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I love the idea of a wall, but building a wall without fixing the immigration system is incomplete. They must do both, at the same time. Ag needs imigrants, America needs imigrants, but we need good immigrants. The Dems say the wall is immoral, but allowing these "mexicans" to take on tremendous risk and cost just for a chance to get accross the boarder is immoral. It cost them about $9,000/ person to have the coyotes get them accross the boarder, IF they live through the process. The system is broken and the POL's must fix it.
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Location: Kansas | WetSaddleBlankets - 2019-01-10 5:07 AM Whiteboy - 2019-01-09 2:06 PM I love the idea of a wall, but building a wall without fixing the immigration system is incomplete. They must do both, at the same time. Ag needs imigrants, America needs imigrants, but we need good immigrants. The Dems say the wall is immoral, but allowing these "mexicans" to take on tremendous risk and cost just for a chance to get accross the boarder is immoral. It cost them about $9,000/ person to have the coyotes get them accross the boarder, IF they live through the process. The system is broken and the POL's must fix it. We need immigrants... But we need Legal immigrants not illegal immigrants.
A new caravan is forming in Central American. I just saw the flyer on FOX (not that I could read it as it's in Hispanic). Evidently it tells them where to gather and take it from there. This is a great plan for any enemy of the U.S. (or Dems) as it's working in Europe. Fill a country with useless and dangerous immigrants and bury the host country in debt and crime. As if we weren't already there. Mexico says they're going to try to stop this caravan at their Southern border but we all know how that worked out with the last one. | |
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Location: Weatherford, TX | Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:54 PM Bear - 2019-01-09 8:48 PM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:40 PM jd&ez - 2019-01-09 7:43 PM If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn. I think this is a funny post, but really are you serious?? I have never ever seen a mexican in Mexico carry around a 30 foot ladder,, this is a new one, ha ha ha ha.. I'll have to tell my inlaws about this one if I can remember the next time I see them, thanks for the funny post, I needed to laugh a little, ha ha ha .. I can just picture it now...caravans from Central America hauling 30 foot ladders across Mexico.
Yes...you live on the Boarder and know something about the issue. I think, if I read the profile correctly, jd&ez lives in Kentucky. So, I am so sure he knows a lot about living on the Boarder and dealing with all the crap that comes with it. I just love it when people live in northern states and discuss the 'morality' of a wall. It is just too funny...and actually kind of sad as they know nothing of what they are speaking of. | |
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Location: Ky | Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:58 PM Bear - 2019-01-09 8:48 PM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:40 PM jd&ez - 2019-01-09 7:43 PM If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn. I think this is a funny post, but really are you serious?? I have never ever seen a mexican in Mexico carry around a 30 foot ladder,, this is a new one, ha ha ha ha.. I'll have to tell my inlaws about this one if I can remember the next time I see them, thanks for the funny post, I needed to laugh a little, ha ha ha .. I can just picture it now...caravans from Central America hauling 30 foot ladders across Mexico. 
The backhoes are for the tunnels.
Do you not believe they will tunnel under the wall from Mexico?
Of course they won't. Trump and Faux News says they won't. Just like they will pay for the wall in the first place.
That's the truly funny stuff in all of this.
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Location: Kansas | jd&ez - 2019-01-10 6:19 AM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:58 PM Bear - 2019-01-09 8:48 PM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:40 PM jd&ez - 2019-01-09 7:43 PM If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn. I think this is a funny post, but really are you serious?? I have never ever seen a mexican in Mexico carry around a 30 foot ladder,, this is a new one, ha ha ha ha.. I'll have to tell my inlaws about this one if I can remember the next time I see them, thanks for the funny post, I needed to laugh a little, ha ha ha .. I can just picture it now...caravans from Central America hauling 30 foot ladders across Mexico.
Do you not believe they will tunnel under the wall from Mexico?
Of course they won't. Trump and Faux News says they won't. Just like they will pay for the wall in the first place.
That's the truly funny stuff in all of this.
