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babbsywabbsy
Reg. Feb 2016
Posted 2020-11-10 8:17 AM
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Does the positive Covid test still get paid???



 


 


I like how you think . . straight to the root . . 


Follow the money.... 

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Bear
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2020-11-10 8:58 AM
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caspersabelpip - 2020-11-09 9:18 PM


Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 



Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  


The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 



Yes I agree our ability to treat COVID has improved. The last couple of weeks at work have been rough. The big numbers of positive COVID we are getting in my rural county are overwhelming my small health department. We are having a hard time keeping up with contact tracing and all the other additional duties COVID has created. It has also been hard on a personal level.  My neighbor I have bought hay from for the last 10 years just died of COVID. Another neighbor who is one of my best friends dad is also hospitalized and is on a ventilator from COVID. The last update I got on him was not good.  


I fly to MN to cover a small town ER for 4-5 days a couple times a month.  We had very few Covid "cases" through the summer, mostly asymptomatic or very minimally symptomatic.  Over the last couple months things heated up, and we started seeing some deaths in people over 65-70 with co-morbidities.  It wasn't overwhelming, but the larger referral hospitals started getting crunched for Covid beds.  The non-covid beds were tight because of a backlog in elective surgery, etc...

I have seen a lot of good results, though, mainly because we know a lot more about treatment and Dex has made a big difference.  The recent approval of monoclonal antibodies are promising and of course the vaccine (for those willing to take it) should help take some of the pressure off.  In my opinion, the way we have responded and made big advances is a credit to our profession.  The government's response in marshaling the capability if the private sector has been pretty impressive to me. 

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oija
Reg. Feb 2012
Posted 2020-11-10 9:20 AM
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babbsywabbsy - 2020-11-10 8:17 AM


lonely va barrelxr - 2020-11-10 6:53 AM


Turnburnsis - 2020-11-10 6:38 AM


Does the positive Covid test still get paid???



 


 


I like how you think . . straight to the root . . 



Follow the money.... 


No, just testing postive doesn't really generate money. The person has to be hospitalized before the government is paying out the big money everyone is talking about. Most people who test positive use tylenol, nyquil, mucinex, that kind of stuff at home to get better. That doesn't cost us anything. I have several friends sick with it now recovering at home (hopefully they can do so fully). The most important numbers to my mind are hospitalization rate and death rate like Bear said. When hospitals can't cope with patients, that's when more people die. So we have to be stricter when hospitalization rates are high.

And yes, locally there can be more concerns. My mom is an infectious disease nurse in Amarillo. They currently have 100 nurses out on quarantine in their area and their hospitals are at capacity. People needing ventilators now better hope they can get transport or they may die for lack of an ICU bed or ventilator. I think Lubbock is in very bad shape like this too. El Paso, Lubbock and Amarillo are the biggest hot spots in Texas right now. Amarillo just imposed more restrictions as a result. My parents had been going to 'socially distanced' church but they shut that back down again and in that environment with a hospitalization rate swinging from 15% to 28% that's probably good.

I think its sad that basic health things have become politicized. Science is science. And a life is a life. They are all valuable.

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Bear
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2020-11-10 9:46 AM
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"Oh look! No social distancing at Trump rallies!"  
"Oh look!  Protests with hundreds of thousands of people and no social distancing!"  
"Oh look!  White House staffers test positive for Covid!  
"Oh look!  Biden team members test positive for Covid!"  
"Oh look!  Pence tests positive for Covid!"  
"Oh look!  Kamala's staff members test positive for Covid!"
"Oh look!  Trump has Covid....he's hospitalized.....the bastard has pizza delivered to supporters....he's back on the campaign trail!" 

That's what happened for the last 4 months....back and forth.  Didn't make a dam bit of difference.  Like watching a tennis match. 

 

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Turnburnsis
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2020-11-10 11:56 AM
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oija - 2020-11-10 9:20 AM


babbsywabbsy - 2020-11-10 8:17 AM


lonely va barrelxr - 2020-11-10 6:53 AM


Turnburnsis - 2020-11-10 6:38 AM


Does the positive Covid test still get paid???



