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Location: Mid-Michigan | Annmarea did you try any calming supplements before you found out about the PSSM in your ponies?? And if you did, did you see any effect?? |
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | Unfortunately the more I read about PSSM the more I think my gelding has it :( I've never had him tie up, but everything else with the rear end issues and stepping in a hole thing. He's recently started to kick out whens he's first rode. I'm not really looking forward to sending the test off for the fact I'm pretty sure he's positive. I tried looking on the PSSM files on the fb forum to see if any parents are carriers but couldnt find them and his breeders number no longer works.http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/dustin+n+firewater |
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Location: Iowa, LA | cvernier19 - 2014-01-09 5:55 PM Annmarea did you try any calming supplements before you found out about the PSSM in your ponies?? And if you did, did you see any effect??
Yes, I did. I used both prescription and "natural" supplements for my mare and they did not work. She will act bat **** crazy when she's hurting bad. Her times will be 1-1.5 seconds slower and warming her up is flat out dangerous. The better she feels, the better she acts. The more she is ridden the better she acts. |
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Location: Iowa, LA | FirstFirewater - 2014-01-09 5:55 PM Unfortunately the more I read about PSSM the more I think my gelding has it :( I've never had him tie up, but everything else with the rear end issues and stepping in a hole thing. He's recently started to kick out whens he's first rode. I'm not really looking forward to sending the test off for the fact I'm pretty sure he's positive. I tried looking on the PSSM files on the fb forum to see if any parents are carriers but couldnt find them and his breeders number no longer works.http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/dustin+n+firewater
The thing about pedigrees is it's been traced back to horses that most of our modern day horses go back to. And then you have Type 2 which I kinda feel comes from TB breeding. There just hasn't been enough willing to biopsy and post the results on the forum to really compare those pedigrees. The pedigree list from Type 1 is pretty lengthy, though. |
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Location: Montana | annemarea - 2014-01-09 5:18 PM
FirstFirewater - 2014-01-09 5:55 PM Unfortunately the more I read about PSSM the more I think my gelding has it :( I've never had him tie up, but everything else with the rear end issues and stepping in a hole thing. He's recently started to kick out whens he's first rode. I'm not really looking forward to sending the test off for the fact I'm pretty sure he's positive. I tried looking on the PSSM files on the fb forum to see if any parents are carriers but couldnt find them and his breeders number no longer works.http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/dustin+n+firewater
The thing about pedigrees is it's been traced back to horses that most of our modern day horses go back to. And then you have Type 2 which I kinda feel comes from TB breeding. There just hasn't been enough willing to biopsy and post the results on the forum to really compare those pedigrees. The pedigree list from Type 1 is pretty lengthy, though.Â
Annemarie -
Is that list published in list form anywhere? Or does everyone have to piece it together? I can see the political uproar the existence of a list would cause, but it would sure be handy.
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Location: Iowa, LA | ausranch - 2014-01-12 4:50 PM
annemarea - 2014-01-09 5:18 PM
FirstFirewater - 2014-01-09 5:55 PM Unfortunately the more I read about PSSM the more I think my gelding has it :( I've never had him tie up, but everything else with the rear end issues and stepping in a hole thing. He's recently started to kick out whens he's first rode. I'm not really looking forward to sending the test off for the fact I'm pretty sure he's positive. I tried looking on the PSSM files on the fb forum to see if any parents are carriers but couldnt find them and his breeders number no longer works.http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/dustin+n+firewater
The thing about pedigrees is it's been traced back to horses that most of our modern day horses go back to. And then you have Type 2 which I kinda feel comes from TB breeding. There just hasn't been enough willing to biopsy and post the results on the forum to really compare those pedigrees. The pedigree list from Type 1 is pretty lengthy, though.Â
Annemarie -
Is that list published in list form anywhere? Or does everyone have to piece it together? I can see the political uproar the existence of a list would cause, but it would sure be handy.
Thanks!
Kristin
There is actually a list of positive horses on the FB forum, but the studies that trace PSSM 1 back I believe have used initials only...such as YJ for Yellow Jacket and SDB for Sonny Dee Bar. Appycowgirl could explain better than I could. I've been more interested in finding common ancestors for PSSM 2. |
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| This has probably been posted already but I haven't read every page. I am planning on having a mare tested at the U of M for PSSM type 1. Cost is $65. Now people are talking about the 5 panel. What is the cost of that? Wondering if I should go that route instead?? |
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Location: Iowa, LA | ChicksInferno - 2014-01-13 12:26 PM This has probably been posted already but I haven't read every page. I am planning on having a mare tested at the U of M for PSSM type 1. Cost is $65. Now people are talking about the 5 panel. What is the cost of that? Wondering if I should go that route instead??
I think they are charging around $105. Animal genetics is only $35 for PSSM 1 and I think $85 for the five panel, but AQHA won't accept those results at this time. Hopefully that will change in the future! |
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| Only $35 for PSSM1 test?! I will have to look them up, thank you! Do you mean that AQHA isn't accepting all Animal Genetics testing or just the 5 panel? |
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Location: Iowa, LA | ChicksInferno - 2014-01-14 12:09 PM Only $35 for PSSM1 test?! I will have to look them up, thank you! Do you mean that AQHA isn't accepting all Animal Genetics testing or just the 5 panel?
At this time AQHA will not acknowledge Animal Genetics test results as official for the use of the new stallion requirements. But Animal Genetics is fast and if you are wanting results quick, would be a good route to go. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | 5 panel testing:
Animal Genetics is $95. (suppose to be faster) Holds no weight with AQHA.