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Location: Ky | Bear - 2019-01-09 8:34 PM jd&ez - 2019-01-09 7:43 PM If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn. I love fresh meat, especially when it is flavored with your brand of liberal logic, jd&ez. If tall ladders was the answer to walls, please explain to me why more and more countries are putting up walls and barriers. Nobody is claiming it will stop all illegals from entering, whether it’s via tunnels, ladders, or hang gliders. People like you, jd&ez, and other critics of the border wall are more uninformed than the president they dispute if they believe Trump’s proposal is inconsistent with international norms. Answer me this......why have so many Democrats voted for walls and barriers in the past? Hmmmm? Every year, more countries resort to walls after more liberal policies fail. Look it up. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trumps-border-wall-is-standard-pr...You don't know anything about me. You just start with the name calling as usual because you have nothing else.
I would bet than I'm more conserative than you are. Just because I don't get my idea from Faux news does not mean that you have a clue.
You want to make jokes about them not carying around ladders. Well no shat! But to think that the smugglers won't have ladders at the ready is incredulously naive. Buit if Faux News don't say it, it ain't happening.
And while most illegal immigration doesn't come border crossing, it comes from overstaying visas, I'm not opposed to the wall. We waste far money that the wall's cost as it is. So why not at least get something from wasted money? It could be like a modern day WPA. Put americans to work building the wall. Buy american made materials and crwate those jobs.
Trump will probably use illegals for construction and use foreign materials but that won't matter to the Faux News lemmings.
As for the principal of wanting a wall it's all about politics. But Trump won the election so congress should fund what he wants and what he promised. That's the perks of winning. As long as the president is not proposing something illegal or immoral then he should get it. The people spoke when they elected him. I'm that way with either party.
Same thing on judicial nominees. As long as something doesn't come up in the vetting process that would disqualify them the senate should approve the President's choice. That again is a perk of winning. People should take into consideration what kind of nominees that candidate would put forth if given the chance. If the people fail to do that and then vote for them anyway then shame on them.
I don't like the shape he is molding of the SC but it's his right. I knew this is what he would do and I would think most voters knew it too. He won! We have to live with that.
The posturing from both sides over this wall is ridiculous. Of course Mexico was never going to pay for it. Anyone with even half a brain had to know that.
So I say STFU and let him have his wall. Hopefully we get some good out of it. Curbing illegal immigration won't be one of those things. Edited by jd&ez 2019-01-10 6:46 AM
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Location: southeast Texas | jd&ez - 2019-01-10 6:44 AM Bear - 2019-01-09 8:34 PM jd&ez - 2019-01-09 7:43 PM If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn. I love fresh meat, especially when it is flavored with your brand of liberal logic, jd&ez. If tall ladders was the answer to walls, please explain to me why more and more countries are putting up walls and barriers. Nobody is claiming it will stop all illegals from entering, whether it’s via tunnels, ladders, or hang gliders. People like you, jd&ez, and other critics of the border wall are more uninformed than the president they dispute if they believe Trump’s proposal is inconsistent with international norms. Answer me this......why have so many Democrats voted for walls and barriers in the past? Hmmmm? Every year, more countries resort to walls after more liberal policies fail. Look it up. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trumps-border-wall-is-standard-pr...You don't know anything about me. You just start with the name calling as usual because you have nothing else.
I would bet than I'm more conserative than you are. Just because I don't get my idea from Faux news does not mean that you have a clue.
You want to make jokes about them not carying around ladders. Well no shat! But to think that the smugglers won't have ladders at the ready is incredulously naive. Buit if Faux News don't say it, it ain't happening.
And while most illegal immigration doesn't come border crossing, it comes from overstaying visas, I'm not opposed to the wall. We waste far money that the wall's cost as it is. So why not at least get something from wasted money? It could be like a modern day WPA. Put americans to work building the wall. Buy american made materials and crwate those jobs.
Trump will probably use illegals for construction and use foreign materials but that won't matter to the Faux News lemmings.
As for the principal of wanting a wall it's all about politics. But Trump won the election so congress should fund what he wants and what he promised. That's the perks of winning. As long as the president is not proposing something illegal or immoral then he should get it. The people spoke when they elected him. I'm that way with either party.
Same thing on judicial nominees. As long as something doesn't come up in the vetting process that would disqualify them the senate should approve the President's choice. That again is a perk of winning. People should take into consideration what kind of nominees that candidate would put forth if given the chance. If the people fail to do that and then vote for them anyway then shame on them.
