I have a few very left leaning FB "friends" merely because they're clients of ours and I like to follow their horses, but it's been a big moral struggle for some of them this past week. They want to be fair, but they also have daughters and are finally realizing how out of hand and disgusting this is getting. It's almost like it's not a problem until it actually affects their lives! It's interesting to see it play out and watch them try to rationalize why it's okay, but ultimately decide it's not when their daughters' privacy and livelihoods are at stake.

I bet theres alot more lefties going threw the same thing and wondering why is this old man knocking out jobs and letting these pretend females run/play against these young ladys. 

 I dont hear of girls wanting to go play in the mens sports but maybe 1 or 2 like football.  If they had football for girls only they probably woundnt want to play mens football.  But I am shocked how many men wants to play with the girls!!!! How can the help your ego??? that you beat a girl.  dont get me wrong I know girls can beat men but we are made different!!!

I'm proabably not wording right but surely you get what I mean!!!

There was a young girl that played on my boys football league,  it was Pee-wee. Funny thing, my boys were saying they didn't want to tackle her or block her too hard,  until she knocked them on their butts on a few plays lol!! Then they finally starting playing right.. she was a tough little thing... 

First off. I'm NOT supporting the practie of letting a Transgender individual playing on the other sex's team. I'm still mulling it over in my brain and trying to decide where I do land on that issue.

I've had conversations with people that call themselves transgender. I honestly think that, for a truly trans person, this would not be a case of a boy wanting to compete with girls to boost their ego. Instead it is someone who truly thinks they are and were supposed to be born a girl. To them, they are a girl wanting to play on the girls team.

For me, the sticking point is in jr high, high school and college sports. Before a person actually transistions with hormone therapy, a person born biologically male would proably seem have the athletic advantage because of their body make up and hormone levels. It definitly doesn't seem fair to allow someone who is hormonally male to compete against someone who is hormonally female. Espically when there are college scholorships potentially involved.

Once someone moves into the professional level, it doesn't bother me as much. Someone born biologically male but transistioned to female might have a slightly larger body mass or leg/arm length, but it probably wouldn't be much different from some the freakishly large/tall and athletic biological females that are competing professionally anyways. For me, once a reasonably long period of time has passed so all the male hormones are out of the system- then why not? That has gone on in professional sports since the late 70's. Women sports are still just fine and dominated by women.

I think Kinda Classey called me a freak.

There are female college athletes launching a lawsuit against this madness.  I watched some of their competitions.  The men who beat them were not hindered by any female hormone injections.  They were wide shouldered, muscular, and very strong.  The girls I saw weren't Amazons by any means.  Pretty, of course, and in great shape.  Why are they always pretty? 

Even their attorney was pretty.

Hey- if you can find a pair of 5 inch black stillettos in a size 13 1/2 - strap those bad boys on and ROCK them!!!! I'd be rooting you on!

All joking aside, I definitly should have used a better word than freak to describe a taller or stronger than "average" woman. That word does have some bad connotations. My momma taught me better.

you lasted longer than I thought you would. 

but the true lean finally showed up. 

Why dont the Transgenders start their own league??? You have Womens, Mens, Gays, Blacks, and Indian sports!  They need to start their own! then they can decide if they want to open it to others or not. 

I should say rodeos bc thats mainly what I know after high school! lol  I dont follow sports so maybe sports not devided like the rodeo associations are??? Tho I know there are men and women sports. I just assumed there is the others too in sports.

For me it's not even subtle.  

I keep seeing Xena Warrior Princess.........

To me there is a simple solution require a DNA test to play Women's or Men's sports. No matter how much surgey or drugs one recives you still are what sex you are born with. 

You cannot change biology.  The surgery is cosmetic -- it only changes the looks, not the biological sex.  Biological males in sports regardless of cosemetic changes will always be stronger than biological women.  I am happy to see so many lawsuits filed!  Go girls!  

I dont know of any parent that would want their daughter to compete against a male that was born a male that turns himself into a female in a all female sport. This is just not right at all. I dont care if they are in grade school, high school, college, are the Professional level just dont make any sense to me. I know in the professional level it happens I guess, but still not right.. I bet if you put Bruce Jenner (Caitlyn) in a womens all sports there would be alot of ticked off women and Transfemales, I bet Bruce (Caitlyn) would still kick so serious booty. I dont care how long they have been on or off hormones they are still a Man at birth. 

How about what it says you are on your birth certificate? Or are they going to add another option to that too? M F or TBD. Didn't the WPRA win a fight with a transgender fella wanting to run in a WPRA sanctioned race by including the Birth Certificate criteria? Then he/she decided to try to drop the race card on the table... i never followed up on what became of that, it just kind of slinked away after all the hub bub.... 

SNORT!!!

Because I'm not a programmed robot to only display what one side thinks or believes? 

No thank you- I can think for myself.

There are very few things in this world that are completly black and white. I'm not so closed minded that I can't see that.

I've been an contradiction to folks my entire life. It's never bothered me - a rose and and an onion both have lots of layers. I've never gave a flying flip which one someone thought I was.

LOL

I can honestly say that I have been accused of many things - but you are right - subtle has never been one of them!

I think you are right, I vaguely remember this about the man trying to run in a sanctioned WPRA. Seems like it was somewhere around here, he went by a name of Stacey something like that. I dont think he was a Trans thou, just gay and thought he could get away with just putting his name down, but this could be another one that tryed, lol.

Ahhh yes, I recognize this.  Everything is nuanced.