No they both insane!

I'll skip any "personal attacks" and just zero in on your premises.  That works much better than accusing you of writing before turning on the switch to your brain:

1.) Bill Clinton did not "balance the budget".  Congress submits the budget.  For the last 6 years of Clinton's administration, congress was was a Republican majority.  To his credit, however, Clinton tacked to the center and had the wisdom to recognize the Republican led majority had it right.  He signed their budget, and so people like you can give him credit.  That is a falsehood.  Also, much of that budget was due to the dotcom boom, which we all remember well.  That boom led to increased tax revenues to the fed.  My point is, be honest. Also, just to show my objectivity, the notion of Republicans being "fiscal conservatives" has since changed.  That term is an anachronism.  There is no such thing as fiscal conservatism in today's Washington DC, for all intents and purposes.  Spending is a powerful tool to maintain power.  Both parties suffer from this affliction.

2.) Obama came into office at the height of the recession.  There was only one direction to go.....that was UP.  We have never failed to recover from a recession/depression. Accordingly, we experienced a very slow, gradual recovery under Obama's administration.  Again, for 6 of Obama's years, Congress was a Republican majority.

3.) So you think SS was a sweet deal?  Maybe in 1935, but not anymore. Practically nobody can even come close to living on a paltry $1400-2500 a month.  The rate of return is abysmal.  If a person earns an average income for 45 years and invests 12.4% of that in the S&P 500 over those 45 years, they will easily be worth $1.5 million, at age 65.  They would OWN that nest egg.  When they die, what's left goes wherever they want.  

3.) Same thing for Medicare.  It's not a good deal.  People set aside 2.9% of what they earn throughout their lives.  An alternative, privately owned fund would easily provide them with $400,000 by the time they retire for healthcare. You can buy **** good healthcare for that kind of money.  As it is, today's retirees typically wind up having to purchase various degrees of "supplemental" coverage for several hundred a month.  

Your turn....

What I can guarantee Democrats out there is:  Be careful what you wish for.  This morning Joe Biden used the word "mandate" reflecting on none other than systemic racism and climate change.  THAT'S his priority?  The squad is hollering to defund the military by 10%.  Ilhan Omar the Muslim is ecstatic that Democrats can now push their progressive agenda, meaning socialism.  Do you really want to share your paycheck with her relatives from Somalia.  I don't.

Big Tech.....Candace Owens posted on Twitter assurance from a doctor that Covid-19 numbers were being miscalculated.  Her message was deleted by the Twitter Gods.  As soon as I can figure out how to do it, my Facebook account will be history.  You all should do the same.  

I got rid of my facebook account yesterday.

I think you are on to something with the Rural vs City statement.  The rural people live one kind of life while the city is living a completely different life.  They think that the grocery store produces the milk and meat. LOL

bear

 i am on medicare  140 a month  i do not buy suppement ins  my medical supplies are to dam high  we are over charged a sp cath should not cost 9.00

i spend 129.00 every 3 months on supplies but i am so heathy i got s stone removed last  year  cost 1400,00 my part  i get 1500 a month.  no i could not live on that

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JD EZ & Mecon....not even sure if Ihave your names right. Anyhoo you are just dreadful. So over all your lefty bull****. You nut jobs are not even worthy of an intelligent conversation.

Excellent points.  I missed this, but we made similar comments.  
The reason why our national debt is skyrocketing is because career politicians can only survive by pandering to various groups at taxpayer's expense. Republicans and Democrats are indistinguishable in that respect. In fact, for similar reasons, namely career viability, we can't solve healthcare issues, and come up with improvements to Medicare and social security.  The mere mention of reforms in either of these areas is political suicide.  That's why I don't belong to a political party.   Every two years I'm stuck with the least ugly option for my prom date....but they are both ugly.  At least with the Republican date, I can manage a kiss on the cheek.  I'd only go with the Democrat date if I can pull her in my horse trailer and don't have to hold her hand.  So far, most "Social Security reforms" have consisted on reducing the benefit, excluding people, raising the taxable ceiling, and raising the retirement age.  The majority of millennials are resigned to social security either paying out an increasingly meaningless stipend, or not even existing by the time they retire.

