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Location: GA | AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:56 PM
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Sooo if all the 2-5d horses don't deserve to get paid the same even though it cost us the same to entry fee, fuel, feed, vet bills, maybe we just need to stay home and then the 1D horses can run against each other for a WHOLE LOT less money. I am a supporter of equal payouts. There are more horses that run in the 2-5d at a big race than in the 1D. JMO
But you DONT have the same bills!
Horses are generally more expensive the better they are.
Horses that are 1D horses vs 3D/4D work A LOT harder therefore require more care.
The ability to be able to ride one takes time too.
If we have Equal Payouts why would I bother paying $1,500+ for a decent stallion breeding when I can potentially make the same profit off of a $100 stud fee?!
Lol oh no you didn't just go there?
What is with you peeps and your simple way of thinking?
It is the truth. I'm sorry. My first horse was 4D. He ran around the barrels - no training or anything. My second horse was 3D - sometimes falling in the 2D, he was a nice horse when he was younger.
My moms mare can be 1D if you're aggressive enough on her, but I haven't rode her much.
So therefore, from someone who has been ALL OVER the board, I see the care that a 1D horse needs versus a 4D.
My 4D had no training, the 1D horse had lots of training. There went people's lively hoods. Why bother paying for barrel training if you can potential make the same money without it.
The more effort a horse puts into their job the more prone they are to needed chiropractic work, massage therapy, injections, supplements, etc.
So again. Tell me about my simple way of thinking.
For the person who makes a living at training horses, selling them, and so forth. What is the point of putting all the time and effort into one to get the same price for it no matter if it's better than another?!
Physical law does not support the assumption that a 1D horse requires more care, carries more wear and tear on its joints than a lower D horse. There are absolutely way too many variables to simplify it so.
I can confidently say though that the majority of high level dressage horse do require more maintenance and will carry more wear and tear on its joints than a barrel race horse reqardless the barrel horse's level.
I have been all over the board as well with a heavy influence of equine med and therapy. I am just not pulling it out my well you get the pic.
I am in the therapy business as well.
And how the heck can you go from a 1D barrel horse - to a lower D - TO A high level dressage horse?!
The ability of a high level dressage horse is unreal, all those unnatural movements - THAT IS NOT EASY. Hence why they have a tendency to develop kissing spine. So, removing you rather invalid case on a barrel horse to a dressage horse. . .
You have few instances of the "tough horses" and ones that aren't so "tough" in both the 1D to the 4D. Some do require more care.
So we went in and brought a completely different sport into play - lets grab a high school football player and a pro football player, ask them which requires more maintenance.
You are correct I wandered over to the dressage side...lol.
So if you are in therapy you have studied equine motion and should understand all the variables?
So tell me about a 4D horse that runs around the barrels versus a 1D horse that puts effort into pushing off of a barrel, running hard into a barrel and slowing themselves down enough to turn, just to push off again.
You mean to tell me that the same tear is coming from one who RUNS around the barrels versus the one that pushes themselves to their maximum capabilities?
I'm not following. Turn styles do not dictate the D a horse is going to place in? Turn styles also do not denote wear and tear on the joints unless you try and cram a square peg in a round hole. Forcing a horse to work against its natural way of going is just asking for unsoundness or forcing you in a lower D.
I do not say unnatural - I simply stated maximum capabilities.
Have you ever watched barrel racing?!
A majority of the 4D horses RUN around the barrels, they don't put as much effort into a run as the open horses do.
That is not in ALL cases, but in MOST.
Barrel racing. Me heck no scares the beejeevies out of me. I won't even walk in the same pasture with a barrel horse. They are loones. Certifiable.
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Location: ND | barrelracr131 - 2013-11-27 12:58 PM TXBO - 2013-11-27 12:55 PM yogibear81 - 2013-11-27 12:50 PM I haven't read all the replies but when NBHA came to Mississippi in 1993 the first several shows paid equal 33 1/3% each D split 5 ways.... How do you split 33 1/3% five ways?
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Location: Midwest | dhdqhllc - 2013-11-27 1:02 PM barrelracr131 - 2013-11-27 12:58 PM TXBO - 2013-11-27 12:55 PM yogibear81 - 2013-11-27 12:50 PM I haven't read all the replies but when NBHA came to Mississippi in 1993 the first several shows paid equal 33 1/3% each D split 5 ways.... How do you split 33 1/3% five ways?
