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| rodeomom3 - 2014-03-17 3:31 PM
FlyingJT - 2014-03-17 3:20 PM For those of you that are joining this thread that haven't taken the time to read it, here is a few things to ponder when passing your judgment. Mary and Christy are close and I would assume that what Ms Loflin says is fairly close to spot on, one side of the story but more knowledge of the situation than just about anyone else on here. loflin06 - 2014-03-16 9:25 PM For the record here let's get a few facts straight: Latte was purchased by the Walkers from the Cogburns for $120,000 and they own 90% of Lattle. Cogburns retained 10% interest in him. He was paid IN FULL at the time of the sale. He is going up for auction to determine his value not because there is money owed by the Walkers. At this time there are two separate cases pending to determine if Walkers owe Cogburns or Cogburns owe Walkers. This is a very complicated situation and sadly as a result of the high profile of this amazing team rumors and lies have been spread like wild fire. he is the only asset in the Walker/Cogburn llc corporation. Therefore when you are ordered to dissolve a corporation and determine the value of the shares the assets are sold. the highest bidder will go home with the horse. If Latte sells for $100,000 Walkers will receive $90,000 as they own 90% and the other party will receive $10,000. I can assure you that the Walkers have every intention and the funds to purchase Latte from this auction. Unfortunately this means they will have bought him twice. Christy Loflin is incorrect. Β Her post is no more fact than any other on here. Β Yes, she is close to Mary, her hauling partner so I take her version with a grain of salt just as you would those close to Cheri. Β There are posts on here from those just as close to Cheri as Christy is to Mary and they say it is a simple case of non payment by the Walkers. Β Also there are post from those close to the situation that say the $$ will go into a trust till Cheri is paid.
With out reading the court records NO ONE KNOWS the truth here. It's just sounds like he said she said. And to me it sounds like the Judge could not figure it out either. To me it sounds like splitting the baby. |
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       Location: Utah | My understanding is that a check was issued and cashed for buyint the remaining 10% prior to the 2012 NFR but now that person wants the 10% of the winnings too. |
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The only people who know what happened/what's happening are those directly involved. I hope it gets sorted out and that everything will be ok in the end. I don't think all the speculation and bickering is going to do anything...
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   Location: Texas | Ksjackofalltrades....can you ride my horse for me?  |
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      Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | 3rdtimesacharm - 2014-03-17 3:55 PM
Ksjackofalltrades....can you ride my horse for me? 
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   Location: Texas | ksjackofalltrades - 2014-03-17 3:58 PM 3rdtimesacharm - 2014-03-17 3:55 PM Ksjackofalltrades....can you ride my horse for me?  Umm, no. I don't ride.
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| ana - 2014-03-17 3:52 PM My understanding is that a check was issued and cashed for buyint the remaining 10% prior to the 2012 NFR but now that person wants the 10% of the winnings too. If that were true why would the horse still be listed as owned by both parties?? Wouldn't you change the papers to sole ownership if you owned him outright?
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| Interesting read...I will be curious about how it turns out.
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| I agree with KSJackofalltrades. First of all the equistat earnings being referred to don't even come close to what Mary won on that horse. I personally watched her run and win rodeo after rodeo on him at CPRA/UPRA rodeos in TX and I was there and entered and saw the horse. So the equistat #'s are far misleading and deceiving. They know what a horse is worth and would never have paid $120,000 for one that wasn't worth it in every way.
There are several morals to this story. Business is business and a contract is enforceable so don't enter into an agreement and then not abide by it. I'm not saying that is what happened here. I'm saying be careful what you ever agree to. This is a perfect example of why a written bill of sale should be signed by both parties anytime a horse is sold, especially an expensive horse. It needs to be thorough and well written to cover any "expressed or implied warranties or future obligations", etc...
