Honestly- I feel the same way. I expected the backlash against Trump policies. I figured it would be ugly. I wasn't remotly surprised.  But it's very disheartening that this individual who ran on "bringing the country back together agin" did so many things to seperate even more right off the bat. Maybe my perspective of right/wrong is scewed. Maybe I'm too ignorant to know what it is going to take to get this country back together again. Lord knows the problems are multi-layered and nuanced. There probably is no single answer for what is the right way. But it doesn't seem like a positive start.

I can only judge him by his posts which never show anything but talkings points emotion and zero logic when it comes anything politicol. 

I'm really surprised only one Biden support has come forward so far? There were a lot of people quite passionate about him a couple months ago, would love their input.

My question will either be answered or it wont. If it's answered, it's up to him what is said. I assume nothing.  Things stay less muddy that way. Little pokes and jabs really add nothing to the conversation.

Ditto

"Illegal immigrants should be counted in the Census. The Census is used to apportion money - more people equals more need for funding. It doesn't matter where the people came from or what their status is. They are still using the roads."

I strongly disagree with this premise and this statement.  The goal of the census is to count citizens.  Illegal immigrants are here illegally.  They are not citizens.  It is not entirely flawed logic to include illegal residents as part of a basis for apportioning funds to states, as much as we may not like it.  The census is used to decide on apportioning funding for Medicaid, for instance, and those funds are actually sometimes used to provide healthcare for illegals.  There's no real good way around that.  I do have a problem with using illegal aliens in the census when the census is used to determine reapportionment of congressional representation.  That, to me, is inherently flawed.  There should be a way to exclude them from census numbers such that the population of illegals doesn't in any way effect the apportionment of representatives in Congress.  That's why I agree with asking respondents whether or not they are US citizens when taking a census. I'm opposed to things that incentivizes welcoming of illegal immigrants.....and by including illegals in making determinations of congressional districts, you just add to the incentive to willfully cheat and break our laws.

I just read a news story about a young welder who was immediately laid off after Biden cancelled the Keystone project.  He said he sat in his truck and wept, then had to lay off his whole team.  Good job gone.  Is there another one out there for him?  Questionable.

Is the peanut gallery feeling some pokes and jabs? I intended it that way. And since I've read many of your posts over the years, I know you are 100% intelligent enough to know that. I gave mutiple opportunities for you to back out of the conversation I was attempting to have with someone else by showing I wasn't interested in how they had responded before and why I thought it could possibly be different this time.. Yet you continued to force your dialoge and opinions that added nothing to said conversation.

The only way jd&ez can NOT answer a question is by trashing, calling us all commies and other names,trashing Trump calling his wife a P*** star, saying how Trump graps a womens part (of her body) jd&ez starts a thread about Trump Trashing him and his supporters, hes never ever has answered a question, he jd&ez is always talking filth about Trump and his family and us. He loves bashing all the Trump supporters on here..

They told you exactly what they were going to do.... none of this is a surprise...

Many were not listening... many were to busy hating on Trump -

elections have consequences.... 

Surprise - not surprised!

I think there will still be good jobs out there for the welders. There is a lack of good ones out there, so there will always be jobs. If you are a good enough welder to be on the pipeline, you have skills. It is a shame that those people have to pivot and figure out a new job- and the hardships they wil go through unitl it falls into place - they shouldn't have to do it- but they are the backbone of America working type people that ARE going to work and have skills employers are looking for.  One of my own family members was laid off from the pipeline. Just had a new baby. It really sucks. And I also know, he already has an interview for another job.

I think it's wrong and iodiotic that it happened, as I stated in an earlier post. I am absolutly not defending the pipeline shutting down or minimizing what the workers are going through.

Really sad day when a DEMOCRATIC US Representative is upset about the house passing a bill that sends $3 TRILLION overseas. BUT I do have a solution to help out the girl athletes. You better be tough to run with the girls. 

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Oh but according to Buttigieg, after Cruz grilled him about it, said- " They can get a job just a different one." ??

How profound.

Yet he was photographed on federal property with no mask. He said he was celebrating. 

When I go in a store I am going to tell them I am celebrating something so I don't have to wear a mask. 

i am a gentt for over the trucking

had a driver del a switch in neb friday. company said well we will take its paid for but it was made for the pipeline. they were told last week to get off pipeline.  so now what does the company do

the ex ceo of shell said biden needed to recisend and put it back it negatively going to affect america

Boy are you ever miss reading me. Ditto was to agree with your last statment. If you think I would back out of any conversation you are mistaken. Keep i n mind you choose to answer my remark and became his defender hence the vally of remarks have proceded. The ball is in your court we can carry on with this tit for tat it's up to you. Or we agree to disagree and walk away. You claim to know him on a personal bases and claim his not how he is on this board he maybe that way in real life I can not judge on that. I can only judge him on his statments on this board. They have been far from civil and mostly hateful on anything political. He and I will never agree on anything political that is clear I don't have a problem with that. I do have a huge problem with his hateful bigited remarks. All he has to do is be civil. Until he does I and many will call him out on it.  And I would have far more respect for him if he defended himself and not you Sorry I did not get back to you right away had to work. passing the ball to you. Back to work for me.  PS I know he can be because he is on anything but polotics.

