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| @ Mecon: I strongly suspect the underlying reason reason for your hatred of President Trump is his Leftist-diagnosed, "Toxic Masculinity" !!! | |
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| Gail - 2018-12-21 10:34 AM
Mecon - 2018-12-21 9:00 AM No one of quality will work for this odious human being, to the utter detriment of our beautiful country.
You and I will agree on little as you being a liberal and me being a conservative but I will agree losing Mattis is a terrible loss. Â The Taliban are in peace talks today with the Afghan's because we have pounded the heck out of the Taliban under Mattis's leadership. Â Â It will be interesting to see how Trump's move plays out in the peace talks now.
Mecon - I agree we should not be running missions outside the wire in Afghanistan. I feel strongly about this and especially now when my son's teammate was killed by an IED blast three weeks ago outside the wire.  But do not assume every conservative is happy about Trump's inability to get along with his advisors. There are many like myself who strongly dissaprove of Trump's communication style ( and other).
My beef is not with the conservatism as exemplified by William F. Buckley, Krauthammer, George Will, William Kristol, McCain, Eisenhower, Reagan, PJ O’Rourke, Bush, etc. - the decent, thoughtful, heroic, patriots on the right of our political spectrum. My objection is to Donald Trump, an ODIOUS lying coward, authoritarian, self serving, ill-informed, incompetent, fiscally irresponsible impulsive buffoon whose megalomania is only matched by his narcissism and idiocy. His disregard for our national interest, decades of alliances, trade agreements, coherent foreign policy, and his ass kissing subservience to our enemy, Putin, is nothing short of an abomination. What exactly do Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump know about foreign policy? Nothing!! Many of his trusted pals are convicted felons on the way, or in prison - people he hired and brought into the hallowed halls of our highest office. Donald Trump, and the personality cult of his ongoing supporters have opened Pandora’s Box of escalating chaos and division in our country, and the world. If you are not scared now, you will be. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I’ll be the first to admit that Trump’s tweets and off the cuff remarks have made me cringe many times, but here’s the deal. Trump doesn’t care about political correctness. He is the only president we’ve ever had who just decided to throw down and get in the game.
He was just as disgusted and fed up with our leaders and our government as most of us. He doesn’t give a sh!t if he has to offend some European allies. If he sees that they aren’t living up to their commitments in defense spending, as part of NATO, so he calls them out on it and embarrasses them. He was right. He had the balls to call them out. Here’s the deal. All 29 NATO countries have committed to spending at least 2% of their GDP on defense spending. Of those 29 countries, besides the US, which spends 3.8% of their GDP on defense spending, only 4 countries have met their commitment: Great Britain, Poland, Greece, and Estonia. Freakin GREECE. FREAKIN ESTONIA!? These countries pull their weight, but the rest were shamed by the truth. Germany, for instance, only spends 1.1% of their GDP on defense. He doesn’t “offend” our allies with tacky tweets. He offends them because he called attention to the truth....which is they have been taking advantage of our willingness to spend ourselves into exponential debt, largely because of our generosity ever since the end of WWII. 1% versus 3% doesn’t sound like that much if you are oblivious to what constitutes the GDP of a nation. Put it another way, if WE only spent 1% of our GDP, like Germany, our defense budget would be $200 billion....over $500 billion less than what we spend now.
Get my drift?
I’ll explain more about Eisenhower’s warning to America. In his farewell address to the nation, President Dwight D. Eisenhower warns the American people to keep a careful eye on what he calls the “military-industrial complex” that has developed in the post-World War II years.
He was a fiscal conservative and had been concerned about the growing size and cost of the American defense establishment since he became president in 1953. In that last presidential address to the American people, he expressed those concerns in terms that frankly shocked the nation.
Eisenhower began by describing the changing nature of the American defense establishment since World War II. No longer could the U.S. afford the “emergency improvisation” that characterized its preparations for war against Germany and Japan. Instead, the United States was “compelled to create a permanent armaments industry” and a huge military force. He admitted that the Cold War made clear the “imperative need for this development,” but he was gravely concerned about “the acquisition of unwarranted influence…by the military-industrial complex.” In particular, he asked the American people to guard against the “danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.” He WARNED us.