AQHA is $85. (takes 4-6 weeks)
I ordered my test kit from AQHA by phone on 1-3-14. Got it either 1-11-14 or 1-13-14. I have it ready to send in now.  |
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Location: Iowa, LA | OregonBR - 2014-01-14 12:27 PM
5 panel testing:
Animal Genetics is $95. (suppose to be faster) Holds no weight with AQHA.
AQHA is $85. (takes 4-6 weeks)
I ordered my test kit from AQHA by phone on 1-3-14. Got it either 1-11-14 or 1-13-14. I have it ready to send in now.
Thank you for clarifying! I've only ordered the PSSM test from AG. |
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annemarea - 2014-01-12 5:34 PM
There is actually a list of positive horses on the FB forum, but the studies that trace PSSM 1 back I believe have used initials only...such as YJ for Yellow Jacket and SDB for Sonny Dee Bar. Appycowgirl could explain better than I could. I've been more interested in finding common ancestors for PSSM 2.
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Location: Downsouth | I have been waiting for three days for someone to accept my request to join the FB forum. It's cold outside and I need some new reading material.  |
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Location: Iowa, LA | I wanted to share this from the FB forum in hopes of encouraging/helping others. I'll copy and paste only my statements on the discussion....hopefully this works :-)
"I wanted to share to show that PSSM horses can be competitive! My PSSM Type 2 mare qualified in the 2D for the 2013 NBHA World Show with only making a handful of runs due to us thinking she needed stifle surgery. The whole time her funny back end "lameness" was because I was allowing her pasture turnout and my grass is too rich for her! Not too bad an accomplishment for a horse who was still hurting! Hopefully, this year we can do even better!"
"She did all the work! She's a trooper for working through her pain and trying so hard. I'm so glad I finally know how to make her feel better."
"I can try to post a video of one of our runs! I am actually wanting to make some videos of her on and off of grass so that people can see the very slight symptoms of PSSM. Most would probably not even think they are symptoms...but I know her like the back of my hand and can see/feel the slight differences in her when she is hurting even slightly!
Btw....her muscle biopsy was graded as Moderate."
"No doubt this mare could have had a really rough life in the hands of someone who thought she was just being a beeyatch! This mare tried to throw me several times and was HOT HOT HOT! Like bat crazy on crack HOT! LOL When she is hurting, she can be flat out dangerous!"
" If I don't work her hard/long enough daily, she will lope rough/hoppy! So again, diet and exercise are equally important!"
"This mare had: upper and lower hocks injected and Xrayed multiple times, stifles injected and Xrayed, stifles internally blistered, stifle ligament surgery, SI and whorl bone injections....nothing helped her until I realized it was the PSSM doing it!"
" It is amazing how once you have one PSSM horse, you can recognize another one by all those little symptoms! I knew almost immediately what was wrong with Derby! He just had all these little clues that gave me a good indication he was positive, too. Made his life much easier and saved me vet bills."
"And the thing that REALLY aggravates me is that my vet new well that this mare had tied up on me before, yet never mentioned PSSM."
"I'm going to share with you guys something that will make you realize how important exercise is to make these horses feel their absolute best! My mare can be very back sore and cinchy when hurting (my gelding TOO!) and she used to come unglued when I would tighten the cinch. Now, I have ALWAYS, on every horse that I own, tighten a little, then walk them a little, then tighten some more....never do I just crank down on them. Well, this mare would pull back, lay down, break leads, panic, dance around when she saw me coming with saddle, etc. After the diet change, ever so slowly those symptoms became less and less until she stopped. However, if I miss a day of working her they will come back. Well, I had been putting her on the hot walker daily to get her ready to start riding about a month ago. The first time I saddled her she moved around a little, but no major panic. This continued because I wasn't doing more than a walk for an hour and taking it slow. One day I decided to work her twice that day. I put her on the walker for an hour that morning at a walk. That evening I rode her 40 minutes at a walk and did 5 minutes of slow trotting. The next day that mare did not move one step and was totally relaxed when I saddled her. Just having that extra workout made all the difference for her. That's why I say, the harder I work her, the better she feels. It's those little things that others might not consider symptoms, but they are. And her reaction to being saddled is totally dependent on how she was worked the previous day!"
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Location: Montana | OregonBR - 2014-01-14 11:27 AM 5 panel testing:
Animal Genetics is $95. (suppose to be faster) Holds no weight with AQHA.
AQHA is $85. (takes 4-6 weeks)
I ordered my test kit from AQHA by phone on 1-3-14. Got it either 1-11-14 or 1-13-14. I have it ready to send in now.
I sent in for a 5 panel and DNA test from AQHA more than 10 days ago, and I've checked with the credit union and AQHA hasn't even deposited/cashed my check yet. But, I imagine there are a lot of people trying to get their (DNA)testing done for breeding season. I guess I'll just have to be patient.  Between AQHA and USPS, it will probably be June before I get any results.
My mare has never tied up (to my knowledge, no symptoms of it), but has quite a few of the symptoms of PSSM (and the symptoms, of course, that are interchangeable between type 1 and type 2). And now that I think about it, when I got her back from the trainer's about 4 years ago, he said she would be best if she was worked every day, which is, unfortunately not plausible for me. |
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Location: Iowa, LA | mtcanchazer - 2014-01-26 6:13 PM OregonBR - 2014-01-14 11:27 AM 5 panel testing:
Animal Genetics is $95. (suppose to be faster) Holds no weight with AQHA.
AQHA is $85. (takes 4-6 weeks)
I ordered my test kit from AQHA by phone on 1-3-14. Got it either 1-11-14 or 1-13-14. I have it ready to send in now.
Yes, they are so high maintenance! And anytime you hear a trainer say things like "needs a job" or "needs to be worked every day" or "needs rode hard" your ears should perk up and think about this disorder. I'm sure it's gonna be quite crazy with everyone trying to get their tests done! Good luck! Hope you aren't waiting too long! |
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