I will take the responsibility for misunderstanding the connotation behind your "ditto". That is on me. Apoligies.

I am not anyone's defender. I didn't take anyone's side- I asked a question. I mentioned that I personally knew the individual and thought he might respond differently to my question in an attempt to get you to back off and stop poking the bear.  I will step up and defend ANYONES right to have a CIVIL conversation with me- even if I don't agree with what they say because having those types of conversations are one way to open your mind and start thinking about all sides of a problem. Not just your side. Or maybe it will give you insight on how to destroy the enemy. Either one works.

Sometimes I think some (not all)  people on here (both Democrat and Republican) act like the most immature, non comprehensive and non origional thought producing babies. It's kinda scary to think that people might really carry on conversations like that in person. If so - no wonder the US is in the shape it is. Some of the vile things said on here would get someone's block knocked off in person, and it really pains and disheartens me to think that anyone might actually talk to or treat someone like that in person. Can I be a blunt, smartass at times? Absolutly. Sometimes I take the bait when I should just swim on by. But I generally try to stay respectful and not resort to the base, low hits. I guess some might think it's fun to say things in a "feed the monkey's and watch them poop" kinda way- but I personally don't. I think it's a vicious cycle. Sometimes one that brands you as something you may not really be.  Words do have meanings, connotations and consequences.

I can only control how I respond to someone. I will not attempt to speak for or explain why someone else said something. That's their perogotive. I have a hard enough time thinking for myself.

I have enjoyed the back and forth. And as always, it's not personal attack. Just a dialogue.

Kinda Classy.... I just want to say I believe you sure live up to your name.  Thank you for trying.  I have learned many things on this board over the years, and I hate that topics can't be discussed.  Since people are located all over the country I enjoy reading why they feel they way they do.

I hate to do it but I will attempt to explain why I voted for Biden, he would not have been my first choice and I'm very sad we don't have better choices, but who in their right mind would want the job.  I don't agree with everything he has done but I like it better than what we had for the reasons listed below.

I don't believe we are the laughing stock of the world anymore, with a leader as unpredictable as Kim Jung Un.  I didn't like the fact that he was best buds with Putin & Kim Jung Un instead of allies.

I'm glad he rejoined the WHO I think this is a world problem not just ours.  I believe if we had paid better attention we wouldn't be in this mess.

I'm happy he has put in people who know how government works instead of cronies.  The post office mess comes to mind.  All of my bills are late and I received a check yesterday postmarked 12/9/20.  He really put a good person in charge, who destroyed storting machines.  I guess we were out of storage. 

I couldn't vote for Trump because of him auctioning off drilling rights in Alaska, he said it was going to make all kinds of money and it was auctioned of for very little.  At least an Alaskan company bought it, if they want to destroy it go ahead I won't go there it's too cold.  However I believe if he was in there longer he would have destroyed other National Parks too.

The Keystone pipeline..... I really don't know.  Don't they already have one?  Isn't is used to export Canadian oil we don't want to refine in America?  If so just who does that help?  I see what we did to the Indians and how we treat them.  All you people griping about immigrants better think about how they are treated.  I would be pretty concerned about it going thru a water supply for so many, especially since so many regulatons have be relaxed.  I can pay a little more for gas if it means clean water for many.

I thought the way Alexander Vindman and other diplomats were treated over the perfect phone call was horrible.

I listened to all the Trump rallies and I read all news sites, I never get my news from here or facebook, even read newsmax.  I could never vote for him for the way he did his rallies.  He never mentions what his plan is just trashes people and makes up names.  He was addicted to the campaign trail and his followers and many to him.  I do believe he enjoyed them storming the capitol or he would have sent the national guard in sooner or at least taken the phone calls instead of watching on TV.

I truly enjoy that we have a press secretary who answers questions and does not consider the press the enemy.  I can't believe in the middle of an election and a pandemic, President Trump said his biggest problem was the press.  I guess if you don't want them to know the shady things you do it's a problem.  What about him calling the GA guy insisting he won and wanting 11,000 votes?  Sure sounded like a mob shake down to me.

If Hillary would have files 60 lawsuits...... would you all still say she won?

I could go or I could be like another poster and just delete it because the posse willl mount up and attack.  However you ask and I thought you had good intentions.  I sure hope they Keep it Classy.  Have a great day.

Please reference my highlighted comment in your quote..................

Do you remember in 2008 when Diesel Fuel hit $4.60 per gallon? Would you be willing to pay these kinds of prices (again) for "clean water for many"? I believe these kinds of operating prices are capable of bankrupting many consumers. So again, would You be willing to bankrupt people to provide 'clean water for many'?