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Location: PNW | dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 11:33 AM
lol...yes...i did nit pick it......and not arguing about ways to stop spread.....but......do those with b-days during flu or rsv season not have b-day parties, to limit exposure????? Â seems to me i haven't seen someone do that???Â
You're a pain. In the same way my husband is.... You both nitpick and make me have to think too hard, too early in the day. :)
So I'll answer this instead of your other question because this isn't going to drag us into tiny circles :)
My son's birthday is in November (he's 18 months now). When he was four months old, we went to a neighbor kid's birthday party, when we showed up the first thing we noticed was a bunch of snotty-nosed children. Because my son was born 4 weeks premature with a heart condition (in the middle of yuck season) we had been extra cautious where we took him and had made sure to call the hosts and double check that nobody that was going to be there had been sick recently or was actively sick. We left as soon as we could without making a stink - and five days later were admitted to the hospital for RSV, and remained there for 5 days. I called the host and asked why she hadn't mentioned THAT HER KIDS WERE SICK, and she said "oh it's just a little cold."
Should birthdays be banned during yuck season? No. Should people use some common sense and exercise some social decency? Yes. If your kid is sick, don't tell me he's healthy and invite me and mine over. If my kid is sick, I won't come to your house. If your kid is sick, please don't come to mine.
Happy Wednesday DHD!
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Location: PNW | EmtRoper - 2014-04-30 11:38 AM
dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 11:33 AM
lol...yes...i did nit pick it......and not arguing about ways to stop spread.....but......do those with b-days during flu or rsv season not have b-day parties, to limit exposure????? Â seems to me i haven't seen someone do that???Â
Last I checked this was about he EQUINE virus not to squabble over something that is related to humans. Come on if you guys are going to nit pick over something that is not equine related in this thread and is about not traveling to birthday parties. please either start another thread or pm each other.
We ARE talking about spread/continuation of the outbreak. This was in response to me asking "if this was a human issue, would people still be up in the air about quarantine. And then DHD asked a follow-up question. We didn't high jack the thread for goodness sake - there are like six different convos happening between people in this thread - ours was discussing the human/horse relationship and since we don't barrel race our children, I used the example of a birthday party. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 11:43 AM Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:32 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 11:26 AM Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:14 AM Horse-racin - 2014-04-30 11:02 AM Just to be clear --- should we stay home from local jackpots that ARE NOT overnight stalled races -races that we just haul in, run and leave? I completely understand about hauling and stalling for several days but want to be clear on the local jackpots. Talk to YOUR vet or a state vet. Don't take social media advice on things of this magnitude. I posted a link to the UC Davis webinar last night and it had some very, very good information that was backed by strong scientific data. Don't assume someone on FB or BHW knows better.
I am all for bio security and we have made some choices including staying home from BRF and the R4R. I am not pointing fingers at those who went, its their choice and for the VAST majority it seems a safe choice.
This is beside the topics of the above paragraphs and I won't be a poplular statement but there certainly wasn't his outrage before the BRF. The virus was just as prevalent then, the timeline if anything was more suspect at that point. Now fewer people have less money on the line and there is a massive outcry to cancel or not go. Lets be fair here, everything stayed civil at that time. Like it or not we ALL have a dog in the fight with all these events and what could come of them. Just because your entry check isn't sitting at RHR don't think others aren't invested financially, emotionally in this deal. Again, not pointing at any certain post and I've pulled horses from both events, just a little frustrated that a huge event earlier didn't get near this level heat and now that its a smaller crowd involved in the current debated event the convo has gotten so hot. Do I agree that maybe postponement would be best ? YOU BET I DO. But I don't agree with people who were ok with hauling when the case suited them later going public against those who are looking at doing exactly the same thing. Just asking everyone to remember these decisions aren't easy, info, even from vets is conflicting and their are a million different viewpoints.
Possibly its just being touchy on it after so much frustration. Just asking everyone to look at the big picture, be careful and keep in mind everyone is invested in different things in different areas so please, voice opinions in a way that doesn't add to this stress.
Basically just asking people to keep in mind that not being entered in an event (this weekends or others) makes it much easier to say cancel, don't go, postpone but there are those who DO have to make that choice and it will be a difficult one so keep that in mind.
