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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | della - 2018-11-09 4:58 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-11-09 3:50 PM della - 2018-11-09 3:02 PM If I were to ever have a stud again I would stand him at a facility where they do all the collection (collection training as well), shipping and onsite AI and mare care. No way do I ever want that liability and stress again of mares and foals on my place. But there are 4 great places quite close to me so that does make it easier to do that. I could take him back and forth and ride / breed my own mares. I have been casually stud shopping and pondering my goals and plans and that's pretty much what I have decided if Mr. Perfect trots on by. Della I never knew that you were standing a stud, what is his name I would love to look him up, how long did you have him? He passed away too young and very unexpectedly 7 almost 8 years ago. I can grab photos of him later if you really want to see. Im looking for the perfect boy for my mares though Im tired.of running back and forth and shipping semen lol
Awesome,,,yes post a picture of him, I would love to see him, I know that you really love your horses and it sounds like you have had some really nice ones in your lifetime, lol.. | |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-11-09 4:04 PM della - 2018-11-09 4:58 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-11-09 3:50 PM della - 2018-11-09 3:02 PM If I were to ever have a stud again I would stand him at a facility where they do all the collection (collection training as well), shipping and onsite AI and mare care. No way do I ever want that liability and stress again of mares and foals on my place. But there are 4 great places quite close to me so that does make it easier to do that. I could take him back and forth and ride / breed my own mares. I have been casually stud shopping and pondering my goals and plans and that's pretty much what I have decided if Mr. Perfect trots on by. Della I never knew that you were standing a stud, what is his name I would love to look him up, how long did you have him? He passed away too young and very unexpectedly 7 almost 8 years ago. I can grab photos of him later if you really want to see. Im looking for the perfect boy for my mares though Im tired.of running back and forth and shipping semen lol
this was cooter
I can not seem to locate any of the really good pictures other than some quick snaps I had taken. It is a shame he was very pretty, rode nice too on the ranch, he was mostley cow but went to truly truckle on the bottom, I have never had before or since a horse that had so much strength and power in his stride and yet just floated, he should have been a great one. I at least have a piece of him still, Hes the dad to the horse in my profile pic.
And thank you, I do love my horses very much they are part of my sole. I have been blessed to have never had a bad horse, some I wish I could re have now that im smarter lol but dont we all. Though I dont feel it every AM, Im still resonabley young and hope to build a standout little breeding program. | |
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Location: Arkansas | della - 2018-11-10 9:21 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2018-11-09 4:04 PM della - 2018-11-09 4:58 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-11-09 3:50 PM della - 2018-11-09 3:02 PM If I were to ever have a stud again I would stand him at a facility where they do all the collection (collection training as well), shipping and onsite AI and mare care. No way do I ever want that liability and stress again of mares and foals on my place. But there are 4 great places quite close to me so that does make it easier to do that. I could take him back and forth and ride / breed my own mares. I have been casually stud shopping and pondering my goals and plans and that's pretty much what I have decided if Mr. Perfect trots on by. Della I never knew that you were standing a stud, what is his name I would love to look him up, how long did you have him? He passed away too young and very unexpectedly 7 almost 8 years ago. I can grab photos of him later if you really want to see. Im looking for the perfect boy for my mares though Im tired.of running back and forth and shipping semen lol
this was cooter I can not seem to locate any of the really good pictures other than some quick snaps I had taken. It is a shame he was very pretty, rode nice too on the ranch, he was mostley cow but went to truly truckle on the bottom, I have never had before or since a horse that had so much strength and power in his stride and yet just floated, he should have been a great one. I at least have a piece of him still, Hes the dad to the horse in my profile pic. And thank you, I do love my horses very much they are part of my sole. I have been blessed to have never had a bad horse, some I wish I could re have now that im smarter lol but dont we all. Though I dont feel it every AM, Im still resonabley young and hope to build a standout little breeding program.