I don't like the shape he is molding of the SC but it's his right. I knew this is what he would do and I would think most voters knew it too. He won! We have to live with that.
The posturing from both sides over this wall is ridiculous. Of course Mexico was never going to pay for it. Anyone with even half a brain had to know that.
So I say STFU and let him have his wall. Hopefully we get some good out of it. Curbing illegal immigration won't be one of those things.
Small holes can be managed, but titanic type holes, well you know the history on that one. Edited by roxieannie 2019-01-10 7:21 AM
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Location: Weatherford, TX | jd&ez - 2019-01-10 6:44 AM Bear - 2019-01-09 8:34 PM jd&ez - 2019-01-09 7:43 PM If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn. I love fresh meat, especially when it is flavored with your brand of liberal logic, jd&ez. If tall ladders was the answer to walls, please explain to me why more and more countries are putting up walls and barriers. Nobody is claiming it will stop all illegals from entering, whether it’s via tunnels, ladders, or hang gliders. People like you, jd&ez, and other critics of the border wall are more uninformed than the president they dispute if they believe Trump’s proposal is inconsistent with international norms. Answer me this......why have so many Democrats voted for walls and barriers in the past? Hmmmm? Every year, more countries resort to walls after more liberal policies fail. Look it up. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trumps-border-wall-is-standard-pr...You don't know anything about me. You just start with the name calling as usual because you have nothing else.
I would bet than I'm more conserative than you are. Just because I don't get my idea from Faux news does not mean that you have a clue.
You want to make jokes about them not carying around ladders. Well no shat! But to think that the smugglers won't have ladders at the ready is incredulously naive. Buit if Faux News don't say it, it ain't happening.
And while most illegal immigration doesn't come border crossing, it comes from overstaying visas, I'm not opposed to the wall. We waste far money that the wall's cost as it is. So why not at least get something from wasted money? It could be like a modern day WPA. Put americans to work building the wall. Buy american made materials and crwate those jobs.
Trump will probably use illegals for construction and use foreign materials but that won't matter to the Faux News lemmings.
As for the principal of wanting a wall it's all about politics. But Trump won the election so congress should fund what he wants and what he promised. That's the perks of winning. As long as the president is not proposing something illegal or immoral then he should get it. The people spoke when they elected him. I'm that way with either party.
Same thing on judicial nominees. As long as something doesn't come up in the vetting process that would disqualify them the senate should approve the President's choice. That again is a perk of winning. People should take into consideration what kind of nominees that candidate would put forth if given the chance. If the people fail to do that and then vote for them anyway then shame on them.
I don't like the shape he is molding of the SC but it's his right. I knew this is what he would do and I would think most voters knew it too. He won! We have to live with that.
The posturing from both sides over this wall is ridiculous. Of course Mexico was never going to pay for it. Anyone with even half a brain had to know that.
So I say STFU and let him have his wall. Hopefully we get some good out of it. Curbing illegal immigration won't be one of those things.
However, just stop with the repetitive ''faux' news comments. I am not a 'toothless' or 'deplorable' Trump supporter. The other MSNBC, CNN and the networks aren't? Really? I watch the other many networks too and DVR them, much to the bewilderedment of my husband. I watch and tape 'Morning Joe' for heavens sake! Three hours of Trump bashing there on any subject. But, I listen. I like to be informed on all issues/opinions. Do YOU do that? The crap this President has taken is off the charts. We stood by under 8 years of actual policy crap from Obama and didn't say much...because if you did, you were declared 'racist' and a 'bigot'. Really big argument there. Obama was half white too. I totally disagreed with his actual policy and the way this country should go. This crap of 'identity' politics has to go. The 'division' that they blame on Trump, started a while ago. Nothing was said about it.
Lets just face it...Obama wanted a wall, Bill and Hillary did, Schumer and Pelosi did too back as early as 2014/2015. Now that this Preisdent does, they don't. It is political...big time. Anything Trump does, they oppose. That is their only platform.