How could it be that the man who led the country to victory in Europe in World War II and guided the nation through some of the darkest moments of the Cold War was so negative toward the military-industrial complex which was the backbone of America’s defense? For most listeners, however, it seemed clear that Eisenhower was merely stating the obvious. World War II and the ensuing Cold War resulted in the development of a large and powerful defense establishment. Necessary though that development might be, Eisenhower warned, this new military-industrial complex could weaken or destroy the very institutions and principles it was designed to protect.
We have seen this fear and warning morph into reality.
Something tells me that this is all part of the swamp that became a slogan in 2016.
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| Frodo - 2018-12-21 10:25 AM
These gentlemen didn't agree on many things and General Mattis just decided it was time to throw in the towel. People do that. You watch too much liberal 24/7 Trump hating media. Â
...and do not call our President odious. Have some respect for this man. Â
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Do I have respect for the office if the Presidency? Without bounds. But I reserve my respect for people based upon their values and conduct. Donald Trump’s morality and conduct are pretty much in the toilet, or maybe brothel, wouldn’t you say? | |
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| texpat - 2018-12-21 5:50 PM
@ Mecon: I strongly suspect the underlying reason reason for your hatred of President Trump is his Leftist-diagnosed, "Toxic Masculinity" !!!
What in the world are you talking about? People who behave like Donald Trump are triple A$$$$$$holes, male or female. | |
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| jake16 - 2018-12-21 9:36 AM
Mecon - 2018-12-21 10:00 AM
No one of quality will work for this odious human being, to the utter detriment of our beautiful country.
 I thought you didn't like posting about politics.
You got it wrong, Jake. I don’t mind posting my political viewpoints at all. When queried, I voiced my opinion that this is a barrel racing forum, (one from which I have learned a thing or two about horses), and that it might be better served by sticking to barrel racing topics. I just got my belly full of the ultra right wing hate mongering posts that erupt every so often like pimples on an adolescent. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Mecon: “I voiced my opinion that this is a barrel racing forum, (one from which I have learned a thing or two about horses), and that it might be better served by sticking to barrel racing topics.”
Meanwhile about 9 out of 10 of her posts are political.
To borrow her favorite word of the day, this is “odious” hypocrisy.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Mecon - 2018-12-21 9:00 AM
No one of quality will work for this odious human being, to the utter detriment of our beautiful country.
Oh, and by the way, Obama actually fired General Mattis.
Do you realize this? Supposedly, the Obama administration did not place much trust in Mattis because they felt he was too eager for a military confrontation with Iran. Obama fired Mattis as head of Central Command, but didn’t even bother to inform him.
Was that “odious”? Were you outraged? Of course not.
In fact, Obama purged the military of about 200 high ranking officers...generals and admirals. Most noteworthy, he purged several after the Benghazi disaster, mainly because they were adamant about mounting a rescue mission.
Sounds pretty “odious” to me. | |
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Location: Ky | KKCOWGIRL - 2018-12-21 1:02 PM jd&ez - 2018-12-21 12:52 PM KKCOWGIRL - 2018-12-21 10:30 AM I love my President. He's making America GREAT again
America's greatness is what allows a trump to even exist.
I didn't misunderstand anything. I was commenting on the treasonous statement that America was not already great. | |
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Location: Ky | Whiteboy - 2018-12-21 10:38 AM Trump may not be perfect, but he has dang sure done a great job considering the worthless dems he has to work around. #MAGA
You can't blame the democrats for trump's inepness. He has had a republican senate and house. He has a republican supreme court. His failings are his own failings. He will never take ownership of them as he is always blameless and the trumplings will never hold him accountable.
And America was already great.
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| Bear - 2018-12-22 8:21 AM Mecon - 2018-12-21 9:00 AM No one of quality will work for this odious human being, to the utter detriment of our beautiful country. Oh, and by the way, Obama actually fired General Mattis. Do you realize this? Supposedly, the Obama administration did not place much trust in Mattis because they felt he was too eager for a military confrontation with Iran. Obama fired Mattis as head of Central Command, but didn’t even bother to inform him. Was that “odious”? Were you outraged? Of course not. In fact, Obama purged the military of about 200 high ranking officers...generals and admirals. Most noteworthy, he purged several after the Benghazi disaster, mainly because they were adamant about mounting a rescue mission. Sounds pretty “odious” to me.