Just for conversation....it is NOT just the R4R but the Big J in Waterloo, IA that is digging it's heels in and not postponing or letting people out of the entries. I don't think so many people would be "up in arms" IF the producers would let people out with minimal costs to the contestant. | |
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Location: North Dakota | NJJ - 2014-04-30 11:50 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 11:43 AM Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:32 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 11:26 AM Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:14 AM Horse-racin - 2014-04-30 11:02 AM Just to be clear --- should we stay home from local jackpots that ARE NOT overnight stalled races -races that we just haul in, run and leave? I completely understand about hauling and stalling for several days but want to be clear on the local jackpots. Talk to YOUR vet or a state vet. Don't take social media advice on things of this magnitude. I posted a link to the UC Davis webinar last night and it had some very, very good information that was backed by strong scientific data. Don't assume someone on FB or BHW knows better.
I am all for bio security and we have made some choices including staying home from BRF and the R4R. I am not pointing fingers at those who went, its their choice and for the VAST majority it seems a safe choice.
This is beside the topics of the above paragraphs and I won't be a poplular statement but there certainly wasn't his outrage before the BRF. The virus was just as prevalent then, the timeline if anything was more suspect at that point. Now fewer people have less money on the line and there is a massive outcry to cancel or not go. Lets be fair here, everything stayed civil at that time. Like it or not we ALL have a dog in the fight with all these events and what could come of them. Just because your entry check isn't sitting at RHR don't think others aren't invested financially, emotionally in this deal. Again, not pointing at any certain post and I've pulled horses from both events, just a little frustrated that a huge event earlier didn't get near this level heat and now that its a smaller crowd involved in the current debated event the convo has gotten so hot. Do I agree that maybe postponement would be best ? YOU BET I DO. But I don't agree with people who were ok with hauling when the case suited them later going public against those who are looking at doing exactly the same thing. Just asking everyone to remember these decisions aren't easy, info, even from vets is conflicting and their are a million different viewpoints.
Possibly its just being touchy on it after so much frustration. Just asking everyone to look at the big picture, be careful and keep in mind everyone is invested in different things in different areas so please, voice opinions in a way that doesn't add to this stress.
Basically just asking people to keep in mind that not being entered in an event (this weekends or others) makes it much easier to say cancel, don't go, postpone but there are those who DO have to make that choice and it will be a difficult one so keep that in mind.
Yes. I just always bring up R4R since I personally know almost everyone entered and the producers. | |
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Location: Kansas | This is a 100% serious question.....what are the symptoms linked to EHV-1???
My best friends mare is having issues currently, but no fever, almost like she "isn't here" acts out of it, slow respirations, and a racing heart beat, and only slight nasal discharge. Vet tubed her, banamine, everything but won't come out of it......vet doesn't know what it is. | |
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Location: PNW | hoofs_in_motion - 2014-04-30 11:53 AM
This is a 100% serious question.....what are the symptoms linked to EHV-1???
My best friends mare is having issues currently, but no fever, almost like she "isn't here" acts out of it, slow respirations, and a racing heart beat, and only slight nasal discharge. Vet tubed her, banamine, everything but won't come out of it......vet doesn't know what it is.
Towards the start of this thread, somebody posted a link I believe. | |
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| NJJ - 2014-04-30 11:50 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 11:43 AM Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:32 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 11:26 AM Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:14 AM Horse-racin - 2014-04-30 11:02 AM Just to be clear --- should we stay home from local jackpots that ARE NOT overnight stalled races -races that we just haul in, run and leave? I completely understand about hauling and stalling for several days but want to be clear on the local jackpots. Talk to YOUR vet or a state vet. Don't take social media advice on things of this magnitude. I posted a link to the UC Davis webinar last night and it had some very, very good information that was backed by strong scientific data. Don't assume someone on FB or BHW knows better.
I am all for bio security and we have made some choices including staying home from BRF and the R4R. I am not pointing fingers at those who went, its their choice and for the VAST majority it seems a safe choice.
This is beside the topics of the above paragraphs and I won't be a poplular statement but there certainly wasn't his outrage before the BRF. The virus was just as prevalent then, the timeline if anything was more suspect at that point. Now fewer people have less money on the line and there is a massive outcry to cancel or not go. Lets be fair here, everything stayed civil at that time. Like it or not we ALL have a dog in the fight with all these events and what could come of them. Just because your entry check isn't sitting at RHR don't think others aren't invested financially, emotionally in this deal. Again, not pointing at any certain post and I've pulled horses from both events, just a little frustrated that a huge event earlier didn't get near this level heat and now that its a smaller crowd involved in the current debated event the convo has gotten so hot. Do I agree that maybe postponement would be best ? YOU BET I DO. But I don't agree with people who were ok with hauling when the case suited them later going public against those who are looking at doing exactly the same thing. Just asking everyone to remember these decisions aren't easy, info, even from vets is conflicting and their are a million different viewpoints.
