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Location: Broxton, Ga | dianeguinn - 2018-12-19 12:27 PM
Whiteboy - 2018-12-20 11:15 AM
I'm just curious about all this. I've never understood why barrel racers will drive 200 miles to win $500. That isn't even worth most peoples time. Pay a real entry fee and win some real money. Â
Because we're not going to the race with the end result being winning money (most of us ). We're going because we love barrel racing. The money is just an added perk. At least it is for me. I would not go to a $1500 entry fee race....I wouldn't even go to a $500 entry fee race even when I had a horse that could outrun anyone. It's just too much pressure on me and my horse for one run. I'd rather go to 5 smaller races and win more. Just my opinion. If entry fees get that high, only the rich will be able to run barrels.
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Location: SE Missouri | This has been an interesting topic on FB.. I would pay the higher entry fee for the chance at some crazy money. I do not like going to a local race with 75% payback $100 added and you can't even pay for your trip. That's not fun to me. I love barrel racing and I love competition and seeing friends and the whole atmosphere (99% of the time). I missed so many local races b/c my goal was to go to every Lucky Dog race in 2018. I don't regret my decision and I'm going back to them next year. I did win decent checks at some bigger added money local races but I've gotten pretty picky about where I spend my money.
Team Ropers do it ALL THE TIME. I've asked the question on FB and I think the guys were scared to answer. How much of the mentality difference between the "typical" team roper and barrel racer has to do with the hard wired differences in women and men? Not trying to get flamed but I know I have more of the roll the dice attitude compared to a lot of my girl friends. Not a bad thing just different. |
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| abrooks - 2018-12-20 2:03 PM
This has been an interesting topic on FB.. I would pay the higher entry fee for the chance at some crazy money. I do not like going to a local race with 75% payback $100 added and you can't even pay for your trip. That's not fun to me. I love barrel racing and I love competition and seeing friends and the whole atmosphere (99% of the time). I missed so many local races b/c my goal was to go to every Lucky Dog race in 2018. I don't regret my decision and I'm going back to them next year. I did win decent checks at some bigger added money local races but I've gotten pretty picky about where I spend my money.
Team Ropers do it ALL THE TIME. I've asked the question on FB and I think the guys were scared to answer. How much of the mentality difference between the "typical" team roper and barrel racer has to do with the hard wired differences in women and men? Not trying to get flamed but I know I have more of the roll the dice attitude compared to a lot of my girl friends. Not a bad thing just different.
I saw that post.
I think it has to do with the differences in the 2 sports.
Team roping you are able to number ropers based on their skill level. My husband is a #6 header and I am a #2 heeler, so we can go enter the #8 ropings and not worry about roping again open rodeo winning teams (most of the time, everyone gets lucky once or twice before their #’s get bumped up). He can turn around and pick up a different higher numbered heeler and go rope in the #10 or #11.
He actually quit going to most official numbered ropings because if he got bumped up much higher it WASNT going to be worth it to him to go and pay high fees anymore because he’d have to take such a lower numbered partner because most ropings around here are 10’s or 11’s. So we go to a lot of open jackpots/drawpots. We’d like to get back into it more since I’m starting to rope more - but justifying the hefty fees when I’m still inexperienced is what’s stopping us, and knowing it wouldn’t take long before he got bumped up in number again and I lose my partner until I feel like I can compete in the #10.
We have other older retired friends who go to Arizona every winter and have complained to USTRC about the same thing - they get their numbers bumped up and that limits the people they can rope with and ropings they can enter. Folks who go south and spend $15-$20k/winter in entry fee’s.
I can’t take a solid 3D horse and only go run him against solid 3D horses. Then I can’t get on my 2D horse and only go run against the 2d horses. And we’ve all seen a solid 3D horse make a run of a lifetime and place in the 1D, or a 1D horse have an off day and make a 4D run.
Many organizations try to do some different things such as youth, novice, amateur, non-pro, etc. it’s just hard in a sport where the right arena, right ground, and right day can make all the difference. Heck, most nights at the NFR could have been a 2D. |
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Location: lone star state | team ropers have ruined me! go look at the payout for world series...400k! wow! |
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| firewaterfuelsme - 2018-12-20 2:19 PM team ropers have ruined me! go look at the payout for world series...400k! wow!
There is a local kid here that brought home over $300k himself from vegas. He's only 22 yo. |
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Location: Northeast SD | I'd pay around 400-500 if you had two runs and then you are able to qualify back for a large chunk of change like team ropings.
