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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Douglas J Gordon - 2018-12-24 9:22 AM
Why in the H does our military have to announce anything before it happens????????Â
Do you think our announcement that we are bringing our troops home from Syria forthwith constitutes “telegraphing”? |
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Location: Oakdale, CA | Southtxponygirl - 2018-12-21 7:25 AM Nateracer - 2018-12-21 9:15 AM Yes I beleive that is correct.
News is reporting that Trump says they can work out their own problems and that ISIS is dead.
I'm fine with them working out their own issues...not sure ISIS is dead, but we sure haven't heard much aout them lately. After 17 years we need to be done and have all our service men and women on home soil..
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Douglas J Gordon - 2018-12-24 9:22 AM Why in the H does our military have to announce anything before it happens????????
Our "Military" didn't announce anything .... Trump DID ..... and as Gail mentioned, putting the remaining troops in serious danger !!! |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | NJJ - 2018-12-24 12:06 PM
Douglas J Gordon - 2018-12-24 9:22 AM Why in the H does our military have to announce anything before it happens????????Â
Our "Military" didn't announce anything .... Trump DID ..... and as Gail mentioned, putting the remaining troops in serious danger !!! Â
Explain how announcing that we are bringing our troops home puts our troops in danger. For one thing, as long as they are there they are in danger. Trump made the announcement and preparations for their return home began immediately.
So please explain how his announcement places them in danger.
Of all the times we have decided to bring troops home from somewhere, show me one example where they came home unannounced.
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Location: Kansas | What was the plan if you didn't announce it. Sneak 2000 troops out in the middle of the night. Here's hoping there's not a repeat performance of Iraq during the Obama adminstration where millions of dollars worth of useable military equipment was left for terrorists to take over. I saw brand new Ford crewcabs with machine guns mounted in the back. Tons of equipment and machines just abandoned.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2018-12-24 12:41 PM NJJ - 2018-12-24 12:06 PM Douglas J Gordon - 2018-12-24 9:22 AM Why in the H does our military have to announce anything before it happens???????? Our "Military" didn't announce anything .... Trump DID ..... and as Gail mentioned, putting the remaining troops in serious danger !!! Explain how announcing that we are bringing our troops home puts our troops in danger. For one thing, as long as they are there they are in danger. Trump made the announcement and preparations for their return home began immediately. So please explain how his announcement places them in danger. Of all the times we have decided to bring troops home from somewhere, show me one example where they came home unannounced.
I will refer you back to page 1 to READ Gail's explanation ..... but WHEN has it ever been acceptable to "announce" to our enemies exactly what our military is going to do ..... beyond comprehension !!!! |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | NJJ - 2018-12-24 1:30 PM
Bear - 2018-12-24 12:41 PM NJJ - 2018-12-24 12:06 PM Douglas J Gordon - 2018-12-24 9:22 AM Why in the H does our military have to announce anything before it happens???????? Our "Military" didn't announce anything .... Trump DID ..... and as Gail mentioned, putting the remaining troops in serious danger !!!  Explain how announcing that we are bringing our troops home puts our troops in danger. For one thing, as long as they are there they are in danger. Trump made the announcement and preparations for their return home began immediately. So please explain how his announcement places them in danger. Of all the times we have decided to bring troops home from somewhere, show me one example where they came home unannounced.
When have we ever failed to announce we are bringing our troops home? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Frodo - 2018-12-24 1:15 PM
What was the plan if you didn't announce it. Sneak 2000 troops out in the middle of the night. Here's hoping there's not a repeat performance of Iraq during the Obama adminstration where millions of dollars worth of useable military equipment was left for terrorists to take over. I saw brand new Ford crewcabs with machine guns mounted in the back. Tons of equipment and machines just abandoned.
I was going to point that out, but I decided to ask for explanations to her remarks. Predictably I didn’t get any..... not to my very reasonable questions, at least. |
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| NJJ - 2018-12-24 1:30 PM
Bear - 2018-12-24 12:41 PM NJJ - 2018-12-24 12:06 PM Douglas J Gordon - 2018-12-24 9:22 AM Why in the H does our military have to announce anything before it happens???????? Our "Military" didn't announce anything .... Trump DID ..... and as Gail mentioned, putting the remaining troops in serious danger !!!  Explain how announcing that we are bringing our troops home puts our troops in danger. For one thing, as long as they are there they are in danger. Trump made the announcement and preparations for their return home began immediately. So please explain how his announcement places them in danger. Of all the times we have decided to bring troops home from somewhere, show me one example where they came home unannounced.