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Location: mi | TXBO - 2013-11-27 1:55 PM yogibear81 - 2013-11-27 12:50 PM I haven't read all the replies but when NBHA came to Mississippi in 1993 the first several shows paid equal 33 1/3% each D split 5 ways.... How do you split 33 1/3% five ways?
I had to reread that a couple of times. What I think was being said is they had a 3D with the money split 33 1/3% in each D. Then busted up into the top 5 of each D. | |
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| Haven't read all the replies, but I don't think the payouts should be equal.
The Olympics sure don't give everyone a Gold medal just for showing up to their event. It is a competition. Those who perform the best on that day should be rewarded for their efforts.
Barrel racing is the same. It is a speed event and a competition. Those who perform the best on that particular day should be rewarded for doing so. Either you like the way the game is played or you don't. If you don't like it, stop playing rather than complain until you get your way. JMO | |
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| No. It should not be equal. Why should it? A great percentage of the top D's are that way not because they had deeper pocket books, but because they have a true desire and actually go out and practice and give it a 100%.
Life isn't fair. Competiton is a wonderful motivator.
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| dhdqhllc - 2013-11-27 12:56 PM yogibear81 - 2013-11-27 12:50 PM I haven't read all the replies but when NBHA came to Mississippi in 1993 the first several shows paid equal 33 1/3% each D split 5 ways. I was running a pony at the time and won the 3D one night and was tickled I had won as much as the rodeo girls winning the 1D. That equal money opportunity brought everybody with a horse, mule, or alpaca to our shows. We were used to having about 30 people running in the open jackpot barrels in our winter series. We started having 150 running in these new fangled NBHAs. Like I said, this only lasted about a half a season. All the 1D people got together, said it wasn't fair that people like me (I was used as a specific example) were winning as much as them. So they went to a 60, 30, 10 split. We of course still went, but we lost a lot of runners and the 1D lost those big checks they were looking to pull. To each their own. I think it's awesome that some of you have that option to run for equal money. But honestly if you don't like it don't run. That's why I don't go to the big 3 day shows any more. For one I don't have a good enough horse. Number two I've gotten tired of donating because really running 4D/5D is a crap shoot after the 1D. I'll stick to running local, having fun, and breaking even when I can. something actually worth reading on here.....
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Location: Midwest | TXBO - 2013-11-27 2:38 PM dhdqhllc - 2013-11-27 12:56 PM yogibear81 - 2013-11-27 12:50 PM I haven't read all the replies but when NBHA came to Mississippi in 1993 the first several shows paid equal 33 1/3% each D split 5 ways. I was running a pony at the time and won the 3D one night and was tickled I had won as much as the rodeo girls winning the 1D. That equal money opportunity brought everybody with a horse, mule, or alpaca to our shows. We were used to having about 30 people running in the open jackpot barrels in our winter series. We started having 150 running in these new fangled NBHAs. Like I said, this only lasted about a half a season. All the 1D people got together, said it wasn't fair that people like me (I was used as a specific example) were winning as much as them. So they went to a 60, 30, 10 split. We of course still went, but we lost a lot of runners and the 1D lost those big checks they were looking to pull. To each their own. I think it's awesome that some of you have that option to run for equal money. But honestly if you don't like it don't run. That's why I don't go to the big 3 day shows any more. For one I don't have a good enough horse. Number two I've gotten tired of donating because really running 4D/5D is a crap shoot after the 1D. I'll stick to running local, having fun, and breaking even when I can. something actually worth reading on here.....
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Location: southeast Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2013-11-27 12:37 PM There is only one Chuck Norris and nobody can be Chuck but Chuck 
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| If you like equal payouts why not have each place in each D pay the same? Why reward the faster times in each D???? | |
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Location: southeast Texas | rodeomom3 - 2013-11-27 3:21 PM If you like equal payouts why not have each place in each D pay the same? Why reward the faster times in each D????
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | roxieannie - 2013-11-27 3:17 PM Southtxponygirl - 2013-11-27 12:37 PM There is only one Chuck Norris and nobody can be Chuck but Chuck
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Location: OK | Ahhh, I look at it like this. If you aren't in the 1D, and if there were no jackpots, you would NEVER win a check ANYWHERE if it weren't for the D system. That being said, everything after the 1D checks are a total gamble, and we should be glad we are getting a check to offset cost of hauling.
Those of you who believe your 4D horse, maintenance, time and trouble are exactly the same as having a 1D/rodeo horse are either fooling yourselves or (IMO) you are putting an awful lot of $ and work into a horse who may not be worth that trouble IF you aren't happy with how you're clocking. I know for me, if I had to sink a bunch of $ and time into a horse, and he's 1.5 seconds off, I'm getting a different horse because I want a better investment of my time.