I've paid $350 for a slot at the American... Not the best chance of return considering most of the time the ones placing 5-10 aren't even getting their money back and it's one hell of a race. Even if you do qualify you are traveling to TX for Semi's and you had better have a hell of a run down there to make any money. That race just isn't profitable besides for the select number that make it to AT&T stadium once you look at the process as a whole. This is why I've opted out since this time. |
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| Whiteboy - 2018-12-20 11:15 AM
I'm just curious about all this. I've never understood why barrel racers will drive 200 miles to win $500. That isn't even worth most peoples time. Pay a real entry fee and win some real money. Â
That is just plain rude, I’m sorry.
Around here a typical large 3day jackpot on the high end of entries is 350 head - usually it has to be associated with a futurity/derby etc for the open to draw that. Anyway, under BBR that pays 10 slots on a 5d - so 50 people walk with money. That’s 14%.
Typical open 5d, 20% of entries are 1d/2d? That would be 70 head. 30% would be 105 head in the 1d/2d, that feels steep but maybe in Gods country of barrel racing Tx/Ok it’s true.
That leave 70-80% of your entries in the 3D-5D. Knowing that getting a check is a total and complete crap shoot if where the fastest horse runs. We’ve all won or lost by that .001 of a second. Maybe some of that 70-80% was a true 1d/2d horse who had a bad trip, but at least around here the majority are weekend warriors, moms, grandmas, kids learning to really hustle, ammy trainers on colts who are so so pround that their homebred home trained unicorn just ran in the 3D against professional American qualifiers. They are the folks working full time jobs, riding their 1 or 2 horses when life allows, who just want to go have fun, maybe see their kids and grandkids have fun instead of living life behind a screen or falling into other bad habits. They are people who love the sport, love the companionship, and love their horses. The $200-$300 in fees/stalls/sidepots they spend for 1 horse for the weekend feels like enough of an investment in a hobby. And when they do win a check - it’s very much “real money”.
They make up the BULK of the payback that lets the handful of check winners get what they do get. So to tell them to go pay “real entry fees to win real money” is effing rude, dude. |
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| OhMax - 2018-12-20 2:44 PM Whiteboy - 2018-12-20 11:15 AM I'm just curious about all this. I've never understood why barrel racers will drive 200 miles to win $500. That isn't even worth most peoples time. Pay a real entry fee and win some real money. That is just plain rude, I’m sorry. Around here a typical large 3day jackpot on the high end of entries is 350 head - usually it has to be associated with a futurity/derby etc for the open to draw that. Anyway, under BBR that pays 10 slots on a 5d - so 50 people walk with money. That’s 14%. Typical open 5d, 20% of entries are 1d/2d? That would be 70 head. 30% would be 105 head in the 1d/2d, that feels steep but maybe in Gods country of barrel racing Tx/Ok it’s true. That leave 70-80% of your entries in the 3D-5D. Knowing that getting a check is a total and complete crap shoot if where the fastest horse runs. We’ve all won or lost by that .001 of a second. Maybe some of that 70-80% was a true 1d/2d horse who had a bad trip, but at least around here the majority are weekend warriors, moms, grandmas, kids learning to really hustle, ammy trainers on colts who are so so pround that their homebred home trained unicorn just ran in the 3D against professional American qualifiers. They are the folks working full time jobs, riding their 1 or 2 horses when life allows, who just want to go have fun, maybe see their kids and grandkids have fun instead of living life behind a screen or falling into other bad habits. They are people who love the sport, love the companionship, and love their horses. The $200-$300 in fees/stalls/sidepots they spend for 1 horse for the weekend feels like enough of an investment in a hobby. And when they do win a check - it’s very much “real money”. They make up the BULK of the payback that lets the handful of check winners get what they do get. So to tell them to go pay “real entry fees to win real money” is effing rude, dude.
The word investment would imply you expected a return. But from the sounds of it you are just trying to minimize losses, and never acutally intended to win anything. I appoligize you felt I was being rude. That was not my intention. |
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| Whiteboy - 2018-12-20 3:20 PM
OhMax - 2018-12-20 2:44 PM Whiteboy - 2018-12-20 11:15 AM I'm just curious about all this. I've never understood why barrel racers will drive 200 miles to win $500. That isn't even worth most peoples time. Pay a real entry fee and win some real money.  That is just plain rude, I’m sorry. Around here a typical large 3day jackpot on the high end of entries is 350 head - usually it has to be associated with a futurity/derby etc for the open to draw that. Anyway, under BBR that pays 10 slots on a 5d - so 50 people walk with money. That’s 14%. Typical open 5d, 20% of entries are 1d/2d? That would be 70 head. 30% would be 105 head in the 1d/2d, that feels steep but maybe in Gods country of barrel racing Tx/Ok it’s true. That leave 70-80% of your entries in the 3D-5D. Knowing that getting a check is a total and complete crap shoot if where the fastest horse runs. We’ve all won or lost by that .001 of a second. Maybe some of that 70-80% was a true 1d/2d horse who had a bad trip, but at least around here the majority are weekend warriors, moms, grandmas, kids learning to really hustle, ammy trainers on colts who are so so pround that their homebred home trained unicorn just ran in the 3D against professional American qualifiers. They are the folks working full time jobs, riding their 1 or 2 horses when life allows, who just want to go have fun, maybe see their kids and grandkids have fun instead of living life behind a screen or falling into other bad habits. They are people who love the sport, love the companionship, and love their horses. The $200-$300 in fees/stalls/sidepots they spend for 1 horse for the weekend feels like enough of an investment in a hobby. And when they do win a check - it’s very much “real money”. They make up the BULK of the payback that lets the handful of check winners get what they do get. So to tell them to go pay “real entry fees to win real money” is effing rude, dude.