Do you like open boarders or 'not the US, but North America' as Pelosi has said? Or, maybe you like Alexandra from the Bronx. She is the future of the Democratic Party. Keep going that way and we will end up like Venezuela. I do not want that. They (Mexicans or OTMs or caravans) will not have 30ft ladders. if you lived down here, you might understand some of what you speak of. Stay safe in KY...until it might be 'at a theater near you'. Maybe then, when it affects you, you might have some understanding and say something of use. Edited by Gator Bug 2019-01-10 9:45 AM
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Location: Weatherford, TX | JD&EZ...
The more I thought about it... You just might be right.
Maybe we should be just 'MORALLY' right as Alexandra from the Bronx said (I hope you saw 60 Minutes this week)....Let's just let ANY PERSON in from ANY country, no questions asked. If ILLEGALS are okay, then just open the boarders to anyone. Why discriminate and just let Mexicans and OTMs in inlegally or undocumented? Why should just Mexico and OTMs have 'special privileges' to our Boarder? Because they are in North America?
Nah, then if we did that, then there would be 'discrimination' against other countries. We can go with the 'open boarder' theory and...Let's just let in ALL illegals in from Syria, Iran, Africa, etc.. Unchecked! Why should Mexico and all the other OTMs get all the fun and benefits; just because they are North American?! Nah....Let's EVERYONE in..unchecked. Isn't that the compassionate thing to do?!
I really truly hope you get my sarcasm.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jd&ez - 2019-01-10 6:44 AM
Bear - 2019-01-09 8:34 PM jd&ez - 2019-01-09 7:43 PM If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn. I love fresh meat, especially when it is flavored with your brand of liberal logic, jd&ez. If tall ladders was the answer to walls, please explain to me why more and more countries are putting up walls and barriers. Nobody is claiming it will stop all illegals from entering, whether it’s via tunnels, ladders, or hang gliders. People like you, jd&ez, and other critics of the border wall are more uninformed than the president they dispute if they believe Trump’s proposal is inconsistent with international norms. Answer me this......why have so many Democrats voted for walls and barriers in the past? Hmmmm? Every year, more countries resort to walls after more liberal policies fail. Look it up. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trumps-border-wall-is-standard-pr...You don't know anything about me. You just start with the name calling as usual because you have nothing else.
I would bet than I'm more conserative than you are. Just because I don't get my idea from Faux news does not mean that you have a clue.
You want to make jokes about them not carying around ladders. Well no shat! But to think that the smugglers won't have ladders at the ready is incredulously naive. Buit if Faux News don't say it, it ain't happening.
And while most illegal immigration doesn't come border crossing, it comes from overstaying visas, I'm not opposed to the wall. We waste far money that the wall's cost as it is. So why not at least get something from wasted money? It could be like a modern day WPA. Put americans to work building the wall. Buy american made materials and crwate those jobs.
Trump will probably use illegals for construction and use foreign materials but that won't matter to the Faux News lemmings.
As for the principal of wanting a wall it's all about politics. But Trump won the election so congress should fund what he wants and what he promised. That's the perks of winning. As long as the president is not proposing something illegal or immoral then he should get it. The people spoke when they elected him. I'm that way with either party.
Same thing on judicial nominees. As long as something doesn't come up in the vetting process that would disqualify them the senate should approve the President's choice. That again is a perk of winning. People should take into consideration what kind of nominees that candidate would put forth if given the chance. If the people fail to do that and then vote for them anyway then shame on them.
I don't like the shape he is molding of the SC but it's his right. I knew this is what he would do and I would think most voters knew it too. He won! We have to live with that.
The posturing from both sides over this wall is ridiculous. Of course Mexico was never going to pay for it. Anyone with even half a brain had to know that.
So I say STFU and let him have his wall. Hopefully we get some good out of it. Curbing illegal immigration won't be one of those things.
Jd&ez, I swear you just throw random sh!t out there without thinking.
First of all, big fella, where did I call you a name? Unless labeling you a “liberal” is a perjorative. I should think you would be proud to be called a liberal, since you have called yourself a “Yellow Dog Democrat” for as long as I’ve been on this board. A “Yellow Dog Democrat” is one who votes Democrat across the board, regardless of their stances or agenda. Their loyalty is entirely to the party, not principle. There is no such thing as a “conservative Democrat” anymore. There are no conservative Democrats in Congress anymore. Those days died a long time ago. It could be you are one of those old southern Democrats.....like the ones who were pro-segregationists back in the 60s. It’s hilarious for you to assume that you are more conservative than me.