If the remarks another poster made are correct and the Walkers will receive 90% of the proceeds from the sale of Latte, then this is a win-win situation for them. They will pay only 10% of his worth to own him free and clear and be rid of any "partnership". I know at least 3 potential buyers for that horse that are capable of paying up to $1 million or more for him and I doubt he goes anywhere near 100,000. But if he sells much higher to a new buyer, look at the $$ they will be receiving. Either way, they can't lose!
I hate what is happening for Mary's sake. She has done a fabulous job riding and training him and she is a sweetheart to talk to. I'm convinced no matter who ends up with him, he will be very well taken care of and treated like a prince. |
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| That is one way to look at the bright side. They will be getting one hefty check if they do not get him in the sale. |
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      Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | quickdraw - 2014-03-17 4:16 PM I agree with KSJackofalltrades. First of all the equistat earnings being referred to don't even come close to what Mary won on that horse. I personally watched her run and win rodeo after rodeo on him at CPRA/UPRA rodeos in TX and I was there and entered and saw the horse. So the equistat #'s are far misleading and deceiving. They know what a horse is worth and would never have paid $120,000 for one that wasn't worth it in every way. There are several morals to this story. Business is business and a contract is enforceable so don't enter into an agreement and then not abide by it. I'm not saying that is what happened here. I'm saying be careful what you ever agree to. This is a perfect example of why a written bill of sale should be signed by both parties anytime a horse is sold, especially an expensive horse. It needs to be thorough and well written to cover any "expressed or implied warranties or future obligations", etc... If the remarks another poster made are correct and the Walkers will receive 90% of the proceeds from the sale of Latte, then this is a win-win situation for them. They will pay only 10% of his worth to own him free and clear and be rid of any "partnership". I know at least 3 potential buyers for that horse that are capable of paying up to $1 million or more for him and I doubt he goes anywhere near 100,000. But if he sells much higher to a new buyer, look at the $$ they will be receiving. Either way, they can't lose! I hate what is happening for Mary's sake. She has done a fabulous job riding and training him and she is a sweetheart to talk to. I'm convinced no matter who ends up with him, he will be very well taken care of and treated like a prince.
I agree with some of what you say, but I think will bring more than 100k. Especially with the cloning issue. What will get the Walkers is taxes. If he were to bring say 500k then they would get 450k. Wouldn't they have to pay taxes on that amount? |
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      Location: California | Just out of curiosity, how old is that horse and how long has he been running? |
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     Location: OH. IO | loflin06 - 2014-03-16 11:25 PM For the record here let's get a few facts straight: Latte was purchased by the Walkers from the Cogburns for $120,000 and they own 90% of Lattle. Cogburns retained 10% interest in him. He was paid IN FULL at the time of the sale. He is going up for auction to determine his value not because there is money owed by the Walkers. At this time there are two separate cases pending to determine if Walkers owe Cogburns or Cogburns owe Walkers. This is a very complicated situation and sadly as a result of the high profile of this amazing team rumors and lies have been spread like wild fire. When Latte was purchased for Mary to help ease the pain of the unimaginable loss of her son he simply had less the $1,500 in equistat earnings to he resume. Mary and Latte have a bond and an amazing partnership! As anyone on here knows, the bond between a horse and rider runs deep. Loosing Latte would be devastating to say the least. Let's all be respectful of her situation and stick to the facts.
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     Location: Northeast Nebraska | Runninformoney - 2014-03-16 11:49 PM Money the root of evil!! This makes me so sad the biggest loss is probably a friendship worth more than money. I hope Mary keeps Latte and Cogburn gets her money.
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| Β I seriously doubt if someone with funds like what Jud Little or the Schiller's have that Walkers will be able to retain ownership of Latte, JMHO. |
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    Location: Deep South | SKM - 2014-03-17 6:06 PM
Β I seriously doubt if someone with funds like what Jud Little or the Schiller's have that Walkers will be able to retain ownership of Latte, JMHO.
Serious question, do the Schiller's or Jud Little ever invest in something other than mares and stallions? Would they bother putting up this kind of cash for a gelding? |
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