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"Epstein’s little black book and flight logs read like a virtual Who’s Who: Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Larry Summers, Kevin Spacey, Prince Andrew, and Naomi Campbell all hitched rides on Epstein’s private planes. Socialites and distinguished scientists went to visit Epstein’s island in St. Thomas, and cavorted at epic dinner parties at his palatial townhouse—then the largest privately owned residence in New York, as he liked to brag. There, they picked at elaborate meals catered by celebrity chefs like Rocco DiSpirito, marvelled at Epstein’s opulent decor, and noted the pack of very, very young model-types with whom Epstein always seemed to surround himself."
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | SloRide - 2016-11-02 10:11 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/30/the-billionaire-pe...
"Epstein’s little black book and flight logs read like a virtual Who’s Who: Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Larry Summers, Kevin Spacey, Prince Andrew, and Naomi Campbell all hitched rides on Epstein’s private planes. Socialites and distinguished scientists went to visit Epstein’s island in St. Thomas, and cavorted at epic dinner parties at his palatial townhouse—then the largest privately owned residence in New York, as he liked to brag. There, they picked at elaborate meals catered by celebrity chefs like Rocco DiSpirito, marvelled at Epstein’s opulent decor, and noted the pack of very, very young model-types with whom Epstein always seemed to surround himself."
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | RidenFly - 2016-11-02 10:26 PM How could any Democrat remain in denial to the enormous amount of evidence of corruption and depravity? Its disgusting.
i really want to ask my dad that question but im afraid i would be booted out of the will. He and i do not see much of each other thru elections. hes a  | |
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| Vickie - 2016-11-01 12:04 PM
Bear - 2016-11-01 12:55 PM IB1UKNO - 2016-11-01 11:14 AM I Voted- Did not use the 'straight party' vote! Took great pride in voting for each individual DEMOCRATIC candidate. And was joyful in my vote against tRump/pence/PUTIN You are cute, I bet. You just have a certain endearing quality about you. I love your sense of humor too.
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| 3canstorun - 2016-11-01 2:22 PM
SloRide - 2016-11-01 3:11 PM I liked his plan for debt free college. I do understand that it would be harder for people to get into college under that plan. I do not think that is a bad thing. We got a lot of mediocre collage grads that skimmed through in a C average or got worthless degrees from degree mills. I really think anyone should have access to debt free college. The idea that we are passing up on great, leaders, doctors, scientists and teachers because those people are concerned about the financial risk bothers me. He is also for single payer health care. I think we can all agree that health is a of a mess. When you come out of a major health crisis completely bankrupt even when you have insurance, there is something wrong with that set up. Rich or poor, you should get access to health care. I like his views on environmental issues. He said in his first debate that global climate change was the biggest threat to national security. People thought he was mad. Just this month the Pentagon stated that climate change is a growing threat to our national security. I agree with him on immigration. We need to take the incentive out of hiring illegals. We should have legal options for foreign workers too, but we need to have much bigger fines for hiring illegals. I like his stance on guns. I think he is very reasonable on that subject. Prochoice Pro gay rights Anti TPP Doesn't like Netanyahu or much of Israelsome policies. He has good character. People bash on him because he received unemployment benefits when he was younger. When I look at what we have to choose from it kind of makes me laugh. Oh and he calls himself a DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST. Scary stuff right there. But it was not meant to be. DNC tossed him under the bus. Rigged their debates and primary.
Who do you think is going to pay for Debt Free College? Nothing in this world is free. The government is going to tax the crap out of you to pay for someone else who won't work and raise their own money or get scholarships. You think you will get better doctors, etc by free college? Think again.Â
Single payor health insurance? How do you think that will work out?  You will get taxed more to pay for people who choose not to work. When everything gets handed to people and there are no consequences - i.e., working, you create a bigger problem. Thus, the problem right now we have with entitlements' food stamps, welfare etc.Â
You think we need more government control on environmental? Again, way off balance.Â
You need to think about the long term affects of all of what you mentioned.  The world isn't fair.  And, it was never meant to be. The world wasn't meant to be equal either. It if was - we would all be robots.Â
Sanders did not say "debt" free he said "tuition" free. As someone paying for her daughter's college right now I can assure you the tuition is the cheapest part. The cost of living is the most expensive. My daughter's tuition/books has been on avg $3k semester. She will graduate next fall. She started at Jr college, transferring to Tarleton after 2 yrs, lived at home, worked and graduates next May with no student loans for. Approximately 25k total for her bachelor's degree.