Investment returns don’t have to be monetary in nature.
Time spent with friends and family for example, may be all the return a lot of folks are looking for. Barrel racing and having a chance a winning back a little bit is icing on the cake for time spent with friends and family who might otherwise be hours apart - or maybe friends you consider family that you never would have met if not for the love of the sport.
Don’t get me wrong - I like to win money. But until I have that wicked horse who’s got a better shot of an ROI - I can only justify a couple $100-$200 gambles a year. |
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| brlraceaddict - 2018-12-20 11:53 AM
Whiteboy - 2018-12-20 7:18 AM What would you expect for a $1,500 entry fee? Â
I could never afford a $1500 entry fee period, especially for a crap shoot 4 or 5D race when I know I won't be in the 1D.Â
This is not uncommon at any world show. There may be a little added money but most likely not. All expenses stall, fees etc very often run in the range of about $1750 plus the cost of fuel getting there which for me is about 300 to 375 miles. We enter those for a completely different reason than the average barrel race though. |
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Location: SE Missouri | It's interesting you pointed out only wanting to gamble $100-$200 a couple times a year.. I can't even go to a local jackpot for less that $100 if you count fuel, food, and entry fees. I still end up with the same maintenance cost, feed cost, truck payment (when I had one but having an old truck and cheap trailer helps, lol), same breeding fees and time invested on my horses. I want to support my local jackpots (and do when they have awesome payback and added money or need to get a run in) but I don't feel like I can afford TO go to a local one with basically no chance of getting my money back.
On the team roping thing - they definitely have their share of issues and spend a ton more money to enter/practice. Guys not getting bumped that should and the association not lowering numbers when they should (my husband has had two shoulder surgeries and still can't get lowered).
I love them both and honestly I'll have to give up some barrel racing weekends soon to go with my hubby to some team ropings. He has an awesome horse and hasn't roped in over 2 years. He hasn't had time with all the construction stuff we've had going on. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | streakysox - 2018-12-20 4:37 PM brlraceaddict - 2018-12-20 11:53 AM Whiteboy - 2018-12-20 7:18 AM What would you expect for a $1,500 entry fee? I could never afford a $1500 entry fee period, especially for a crap shoot 4 or 5D race when I know I won't be in the 1D. This is not uncommon at any world show. There may be a little added money but most likely not. All expenses stall, fees etc very often run in the range of about $1750 plus the cost of fuel getting there which for me is about 300 to 375 miles. We enter those for a completely different reason than the average barrel race though.
My husband drops that much every weekend he goes to a cutting. :
Again, lots of people go for different reasons. To each his own. |
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| firewaterfuelsme - 2018-12-20 2:19 PM
team ropers have ruined me! go look at the payout for world series...400k! wow!
Against ropers of his own skill level.
I’m just not convinced the same concept carries well into barrel racing.
I think some folks are trying. Equal payout races try - but everyone has varied opinions about those too. But I’m just not sure very many 4d/5d folks are going to go out and drop $2000 on an entry fee alone to have their entire fate decided by how fast the fastest horse runs. Some will - but probably not the hundreds that you would need to make up a million dollar payout without any added money.
In team roping the ability to number based on rider’s roping skill means the “5d” equivalent of a roper can enter and only rope against other “5d” ropers.
Horse power matters more in the barrel racing. I’ve seen my husband make some ridiculous roping shots because he’s just darn handy on horses who didn’t give him anything to work with. A 1d rider does not make a 4d horse a 1d horse if that is the horses maxed out potential.