Possibly its just being touchy on it after so much frustration. Just asking everyone to look at the big picture, be careful and keep in mind everyone is invested in different things in different areas so please, voice opinions in a way that doesn't add to this stress.
Basically just asking people to keep in mind that not being entered in an event (this weekends or others) makes it much easier to say cancel, don't go, postpone but there are those who DO have to make that choice and it will be a difficult one so keep that in mind.
I find it terribly disappointing that producers aren't applauding people and offering refunds to those who are choosing not to go to their events after they might have been exposed. | |
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| After speaking with the owners of the most recent ND case, I knowtheir horse appeared normal until it started displaying neurological symptoms. The horse did not come in for its grain and was unable to walk without assistance.
To the best of my recollection ( I wasn't exactly taking notes during the conversation) the horse did have a fever.
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Location: Here | hoofs_in_motion - 2014-04-30 11:53 AM This is a 100% serious question.....what are the symptoms linked to EHV-1???
My best friends mare is having issues currently, but no fever, almost like she "isn't here" acts out of it, slow respirations, and a racing heart beat, and only slight nasal discharge. Vet tubed her, banamine, everything but won't come out of it......vet doesn't know what it is.
Dr. Keith Roehr, Colorado State Veterinarian, continues to encourage horse owners to practice good biosecurity to limit the risk of EHM. An excellent resource regarding EHM can be found in USDA’s brochure: Equine Herpesvirus (EHV) Myeloencephalopathy. http://www.aphis.usda.gov/vs/nahss/equine/ehv/equine_herpesvirus_brochure_2009.pdf
Important recommendations for horse owners:
• Contact your veterinarian if your horse has a fever or is showing signs of illness
• Limit horse-to-horse contact at equine events
• Best biosecurity practice on returning home from an equine event is to isolate and take temperatures on the participating horses for 7 days
• EHV-1 can by spread on tack, grooming equipment, feed/water buckets, and people’s hands or clothing – do not share among horses or clean properly between use
• Biosecurity strategies can be found in USDA’s brochure: Biosecurity – The Key to Keeping Your Horses Healthy http://www.aphis.usda.gov/publications/animal_health/2011/bro_keep_horses_healthy.pdf | |
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Location: stalking Gail... | Nateracer - 2014-04-30 10:55 AM NJJ - 2014-04-30 11:50 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 11:43 AM Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:32 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 11:26 AM Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:14 AM Horse-racin - 2014-04-30 11:02 AM Just to be clear --- should we stay home from local jackpots that ARE NOT overnight stalled races -races that we just haul in, run and leave? I completely understand about hauling and stalling for several days but want to be clear on the local jackpots. Talk to YOUR vet or a state vet. Don't take social media advice on things of this magnitude. I posted a link to the UC Davis webinar last night and it had some very, very good information that was backed by strong scientific data. Don't assume someone on FB or BHW knows better.
I am all for bio security and we have made some choices including staying home from BRF and the R4R. I am not pointing fingers at those who went, its their choice and for the VAST majority it seems a safe choice.
This is beside the topics of the above paragraphs and I won't be a poplular statement but there certainly wasn't his outrage before the BRF. The virus was just as prevalent then, the timeline if anything was more suspect at that point. Now fewer people have less money on the line and there is a massive outcry to cancel or not go. Lets be fair here, everything stayed civil at that time. Like it or not we ALL have a dog in the fight with all these events and what could come of them. Just because your entry check isn't sitting at RHR don't think others aren't invested financially, emotionally in this deal. Again, not pointing at any certain post and I've pulled horses from both events, just a little frustrated that a huge event earlier didn't get near this level heat and now that its a smaller crowd involved in the current debated event the convo has gotten so hot. Do I agree that maybe postponement would be best ? YOU BET I DO. But I don't agree with people who were ok with hauling when the case suited them later going public against those who are looking at doing exactly the same thing. Just asking everyone to remember these decisions aren't easy, info, even from vets is conflicting and their are a million different viewpoints.