Here's hoping you find another good one and that program takes off---Cooter was a pretty boy. Even tho it's been some years, I'm sorry for your loss. . . . | |
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Location: B-F-E | thanks for the advice! That was all a really thought about doing was breeding him to a few mares for a couple years then gelding him. My friend has a mare and really liked him and a few others had approached me about breeding to him but he's a very big horse already (16.2) and I think the sooner the better now. He's kept at a boarding facility with other people handling him beside me and he's too much of a liability. | |
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Location: B-F-E | Collecting some semen from him before he's gelded would be ideal...I just don't know how or where to go about that either. I live in northwest Indiana...not a whole lot of options I don't think around here :( | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | della - 2018-11-10 9:21 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-11-09 4:04 PM della - 2018-11-09 4:58 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-11-09 3:50 PM della - 2018-11-09 3:02 PM If I were to ever have a stud again I would stand him at a facility where they do all the collection (collection training as well), shipping and onsite AI and mare care. No way do I ever want that liability and stress again of mares and foals on my place. But there are 4 great places quite close to me so that does make it easier to do that. I could take him back and forth and ride / breed my own mares. I have been casually stud shopping and pondering my goals and plans and that's pretty much what I have decided if Mr. Perfect trots on by. Della I never knew that you were standing a stud, what is his name I would love to look him up, how long did you have him? He passed away too young and very unexpectedly 7 almost 8 years ago. I can grab photos of him later if you really want to see. Im looking for the perfect boy for my mares though Im tired.of running back and forth and shipping semen lol this was cooter
I can not seem to locate any of the really good pictures other than some quick snaps I had taken. It is a shame he was very pretty, rode nice too on the ranch, he was mostley cow but went to truly truckle on the bottom, I have never had before or since a horse that had so much strength and power in his stride and yet just floated, he should have been a great one. I at least have a piece of him still, Hes the dad to the horse in my profile pic.
And thank you, I do love my horses very much they are part of my sole. I have been blessed to have never had a bad horse, some I wish I could re have now that im smarter lol but dont we all. Though I dont feel it every AM, Im still resonabley young and hope to build a standout little breeding program.
He sure was keeping himself warm with all that hair, lol..Thanks for the picture della, he looks like he was a real sweetheart and pretty to boot too..At least you got a son of his and can enjoy..  | |
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| My biggest advice would be to socialize him. Mine was at the track under the care of trainers that made him behave. I was pregnant at the time and wouldn’t have been able to haul him and teach him the manners he needed to know. Now as a 5 year old he is very well behaved at barrel races. That doesn’t mean he still doesn’t have his moments, but I really credit his time and experiences at the track with his good behavior.
As far as standing to the public, I think we all dream of having that special one that makes it big. But I’m not even wasting my time and money right now, I’m focusing on getting him proven in the arena. I’ve had some people approach me about breeding to him, and at this point in time I’m offering live cover to them. If all I ever do is breed my own personal mares I’ll be happy. I like him and my mares, and that’s what matters to me.
The other thing to consider is your facilities. If someone asked me what it was like to have a stud (I’m a first time stud owner), I would say lots of bent panels! My guy is not secluded but he has to have enough separation that he can’t touch noses, or he will constantly lean on the panels.
I know you said you’ve decided that you’ll likely geld him, but in case you change your mind I wanted to offer that advice from a fellow newby to stallion owning! | |
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Location: B-F-E | Jenbabe - 2018-11-13 1:12 PM
My biggest advice would be to socialize him. Mine was at the track under the care of trainers that made him behave. I was pregnant at the time and wouldn’t have been able to haul him and teach him the manners he needed to know. Now as a 5 year old he is very well behaved at barrel races. That doesn’t mean he still doesn’t have his moments, but I really credit his time and experiences at the track with his good behavior.
As far as standing to the public, I think we all dream of having that special one that makes it big. But I’m not even wasting my time and money right now, I’m focusing on getting him proven in the arena. I’ve had some people approach me about breeding to him, and at this point in time I’m offering live cover to them. If all I ever do is breed my own personal mares I’ll be happy. I like him and my mares, and that’s what matters to me.
