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Location: N Texas | BamaCanChaser - 2018-11-14 9:44 AM
No. Everything certainly should not be posted on the internet. There are times when it's inappropriate. Said 11 yo's video should have never been posted and saying it was inappropriate is an understatement. However, in my opinion discussing a video and/or post in response to that video on a public forum that was voluntarily posted on social media for the entire world to see is not inappropriate.
And because I agree with Whiteboy, I'll sign my name. ;)
Lexus Carlee
I agree that if something is already posted publicly elsewhere, that posting it here, even with names, should be ok. |
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 Warrior Mom
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| All they needed to do was issue an apology and say they do not condone that behavior.. the dad coming in and defending it, ruined any chance for this to be swept under the rug and forgotten in a few weeks. Now more and more bad things are coming out about her and her actions, things shes done or said in other situations.. her supposed sponsors are denying having anything to do with sponsoring her and also going as far as saying they'd never sponsor her in the future either. Its sad, yes ... I blame the parents 100% on this. Absolutely 100% |
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  Champ
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | If this is what I think it's about, I haven't listened to the video. I don't want to. It's an embarrassment to society that a child would behave that way. That said, the parents are not doing anything to change this behavior or apologize for it. That makes this as much their fault as the childs. IMO all bets are off. It should be drug through the mud until something changes. At some point, possibly the child or the parents will realize they are mistaken. If the parents can't instill a moral compass in this child maybe public opinion can.
So short answer, If it's posted with names on other public sites, it is fair game here. |
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Cute Little Imp
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Location: N Texas | DaveM - 2018-11-14 12:16 PM I'm getting a constant theme that:
1. We are more than just barrel racing, we are a barrel racing community, that likes talking about and sharing many different topics. It's fun and I agree.
2. Most of us seem to agree that children probably need to be protected from themselves. But if they never "get in trouble" how do they learn?
With that said, when do we stop a thread?
When it becomes toxic, it needs to be stopped. I've been in groups where the sole purpose (unbeknownst to me) was to make fun of other people in other groups, or just be condescending and vile in general. Once I realized the kind of people they were, I left the group.
I get it that people like to gossip, but when it turns into all-out bashing and becomes hateful, that's not ok.
Edited by Gunner11 2018-11-14 12:46 PM
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Cute Little Imp
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Location: N Texas | As far as the post that got frozen yesterday goes, I personally think it's a good thing that stuff like that gets brought up here. Before yesterday, how many people here had actually heard about it? I sure hadn't, and I know lots of other people hadn't. If I had a little girl who looked up to this person, I would dang sure want to be made aware of that behavior so I would know that she is not a suitable role model. |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | Alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll the fun stuff that gets me in trouble...     |
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Ms Bling Bling Sleeze Kitty
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | OregonBR - 2018-11-14 12:41 PM If this is what I think it's about, I haven't listened to the video. I don't want to. It's an embarrassment to society that a child would behave that way. That said, the parents are not doing anything to change this behavior or apologize for it. That makes this as much their fault as the childs. IMO all bets are off. It should be drug through the mud until something changes. At some point, possibly the child or the parents will realize they are mistaken. If the parents can't instill a moral compass in this child maybe public opinion can. So short answer, If it's posted with names on other public sites, it is fair game here.
All good points OBR!!!
And I was actually thinking this morning... I wonder if all this was a wake up call for some and my hope is some good comes of it all... |
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Shuter down... you know who just showed up. |
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| Posts need to be stopped when we can't be polite.
That being said....there are a few certain smart-alecks on here who can't seem to not be sarcastic. Those people are usually ignored for the most part with their remarks, so a thread shouldn't be stopped for them.
As far as the 11 yo.... I'm sure the discussion was fierce. That video was attrocious. No where in any comments on multiple FB posts about the topic did I see people bullying her. I saw multitudes of people probably bullying dad...To do the right thing and raise his kid like a decent human. But peer pressure to do the right thing isn't bullying. I missed the thread. If it was stopped due to the fact that she's a kid, fine. If it was stopped due to people being ugly to each other, fine. If it was stopped due to people wanting better for the little girl and her attitude and they were being overly enthusiastic about it....it probably didn't need to be stopped, IMO. Especially when all of the info was 100% public to begin with. |
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Ms Bling Bling Sleeze Kitty
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | geronabean - 2018-11-14 1:38 PM ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Shuter down... you know who just showed up.
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Cute Little Imp
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Location: N Texas | Nateracer - 2018-11-14 1:44 PM
Posts need to be stopped when we can't be polite.
That being said....there are a few certain smart-alecks on here who can't seem to not be sarcastic. Those people are usually ignored for the most part with their remarks, so a thread shouldn't be stopped for them.
As far as the 11 yo.... I'm sure the discussion was fierce. That video was attrocious. No where in any comments on multiple FB posts about the topic did I see people bullying her. I saw multitudes of people probably bullying dad...To do the right thing and raise his kid like a decent human. But peer pressure to do the right thing isn't bullying. I missed the thread. If it was stopped due to the fact that she's a kid, fine. If it was stopped due to people being ugly to each other, fine. If it was stopped due to people wanting better for the little girl and her attitude and they were being overly enthusiastic about it....it probably didn't need to be stopped, IMO. Especially when all of the info was 100% public to begin with.
http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid...