I don't believe in equal payout at all. I think the elite should be appreciated and rewarded over the ones who don't dedicate themselves as much. I don't judge anyone for what D they land in, but I don't think I deserve the big $ when I ride 3 times a week and work a full time job and clock in the 3D either. Lately, I'm in the 3D alot.
A high school diploma won't get you a job as a doctor (Thank God). You have to invest in yourself, invest your time and money. You have to want it. If you want to advance, you have to figure out how to get it and then go get it.
I think the mentality that everybody should get the same rewards is what's wrong with alot of things. Equal rewards takes away the desire in you to win.
YOU are the ones who choose how to spend your time, be it with work, kids, other hobbies etc. We all have the same 24 hour days. There are those who are strict and dedicated. Be proud when they win, they deserve it!!!
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Location: Oz, Kansas | jojammer - 2013-11-27 2:44 PM Ahhh, I look at it like this. If you aren't in the 1D, and if there were no jackpots, you would NEVER win a check ANYWHERE if it weren't for the D system. That being said, everything after the 1D checks are a total gamble, and we should be glad we are getting a check to offset cost of hauling. Those of you who believe your 4D horse, maintenance, time and trouble are exactly the same as having a 1D/rodeo horse are either fooling yourselves or (IMO) you are putting an awful lot of $ and work into a horse who may not be worth that trouble IF you aren't happy with how you're clocking. I know for me, if I had to sink a bunch of $ and time into a horse, and he's 1.5 seconds off, I'm getting a different horse because I want a better investment of my time. I don't believe in equal payout at all. I think the elite should be appreciated and rewarded over the ones who don't dedicate themselves as much. I don't judge anyone for what D they land in, but I don't think I deserve the big $ when I ride 3 times a week and work a full time job and clock in the 3D either. Lately, I'm in the 3D alot. A high school diploma won't get you a job as a doctor (Thank God). You have to invest in yourself, invest your time and money. You have to want it. If you want to advance, you have to figure out how to get it and then go get it. I think the mentality that everybody should get the same rewards is what's wrong with alot of things. Equal rewards takes away the desire in you to win. YOU are the ones who choose how to spend your time, be it with work, kids, other hobbies etc. We all have the same 24 hour days. There are those who are strict and dedicated. Be proud when they win, they deserve it!!!
What are you the voice of reason or something? 
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Location: Washington | jojammer - 2013-11-27 1:44 PM Ahhh, I look at it like this. If you aren't in the 1D, and if there were no jackpots, you would NEVER win a check ANYWHERE if it weren't for the D system. That being said, everything after the 1D checks are a total gamble, and we should be glad we are getting a check to offset cost of hauling. Those of you who believe your 4D horse, maintenance, time and trouble are exactly the same as having a 1D/rodeo horse are either fooling yourselves or (IMO) you are putting an awful lot of $ and work into a horse who may not be worth that trouble IF you aren't happy with how you're clocking. I know for me, if I had to sink a bunch of $ and time into a horse, and he's 1.5 seconds off, I'm getting a different horse because I want a better investment of my time. I don't believe in equal payout at all. I think the elite should be appreciated and rewarded over the ones who don't dedicate themselves as much. I don't judge anyone for what D they land in, but I don't think I deserve the big $ when I ride 3 times a week and work a full time job and clock in the 3D either. Lately, I'm in the 3D alot. A high school diploma won't get you a job as a doctor (Thank God). You have to invest in yourself, invest your time and money. You have to want it. If you want to advance, you have to figure out how to get it and then go get it. I think the mentality that everybody should get the same rewards is what's wrong with alot of things. Equal rewards takes away the desire in you to win. YOU are the ones who choose how to spend your time, be it with work, kids, other hobbies etc. We all have the same 24 hour days. There are those who are strict and dedicated. Be proud when they win, they deserve it!!!
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | If it was not for all the D's barrel races there would not be much of barrel racing now adays. It has giving every level of barrel horse and rider a chance at something they can be proud of. Even the very green rider has a chance to compete and come back a winner in their D. To me it has opened up a whole new world for all the barrel horse trainers and breeders. Befor the D's were even started the barrel racing world was not going anywhere, but look at it now WOW. | |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2013-11-27 3:56 PM If it was not for all the D's barrel races there would not be much of barrel racing now adays. It has giving every level of barrel horse and rider a chance at something they can be proud of. Even the very green rider has a chance to compete and come back a winner in their D. To me it has opened up a whole new world for all the barrel horse trainers and breeders. Befor the D's were even started the barrel racing world was not going anywhere, but look at it now WOW.