We actually knew the men standing by for a rescue mission. Bear is correct.
Benghazi..sequestration..rules of engagement Obama was catastophic for National Security. Want to know why the Taliban came to table for peace talks? Because we have been "taking it to the Taliban" with the use of ODA Teams. Mattis calmed our Allies and the Troops loved him.
Obama had a disdain for military operations - Trump -well - he makes these knee jerk actions that do nothing but alienate people who are trying hard to support him. Trump believes he is saving American lives by withdrawing from Syria (he is not) If Trump wants to save lives he can order missions outside the wire to be stopped. In otherwords using our men to pick off Taliban leaders. That is how we get killed. Use your airpower in force if needed. Maintan your base but please Trump don't telegraph to the enemy your intentions.
Trump did return combat pay ( taken away by Obama), fund the upgrading of our depleted aircraft, ships and weapons and show a genuine respect for our Troops. I just hope and pray he gets a National Security Advisor that won't let him go off the deep end. One more question we have never recieved an answer to - how many soldiers have died in training excercises due to the poor equipment and training due to Obama'ssequestration? | |
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Location: Weatherford, TX | Meeeecon......
 "New to the forum but the political stuff needs to go. Way too much far right conspiracy theory lunatic fringe egregious material. The topics related to barrel racing are informative and great fun to read."
Is that not what you posted on the other thread as to what is off limits on BHW?Â
Bear is right that most of your posts are political and not horse related or barrel race related.Â
And you you never posted back to my returns to your originals regarding guns and immigration.Â
You are just so in love with conservatives like Reagan, Bush and Buckley. I am so sure you do. Reagan was considered stupid and a "dumb actor" when he ran. Everyone loved Bush when they had his funeral. That was a joke of admiration by the Liberals. They hated him then....they loved Clinton. Was Clinton better than Trump? I don't think so. Trump is a dog. However, the double standard applied is off the charts. And....exactly what did Obama know about foreign policy as he was a junior Senator when elected?!  Guess "Beto" O'Rourke (in case you didn't know... he is "Robert Francis') should run in 2020. Obama rarely voted in the Senate. He did do Sequestration as Gail said.
As far as the deficit and debt....Obama said when he was running 2008...that W. was un-patriotic as he ran up the Government credit card from $5Trillion to $10Trillion. What did Obama do? I think he took it from $10Trillion to almost $20Trillion in the same time frame as Bush. I'm just sayin...I wouldn't be throwing stones about debt and deficits.Â
We as Conservatives pretty much kept our mouth shut with 8 years of Obama. We were declared "racists" and "bigots" if we disagreed with him on any sort of policy. Is that part an Autocrat? Facist? How many Executive Orders did Obama do after he condemned them by Bush? What is that? Geeeee....I guess it really is not much different now.Â
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | First of all, I want to point out something. Because of the lying bastards in most of our mainstream media, everyone has this mistaken notion burned into their brain that the deficits are correctly attributed to whoever the president is at the time. That’s just not the case. Because the media, by nature, now tends to be programmed for purposes of their partisan objectives, most people simply accept that as fact. It’s a gross distortion. Presidents have an agenda which, if adopted, effects the budget, however they don’t have some magical checkbook. They do NOT set budgets. Presidential budgets are always proposed, and always rejected.
It’s a requirement that they submit a budget.....but it’s all kabuki theater....a waste of time. CONGRESS sets the budget, NOT the president. This budget blame game is designed to pis$ off half the citizens. It’s a distraction and a game that both parties play, just like divorce attorneys bait plaintiff and defendant against one another over cheap Walmart dishes.....while the meter keeps running.
They want to distract people from focusing in on real important, albeit challenging issues like tax reform, social security, etc....
Bill Clinton had little to do with the budget surpluses of 1998-2001.
It was his willingness to accept budgets put forth by congress, which happened to be Republican in both houses, with the exception of one year (2000), where Dems briefly held a 1 seat majority, until a special election flipped that. It was the Republican congress who submitted budgets during those years.....and for those 3 years we had a budget SURPLUS. Bill Clinton wisely signed on, and the media has successfully inculcated many mindless citizens with this notion that all the credit goes to him. That’s simply a lie.