You say Trump’s wanting a wall is not based on principle, rather, it’s all about politics.
I say the op position to the wall is purely politically motivated. The Democrats are the ones who blew with the winds of political expediency. They are the ones who changed.
They are the ones who were once in favor of Trump’s immigration policies, including walls/barriers. All Trump is doing is carrying through with his agenda and the promises which got him elected. He’s delivering more than any president in history, item by item.
I also profoundly disagree with your view that presidents ought to be granted whatever they want by congress. That would be more totalitarian, but I suppose that’s more to your liking. The President should fight for his agenda, but CONGRESS is the legislative branch. Your claim that they should give him what he wants is profoundly ridiculous.
And yes.....one way or another, Mexico will pay for the wall. I’m not going to spoon feed your brain cell anymore....you can figure that out. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | jd&ez - 2019-01-10 6:19 AM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:58 PM Bear - 2019-01-09 8:48 PM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:40 PM jd&ez - 2019-01-09 7:43 PM If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn. I think this is a funny post, but really are you serious?? I have never ever seen a mexican in Mexico carry around a 30 foot ladder,, this is a new one, ha ha ha ha.. I'll have to tell my inlaws about this one if I can remember the next time I see them, thanks for the funny post, I needed to laugh a little, ha ha ha .. I can just picture it now...caravans from Central America hauling 30 foot ladders across Mexico.
Do you not believe they will tunnel under the wall from Mexico?
Of course they won't. Trump and Faux News says they won't. Just like they will pay for the wall in the first place.
That's the truly funny stuff in all of this.
Theres tunnels dug all the time along the mexican border walls, but they dont use backhoes..Goodness where do you get your information? LOL, now we got illegals carrying around 30 foot ladders and driving their backhoes up to the walls to either dig their way or climb their way into the US..What about the ones that cross the river, what do you suggest they use, they can float the river and some places in the river they can wade across, but since you know so much what should they be using to cross the river?? | |
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Location: Weatherford, TX | Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-10 10:15 AM jd&ez - 2019-01-10 6:19 AM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:58 PM Bear - 2019-01-09 8:48 PM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:40 PM jd&ez - 2019-01-09 7:43 PM If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn. I think this is a funny post, but really are you serious?? I have never ever seen a mexican in Mexico carry around a 30 foot ladder,, this is a new one, ha ha ha ha.. I'll have to tell my inlaws about this one if I can remember the next time I see them, thanks for the funny post, I needed to laugh a little, ha ha ha .. I can just picture it now...caravans from Central America hauling 30 foot ladders across Mexico.
Do you not believe they will tunnel under the wall from Mexico?
Of course they won't. Trump and Faux News says they won't. Just like they will pay for the wall in the first place.
That's the truly funny stuff in all of this.
JD&EZ.....Exactly. Since/If you don't want to answer my two posts...Yes... what exactly do YOU suggest...if they are going to use 30ft ladders and backhoes to get through a Wall? Really?! What is your suggestion to the problem or do you think it is a 'manufactured crisis'?!
Again, do you think the Wall is 'immoral'? Why not just let ANYONE come in from ANY country, why just let Mexicans and other 'Americans' come in from the South? That is not fair and very discriminate! What is 'fair share' to you? Let anyone in?!
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Gator Bug - 2019-01-10 10:26 AM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-10 10:15 AM jd&ez - 2019-01-10 6:19 AM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:58 PM Bear - 2019-01-09 8:48 PM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:40 PM jd&ez - 2019-01-09 7:43 PM If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn. I think this is a funny post, but really are you serious?? I have never ever seen a mexican in Mexico carry around a 30 foot ladder,, this is a new one, ha ha ha ha.. I'll have to tell my inlaws about this one if I can remember the next time I see them, thanks for the funny post, I needed to laugh a little, ha ha ha .. I can just picture it now...caravans from Central America hauling 30 foot ladders across Mexico.
Do you not believe they will tunnel under the wall from Mexico?