I can't thick of any conflict where we didn't announce that we where leaving. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | jbhoot - 2018-12-24 2:09 PM NJJ - 2018-12-24 1:30 PM Bear - 2018-12-24 12:41 PM NJJ - 2018-12-24 12:06 PM Douglas J Gordon - 2018-12-24 9:22 AM Why in the H does our military have to announce anything before it happens???????? Our "Military" didn't announce anything .... Trump DID ..... and as Gail mentioned, putting the remaining troops in serious danger !!! Explain how announcing that we are bringing our troops home puts our troops in danger. For one thing, as long as they are there they are in danger. Trump made the announcement and preparations for their return home began immediately. So please explain how his announcement places them in danger. Of all the times we have decided to bring troops home from somewhere, show me one example where they came home unannounced. I can't thick of any conflict where we didn't announce that we where leaving.
Yes, we have announced that we were withdrawing troops from other conflicts .... however, we have NEVER told the enemy exactly how many we were taking out at a time and were usually vague about timelines, etc ..... to tell the ENEMY that you are cutting your forces by ONE HALF puts the remaining in more danger ..... And that is exactly what the military leaders are saying now! And I would assume that they are a little more intelligent regarding the issue. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2018-12-24 1:54 PM Frodo - 2018-12-24 1:15 PM What was the plan if you didn't announce it. Sneak 2000 troops out in the middle of the night. Here's hoping there's not a repeat performance of Iraq during the Obama adminstration where millions of dollars worth of useable military equipment was left for terrorists to take over. I saw brand new Ford crewcabs with machine guns mounted in the back. Tons of equipment and machines just abandoned. I was going to point that out, but I decided to ask for explanations to her remarks. Predictably I didn’t get any..... not to my very reasonable questions, at least.
To be clear ..... The troops in Syria were only "advisory" .... I (and Gail) were referencing the announcement of taking 7000 of the14,000 troops out of Afghanistan ..... I am not adverse to the removal of troops BUT think it is irresponsible to let our enemies know that we are cutting our troops in half while still fighting a war. |
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| NJJ - 2018-12-24 2:15 PM
jbhoot - 2018-12-24 2:09 PM NJJ - 2018-12-24 1:30 PM Bear - 2018-12-24 12:41 PM NJJ - 2018-12-24 12:06 PM Douglas J Gordon - 2018-12-24 9:22 AM Why in the H does our military have to announce anything before it happens???????? Our "Military" didn't announce anything .... Trump DID ..... and as Gail mentioned, putting the remaining troops in serious danger !!!  Explain how announcing that we are bringing our troops home puts our troops in danger. For one thing, as long as they are there they are in danger. Trump made the announcement and preparations for their return home began immediately. So please explain how his announcement places them in danger. Of all the times we have decided to bring troops home from somewhere, show me one example where they came home unannounced. I can't thick of any conflict where we didn't announce that we where leaving.
Review the history of the 17 years we have been in Afghanistan. Every President has increased and decreased troops several times all have announced deployments in and out of country. Any time troops are deployed in and out of a conflict zone they are at risk. When you say that past Presidents NEVER announced how many or when is not factual. As to military leaders and their objections now that is in direct contradiction to their own IG report on Syria and Afghanistan dated 11/5/2018. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | How we are getting out, whether it’s half of the troops followed by the other half doesn’t matter to me. I think Trump is serious about getting the hell out of the ME. In the case of Syria, he decided it was time to cut the cord. After 17 years, I agree. He’s talked about getting out of the ME for years. We have gotten so used to spending $Trillions over there, never ending battles and skirmishes, and flag-draped coffins, that his decision to stick by his word is such an anomaly amongst our politicians comes as a shock to the establishment. Actually, to be honest, I never thought I would find myself advocating what Trump has been saying, but he’s really made an excellent case.
Ronald Reagan once said, “The closest thing to eternity on earth is a government program”. He was right about that, and that also applies to our military in foreign wars. Everywhere we’ve fought, we’ve left a military base. If we are ever going to get our budget and debt under control we have to look at this. We have satellite technology that can read a newspaper from space. We have cruise missiles than can hit a camel’s as$ from 600 miles away. We have highly lethal UAVs (drones) that can be flown remotely by someone sitting in their basement in Grand Forks, ND. We have rapid deployment forces that can hit any target on earth within 24 hours.
We have stealth bombers that can strike anywhere with incredible precision. We can provide that kind of support to anyone we wish to support in the ME without risking ground troops, so those options remain.
