its not rare. We have the sickest generation of children. The best advice I was given from a nurse friend: watch vaxxed and the truth about vaccines. Both great documentaries. Read the vaccine inserts and learn about shedding of vaccines. My little one just turned one no ear infections, no colds, no cough, no runny nose, no gut issues. Running, talking and interacting. Amazingly healthy. Eats off the ground, around several kids, gets plenty of sunshine and still breastfeeding. I'm also Christian and not comfortable with aborted baby parts being in vaccines (also on the inserts) I dont think pharmaceuticals keep us healthy. Many won't agee and I'm ok with that. I just wanted to post from a different view.
Again do your research... aborted baby parts?? Yes in the 1960s they did culture some vaccines in electively aborted fetal cells. That was over 50 years ago! Today they use human cell lines from FDA approved human cell banks to culture the virus. There is no aborted fetal tissue in the vaccines. While I will agree that most children do have weekend immune systems now a days. I don't believe its from vaccines. I think its a combination of children being sedentary and inside playing on electronics and such instead of being outside and being exposed to dirt and playing actively. Also the traditional American diet of junk. Far too often children are being packed with processed foods and crazy amounts of sugar.
Aborted fetal tissues in vaccines
Hep a/heb b (twinrix) : MRC-5 human diploid cells
Hep A (harvix): MRC-5 cellular proteins
MMR (MMR-ll): recombinant human albumin, WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts
Varicella (Varivax): MRC-5 cells including DNA & protein, human diploid cell cultures (Wl-38), human embryonic lung cultures
Zoster (shingles/zostavax): residual components of MRC-5 cells including DNA & protein.
All straight from the CDC website. I'm just not comfortable injecting my child with neurotoxins and carcinogens to make them "healthy". Something we like to go by is "Health will never be found in a pill and immunity will never be found in a needle. You aren't sick because you have a pharmaceutical deficiency in your body." I love reading others thoughts on this subject though! I respect your opinions & realize it's your choice.
We don't eat processed foods and very little sugar. All on organic foods so I agree with you on that part! |
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| Gunner11 - 2018-10-08 3:24 PM
inittowinit - 2018-10-08 2:10 PM Suerue2018 - 2018-10-08 10:35 AM This is a subject I'm very passionate about. I know several that are vaccine injured. Its not rare. We have the sickest generation of children. The best advice I was given from a nurse friend: watch vaxxed and the truth about vaccines. Both great documentaries. Read the vaccine inserts and learn about shedding of vaccines. My little one just turned one no ear infections, no colds, no cough, no runny nose, no gut issues. Running, talking and interacting. Amazingly healthy. Eats off the ground, around several kids, gets plenty of sunshine and still breastfeeding. I'm also Christian and not comfortable with aborted baby parts being in vaccines (also on the inserts) I dont think pharmaceuticals keep us healthy. Many won't agee and I'm ok with that. I just wanted to post from a different view. Again do your research... aborted baby parts?? Yes in the 1960s they did culture some vaccines in electively aborted fetal cells. That was over 50 years ago! Today they use human cell lines from FDA approved human cell banks to culture the virus. There is no aborted fetal tissue in the vaccines. While I will agree that most children do have weekend immune systems now a days. I don't believe its from vaccines. I think its a combination of children being sedentary and inside playing on electronics and such instead of being outside and being exposed to dirt and playing actively. Also the traditional American diet of junk. Far too often children are being packed with processed foods and crazy amounts of sugar.
Ha, yep! "I'm not putting poison and chemicals in my baby's body!" while washing down a bag of Cheetos with a diet Coke after getting Botox and puffing on a cigarette
We don't have sodas or cheetos and neither do our kids???? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Vaccines do not cause SIDS. If anything, they have a protective effect. |
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Location: N Texas | So I have to assume that anti-vaxxers don't get their pets vaccinated either? Or use flea medicine or dewormers?
What if they want to go on a mission trip to a foreign country and are required to get immunizations before going? I guess they just don't go? I'm legitimately curious. |
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| Gunner11 - 2018-10-08 3:56 PM
So I have to assume that anti-vaxxers don't get their pets vaccinated either? Or use flea medicine or dewormers?
What if they want to go on a mission trip to a foreign country and are required to get immunizations before going? I guess they just don't go? I'm legitimately curious.
Yes to wormer and no to vaccines. Don't find them necessary.
As for us if we need to take a trip, we will up our vitamin C, vitamin D and probiotics intake. And take elderberry syrup. We just try to keep the gut healthy and we are rarely sick. When we are sick, it's over fairly quickly.
I have a vaccine injured child, so I wouldn't label me as an "anti-vaxxer" but an exvaxxer. We did vaccinate. Had a health issue right after vaccines and before that she was perfectly healthy. This is when my research started. Most of "us" are exvaxxers. |
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Location: California | I applaud you for questioning vaccines. This is a good reputable site to begin your research.
https://www.nvic.org/ |
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