Here’s another lie: “Obama reduced the deficit by 2/3rds by the time he left office.” That’s another dam lie, even though Snopes and Politifact say it’s true. Here’s the truth: During Bush’s last year, our deficit soared to $450 billion. Of course, the Dems had control of the house and Senate from 2007-2009. Obama was elected and our deficits were as follows for the next 4 years: 2009: $1.4 TRILLION,
2010: $1.3 TRILLION, 2011: $1.3 Trillion, 2012: $1.1 Trillion.
By the end of 2016, Obama’s last year, it was “reduced” to $600 Billion.....still higher than the worst deficit under Bush.
So everyone was running around singing praises for Obama “reducing the deficit by 2/3rds”, and that was a misleading lie.
The only thing Obama reduced was happiness in this country.
The deficit gets jacked up to over $1Trillion in each of his first 4 years. A GOP majority took over the house in 2010, and the GOP held majorities in both houses after 2014. Yes it is true that the deficit was lowered by 2/3rds during Obama’s tenure, but it is equally true that the deficit soared 3-fold by the end of his first year.
That wasn’t Obama’s doing....it was the Dem controlled congress.
All that aside, the GOP hasn’t exactly been fiscally conservative either, to be clear. Trump is right when he says he wants to get us out of the Middle East. Most of the debt since 9-11 has been squandered in the Middle East, and all we have to show for it is 4000 tombstones. Only Trump has the balls to take on the military industrial complex to which I was referring earlier. | |
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| Even though we are both conservative, I have to disagree on the Middle East policies. While I can't condone nation building or being the worlds policeman, I do think it's in our best interest to maintain a presence in troubled areas to make it easier to monitor and strike back when we are attacked again. That is huge. A total pullout is a mistake, it leaves a dangerous void.
That's the world we live in now. There are no declared victories in sovereign states with enemies in uniforms. Just managed order in a depraved world of ungodly idealism and thugs.
The price of vigilance and our continued presence in these troubled areas are the sacrifices made by our military to this point. The bases overseas are our forward operating posts on the world scene, and are critical in this new terrorist world we live in. Our 4,000 losses since 9/11 is the price we paid. No one knows how badly terrorism would have expanded without our help in continued containment. It's a cynical view to say those 4,000 lives are just "tombstones". And it's certainly not something I would even mention in respect to the families who paid that price.
So, maintain a presence but stop the weekly "whack a mole" missions. Accept a decadent world but protect our own interests.
Respectfully,
Gail
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Gail, you know darn well what I meant by “4000 tombstones”.
Those 4000 tombstones represent graves of fallen heroes, and you know that’s what I meant.
We have been mired in the Middle East since Israel was granted statehood in 1947. What do we have to show for it? At what cost?
How many trillions? Who are our allies? How many times have we shed blood for countries in the ME, only to have them turn around and hate us and kill us? What is the end game? Afghanistan and Iraq were given freedom from tyranny and oppression because of us. Iraq has had 15 years and Afghanistan has had 17 years to get it right. Saudi Arabia spends over 10% of their GDP on military. This is in their back yard. They need to do more, because they are much more threatened than we are. There are a billion people in that part of the world. I think getting out sends a clarion call to the countries of the Middle East and the rest of the world that we aren’t going to get sucked into anymore conflicts the way we have in the past.
Let’s get honest here.
In 1990 we mobilized a massive military presence, including 500,000 troops, engaged in an air war over 6 weeks, and a ground war that lasted 4 days.....and in the end, the cost was amazingly low compared to what we’ve spent in the last 17 years. We drove Hussein out of Kuwait and protected Saudi Arabia from imminent invasion. They were crushed and our casualties were extremely low.
Within 6 months from the time Hussein started to invade, rape, and pillage Kuwait, we mobilized, got in, engaged, and got out.
We spend over 700 billion a year to have a military that is unimaginably swift, mobile, and lethal. What we accomplished in 1991, was masterful, and if we can’t duplicate that in 2018, something is wrong. Part of our unimaginable military expenses is the ability to be swift, mobile, and more lethal than any military in history. I’m not going to get sucked into the notion that the world will end if we don’t have an outpost of 2000 troops ensconced in a country where there are over a dozen warring factions and we don’t even know who our allies are.
Trump said he wanted to get out. He was elected to deliver on that.