Possibly its just being touchy on it after so much frustration. Just asking everyone to look at the big picture, be careful and keep in mind everyone is invested in different things in different areas so please, voice opinions in a way that doesn't add to this stress.
Basically just asking people to keep in mind that not being entered in an event (this weekends or others) makes it much easier to say cancel, don't go, postpone but there are those who DO have to make that choice and it will be a difficult one so keep that in mind.
And Mother Nature has not been helping in getting rid of this virus. We have not had the warm dry weather needed to help erradicate this virus. It is still cold and wet up in the this part of the country with no end in site.
It is to bad the warnings were not taken more seriously a month ago by these big barrel events and their producers. They chose to downplay it because the virus was only effecting the states of MN and WI...and swept it under the rug. It is nice they are now stepping up and getting the word out...a little to late for those that had horses affected...
And yes...people can use the excuse that they have to much money tied up in EFs, stall fees, etc...blame the producers becasue they will not refund your fees (even partial)...but really...is it worth it...
The bottom line question...do you want to play russian roulette with your horse? if the answer is yes...enter up. if the answer is no...stay home and hug your horse.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | EmtRoper - 2014-04-30 11:58 AM Agreed to this, I agree that many people would be fine paying an office fee or even another "processing" fee if they could get the majority of their money back. I would think about more what happens for the years to come because people will not come because of how things were handled this year.
^^^^ THIS……it would certainly make my decision easier in the future as to which Producers were more interested in their OWN “bottomline” than in the health and welfare of the equine industry. IF they CAN’T or WON’T postpone, they could, at the very least, let the contestants “choose” to attend by letting them out of the entries with minimal costs…..it is the DECENT thing to do! | |
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Location: North Dakota | NJJ - 2014-04-30 12:14 PM EmtRoper - 2014-04-30 11:58 AM Agreed to this, I agree that many people would be fine paying an office fee or even another "processing" fee if they could get the majority of their money back. I would think about more what happens for the years to come because people will not come because of how things were handled this year. ^^^^ THIS……it would certainly make my decision easier in the future as to which Producers were more interested in their OWN “bottomline” than in the health and welfare of the equine industry. IF they CAN’T or WON’T postpone, they could, at the very least, let the contestants “choose” to attend by letting them out of the entries with minimal costs…..it is the DECENT thing to do!
I had a clinic scheduled for March that I had to cancel so I lost money out of my own pocket PLUS lost the potential income of the clinic but I did not want to risk any horses. I made the choice easy for those that were signed up. | |
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Location: North Dakota | Here is a quote from RHR back on March 31st.
"We, along with the Central Minnesota Team Penning Association, have decided to cancel the upcoming penning scheduled for April 5-6 due to the newest confirmed cases of EHV-1. Again, this is purely a precautionary measure and is NOT due to any issues with horses that are or have been to Red Horse. We would ask that everyone take the proper precautions and stay put with your horses until this threat passes. If we all cooperate in this manner, the threat will go away quicker. Thank you for your cooperation."
So how come the change in attitude now? Also this facility is not just an event facility. It is a boarding facility as well. Not only are they putting horses of owners that are making the choice to go at risk but the horses of owners that have no choice. I think their TOP priority should be the health of the horses that are boarded there.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Dhdqhllc brings up a very important point here with the comparison of human influenza and this EHV-1 virus. The answer is pretty simple. Obviously, in humans we recommend all those things that minimize risk. One big difference is that in humans, vaccines do lessen risk substantially, but it's definitely not a 100% effective measure. Flu vaccines probably absolutely protect about 2/3rds of those vaccinated - or so it is said. Of the remaining 1/3rd, they tend to get milder forms of influenza, so the vaccine affords at least partial protection, and lessens the chances of the deadly manifestations. I guess you could say the immune system is "primed" to combat the flu in those cases. There is a lot out there about influenza vaccines not reducing the mortality risk, compared to unvaccinated people, but if you look carefully at reputable studies published in reputable literature/journals, I think the weight of evidence supports that influenza vaccines do make a positive significant difference. Other than that, we tell people to take common sense precautions.....hand washing, avoidance of sick individuals, good rest and nutrition, even the correct way to cover your mouth when sneezing and coughing, and even avoiding crowded areas if possible. While that latter obviously isn't always practical, I would still recommend people, especially elderly, to avoid crowded areas if possible.
With this EHV-1 similar recommendations are made. The big difference is that vaccines don't appear to directly effect the disease, except that it supposedly reduces the viral "shedding" by horses who carry it and are vaccinated.