1) you cannot keep piling debt via "free programs" on the working class bc eventually the $ runs out and we're all screwed
2) there ARE ways to go to college without debt or very little debt. This generation of entitlement and thinking they are owed the full college experience needs to change. Want something, WORK for it | |
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Location: Kansas | iloveequine40 - 2016-11-03 8:28 AM 3canstorun - 2016-11-01 2:22 PM SloRide - 2016-11-01 3:11 PM I liked his plan for debt free college. I do understand that it would be harder for people to get into college under that plan. I do not think that is a bad thing. We got a lot of mediocre collage grads that skimmed through in a C average or got worthless degrees from degree mills. I really think anyone should have access to debt free college. The idea that we are passing up on great, leaders, doctors, scientists and teachers because those people are concerned about the financial risk bothers me. He is also for single payer health care. I think we can all agree that health is a of a mess. When you come out of a major health crisis completely bankrupt even when you have insurance, there is something wrong with that set up. Rich or poor, you should get access to health care. I like his views on environmental issues. He said in his first debate that global climate change was the biggest threat to national security. People thought he was mad. Just this month the Pentagon stated that climate change is a growing threat to our national security. I agree with him on immigration. We need to take the incentive out of hiring illegals. We should have legal options for foreign workers too, but we need to have much bigger fines for hiring illegals. I like his stance on guns. I think he is very reasonable on that subject. Prochoice Pro gay rights Anti TPP Doesn't like Netanyahu or much of Israelsome policies. He has good character. People bash on him because he received unemployment benefits when he was younger. When I look at what we have to choose from it kind of makes me laugh. Oh and he calls himself a DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST. Scary stuff right there. But it was not meant to be. DNC tossed him under the bus. Rigged their debates and primary. Who do you think is going to pay for Debt Free College? Nothing in this world is free. The government is going to tax the crap out of you to pay for someone else who won't work and raise their own money or get scholarships. You think you will get better doctors, etc by free college? Think again.
Single payor health insurance? How do you think that will work out? You will get taxed more to pay for people who choose not to work. When everything gets handed to people and there are no consequences - i.e., working, you create a bigger problem. Thus, the problem right now we have with entitlements' food stamps, welfare etc.
You think we need more government control on environmental? Again, way off balance.
You need to think about the long term affects of all of what you mentioned. The world isn't fair. And, it was never meant to be. The world wasn't meant to be equal either. It if was - we would all be robots. Sanders did not say "debt" free he said "tuition" free. As someone paying for her daughter's college right now I can assure you the tuition is the cheapest part. The cost of living is the most expensive. My daughter's tuition/books has been on avg $3k semester. She will graduate next fall. She started at Jr college, transferring to Tarleton after 2 yrs, lived at home, worked and graduates next May with no student loans for. Approximately 25k total for her bachelor's degree. 1 ) you cannot keep piling debt via "free programs" on the working class bc eventually the $ runs out and we're all screwed 2 ) there ARE ways to go to college without debt or very little debt. This generation of entitlement and thinking they are owed the full college experience needs to change. Want something, WORK for it
My sister's kids all graduated from Pitt State in Kansas. They worked their little fannies off to help pay the way through school mostly as cooks and waitresses. Now they're all grown up and have wonderful successful lives. They learned ethics and how to take care of business. | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Frodo - 2016-11-03 10:35 AM iloveequine40 - 2016-11-03 8:28 AM 3canstorun - 2016-11-01 2:22 PM SloRide - 2016-11-01 3:11 PM I liked his plan for debt free college. I do understand that it would be harder for people to get into college under that plan. I do not think that is a bad thing. We got a lot of mediocre collage grads that skimmed through in a C average or got worthless degrees from degree mills. I really think anyone should have access to debt free college. The idea that we are passing up on great, leaders, doctors, scientists and teachers because those people are concerned about the financial risk bothers me. He is also for single payer health care. I think we can all agree that health is a of a mess. When you come out of a major health crisis completely bankrupt even when you have insurance, there is something wrong with that set up. Rich or poor, you should get access to health care. I like his views on environmental issues. He said in his first debate that global climate change was the biggest threat to national security. People thought he was mad. Just this month the Pentagon stated that climate change is a growing threat to our national security. I agree with him on immigration. We need to take the incentive out of hiring illegals. We should have legal options for foreign workers too, but we need to have much bigger fines for hiring illegals. I like his stance on guns. I think he is very reasonable on that subject. Prochoice Pro gay rights Anti TPP Doesn't like Netanyahu or much of Israelsome policies. He has good character. People bash on him because he received unemployment benefits when he was younger. When I look at what we have to choose from it kind of makes me laugh. Oh and he calls himself a DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST. Scary stuff right there. But it was not meant to be. DNC tossed him under the bus. Rigged their debates and primary. Who do you think is going to pay for Debt Free College? Nothing in this world is free. The government is going to tax the crap out of you to pay for someone else who won't work and raise their own money or get scholarships. You think you will get better doctors, etc by free college? Think again.