 


 


I like how you think . . straight to the root . . 



Follow the money.... 



No, just testing postive doesn't really generate money. The person has to be hospitalized before the government is paying out the big money everyone is talking about. Most people who test positive use tylenol, nyquil, mucinex, that kind of stuff at home to get better. That doesn't cost us anything. I have several friends sick with it now recovering at home (hopefully they can do so fully). The most important numbers to my mind are hospitalization rate and death rate like Bear said. When hospitals can't cope with patients, that's when more people die. So we have to be stricter when hospitalization rates are high.


And yes, locally there can be more concerns. My mom is an infectious disease nurse in Amarillo. They currently have 100 nurses out on quarantine in their area and their hospitals are at capacity. People needing ventilators now better hope they can get transport or they may die for lack of an ICU bed or ventilator. I think Lubbock is in very bad shape like this too. El Paso, Lubbock and Amarillo are the biggest hot spots in Texas right now. Amarillo just imposed more restrictions as a result. My parents had been going to 'socially distanced' church but they shut that back down again and in that environment with a hospitalization rate swinging from 15% to 28% that's probably good.


I think its sad that basic health things have become politicized. Science is science. And a life is a life. They are all valuable.


Thank you for explaining.  I have been hearing more negative tests lately and that's why I was asking.  I just wished they had never paid for the positives in the first place.  I still dont understand the reason for the paying positives except to fudge numbers!

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caspersabelpip
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2020-11-10 2:13 PM
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From a Health Department standpoint any money we have received is for very specific things. We received money to hire additional contact tracers or covid testers.  If covid did not exist we would have no need to hire these additional people. Even with the new staff we have hired we are still stretched extremely thin. I have very little time to do the job I was actually hired to do 3 years ago. 

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Frodo
Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2020-11-10 3:36 PM
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For all of you who work in the world of health care, thank you for what you do and your dedication.   

Years ago I thought I could be a medical transcriptionist, two classes later I knew just understanding the terminology was too tough for me.  I admire you all.

 

 

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caspersabelpip
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2020-11-10 6:48 PM
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Frodo - 2020-11-10 2:36 PM


For all of you who work in the world of health care, thank you for what you do and your dedication.   


Years ago I thought I could be a medical transcriptionist, two classes later I knew just understanding the terminology was too tough for me.  I admire you all.


 


 


Thank you for saying that. It's nice to hear when people appreciate what we do. It seems like I've got a lot more criticism than thanks lately. 

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jake16
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2020-11-10 7:25 PM
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Yes,THANK YOU HEALTHCARE WORKERS,we currently have a family member on a vent with covid,and pnemonia,and isnt looking good,cant visit:(also my friend and her young son have it,they are doing ok at home.WE APPRECIATE YOU,alot of healthcare workers here are getting covid this time around:(STAY SAFE.

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JcNhEmI
Reg. Apr 2009
Posted 2020-11-11 9:48 AM
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I agree, thank you to our health care workers! I cannot imagine being in the medical field right now. 

What bothers me is how politicized this virus has become. I just don't think the economy or peoples mental health can take another shut down. 

In my opinion most governors could take a few notes from South Dakota's Kristi Noem 

 

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JcNhEmI
Reg. Apr 2009
Posted 2020-11-11 9:55 AM
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Bear - 2020-11-09 4:48 PM


I think it's time we review some facts about this pandemic.


1.) We now have close to 10 million "cases" of Covid19.  That's very misleading, and actually wrong.  Up until now, using the word "cases" accurately implied people were actually ill from a given disease.  TB "cases" were people sick from TB.  Whooping cough "cases" had whooping cough.  Measles "cases" had measles.  Of those 10 million with positive Covid19 tests, about 40% were asymptomatic, with another 40% having mild symptoms.  So while the MSM succeeded in conveying the intended message that 10 million Americans were ill with Covid19, that is grossly misleading.  That's where the term "Casedemic" got its origin.