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"Heck's Coming With Me"
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Location: Kansas | I remember a time when if a particularly offensive post appeared on a topic, that post was deleted.....not necessarily the whole thread. The moderators were watching closely then but likely don't have time now.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Overall, I think it would be very challenging to decide when a particularly incendiary thread has gone too far. I think there’s been a fair amount of latitude allowed on threads like the one about the 11 year old kid. Those threads go on forever sometimes and I think just about everything that could have been said was said. Freezing it was probably a good move, in my opinion.
I’ve been on here for over 10 years now, and I’ve gotten advice on a wide variety of topics outside of horses and barrel racing, and it hasn’t cost me a dime. For that I’m grateful. I think limiting topics to barrel racing and horses would kill this forum. |
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Location: East Texas | DaveM - 2018-11-14 9:08 AM
What should we be able to post on BHW. We need your opinions.
Recently we froze a thread about an 11 year old. I want your opinion about topics like this and when is a topic “off limits”. Should everything be posted on the internet? When is it appropriate, and when is it not? What’s your opinion?
I will use an "off topic" example for my answer. I follow a Eating Low Carb FB page. When someone posts something and others chime in with their opinions, after a while, you begin to see the same responses, just twisted a little differently. After a while, the Admins will turn off the comments and thank everyone for their input.
This is where I saw this going yesterday. A lot of people gave a lot of opinions, but after a while we began to beat the ole dead horse. I think turning it off was a great choice and in the future, if you see it going down the same path, cutting us off is probably appropriate.
I personally thank you for letting us talk about a variety of topics because I have certainly learned a lot about life in general with my board buddies! Horses, especially!! |
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Miracle in the Making
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| want2chase3 - 2018-11-14 10:32 AM I like being able to discuss everything ... not just barrel racing.. I get this is a barrel forum but I feel there is such a good group of knowledgeable people on that can share opinions and offer advice on just about anything. My thoughts on the 11 yr old... we all know who it is, it's been shared on fb and beyond by now so it's no secret about it. I think as long as you leave the persons name out of it, it should be ok. It's not too incredibly difficult to find out information on just about anybody these days, I feel this place shouldn't be any different.. just my humble opinion, of course! lol i must be dumb as i have no idea who they were talking about but i feel it should be decent what ever coments as go but i do love the varied opionios of everyone
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Location: Weatherford, TX | Bear - 2018-11-14 2:05 PM Overall, I think it would be very challenging to decide when a particularly incendiary thread has gone too far. I think there’s been a fair amount of latitude allowed on threads like the one about the 11 year old kid. Those threads go on forever sometimes and I think just about everything that could have been said was said. Freezing it was probably a good move, in my opinion. I’ve been on here for over 10 years now, and I’ve gotten advice on a wide variety of topics outside of horses and barrel racing, and it hasn’t cost me a dime. For that I’m grateful. I think limiting topics to barrel racing and horses would kill this forum.
Bear... I agree. I enjoy your posts. I do not post a lot. I have been registered with this forum since October 2003. ...15 years....LOL. I enjoy this forum as I do not participate in FB as I realized 6 years ago that it was an issue and could get ugly.
That all being said, over the past 15 years, I have been in very heated threads about colts, trainers, futurities, and drugs in the barrel world. I was fine with all my postings and others that responded.
Now, in my opinion, the most recent case could be discussed for a variety of reasons and I didn't see it as bullying.
a. This 11YO is in the spotlight. She has extreme talent, but her postings and what she does in public and posts in public with no shame should be noticed too. And I do understand her age and she doesn't know better, thats what she has parents for. Her parents condoned this all but the language. I saw other issues besides the language. If you want to put your child in the forefront, deal with what comes with it.
b. As I said, I do not have FB and never would have known about this. I do think her sponsors ( and others) should know. We are all consumers and do we want to support a sponsor that allows and supports this 11YOs behavior? I consider this forum to find out what is going in ALL of barrel racing.
I'lll probably get flamed, but I do not think you can't have ALL good with no bad. A person (or the parents) have a responsibility and also consequences. I think if you want the "limelight", you should conduct yourself accordingly.
As I said, I do not post often, but read/check daily. This entire BHW situation really got to me and I thought I should voice my opinion as a very long time member since it was asked for. And...I sincerely hope I explained myself well without being mean. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | want2chase3 - 2018-11-13 1:34 PM
All they needed to do was issue an apology and say they do not condone that behavior.. the dad coming in and defending it, ruined any chance for this to be swept under the rug and forgotten in a few weeks. Now more and more bad things are coming out about her and her actions, things shes done or said in other situations.. her supposed sponsors are denying having anything to do with sponsoring her and also going as far as saying they'd never sponsor her in the future either. Its sad, yes ... I blame the parents 100% on this. Absolutely 100%
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Location: Northwest | Not to take away from this thread but could someone pm me as to who most of you are discussing? Totally missed what is going on. On a side note, unless people are viciously attacking others, I think most topics are fair game. |
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Famous for Not Complaining
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Unfortunately what we witnessed was the ugly of barrel racing or any sport......its just not barrel racing....we have spoiled children and even adults.......in all sports.....
As far as discussion ........shouldn't it be discussed or just continue to turn a blind eye which seems to be the case with this particular individual......
And then again .......probably nothing will come of any of this......except what we see here and other social media forums ....... |
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Champ
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | This is hitting a nerve today as so many people think there should be no consequences to their actions. Anything goes. That's why we have crooked politicians in office, rampant lying, fraud and just plain illegal activities from people who have no conscience. Their parents failed them or they are sociopaths or both. |
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