He’s doing what he said he was going to do. We can engage and strike in a heartbeat. I didn’t like it at first either, but after thinking about it, I think it makes sense. Apart from Desert Storm, everything we’ve done over there since 1947 hasn’t accomplished anything.
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| my miece husband is special forces i don/t know enough but this we have been the police for years the middle has had centuries they are different they believe in the stord bring our guys home shut down the bases look at what is happening here how many illegall are sliping in thru our unprotected border we are unprotected as we police the world
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| Bear - 2018-12-23 10:15 AM Gail, you know darn well what I meant by “4000 tombstones”. Those 4000 tombstones represent graves of fallen heroes, and you know that’s what I meant. We have been mired in the Middle East since Israel was granted statehood in 1947. What do we have to show for it? At what cost? How many trillions? Who are our allies? How many times have we shed blood for countries in the ME, only to have them turn around and hate us and kill us? What is the end game? Afghanistan and Iraq were given freedom from tyranny and oppression because of us. Iraq has had 15 years and Afghanistan has had 17 years to get it right. Saudi Arabia spends over 10% of their GDP on military. This is in their back yard. They need to do more, because they are much more threatened than we are. There are a billion people in that part of the world. I think getting out sends a clarion call to the countries of the Middle East and the rest of the world that we aren’t going to get sucked into anymore conflicts the way we have in the past. Let’s get honest here. In 1990 we mobilized a massive military presence, including 500,000 troops, engaged in an air war over 6 weeks, and a ground war that lasted 4 days.....and in the end, the cost was amazingly low compared to what we’ve spent in the last 17 years. We drove Hussein out of Kuwait and protected Saudi Arabia from imminent invasion. They were crushed and our casualties were extremely low. Within 6 months from the time Hussein started to invade, rape, and pillage Kuwait, we mobilized, got in, engaged, and got out. We spend over 700 billion a year to have a military that is unimaginably swift, mobile, and lethal. What we accomplished in 1991, was masterful, and if we can’t duplicate that in 2018, something is wrong. Part of our unimaginable military expenses is the ability to be swift, mobile, and more lethal than any military in history. I’m not going to get sucked into the notion that the world will end if we don’t have an outpost of 2000 troops ensconced in a country where there are over a dozen warring factions and we don’t even know who our allies are. Trump said he wanted to get out. He was elected to deliver on that. He’s doing what he said he was going to do. We can engage and strike in a heartbeat. I didn’t like it at first either, but after thinking about it, I think it makes sense. Apart from Desert Storm, everything we’ve done over there since 1947 hasn’t accomplished anything. Yes, the only thing we have to show for it is the graves of 4000 heroes.....marked by tombstones.
I understand what you said about our 4,000 fallen, but they did not die in vain and I would never hint that they did. It's too disrespectful. Enough said. But I will have to concede, our ability to move quickly to address "flare ups" is what we do better than anyone in the world. We have the Navy and Air Force to bring the fight to someone's doorstep. Gone are the old days of conquering nations and leaving occupying forces. Its simply not needed any longer, and worse, it's dangerous in a world where your enemy dresses like the citizens and is a state policeman by day, and a Taliban by night.
One thing that NEVER should be done is telegraphing our plans to the enemy. And Trump just did it. Not by news conference, or by his cabinet, but by tweeting. Very frustrating.
With that said . . . I am out and have really appreciated this conversation with you Scott. I have to spend some time with my grandkids for the next few days!! I have one wish on my Christmas list thouhh ...a call from my son. Praying he can. The last we spoke to him was when Dylan was KIA and he called since they are teammates to share details. It will be interesting to learn his thoughts on all of this since he is one directly affected by General Mattis's resignation the most.
Merry Christmas to all serving and to all my friends here on BHW and please pray for the family of Ssgt Dylan Elchins. It will be a very rough Christmas for them.