2.) Furthermore, according to the CDC, antibody testing has demonstrated that the reported Covid19 positive tests actually reflects 10% of the actual number of people likely to have had the virus.  In fact, they estimate the real number to be 10 times higher, and as much as 24 times higher.  Even on the low end, based on the  CDC findings, the "Casedemic" numbers are at least 100 million, and as much as 240 million.  Don't believe me?  See the link below, as well as the numerous others from the MSM.  Do the math....10X10=100.  That sorta math. So the real denominator is much higher than the "Casedemic" numbers.


3.)What we should be worried about is the actual deaths....the numerator.  Using these numbers, for a person testing positive for Covid19, the "case" fatality rate ranges between 0.1 - 0.24%.  If you are younger than 65 that risk is substantially less.  Everyone knows this.  Everyone knows who the vulnerable people are.


4.) Sadly, the issue over masks has become a toxic political tool, and most Americans fell for it.  New York and New Jersey have the most strict mask mandates in the country......and the highest death rates per capita.  It's hard to make a good correlation between mask mandates and death rates.  To be clear, I think it's sensible to wear masks under certain circumstances, and we do, because it's cheap, easy, and might make a difference.  The craze over a national mask mandate is yet another political tool, in my opinion.  Much of it is symbolism over substance, and sadly it works with too many low information voters.


5.) Operation Warp Speed appears to be paying off.  We are very close to having a vaccine available.  When that materializes, it will be the most rapid development of a vaccine in history, by far.  For those of us who believe in vaccines, that is probably the best news possible.  Mask mandates are cosmetic, for the most part.  A safe, effective vaccine is an actual weapon.  President Trump deserves credit.  The Dow shot up to record levels this morning largely because of the good news on Covid19 vaccines.


6.) China is responsible for this catastrophe, no matter how you look at it.  That's just a hard fact. 


Thanks Bear! I always enjoy reading your responses. 

 

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caspersabelpip
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2020-11-11 5:00 PM
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caspersabelpip - 2020-11-10 6:24 AM

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caspersabelpip - 2020-11-09 9:18 PM

Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 

Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  

The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 

Yes I agree our ability to treat COVID has improved. The last couple of weeks at work have been rough. The big numbers of positive COVID we are getting in my rural county are overwhelming my small health department. We are having a hard time keeping up with contact tracing and all the other additional duties COVID has created. It has also been hard on a personal level.  My neighbor I have bought hay from for the last 10 years just died of COVID. Another neighbor who is one of my best friends dad is also hospitalized and is on a ventilator from COVID. The last update I got on him was not good.  

Just found out about an hour ago my other neighbor hospitalized for COVID-19 passed away. 



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SC Wrangler
Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2020-11-11 6:12 PM
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caspersabelpip - 2020-11-09 9:18 PM


Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 



Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  


The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 



Yes I agree our ability to treat COVID has improved. The last couple of weeks at work have been rough. The big numbers of positive COVID we are getting in my rural county are overwhelming my small health department. We are having a hard time keeping up with contact tracing and all the other additional duties COVID has created. It has also been hard on a personal level.  My neighbor I have bought hay from for the last 10 years just died of COVID. Another neighbor who is one of my best friends dad is also hospitalized and is on a ventilator from COVID. The last update I got on him was not good.  



Just found out about an hour ago my other neighbor hospitalized for COVID-19 passed away. ??


As much as some want to minimize the situation, this pandemic is is very, very real and raging.  It is easy to point out that most do not get really ill and recover with out incident.  I realize that many those who have died had underlying health issues, but the fact remains that they would have still been alive if they had not caught covid.  I doubt that the loved ones of nearly a quarter million fellow Americans find any solicev in any of those facts.  

A friend of 40+ years passed away last week.  She spent almost 2mos in the hospital. She was on a vent and ecmo bypass.  4 weeks in she rallied and actually came off the vent.  She seemed to be making progress and  then suddenly started to go down hill.  She declined to go back on the vent and passed within 24 hours.   Her husband who had many health issues only had a few days of cold type symptoms and recovered completely.  You just never know who will be effected how.  