If you want to talk about “telegraphing” military moves, then consider what Obama did when he announced we were going to bomb ISIS caravans in Syria, or ISIS strongholds two weeks in advance.....so they could prepare for it or simply leave the area. |
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| OregonBR - 2018-12-21 9:43 AM
I'm not sure ISIS can't resurrect themselves at any time. After all there are angry people born every minute there. But I think he's right about us needing to be out of there. The industries that produce military equipment, the deep state and the CIA are who wants us to be at war over there all the time. If they want it, I don't want it. The only reason I think it might work this time, is Trump is cutting the purse strings to the deep state and the CIA. Without money, they can't equip or train those people. They'd be pretty toothless without lots of money and help from the CIA. JMO
Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad. |
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Location: OH. IO | Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:33 PM
OregonBR - 2018-12-21 9:43 AM
I'm not sure ISIS can't resurrect themselves at any time. After all there are angry people born every minute there. But I think he's right about us needing to be out of there. The industries that produce military equipment, the deep state and the CIA are who wants us to be at war over there all the time. If they want it, I don't want it. The only reason I think it might work this time, is Trump is cutting the purse strings to the deep state and the CIA. Without money, they can't equip or train those people. They'd be pretty toothless without lots of money and help from the CIA. JMO
Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad.
 why do you think you are the only one that presents facts,and nothing anyone else says is true? |
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| Frodo - 2018-12-24 1:15 PM
What was the plan if you didn't announce it. Sneak 2000 troops out in the middle of the night. Here's hoping there's not a repeat performance of Iraq during the Obama adminstration where millions of dollars worth of useable military equipment was left for terrorists to take over. I saw brand new Ford crewcabs with machine guns mounted in the back. Tons of equipment and machines just abandoned.
Your gullibility, Frodo, never ceases to amaze me. |
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| jake16 - 2018-12-24 7:39 PM
Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:33 PM
OregonBR - 2018-12-21 9:43 AM
I'm not sure ISIS can't resurrect themselves at any time. After all there are angry people born every minute there. But I think he's right about us needing to be out of there. The industries that produce military equipment, the deep state and the CIA are who wants us to be at war over there all the time. If they want it, I don't want it. The only reason I think it might work this time, is Trump is cutting the purse strings to the deep state and the CIA. Without money, they can't equip or train those people. They'd be pretty toothless without lots of money and help from the CIA. JMO
Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad. why do you think you are the only one that presents facts,and nothing anyone else says is true?
Of course not. My question was: where you get your “facts”? |
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| Mecon - 2018-12-24 7:49 PM
jake16 - 2018-12-24 7:39 PM
Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:33 PM
OregonBR - 2018-12-21 9:43 AM
I'm not sure ISIS can't resurrect themselves at any time. After all there are angry people born every minute there. But I think he's right about us needing to be out of there. The industries that produce military equipment, the deep state and the CIA are who wants us to be at war over there all the time. If they want it, I don't want it. The only reason I think it might work this time, is Trump is cutting the purse strings to the deep state and the CIA. Without money, they can't equip or train those people. They'd be pretty toothless without lots of money and help from the CIA. JMO
Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad. why do you think you are the only one that presents facts,and nothing anyone else says is true?
Of course not. My question was: where you get your “facts”?
Further, it is far more likely that Trump’s decision to abruptly pull out of Syria (against the advice of a superbly qualified, 4 decades of service to our country, (vs bone spur cowardice) military mind and strategist as exemplified by Mattis) was at the request of Putin. Our enemy. |
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| Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:14 PM
Mecon - 2018-12-24 7:49 PM
jake16 - 2018-12-24 7:39 PM
Mecon - 2018-12-24 8:33 PM
OregonBR - 2018-12-21 9:43 AM
I'm not sure ISIS can't resurrect themselves at any time. After all there are angry people born every minute there. But I think he's right about us needing to be out of there. The industries that produce military equipment, the deep state and the CIA are who wants us to be at war over there all the time. If they want it, I don't want it. The only reason I think it might work this time, is Trump is cutting the purse strings to the deep state and the CIA. Without money, they can't equip or train those people. They'd be pretty toothless without lots of money and help from the CIA. JMO
Where in the world do you get your information!!! Deep State? This is truly Fantasyland. Which is, of course, why rational, fact based argument cannot assail these mythic projections....sad. why do you think you are the only one that presents facts,and nothing anyone else says is true?
Of course not. My question was: where you get your “facts”?
Further, it is far more likely that Trump’s decision to abruptly pull out of Syria (against the advice of a superbly qualified, 4 decades of service to our country, (vs bone spur cowardice ) military mind and strategist as exemplified by Mattis ) was at the request of Putin. Our enemy.
LOL Now that's funny. Thanks for the comic relief. |
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