The other thing to consider is your facilities. If someone asked me what it was like to have a stud (I’m a first time stud owner), I would say lots of bent panels! My guy is not secluded but he has to have enough separation that he can’t touch noses, or he will constantly lean on the panels.
I know you said you’ve decided that you’ll likely geld him, but in case you change your mind I wanted to offer that advice from a fellow newby to stallion owning!
When you say to socialize him, I'm not sure what you mean. His current situation is he is at a boarding facility in a stallion paddock so he cannot touch noses with anyone. He goes out during the day and in a stall in the evening. He has horses all around him outside, just none close enough to touch. I try to handle him everyday I go out there and the barn manager is the one that takes him in and out every day and she's knowledgable of stallions. He has a really nice disposition and is rarely naughty. Very sensitive too...if reprimanded for something, he almost acts very hurt. I was only wanting to a few friends' mares as they expressed an interest. This isn't anything I want to do long term. For one, he's a Tennessee Walking horse. He's supposed to be my husband's new trail horse. I think it would be difficult taking him to the places we go to as a stud. I also trail ride a mare so...
When you live cover breed him, what precautions do you take so your stud doesn't get injured? Do you use certain training techniques so he knows when it's time to breed and when it's not? | |
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| I think socializing should include being able to actually interact with other horses. I had my stud turned out with his brother that is a year older until he was 2, then I turned him out with an older gelding until he was 4. And they were across the fence from two other geldings. Now that they are all penned up he is across the fence from the older gelding, and sometimes his brother. I think it is important for them to learn how to be a horse, and learn from other horses how to act and have boundaries. Now that he is older he is in his own pen, but always across the fence from another horse. He gets alot of training under saddle and ground work, and has never bred a mare, so that helps his attitude alot I am sure. | |
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| My exerience with stallion socialization:
Zan got along with everyone for years and years. I used him to keep the weaners company until he was 6, along with my only gelding Boy. The fillies would be pulled and put with older mares when they were nearing yearling age and the young males would stay, so it was a nice mixed age herd of males. When Zan was 6 he ended up running the Boy through a RAM fence causing a $1900 vet bill and permanent loss of full use (he stepped on Boy's neck somehow). Since the Boy could be a bit pesky I thought maybe Zan just got tired of him - Boy went to live with the ladies after that. Fast forward about 4 months and Zan ran my Bully Bullion colt through a vinyl fence (just scratches on this one). So that was the end of Zan being able to be social. He now lives alone in the arena with mares in the two pastures next to it. He loves this life even tho it's frustrating to him that he can't actually breed mares through the fence. The only time I've tried to put males back next to him led to a bit boob. I really wanted my stallion/s to be horse social, but if you think about horses in the wild there are batchelor herds and then there is the herd stallion, who tolerates little from the batchelors. If your stallion decides he is the herd stallion then he will behave accordingly with the other males in his territory. | |
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Location: Mountains of VA | I think it is a mistake to breed your stallion before you geld him if you are wanting a nice, quiet trail horse. You never know how a young stallion is going to handle the situation of breeding/training plus he is at a boarding barn. Remember you are the one that will have to put up with the bad behavior and training to get him back under control not the mare owners, so again I say, geld him since your goal is to have a quiet trail horse for your hushand. | |
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| I guess maybe socializing isn’t the best word! My stallion was raised in the pasture with other horses, but he was gathered as a yearling. As a two and three year old we did turn him out with another gelding. That being said, he is in a pen by himself now, and the only thing he might get turned out with is a grouchy bred mare!
What I meant is to get him out now riding around other horses while he is still young and the hormones haven’t really kicked in. I frequently have the local barrel racers apologizing for getting right beside my guy, and I tell them it’s no big deal. First of all, it’s my responsibility, but secondly he can handle it because he knows bad behavior is not allowed while I’m riding. (Again, I never let my guard down because he is a stallion.).