 

 

 

 

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jake16
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2020-11-11 6:37 PM
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caspersabelpip - 2020-11-09 9:18 PM


Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 



Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  


The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 



Yes I agree our ability to treat COVID has improved. The last couple of weeks at work have been rough. The big numbers of positive COVID we are getting in my rural county are overwhelming my small health department. We are having a hard time keeping up with contact tracing and all the other additional duties COVID has created. It has also been hard on a personal level.  My neighbor I have bought hay from for the last 10 years just died of COVID. Another neighbor who is one of my best friends dad is also hospitalized and is on a ventilator from COVID. The last update I got on him was not good.  



Just found out about an hour ago my other neighbor hospitalized for COVID-19 passed away. 


I am so sorry,we are about in the same situation,and having an AWFUL time getting info on our family member.She is 59,the hospital will only talk to the ONE person listed,they will not talk to other family.Another family member was diagnosed with terminal cancer last month,sent home with hospice,5 of the caretakers now have covid,and 4 family members.

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1DSoon
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2020-11-11 6:43 PM
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caspersabelpip - 2020-11-09 9:18 PM


Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 



Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  


The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 



Yes I agree our ability to treat COVID has improved. The last couple of weeks at work have been rough. The big numbers of positive COVID we are getting in my rural county are overwhelming my small health department. We are having a hard time keeping up with contact tracing and all the other additional duties COVID has created. It has also been hard on a personal level.  My neighbor I have bought hay from for the last 10 years just died of COVID. Another neighbor who is one of my best friends dad is also hospitalized and is on a ventilator from COVID. The last update I got on him was not good.  



Just found out about an hour ago my other neighbor hospitalized for COVID-19 passed away. ??



As much as some want to minimize the situation, this pandemic is is very, very real and raging.  It is easy to point out that most do not get really ill and recover with out incident.  I realize that many those who have died had underlying health issues, but the fact remains that they would have still been alive if they had not caught covid.  I doubt that the loved ones of nearly a quarter million fellow Americans find any solicev in any of those facts.  


A friend of 40+ years passed away last week.  She spent almost 2mos in the hospital. She was on a vent and ecmo bypass.  4 weeks in she rallied and actually came off the vent.  She seemed to be making progress and  then suddenly started to go down hill.  She declined to go back on the vent and passed within 24 hours.   Her husband who had many health issues only had a few days of cold type symptoms and recovered completely.  You just never know who will be effected how.  


 


 


 


 


for every anecdote like that there is the other side like mine. 

Everyone in my immediate family has had it and brushed it off like the common cold. 

My 80ish year old parents now have it and my dad was mowing and my mom was working her garden this afternoon. 

 

It's real, it's also no more serious than the flu. 

 

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SC Wrangler
Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2020-11-11 8:03 PM
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caspersabelpip - 2020-11-09 9:18 PM

Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 

Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  

The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 

Yes I agree our ability to treat COVID has improved. The last couple of weeks at work have been rough. The big numbers of positive COVID we are getting in my rural county are overwhelming my small health department. We are having a hard time keeping up with contact tracing and all the other additional duties COVID has created. It has also been hard on a personal level.  My neighbor I have bought hay from for the last 10 years just died of COVID. Another neighbor who is one of my best friends dad is also hospitalized and is on a ventilator from COVID. The last update I got on him was not good.  

Just found out about an hour ago my other neighbor hospitalized for COVID-19 passed away. ??

As much as some want to minimize the situation, this pandemic is is very, very real and raging.  It is easy to point out that most do not get really ill and recover with out incident.  I realize that many those who have died had underlying health issues, but the fact remains that they would have still been alive if they had not caught covid.  I doubt that the loved ones of nearly a quarter million fellow Americans find any solicev in any of those facts.  

A friend of 40+ years passed away last week.  She spent almost 2mos in the hospital. She was on a vent and ecmo bypass.  4 weeks in she rallied and actually came off the vent.  She seemed to be making progress and  then suddenly started to go down hill.  She declined to go back on the vent and passed within 24 hours.   Her husband who had many health issues only had a few days of cold type symptoms and recovered completely.  You just never know who will be effected how.  