Single payor health insurance? How do you think that will work out? You will get taxed more to pay for people who choose not to work. When everything gets handed to people and there are no consequences - i.e., working, you create a bigger problem. Thus, the problem right now we have with entitlements' food stamps, welfare etc.
You think we need more government control on environmental? Again, way off balance.
You need to think about the long term affects of all of what you mentioned. The world isn't fair. And, it was never meant to be. The world wasn't meant to be equal either. It if was - we would all be robots. Sanders did not say "debt" free he said "tuition" free. As someone paying for her daughter's college right now I can assure you the tuition is the cheapest part. The cost of living is the most expensive. My daughter's tuition/books has been on avg $3k semester. She will graduate next fall. She started at Jr college, transferring to Tarleton after 2 yrs, lived at home, worked and graduates next May with no student loans for. Approximately 25k total for her bachelor's degree. 1 ) you cannot keep piling debt via "free programs" on the working class bc eventually the $ runs out and we're all screwed 2 ) there ARE ways to go to college without debt or very little debt. This generation of entitlement and thinking they are owed the full college experience needs to change. Want something, WORK for it
My daughter and son both did. Both of them showed livestock while they were in middle/high school. They both worked too. Half of that money went into their savings. They both got scholarships. They also worked during college.
My son has 2 bachelors and my daughter is a Nurse Practioner. Both debt free. They paid for it all. And, before they were 30.
It can be done.
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Location: Nebraska | 3canstorun - 2016-11-03 9:38 AM Frodo - 2016-11-03 10:35 AM iloveequine40 - 2016-11-03 8:28 AM 3canstorun - 2016-11-01 2:22 PM SloRide - 2016-11-01 3:11 PM I liked his plan for debt free college. I do understand that it would be harder for people to get into college under that plan. I do not think that is a bad thing. We got a lot of mediocre collage grads that skimmed through in a C average or got worthless degrees from degree mills. I really think anyone should have access to debt free college. The idea that we are passing up on great, leaders, doctors, scientists and teachers because those people are concerned about the financial risk bothers me. He is also for single payer health care. I think we can all agree that health is a of a mess. When you come out of a major health crisis completely bankrupt even when you have insurance, there is something wrong with that set up. Rich or poor, you should get access to health care. I like his views on environmental issues. He said in his first debate that global climate change was the biggest threat to national security. People thought he was mad. Just this month the Pentagon stated that climate change is a growing threat to our national security. I agree with him on immigration. We need to take the incentive out of hiring illegals. We should have legal options for foreign workers too, but we need to have much bigger fines for hiring illegals. I like his stance on guns. I think he is very reasonable on that subject. Prochoice Pro gay rights Anti TPP Doesn't like Netanyahu or much of Israelsome policies. He has good character. People bash on him because he received unemployment benefits when he was younger. When I look at what we have to choose from it kind of makes me laugh. Oh and he calls himself a DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST. Scary stuff right there. But it was not meant to be. DNC tossed him under the bus. Rigged their debates and primary. Who do you think is going to pay for Debt Free College? Nothing in this world is free. The government is going to tax the crap out of you to pay for someone else who won't work and raise their own money or get scholarships. You think you will get better doctors, etc by free college? Think again.
Single payor health insurance? How do you think that will work out? You will get taxed more to pay for people who choose not to work. When everything gets handed to people and there are no consequences - i.e., working, you create a bigger problem. Thus, the problem right now we have with entitlements' food stamps, welfare etc.
You think we need more government control on environmental? Again, way off balance.
You need to think about the long term affects of all of what you mentioned. The world isn't fair. And, it was never meant to be. The world wasn't meant to be equal either. It if was - we would all be robots. Sanders did not say "debt" free he said "tuition" free. As someone paying for her daughter's college right now I can assure you the tuition is the cheapest part. The cost of living is the most expensive. My daughter's tuition/books has been on avg $3k semester. She will graduate next fall. She started at Jr college, transferring to Tarleton after 2 yrs, lived at home, worked and graduates next May with no student loans for. Approximately 25k total for her bachelor's degree. 1 ) you cannot keep piling debt via "free programs" on the working class bc eventually the $ runs out and we're all screwed 2 ) there ARE ways to go to college without debt or very little debt. This generation of entitlement and thinking they are owed the full college experience needs to change. Want something, WORK for it
My son has 2 bachelors and my daughter is a Nurse Practioner. Both debt free. They paid for it all. And, before they were 30.
