dhdqhllc - 2013-11-27 1:31 PM


 possibly....and i'm just throwing this out there as a crazy thought.......there may ssomeday be barrel races where the faster horse actually wins more money....??????

TXBO - 2013-11-27 12:03 PM Are you crazy or just have a death wish? 

barrelracr131 - 2013-11-27 12:35 PM What if I told you





RWR and Chuck Norris were THE SAME PERSON 

AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:29 PM


It is the truth. I'm sorry. My first horse was 4D. He ran around the barrels - no training or anything. My second horse was 3D - sometimes falling in the 2D, he was a nice horse when he was younger.
My moms mare can be 1D if you're aggressive enough on her, but I haven't rode her much.

So therefore, from someone who has been ALL OVER the board, I see the care that a 1D horse needs versus a 4D.

My 4D had no training, the 1D horse had lots of training. There went people's lively hoods. Why bother paying for barrel training if you can potential make the same money without it.

The more effort a horse puts into their job the more prone they are to needed chiropractic work, massage therapy, injections, supplements, etc.

So again. Tell me about my simple way of thinking.

For the person who makes a living at training horses, selling them, and so forth. What is the point of putting all the time and effort into one to get the same price for it no matter if it's better than another?!

AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 12:29 PM


It is the truth. I'm sorry. My first horse was 4D. He ran around the barrels - no training or anything. My second horse was 3D - sometimes falling in the 2D, he was a nice horse when he was younger.
My moms mare can be 1D if you're aggressive enough on her, but I haven't rode her much.

So therefore, from someone who has been ALL OVER the board, I see the care that a 1D horse needs versus a 4D.

My 4D had no training, the 1D horse had lots of training. There went people's lively hoods. Why bother paying for barrel training if you can potential make the same money without it.

The more effort a horse puts into their job the more prone they are to needed chiropractic work, massage therapy, injections, supplements, etc.

So again. Tell me about my simple way of thinking.

For the person who makes a living at training horses, selling them, and so forth. What is the point of putting all the time and effort into one to get the same price for it no matter if it's better than another?!

*robin* - 2013-11-27 1:37 PM


Physical law does not support the assumption that a 1D horse requires more care, carries more wear and tear on its joints than a lower D horse. There are absolutely way too many variables to simplify it so.
I can confidently say though that the majority of high level dressage horse do require more maintenance and will carry more wear and tear on its joints than a barrel race horse reqardless the barrel horse's level.
I have been all over the board as well with a heavy influence of equine med and therapy. I am just not pulling it out my well you get the pic.

AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:42 PM


I am in the therapy business as well.
And how the heck can you go from a 1D barrel horse - to a lower D - TO A high level dressage horse?!

The ability of a high level dressage horse is unreal, all those unnatural movements - THAT IS NOT EASY. Hence why they have a tendency to develop kissing spine. So, removing you rather invalid case on a barrel horse to a dressage horse. . .

You have few instances of the "tough horses" and ones that aren't so "tough" in both the 1D to the 4D. Some do require more care.

So we went in and brought a completely different sport into play - lets grab a high school football player and a pro football player, ask them which requires more maintenance.

AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 12:17 PM But you DONT have the same bills! Horses are generally more expensive the better they are. Horses that are 1D horses vs 3D/4D work A LOT harder therefore require more care. The ability to be able to ride one takes time too. If we have Equal Payouts why would I bother paying $1,500+ for a decent stallion breeding when I can potentially make the same profit off of a $100 stud fee?!

AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:42 PM


I am in the therapy business as well.
And how the heck can you go from a 1D barrel horse - to a lower D - TO A high level dressage horse?!

The ability of a high level dressage horse is unreal, all those unnatural movements - THAT IS NOT EASY. Hence why they have a tendency to develop kissing spine. So, removing you rather invalid case on a barrel horse to a dressage horse. . .

You have few instances of the "tough horses" and ones that aren't so "tough" in both the 1D to the 4D. Some do require more care.

So we went in and brought a completely different sport into play - lets grab a high school football player and a pro football player, ask them which requires more maintenance.

*robin* - 2013-11-27 1:45 PM


You are correct I wandered over to the dressage side...lol.
So if you are in therapy you have studied equine motion and should understand all the variables?

AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:50 PM


So tell me about a 4D horse that runs around the barrels versus a 1D horse that puts effort into pushing off of a barrel, running hard into a barrel and slowing themselves down enough to turn, just to push off again.

You mean to tell me that the same tear is coming from one who RUNS around the barrels versus the one that pushes themselves to their maximum capabilities?

yogibear81 - 2013-11-27 12:50 PM I haven't read all the replies but when NBHA came to Mississippi in 1993 the first several shows paid equal 33 1/3% each D split 5 ways....

*robin* - 2013-11-27 1:54 PM


I'm not following. Turn styles do not dictate the D a horse is going to place in? Turn styles also do not denote wear and tear on the joints unless you try and cram a square peg in a round hole. Forcing a horse to work against its natural way of going is just asking for unsoundness or forcing you in a lower D.

yogibear81 - 2013-11-27 12:50 PM I haven't read all the replies but when NBHA came to Mississippi in 1993 the first several shows paid equal 33 1/3% each D split 5 ways. I was running a pony at the time and won the 3D one night and was tickled I had won as much as the rodeo girls winning the 1D. That equal money opportunity brought everybody with a horse, mule, or alpaca to our shows. We were used to having about 30 people running in the open jackpot barrels in our winter series. We started having 150 running in these new fangled NBHAs. Like I said, this only lasted about a half a season. All the 1D people got together, said it wasn't fair that people like me (I was used as a specific example) were winning as much as them. So they went to a 60, 30, 10 split. We of course still went, but we lost a lot of runners and the 1D lost those big checks they were looking to pull. To each their own. I think it's awesome that some of you have that option to run for equal money. But honestly if you don't like it don't run. That's why I don't go to the big 3 day shows any more. For one I don't have a good enough horse. Number two I've gotten tired of donating because really running 4D/5D is a crap shoot after the 1D. I'll stick to running local, having fun, and breaking even when I can.

TXBO - 2013-11-27 12:55 PM  How do you split 33 1/3% five ways?