 

 

 

 

for every anecdote like that there is the other side like mine. 

Everyone in my immediate family has had it and brushed it off like the common cold. 

My 80ish year old parents now have it and my dad was mowing and my mom was working her garden this afternoon. 

 

It's real, it's also no more serious than the flu. 

 

fact

In my world 250,000 dead folks is not anecdotal.  Nor is the flu mortality rate comparable to this pandemic.  Remind me when the flu has ever put ICU beds at or near capacity all over this country.



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Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 



Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  


The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 



Yes I agree our ability to treat COVID has improved. The last couple of weeks at work have been rough. The big numbers of positive COVID we are getting in my rural county are overwhelming my small health department. We are having a hard time keeping up with contact tracing and all the other additional duties COVID has created. It has also been hard on a personal level.  My neighbor I have bought hay from for the last 10 years just died of COVID. Another neighbor who is one of my best friends dad is also hospitalized and is on a ventilator from COVID. The last update I got on him was not good.  



Just found out about an hour ago my other neighbor hospitalized for COVID-19 passed away. ??



As much as some want to minimize the situation, this pandemic is is very, very real and raging.  It is easy to point out that most do not get really ill and recover with out incident.  I realize that many those who have died had underlying health issues, but the fact remains that they would have still been alive if they had not caught covid.  I doubt that the loved ones of nearly a quarter million fellow Americans find any solicev in any of those facts.  


A friend of 40+ years passed away last week.  She spent almost 2mos in the hospital. She was on a vent and ecmo bypass.  4 weeks in she rallied and actually came off the vent.  She seemed to be making progress and  then suddenly started to go down hill.  She declined to go back on the vent and passed within 24 hours.   Her husband who had many health issues only had a few days of cold type symptoms and recovered completely.  You just never know who will be effected how.  


 


 


 


 



for every anecdote like that there is the other side like mine. 

Everyone in my immediate family has had it and brushed it off like the common cold. 

My 80ish year old parents now have it and my dad was mowing and my mom was working her garden this afternoon. 


 


It's real, it's also no more serious than the flu. 


 


fact


Both my Father in law and Mother in Law had it a few months ago at the same time, both are in their late 80's and bounching back from the Covid, My Mother In Law still claims they just had the Flu.. And my Father In Law has had more then a few heart by- passes so it got him a little more then MIL, but both are doing good and never spended one night in the Hospital.. Just saw them this pass Monday at my sister in laws funeral and they looked a little tired, but they have always stayed busy and in shape, so I think that helped.. MIL has always been a yard person and always works in her garden so I really think them being in good shape helped kick this virus. 

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Bear
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2020-11-11 10:10 PM
Subject: RE: Here we go again. . . .



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Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 



Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  


The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 



Yes I agree our ability to treat COVID has improved. The last couple of weeks at work have been rough. The big numbers of positive COVID we are getting in my rural county are overwhelming my small health department. We are having a hard time keeping up with contact tracing and all the other additional duties COVID has created. It has also been hard on a personal level.  My neighbor I have bought hay from for the last 10 years just died of COVID. Another neighbor who is one of my best friends dad is also hospitalized and is on a ventilator from COVID. The last update I got on him was not good.  



Just found out about an hour ago my other neighbor hospitalized for COVID-19 passed away. ??



As much as some want to minimize the situation, this pandemic is is very, very real and raging.  It is easy to point out that most do not get really ill and recover with out incident.  I realize that many those who have died had underlying health issues, but the fact remains that they would have still been alive if they had not caught covid.  I doubt that the loved ones of nearly a quarter million fellow Americans find any solicev in any of those facts.  


A friend of 40+ years passed away last week.  She spent almost 2mos in the hospital. She was on a vent and ecmo bypass.  4 weeks in she rallied and actually came off the vent.  She seemed to be making progress and  then suddenly started to go down hill.  She declined to go back on the vent and passed within 24 hours.   Her husband who had many health issues only had a few days of cold type symptoms and recovered completely.  You just never know who will be effected how.  