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Location: Arkansas | Gail - 2018-12-23 12:35 PM
Bear - 2018-12-23 10:15 AM Gail, you know darn well what I meant by “4000 tombstones”. Those 4000 tombstones represent graves of fallen heroes, and you know that’s what I meant. We have been mired in the Middle East since Israel was granted statehood in 1947. What do we have to show for it? At what cost? How many trillions? Who are our allies? How many times have we shed blood for countries in the ME, only to have them turn around and hate us and kill us? What is the end game? Afghanistan and Iraq were given freedom from tyranny and oppression because of us. Iraq has had 15 years and Afghanistan has had 17 years to get it right. Saudi Arabia spends over 10% of their GDP on military. This is in their back yard. They need to do more, because they are much more threatened than we are. There are a billion people in that part of the world. I think getting out sends a clarion call to the countries of the Middle East and the rest of the world that we aren’t going to get sucked into anymore conflicts the way we have in the past. Let’s get honest here. In 1990 we mobilized a massive military presence, including 500,000 troops, engaged in an air war over 6 weeks, and a ground war that lasted 4 days.....and in the end, the cost was amazingly low compared to what we’ve spent in the last 17 years. We drove Hussein out of Kuwait and protected Saudi Arabia from imminent invasion. They were crushed and our casualties were extremely low. Within 6 months from the time Hussein started to invade, rape, and pillage Kuwait, we mobilized, got in, engaged, and got out. We spend over 700 billion a year to have a military that is unimaginably swift, mobile, and lethal. What we accomplished in 1991, was masterful, and if we can’t duplicate that in 2018, something is wrong. Part of our unimaginable military expenses is the ability to be swift, mobile, and more lethal than any military in history. I’m not going to get sucked into the notion that the world will end if we don’t have an outpost of 2000 troops ensconced in a country where there are over a dozen warring factions and we don’t even know who our allies are. Trump said he wanted to get out. He was elected to deliver on that. He’s doing what he said he was going to do. We can engage and strike in a heartbeat. I didn’t like it at first either, but after thinking about it, I think it makes sense. Apart from Desert Storm, everything we’ve done over there since 1947 hasn’t accomplished anything. Yes, the only thing we have to show for it is the graves of 4000 heroes.....marked by tombstones.
I understand what you said about our 4,000 fallen, but they did not die in vain and I would never hint that they did. It's too disrespectful. Enough said. But I will have to concede, our ability to move quickly to address "flare ups" is what we do better than anyone in the world. We have the Navy and Air Force to bring the fight to someone's doorstep. Gone are the old days of conquering nations and leaving occupying forces. Its simply not needed any longer, and worse, it's dangerous in a world where your enemy dresses like the citizens and is a state policeman by day, and a Taliban by night.
One thing that NEVER should be done is telegraphing our plans to the enemy. And Trump just did it. Not by news conference, or by his cabinet, but by tweeting. Very frustrating.
With that said . . . I am out and have really appreciated this conversation with you Scott.   I have to spend some time with my grandkids for the next few days!!  I have one wish on my Christmas list thouhh ...a call from my son. Praying he can. The last we spoke to him was when Dylan was KIA and he called since they are teammates to share details.   It will be interesting to learn his thoughts on all of this since he is one directly affected by General Mattis's resignation the most.Â
Merry Christmas to all serving and to all my friends here on BHW and please pray for the family of Ssgt Dylan Elchins. It will be a very rough Christmas for them. Â
I am not knowledgeable enough to debate or add to this discussion, but I send my prayers to your son and his teammates many times over. As well as our other servicemen and women (and their families). I also pray for our leaders. Lord know we need prayers more than ever on the home front as well as in foreign countries  | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I’m guessing the vast majority of those 2000 troops will be filled with joy at the news that their sons, daughter’s, husbands, wives, dads and moms will be coming home.
If I were the mullahs in Iran, I would tread lightly. If they so much as fart sideways, I believe Trump wouldn’t hesitate to unleash the full fury of our military might and obliterate them. If that happens, our enemies in that region will quickly learn to fear and respect the US, regardless of how much they hate us. We could turn any area in the ME into a parking lot faster than you can say, “Hope and Change”. The Gulf War cost was about $60 Billion, 2/3rds of which was paid for by coalition countries and the Gulf States, and that was 28 years ago. That’s a helluva lot cheaper than $6 Trillion. We could have built the wall and funded that infrastructure project everyone is talking about.....with $5 Trillion to spare.
As to general Mattis, I say thank you sir. As 1DSoon said, war time generals generally don’t last long in any political arena. The more I think about it, the more I respect the president for sticking by his goal of getting out of the never ending quagmire in the ME. Getting out physically doesn’t mean they are somehow immune to our wrath.......give a phone call to hell and ask Saddam Hussein and ask him what he thinks. | |
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