It can be done.
I graduated from a private nursing school that cost over $13k/year (7 semester total program) with around 22k in loans. I had a full ride to a university where I got all my gen ed's done. It drives me crazy that my generation believes they don't need to work through school and that they can just live off their loan money or their parents. My ex husband told me he couldn't possibly work because he was going to school full time. He was taking crap classes like POWER YOGA. I busted my butt working 20-40 hours a week to put myself through school and still managed to keep my horses, barrel race, and graduate with a 3.8 gpa all while married to a hubby in the military who gave me no money. I was lucky though that my mother allowed me to live at home. | |
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| brlracerchick - 2016-11-03 9:54 AM
3canstorun - 2016-11-03 9:38 AM Frodo - 2016-11-03 10:35 AM iloveequine40 - 2016-11-03 8:28 AM 3canstorun - 2016-11-01 2:22 PM SloRide - 2016-11-01 3:11 PM I liked his plan for debt free college. I do understand that it would be harder for people to get into college under that plan. I do not think that is a bad thing. We got a lot of mediocre collage grads that skimmed through in a C average or got worthless degrees from degree mills. I really think anyone should have access to debt free college. The idea that we are passing up on great, leaders, doctors, scientists and teachers because those people are concerned about the financial risk bothers me. He is also for single payer health care. I think we can all agree that health is a of a mess. When you come out of a major health crisis completely bankrupt even when you have insurance, there is something wrong with that set up. Rich or poor, you should get access to health care. I like his views on environmental issues. He said in his first debate that global climate change was the biggest threat to national security. People thought he was mad. Just this month the Pentagon stated that climate change is a growing threat to our national security. I agree with him on immigration. We need to take the incentive out of hiring illegals. We should have legal options for foreign workers too, but we need to have much bigger fines for hiring illegals. I like his stance on guns. I think he is very reasonable on that subject. Prochoice Pro gay rights Anti TPP Doesn't like Netanyahu or much of Israelsome policies. He has good character. People bash on him because he received unemployment benefits when he was younger. When I look at what we have to choose from it kind of makes me laugh. Oh and he calls himself a DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST. Scary stuff right there. But it was not meant to be. DNC tossed him under the bus. Rigged their debates and primary. Who do you think is going to pay for Debt Free College? Nothing in this world is free. The government is going to tax the crap out of you to pay for someone else who won't work and raise their own money or get scholarships. You think you will get better doctors, etc by free college? Think again.Â
Single payor health insurance? How do you think that will work out?  You will get taxed more to pay for people who choose not to work. When everything gets handed to people and there are no consequences - i.e., working, you create a bigger problem. Thus, the problem right now we have with entitlements' food stamps, welfare etc.Â
You think we need more government control on environmental? Again, way off balance.Â
You need to think about the long term affects of all of what you mentioned.  The world isn't fair.  And, it was never meant to be. The world wasn't meant to be equal either. It if was - we would all be robots. Sanders did not say "debt" free he said "tuition" free. As someone paying for her daughter's college right now I can assure you the tuition is the cheapest part. The cost of living is the most expensive. My daughter's tuition/books has been on avg $3k semester. She will graduate next fall. She started at Jr college, transferring to Tarleton after 2 yrs, lived at home, worked and graduates next May with no student loans for. Approximately 25k total for her bachelor's degree. 1 ) you cannot keep piling debt via "free programs" on the working class bc eventually the $ runs out and we're all screwed 2 ) there ARE ways to go to college without debt or very little debt. This generation of entitlement and thinking they are owed the full college experience needs to change. Want something, WORK for it
My son has 2 bachelors and my daughter is a Nurse Practioner. Both debt free. They paid for it all. And, before they were 30.Â
It can be done.Â
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All examples have different circumstances but the end result was very much the same.
I really get frustrated listening to people regurgitate their connotation of what is being said. The only thing people supporting the free college seem to here is FREE. I understand that everything is open to interpretation but let's try to keep it in perspective. I'd also like anyone who supports FREE and public college education go visit a high school classroom full of juniors and seniors to understand how far the "everyone is entitled to a free and public education system" has gotten us. | |
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