Like I said, we will hopefully see the one most effective measure soon come into play......warm weather and good ole mother nature. Until then, I think if you want to absolutely minimize risk, you stay home, vaccinate, and urge others to follow your lead. | |
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | Just Bring It - 2014-04-29 4:26 PM
HotbearLVR - 2014-04-29 6:16 PM I didn't realize they have a backup date for the R2R. I guess I can't understand why they don't play it safe and move the race back, if that's the case. After all I've been saying about this virus, I would be a hypocrite to turn around and go. I'm staying home.
Good choice Scott. I hope they pull their heads out of their butts and at least refund those that choose to stay home.Â
I will not be entering the Prospectors Challenge either if they do not want to take our horse's health into consideration.Â
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| jlm65 - 2014-04-30 12:12 PM Nateracer - 2014-04-30 10:55 AM NJJ - 2014-04-30 11:50 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 11:43 AM Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:32 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 11:26 AM Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:14 AM Horse-racin - 2014-04-30 11:02 AM Just to be clear --- should we stay home from local jackpots that ARE NOT overnight stalled races -races that we just haul in, run and leave? I completely understand about hauling and stalling for several days but want to be clear on the local jackpots. Talk to YOUR vet or a state vet. Don't take social media advice on things of this magnitude. I posted a link to the UC Davis webinar last night and it had some very, very good information that was backed by strong scientific data. Don't assume someone on FB or BHW knows better.
I am all for bio security and we have made some choices including staying home from BRF and the R4R. I am not pointing fingers at those who went, its their choice and for the VAST majority it seems a safe choice.
This is beside the topics of the above paragraphs and I won't be a poplular statement but there certainly wasn't his outrage before the BRF. The virus was just as prevalent then, the timeline if anything was more suspect at that point. Now fewer people have less money on the line and there is a massive outcry to cancel or not go. Lets be fair here, everything stayed civil at that time. Like it or not we ALL have a dog in the fight with all these events and what could come of them. Just because your entry check isn't sitting at RHR don't think others aren't invested financially, emotionally in this deal. Again, not pointing at any certain post and I've pulled horses from both events, just a little frustrated that a huge event earlier didn't get near this level heat and now that its a smaller crowd involved in the current debated event the convo has gotten so hot. Do I agree that maybe postponement would be best ? YOU BET I DO. But I don't agree with people who were ok with hauling when the case suited them later going public against those who are looking at doing exactly the same thing. Just asking everyone to remember these decisions aren't easy, info, even from vets is conflicting and their are a million different viewpoints.
Possibly its just being touchy on it after so much frustration. Just asking everyone to look at the big picture, be careful and keep in mind everyone is invested in different things in different areas so please, voice opinions in a way that doesn't add to this stress.
Basically just asking people to keep in mind that not being entered in an event (this weekends or others) makes it much easier to say cancel, don't go, postpone but there are those who DO have to make that choice and it will be a difficult one so keep that in mind.
It is to bad the warnings were not taken more seriously a month ago by these big barrel events and their producers. They chose to downplay it because the virus was only effecting the states of MN and WI...and swept it under the rug. It is nice they are now stepping up and getting the word out...a little to late for those that had horses affected...
And yes...people can use the excuse that they have to much money tied up in EFs, stall fees, etc...blame the producers becasue they will not refund your fees (even partial)...but really...is it worth it...
The bottom line question...do you want to play russian roulette with your horse? if the answer is yes...enter up. if the answer is no...stay home and hug your horse.
My entries were due the week after Bonus. This was 4-5 days before the 1st horse was Euthanized, much less the 2nd. I probably wouldn't have entered if I had known prior to the due date. | |
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Location: ND | EmtRoper - 2014-04-30 11:38 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 11:33 AM lol...yes...i did nit pick it......and not arguing about ways to stop spread.....but......do those with b-days during flu or rsv season not have b-day parties, to limit exposure????? seems to me i haven't seen someone do that??? Last I checked this was about he EQUINE virus not to squabble over something that is related to humans. Come on if you guys are going to nit pick over something that is not equine related in this thread and is about not traveling to birthday parties. please either start another thread or pm each other.
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Location: ND | my kids would love to be stalled at a big arena and barrel raced.....dang horse kids.......i suppose that should make this more relevant then, right?????
by the way....happy wednesday!!!!!!
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