Absolutely!! D's have changed the sport. I go to equal pay out races and also support sliding scale. I see nothing wrong with paying more to the faster D's. It is about where you end up, not how you got there. If life were like that everyone who puts in a 10 hour work day would all get paid the same-it is how productive you are. | |
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Location: GA | What makes some of you people think that the time, money, effort, desire, etc is not put into the lower D horses as the 1D horse? Not all horses are meant to be 1D horses and not all riders are meant to be 1D riders. To think otherwise is delusional. Also what in the world makes you think you are the elite and should be appreciated? Get over yourself. Without the lower D horse/riders you wouldn’t be anything. Again I am not for equal payout and believe the horse/rider team that clocks the fastest should be rewarded as such.
There will always be a 1D horse in the divisional races whether you self believed elite show up or not. And if it is costing you a fortune to maintain your elite horse perhaps you should take a look at your program and re-evaluate it. I have had a few of those and for the life of me just ain’t seeing it.
For some reason that just irked my arse.
I have always appreciated any horse and or rider that contributed to the pot and even more so if I was on the taking side of it.
Some of you need to be giving thanks a bit early or start your own barrel race association based on the old days of straight races if you can't hack rodeo. Just sayin...
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| lookout hill - 2013-11-27 4:47 PM jojammer - 2013-11-27 2:44 PM Ahhh, I look at it like this. If you aren't in the 1D, and if there were no jackpots, you would NEVER win a check ANYWHERE if it weren't for the D system. That being said, everything after the 1D checks are a total gamble, and we should be glad we are getting a check to offset cost of hauling. Those of you who believe your 4D horse, maintenance, time and trouble are exactly the same as having a 1D/rodeo horse are either fooling yourselves or (IMO) you are putting an awful lot of $ and work into a horse who may not be worth that trouble IF you aren't happy with how you're clocking. I know for me, if I had to sink a bunch of $ and time into a horse, and he's 1.5 seconds off, I'm getting a different horse because I want a better investment of my time. I don't believe in equal payout at all. I think the elite should be appreciated and rewarded over the ones who don't dedicate themselves as much. I don't judge anyone for what D they land in, but I don't think I deserve the big $ when I ride 3 times a week and work a full time job and clock in the 3D either. Lately, I'm in the 3D alot. A high school diploma won't get you a job as a doctor (Thank God). You have to invest in yourself, invest your time and money. You have to want it. If you want to advance, you have to figure out how to get it and then go get it. I think the mentality that everybody should get the same rewards is what's wrong with alot of things. Equal rewards takes away the desire in you to win. YOU are the ones who choose how to spend your time, be it with work, kids, other hobbies etc. We all have the same 24 hour days. There are those who are strict and dedicated. Be proud when they win, they deserve it!!! What are you the voice of reason or something?
Everything you said was spot on.
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| *robin* - 2013-11-27 5:35 PM What makes some of you people think that the time, money, effort, desire, etc is not put into the lower D horses as the 1D horse? Not all horses are meant to be 1D horses and not all riders are meant to be 1D riders. To think otherwise is delusional. Also what in the world makes you think you are the elite and should be appreciated? Get over yourself. Without the lower D horse/riders you wouldn’t be anything. Again I am not for equal payout and believe the horse/rider team that clocks the fastest should be rewarded as such. There will always be a 1D horse in the divisional races whether you self believed elite show up or not. And if it is costing you a fortune to maintain your elite horse perhaps you should take a look at your program and re-evaluate it. I have had a few of those and for the life of me just ain’t seeing it. For some reason that just irked my arse. I have always appreciated any horse and or rider that contributed to the pot and even more so if I was on the taking side of it. Some of you need to be giving thanks a bit early or start your own barrel race association based on the old days of straight races if you can't hack rodeo. Just sayin...
I have very seldom ever run in the 1D, ran in the 2D a good bit, the 3D quite a bit and recently because of a horse that is doing a good job of humbling me to get him figured out, I've even made a bit of 4D money. I have put just as many hours etc. into this 4D horse (if we're lucky that day) as any horse I've ever ridden BUT I do not think for one minute we should make the same amount of money as a 1D, 2D or 3D placer.....all in good time, hopefully I'll have him up in a higher division. I'm not delusional at all, I am well aware of the time most barrel racers put into their horses but it's not all about time and effort, it's about talent, skill and athleticism from horse and rider alike. | |
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