Of course they won't. Trump and Faux News says they won't. Just like they will pay for the wall in the first place.
That's the truly funny stuff in all of this.
JD&EZ.....Exactly. Since/If you don't want to answer my two posts...Yes... what exactly do YOU suggest if they are going to use 30ft ladders and backhoes to get through a Wall? Really?! What is your suggestion to the problem or do you think it is 'manufactured crisis'?!
Having a completed wall will not keep them all out, they will always find a way to get over or under but its a start to keeping our border safe and secure.. And slow the flow of illegals down along with the drug cartels..Theres already places with walls/barrers up just got to finished it out. | |
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Location: Weatherford, TX | Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-10 10:40 AM Gator Bug - 2019-01-10 10:26 AM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-10 10:15 AM jd&ez - 2019-01-10 6:19 AM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:58 PM Bear - 2019-01-09 8:48 PM Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 8:40 PM jd&ez - 2019-01-09 7:43 PM If we build a 30 ft high wall that the Mexicans pay for, will we then also outlaw 30 ft ladders?
And can we outlaw 30 ft ladders in Mexico too?
How about backhoes? Will they be outlawed?
As for the premise of this thread, those walls at homes are manageable. They are not 100's of miles long. Of course, don't let simple facts get in the way of a good yarn. I think this is a funny post, but really are you serious?? I have never ever seen a mexican in Mexico carry around a 30 foot ladder,, this is a new one, ha ha ha ha.. I'll have to tell my inlaws about this one if I can remember the next time I see them, thanks for the funny post, I needed to laugh a little, ha ha ha .. I can just picture it now...caravans from Central America hauling 30 foot ladders across Mexico.
Do you not believe they will tunnel under the wall from Mexico?
Of course they won't. Trump and Faux News says they won't. Just like they will pay for the wall in the first place.
That's the truly funny stuff in all of this.
JD&EZ.....Exactly. Since/If you don't want to answer my two posts...Yes... what exactly do YOU suggest if they are going to use 30ft ladders and backhoes to get through a Wall? Really?! What is your suggestion to the problem or do you think it is 'manufactured crisis'?!
Just go ahead and actually read about/ask Israel...or MAYBE just...ask our Southern Boarder Control Agents.
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Location: Southeastern Idaho | When I was 22 I was visiting a friend in Mesa Arizona, 1993. Leaving his home at about 10:00 pm(I had my little sister with me as well), we were T-Boned by a drunk illegal at a major intersection. 2 great people stopped, one to make sure we got help and the other followed the person that hit us to his home and called the cops. Long story short, the person that hit us was illegal...did not have insurance...so my family was on the hook for a hospital visit as well as a totaled car. I am ALL for immigration...but you better come in through a door and become a contributing citizen of the best nation on the planet. If the boarder patrol wants fencing...give them fencing...if they want technology..give them technology. This problem has been going on far too long and we need to get it fixed now.
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Location: OH | The people that feel the wall will not work---why did you not speak up when Obama funded it ???? Because the media did not tell you to then---such puppets.It is hilarious and pitiful all at the same time. | |
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How Congress Prevented Border Fence Law's Implementation
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Border: Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, pointed to a 2006 law requiring 700 miles of double-layer border fencing. Unfortunately, in 2007 another Texas Republican helped the Democrat Congress change that.
Presidential candidate Ted Cruz told Fox's Sean Hannity, "Existing federal law is quite robust" on border security, and "There should be 700 miles of double-layer fencing built along our southern border."
He added: "The Obama administration has about 30 miles built. If I am elected president, we will build it. What is missing is the presidential will to get it done."
Americans like to think that when their elected representatives pass a law, it's a law. If only.
It's true that in 2006, the Republican-controlled House and a large bipartisan majority in the Senate passed, and President Bush signed, the Secure Fence Act, requiring 700 additional miles of double chain-link and barbed-wire fences with lights and camera poles.
But in 2007, the Homeland Security Department complained of being, er, fenced in, arguing that different types of terrain required different barriers.
So Cruz's predecessor, Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, authored an amendment that DHS would not be required "to install fencing . .. if the Secretary determines that the use or placement of such resources is not the most appropriate means to achieve and maintain operational control over the international border at such location."