If you’re going to put him in a social situation later in his life, make it happen now as well.
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| For breeding, I have a certain area where we take him. I make sure the mare is ready and willing to stand by allowing him to tease her. Then he has a special halter for breeding time.
I think the big thing is consistency and making sure he understands the difference.
I want to add that I agree with what was also posted. If I planned to geld, I wouldn’t ever breed. What is known cannot be unknown! It might be okay, but you also might have a gelding that never quite gets over that experience. Just not worth the hassle to me. | |
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Location: B-F-E | Jenbabe - 2018-11-14 4:15 PM
For breeding, I have a certain area where we take him. I make sure the mare is ready and willing to stand by allowing him to tease her. Then he has a special halter for breeding time.
I think the big thing is consistency and making sure he understands the difference.
I want to add that I agree with what was also posted. If I planned to geld, I wouldn’t ever breed. What is known cannot be unknown! It might be okay, but you also might have a gelding that never quite gets over that experience. Just not worth the hassle to me.
He's already been bred to one mare before I bought him. Still acts perfectly fine. | |
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| I had a gelding that was a breeding stallion before I bought him, he was gelded at 7 and I got him at 8. Was never anything other than a perfect gentleman. Some of them can keep their brains and manners, some can't. | |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | For what it's worth,
If you don't own the facility where he lives, Whack them off soon.
I'm actually surprised they let you keep an intact male there.
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Location: B-F-E | 1DSoon - 2018-11-15 7:49 AM
For what it's worth,
If you don't own the facility where he lives, Whack them off soon.
I'm actually surprised they let you keep an intact male there.
The place used to be a breeding facility before the current owners bought it and decided to make it a boarding facility, lol. It's already set up for stallions and for breeding actually. The current manager of it has a stallion of her own that she may bring out there eventually so she was totally fine with it. I actually talked to her about getting him cut sooner rather than later and she basically talked me out of it. | |
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Location: Silex Missouri | I am going to be brutely honest with you. You may not like what I have to say. First, if you don't own your own place, you don't need to own a stallion. If you don't do something with him yourself everyday, you don't need a stallion. We have two at home right now. I have competed on and hauled one of them. It requires 110% more time, energy, effort and responsiblity than owning a mare or gelding. You don't get to just go to a show and hang out with friends while your stud is standing at the trailer. You don't get to just enter a big show and show up. You have to clear your entry wtih the facility/promoter and arrange proper stalling while at the show. You no longer get to just worry about you but EVERYONE and their horse. Stallions will try you everyday. They are smart, they are full of testosterone, they able to smell an in heat mare a mile away. You have to be the Alpha with them all the time. A lot of professional trainers won't haul one because of the extra effort hauling one takes. I'm not trying to be mean or hateful. Just honest. | |
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Location: B-F-E | willyturnit - 2018-11-15 8:48 PM
I am going to be brutely honest with you. You may not like what I have to say. First, if you don't own your own place, you don't need to own a stallion. If you don't do something with him yourself everyday, you don't need a stallion. We have two at home right now. I have competed on and hauled one of them. It requires 110% more time, energy, effort and responsiblity than owning a mare or gelding. You don't get to just go to a show and hang out with friends while your stud is standing at the trailer. You don't get to just enter a big show and show up. You have to clear your entry wtih the facility/promoter and arrange proper stalling while at the show. You no longer get to just worry about you but EVERYONE and their horse. Stallions will try you everyday. They are smart, they are full of testosterone, they able to smell an in heat mare a mile away. You have to be the Alpha with them all the time. A lot of professional trainers won't haul one because of the extra effort hauling one takes. I'm not trying to be mean or hateful. Just honest.
I appreciate the insight. He's not a barrel horse or anything though. He's a Tennessee Walker so just a trail horse. I was just going to breed him to a few mares (that my friend's own) this spring and then cut him afterward. He was just bought to be a trail horse. We probably wouldn't take him camping with us until after he was cut and all his juices were gone  | |
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