 


 


 


 



for every anecdote like that there is the other side like mine. 

Everyone in my immediate family has had it and brushed it off like the common cold. 

My 80ish year old parents now have it and my dad was mowing and my mom was working her garden this afternoon. 


 


It's real, it's also no more serious than the flu. 


 


fact



In my world 250,000 dead folks is not anecdotal.  Nor is the flu mortality rate comparable to this pandemic.  Remind me when the flu has ever put ICU beds at or near capacity all over this country.


I can't speak for 1D, but you used an anecdote and he countered with his anecdote. He didn't say 250,000 deaths was anecdotal. In his family's experience, Covid was like having the flu.  Covid19 is more contagious than Swine flu, but Swine Flu was actually deadlier than Covid19 in kids.  Over 80% of the deaths from H1N1 were under 65, whereas over 80% of Covid19 deaths were in people over 65.  All I can say is if the vaccine is as effective as they claim, any credit will eventually be given to "Operation Warp Speed".  We've never ever even come close to developing an effective vaccine to a NOVEL ("new") virus this quickly at any time in history. 

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1DSoon
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2020-11-12 7:20 AM
Subject: RE: Here we go again. . . .





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caspersabelpip - 2020-11-09 9:18 PM


Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 



Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  


The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 



Yes I agree our ability to treat COVID has improved. The last couple of weeks at work have been rough. The big numbers of positive COVID we are getting in my rural county are overwhelming my small health department. We are having a hard time keeping up with contact tracing and all the other additional duties COVID has created. It has also been hard on a personal level.  My neighbor I have bought hay from for the last 10 years just died of COVID. Another neighbor who is one of my best friends dad is also hospitalized and is on a ventilator from COVID. The last update I got on him was not good.  



Just found out about an hour ago my other neighbor hospitalized for COVID-19 passed away. ??



As much as some want to minimize the situation, this pandemic is is very, very real and raging.  It is easy to point out that most do not get really ill and recover with out incident.  I realize that many those who have died had underlying health issues, but the fact remains that they would have still been alive if they had not caught covid.  I doubt that the loved ones of nearly a quarter million fellow Americans find any solicev in any of those facts.  


A friend of 40+ years passed away last week.  She spent almost 2mos in the hospital. She was on a vent and ecmo bypass.  4 weeks in she rallied and actually came off the vent.  She seemed to be making progress and  then suddenly started to go down hill.  She declined to go back on the vent and passed within 24 hours.   Her husband who had many health issues only had a few days of cold type symptoms and recovered completely.  You just never know who will be effected how.  


 


 


 


 



for every anecdote like that there is the other side like mine. 

Everyone in my immediate family has had it and brushed it off like the common cold. 

My 80ish year old parents now have it and my dad was mowing and my mom was working her garden this afternoon. 


 


It's real, it's also no more serious than the flu. 


 


fact



In my world 250,000 dead folks is not anecdotal.  Nor is the flu mortality rate comparable to this pandemic.  Remind me when the flu has ever put ICU beds at or near capacity all over this country.


250k deaths is tragic

 

 

so is the fact that it's pretty common knowledge that of those 250k were comorbitie deaths. 

 

 

it is both itellectually disengenous and naive not to see the Rice Rabies as a political tool as much as a virus. 

 

 

 

 

Note: my spelling sucks and I don't have my glasses and am typing on my phone. So I don't care 

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Frodo
Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2020-11-12 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: Here we go again. . . .


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Again, reality, this virus started in sanctuary cities and El Paso is a super hot spot.  Figure it out.

Our company's accountant is 73 and diabetic.  He has Covid and is sick and a bit miserable but never required hospitalization and is working his way through it.  He will be fine.  

Joe's miracle cure will be masks and shutting down businesses all over the country, then bankrupting the country by putting a couple trillion out there like welfare benefits.  If you let me work, I don't need it but if you shut down my business I sure as heck will.

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