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| abrooks - 2018-12-20 3:41 PM
It's interesting you pointed out only wanting to gamble $100-$200 a couple times a year.. I can't even go to a local jackpot for less that $100 if you count fuel, food, and entry fees. I still end up with the same maintenance cost, feed cost, truck payment (when I had one but having an old truck and cheap trailer helps, lol), same breeding fees and time invested on my horses. I want to support my local jackpots (and do when they have awesome payback and added money or need to get a run in) but I don't feel like I can afford TO go to a local one with basically no chance of getting my money back.
On the team roping thing - they definitely have their share of issues and spend a ton more money to enter/practice. Guys not getting bumped that should and the association not lowering numbers when they should (my husband has had two shoulder surgeries and still can't get lowered).
I love them both and honestly I'll have to give up some barrel racing weekends soon to go with my hubby to some team ropings. He has an awesome horse and hasn't roped in over 2 years. He hasn't had time with all the construction stuff we've had going on.
I meant $100-$200 in entry fees on their own, not including all the other items. Generally those things - stalls, fees, miles etc, stay pretty consistent in my area race to race whether I’m paying a $45 fee or a $110 fee. I haven’t ventured say 8 hours to go run at Guthrie or OKC - so I’m very much talking midwestern barrel racing. 5 hrs is about the farthest I travel. $45-$60 is a typical entry fee per race for a Fri-Sun jackpot with $1000-$2500 added money. Then you have stalls, fees, fuel.
Idk, maybe the day that barrel racing gets to the big money entries is coming. Maybe I better start stuffing some money into the mattress so I can participate, because right now it’s not there.
I feel like for us - solid middle class folks, work hard, buy young horses and train them ourselves - our equine overhead is really minimal with a lot sweat equity. Something like qualifying and going to the World Series of TR would be a bucket list item. We’d be able to swing at it once by purposefully saving for it and if we had a bad week in Vegas we’d want to puke thinking of what else we could have done with all that money.
But we also never go to the casino, it’s just not what gets our blood pumping. |
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Location: WI | I've paid $250 for a slot race, but I'd won well over that prior to entering and my 'horse account' was fat at the time. That is usually not the case, lol
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | streakysox - 2018-12-20 4:37 PM brlraceaddict - 2018-12-20 11:53 AM Whiteboy - 2018-12-20 7:18 AM What would you expect for a $1,500 entry fee? I could never afford a $1500 entry fee period, especially for a crap shoot 4 or 5D race when I know I won't be in the 1D. This is not uncommon at any world show. There may be a little added money but most likely not. All expenses stall, fees etc very often run in the range of about $1750 plus the cost of fuel getting there which for me is about 300 to 375 miles. We enter those for a completely different reason than the average barrel race though.
I heard that you won a World Championship.
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Location: Broxton, Ga | 3canstorun - 2018-12-19 4:54 PM
streakysox - 2018-12-20 4:37 PM brlraceaddict - 2018-12-20 11:53 AM Whiteboy - 2018-12-20 7:18 AM What would you expect for a $1,500 entry fee?  I could never afford a $1500 entry fee period, especially for a crap shoot 4 or 5D race when I know I won't be in the 1D. This is not uncommon at any world show. There may be a little added money but most likely not. All expenses stall, fees etc very often run in the range of about $1750 plus the cost of fuel getting there which for me is about 300 to 375 miles. We enter those for a completely different reason than the average barrel race though. Again, lots of people go for different reasons.  To each his own. Â
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | CJE - 2018-12-20 6:28 PM
3canstorun - 2018-12-19 4:54 PM
streakysox - 2018-12-20 4:37 PM brlraceaddict - 2018-12-20 11:53 AM Whiteboy - 2018-12-20 7:18 AM What would you expect for a $1,500 entry fee?  I could never afford a $1500 entry fee period, especially for a crap shoot 4 or 5D race when I know I won't be in the 1D. This is not uncommon at any world show. There may be a little added money but most likely not. All expenses stall, fees etc very often run in the range of about $1750 plus the cost of fuel getting there which for me is about 300 to 375 miles. We enter those for a completely different reason than the average barrel race though. Again, lots of people go for different reasons.  To each his own. Â
No cutting events for me then.............lol well and I don't have a cutter either........
Now if he would win it back. Lol. But like people who Barrel race, it’s his therapy. |
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| 1DSoon - 2018-12-20 4:22 PM
streakysox - 2018-12-20 4:37 PM brlraceaddict - 2018-12-20 11:53 AM Whiteboy - 2018-12-20 7:18 AM What would you expect for a $1,500 entry fee?  I could never afford a $1500 entry fee period, especially for a crap shoot 4 or 5D race when I know I won't be in the 1D. This is not uncommon at any world show. There may be a little added money but most likely not. All expenses stall, fees etc very often run in the range of about $1750 plus the cost of fuel getting there which for me is about 300 to 375 miles. We enter those for a completely different reason than the average barrel race though.
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