The Democrat-controlled Congress passed it.
In 2011, addressing supporters in El Paso, President Obama jeered that Republicans "wanted a fence. Well, the fence is now basically complete." Audience members, as the official WhiteHouse.gov transcript shows, shouted "Tear it down!" and "They're racist!"
"Maybe they'll need a moat," the president added. "Maybe they want alligators in the moat. They'll never be satisfied."
What the president did in that speech was, put simply, to lie — claiming to have built the "fence" that Republicans enacted into law, without noting that he and his fellow Democrats in Congress changed it to require much less effective fencing.
Most of the fencing that Obama claims "is now basically complete" consists of vehicle barriers that people can easily hop over, or single-layer fences.
Cruz is absolutely right that what's missing is presidential will. Under the amended law, the next chief executive could make 700 miles of double-layer fencing a priority — and tell DHS to shut up and build it."
When there is no will to follow through even a bill passed by congress gets nowhere. ETA: On more research I found the bill was never funded. Just like congress to pass something then never fund it.
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/congress-prevented-bor...
"Democrats in Congress have blocked funding, arguing the barrier is too costly and a step away from their stated goal of “comprehensive immigration reform,” a code-phrase for proposed legislation that typically includes de facto amnesty for the millions of illegal immigrants already in the United States."
"Hunter charged the Obama administration was lying in claiming that border infrastructure needs had been met, arguing that less than 40 miles of double-layered fence had been built along the Mexican border in the eight years that had gone by since the Secure Fence Act had been passed."
Read more at
https://www.wnd.com/2016/11/1-main-reason-u-s-border-wall-hasnt-been...
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Location: SW New Mexico | I live very close to the southern border in the state of New Mexico. I can tell you from personal experience and first-hand knowledge from friends of mine who are border patrol agents that are in the trenches working this mess the media is lying. This is not a manufactured crisis... This is not the president's imagination! This is real. I want everyone to know that we in the NM cattle growers..have extended an invitation to Nancy Pelosi to please come and visit first hand in the rural southern area of New Mexico south of Animas.. SW of Lordsburg... This area is a freeway for illegal aliens right now. Because there is no wall! People keep saying.. especially liberals ...on their talking points... Walls don't work... Well I'm here to tell you that where there is walls... they don't have this unchecked flow of illegal aliens...
They do not have this kind of traffic coming into our country! But where we live there's a single strand of barbed wire as the border! Is very rural. Is a remote beautiful area used to be very quiet. The traffic is horrendous... There's been thousands crossing here. Our hospital in Grant County has busloads of illegal aliens trucked up daily with mystery diseases and all kinds of things were our own citizens have to be put to the side so that these people have priority. This is wrong. I have a friend who is very very sick cost her $300 for a couple hours in the ER. These people just come in and get priority and leave they don't worry about the bill. This is all so wrong. I'm going to tell you another horror story. The border patrol agents by Lordsburg Have to take care of these illegals. The illegals don't like what they're being fed..so they throw the food back in the agents faces. It cost taxpayers$95.000 just in the first month to feed them.. They have no idea of sanitation so they s*it on the floor. They throw dirty diapers on the ground. They walk around with their flags around them. They have no intention of assimilating into our culture at all.
They're here for the stuff they were promised. A lot of them are men.
The kids that died ...one was already sick ..his father did refuse treatment for his son and his son died. The other had sepsis..Why aren't the parents held accountable. Because they're illegal.
It's a real mess here and I challenge the politicians to come down here but they're not going to... in their thousand dollar suits and their $600 shoes ...they're not going to come to the remote areas of New Mexico. They go to Santa Teresa... Or to El Paso... Where there is is a wall ...they work well there..
Our BP agents are driving these illegals back and forth over an hour each way to the hospital or to wherever they need to go they turned into Uber drivers for these people... And they have to do this because that's what they're told to do and they're doing it all for no pay right now because of the the government shutdown. The families of these border patrol agents are not crying about Trump.... they blame it entirely on the Democrats specifically Pelosi and Schumer... for holding Americans hostage over this subject that they once supported up until 2015 they were very vocal about having a wall ..
Rant over
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