That's a sh!tty reward for allowing the government to confiscate 12.4% of everything you earn, up to about $130K or whatever it is these days. Add another 3% to that if you include Medicare.  People have been programmed to think these are sweet deals, and they aren't.  It would take a couple decades to transition over to a privatized system, but the mere mention of "privatization" to a Democrat is like sunrise to a vampire.  With Social Security, you can wind up putting aside $200-300K over your lifetime.  You can fully retire with "full benefits" at 66.5.  If you die at 70, with no dependents, the government is off the hook, and your estate get's jack.  If you own your own retirement nest egg, you can actually live at least as well as you did when you were working....and designate what's left when you die wherever you want.  One basic fundamental people are taught is to invest wisely where your money actually works for you.  Your money does very little, if anything in SS.  
Now I'm not saying the basic rules regarding access to those funds should be different than with SS.  It can still be required....so taxpayers don't have to provide for you.  It should only be accessible if you retire, become disabled, or to your estate if you die before retirement age. Nobody talks about other benefits of a privatized retirement plan.  For example, all that money invested in a wide variety of select funds or options amounts to an infusion of real capital (Over $ 1 trillion a year, most likely) into the private sector, utilities, or bonds.  That means growth and jobs, which translates into tax revenues....which can be used to provide for the indigent.  
You'd be surprised to see how something like this incentivizes actual work and productive employment.  A lot of uneducated dullards get awfully smart when you start talking dollars.  There are solutions..,,I'm not even scratching the surface.  My point is that we should not accept the status quo when it comes to SS and Medicare.

Before any of these real changes can be made, there needs to be one huge change that offers any realistic chance for sensible solutions: 

Term Limits

Wanna know what else is fun about Social Security.  Here in Kansas, we have to pay taxes on our Social Security. It was one of those laws that Joe Biden gleefully voted YEA on.  Also, I'm past retirement age and still working so even though I'm on Social Security I'm still paying into it every month.  So between the taxes and paying back into it, it isn't worth spit.  Soon, when Biden approves every illegal in the world for U.S. citizenship, how many do you think will be headed for the Social Security office.  How many hiding in the dark are 62-65 or have a disability the U.S. taxpayer needs to compensate for.  Young folks out there, don't count SS into your retirement plan just yet.  I doubt mine will last until I kick the bucket.

I pray this is not over yet! That it changes in the next few days!

http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16

Here is an article about the myth of Clinton's surplus.  It provides data than you can verify yourself and explains how Clinton borrowed money especially from SS to pay down the debt.

I have always supported the privitization of SS and you can clearly see why the left do not with this article.

i believe  that the medicare program is 90% fraud/   i use me for example

iif i buy my own chair  tilite which is custom about 4400.00  wheel 1200  brake 128.each seat  400.00 back 475  and thats not fancy

i have a dme like national seating double it and ui still pay 20%

if i buy my medical supplies 3 months 128.  medicare pays  48.00 a box for osty poches  9.75 urine bags  more info than you need

but i can but a lot ccheaper on line but because i am out of network<Thank Obama>   i only get 50%  back

i do believe that we need to throw it out but i am not smart enough. er room  before trating like cod eta  they need to be able topay for it

cold hard fact is this( This is not meant as a slight to anyone, especially you)

But health care is not a right. 

Get the Government out of it, enact some tort reform and let the free market take care of the rest. 

In short order things would normalize. 

Someone needs to give Mecon(ium) a Snickers to help them not to be such a hangry a$$hole.

totaly agree  health care goverment  shoul not be in business

https://www.facebook.com/liberalprivilegeusa/videos/2071305399666507

hmm

So Mecon, do you beleive he's won because the media tells you so? 

What will you do in December when the outcome is possibly different?   Will you pout, throw things, move? If it's the same, Will you gloat even harder that your gas prices will be $5 plus? Will you gloat when your power goes out or your heating bill is astronomical?  Will you gloat when your paycheck goes byebye and not to pay YOUR bills, but to pay the freeloaders who float in?  Will you gloat when you have to stay home and wear a mask in your own home?  Will you go poop in the street? 

Your behavior is such that you won't be happy no matter what happens.  I'm surprised you own a horse, because usually horses make us happy.  Unless of course they're in the fence or colicking....      Bitter doesn't appeal to anyone, you should try to move off of it.

Classy... but that's ok... Biden will never be my president. #notmypedophile

I just have to ask. Why does everyone give this person or persons the time of day ??  You all know his or her posts are going to be nasty. Just ignore & go on  :)  Have a nice day