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Location: Beggs, OK | I was fortunate enough just now to receive my very own personal phone call from Jason Hartley with ADM.
Per Jason:
The FDA has set no allowable limits on Monensin in horse feed.
Our published research shows that horses were exposed to a feed with 33ppm for 28 days and showed no signs of illness or backed away from the feed.
The only way to get our point across to this company and all the rest is to only support MONENSIN FREE mills. Jason would not even respond to my suggestion that they separate their operations and only produce medicated cattle feed in facilities that do not produce feed for horses.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-06 2:53 PM I was fortunate enough just now to receive my very own personal phone call from Jason Hartley with ADM.
Per Jason:
The FDA has set no allowable limits on Monensin in horse feed.
Our published research shows that horses were exposed to a feed with 33ppm for 28 days and showed no signs of illness or backed away from the feed.
The only way to get our point across to this company and all the rest is to only support MONENSIN FREE mills. Jason would not even respond to my suggestion that they separate their operations and only produce medicated cattle feed in facilities that do not produce feed for horses.
This tells me one thing..They don't give a crap. I'll never buy another product from this company. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | want2chase3 - 2015-02-06 12:42 PM SKM - 2015-02-06 12:28 PM TwistedK - 2015-02-06 10:40 AM Nevertooold - 2015-02-06 11:37 AM Sandok - 2015-02-06 11:32 AM So now what about Nutrena?? I am checking in to BlueBonnet but am still feeding the Nutrena. Call Nutrena and ask if they make medicated cattle feed at the same location of the horse feed. Each mill might be different and the feed tag on your feed will say what plant it came from. It will be abbreviated with a few letters. I was told all Nutrena sold in OK stores (TSC, etc ) is manufactured in a mill in OKC which is safe. Cargill manufacturers Nutrena and Triple Crown. Most plants are ionophore free. BUT the plant in Sterling CO mixes BOTH and does use Rumensin which is monensin. I posted what they told me a few pages back. That's where it gets dicey for me feeding the tc. Because another company actually manufactures it... we contact triple crown when really should we be talking directly to cargill?? That part got me confused. Lol! I got to thinking early this morning of when I ever had health issues with any of my horses. It hit me that when my older gelding started acting funny suddenly one afternoon. .. it was just a day or 2 after I had been talked into feeding ADM 12% Patriot. He looked "off" went of his feed and became very lethargic and very depressed. We hauled him to the vet .. his blood work showed pretty normal temp was normal and vet said it wasn't colic like symptoms. This was several Several months ago so who knows. They gave him some banamine and we just waited it out. Gave him something for ulcers too. I didn't feed him anymore after that incident, in fact I returned all the feed. Looking back it sure makes me wonder if that's what happened to him...
Correct me if I'm wrong...There can be hot spots with this stuff in a bag where one horse might be okay and another will show signs of being sick. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Sandok - 2015-02-06 3:03 PM Anyone know anything about Lakeland Animal Nutrition? Seems the toxin has been found in their feed also. They were fined and made a settlement with horse owners. I'll try to find the article about it.
Meant to add they are no longer going to manufacture horse feed.
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Location: Beggs, OK | Nevertooold - 2015-02-06 3:00 PM want2chase3 - 2015-02-06 12:42 PM SKM - 2015-02-06 12:28 PM TwistedK - 2015-02-06 10:40 AM Nevertooold - 2015-02-06 11:37 AM Sandok - 2015-02-06 11:32 AM So now what about Nutrena?? I am checking in to BlueBonnet but am still feeding the Nutrena. Call Nutrena and ask if they make medicated cattle feed at the same location of the horse feed. Each mill might be different and the feed tag on your feed will say what plant it came from. It will be abbreviated with a few letters. I was told all Nutrena sold in OK stores (TSC, etc ) is manufactured in a mill in OKC which is safe. Cargill manufacturers Nutrena and Triple Crown. Most plants are ionophore free. BUT the plant in Sterling CO mixes BOTH and does use Rumensin which is monensin. I posted what they told me a few pages back. That's where it gets dicey for me feeding the tc. Because another company actually manufactures it... we contact triple crown when really should we be talking directly to cargill?? That part got me confused. Lol! I got to thinking early this morning of when I ever had health issues with any of my horses. It hit me that when my older gelding started acting funny suddenly one afternoon. .. it was just a day or 2 after I had been talked into feeding ADM 12% Patriot. He looked "off" went of his feed and became very lethargic and very depressed. We hauled him to the vet .. his blood work showed pretty normal temp was normal and vet said it wasn't colic like symptoms. This was several Several months ago so who knows. They gave him some banamine and we just waited it out. Gave him something for ulcers too. I didn't feed him anymore after that incident, in fact I returned all the feed. Looking back it sure makes me wonder if that's what happened to him...
Yes, I know of a situation where 8 horses were on the same feed.
Six of the horses showed no signs of exposure.
One horse went off feed for a few days, spike a fever, then gradually returned to health.
The last horse got extremely ill and will take months to recover....and is not expected fully recover.
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| Nevertooold - 2015-02-06 2:55 PM
rachellyn80 - 2015-02-06 2:53 PM Â I was fortunate enough just now to receive my very own personal phone call from Jason Hartley with ADM.
Per Jason: Â
The FDA has set no allowable limits on Monensin in horse feed.
Our published research shows that horses were exposed to a feed with 33ppm for 28 days and showed no signs of illness or backed away from the feed.
The only way to get our point across to this company and all the rest is to only support MONENSIN FREE mills. Â Jason would not even respond to my suggestion that they separate their operations and only produce medicated cattle feed in facilities that do not produce feed for horses.
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This tells me one thing..They don't give a crap. I'll never buy another product from this company.Â
Did they send you a link to the published study? Not that I care but I would like to see who did the study. Most likely Pfizer? |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | No Jason won't give you their results. He would not give them to me. And, yesterday he said almost the same exact thing to me.
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| Nevertooold - 2015-02-06 3:00 PM
want2chase3 - 2015-02-06 12:42 PM SKM - 2015-02-06 12:28 PM TwistedK - 2015-02-06 10:40 AM Nevertooold - 2015-02-06 11:37 AM Sandok - 2015-02-06 11:32 AM So now what about Nutrena?? I am checking in to BlueBonnet but am still feeding the Nutrena. Call Nutrena and ask if they make medicated cattle feed at the same location of the horse feed. Each mill might be different and the feed tag on your feed will say what plant it came from.  It will be abbreviated with a few letters. I was told all Nutrena sold in OK stores (TSC, etc ) is manufactured in a mill in OKC which is safe. Cargill manufacturers Nutrena and Triple Crown. Most plants are ionophore free. BUT the plant in Sterling CO mixes BOTH and does use Rumensin which is monensin. I posted what they told me a few pages back. That's where it gets dicey for me feeding the tc. Because another company actually manufactures it... we contact triple crown when really should we be talking directly to cargill?? That part got me confused. Lol! I got to thinking early this morning of when I ever had health issues with any of my horses. It hit me that when my older gelding started acting funny suddenly one afternoon. .. it was just a day or 2 after I had been talked into feeding ADM 12% Patriot. He looked "off" went of his feed and became very lethargic and very depressed. We hauled him to the vet .. his blood work showed pretty normal temp was normal and vet said it wasn't colic like symptoms. This was several Several months ago so who knows. They gave him some banamine and we just waited it out. Gave him something for ulcers too. I didn't feed him anymore after that incident, in fact I returned all the feed. Looking back it sure makes me wonder if that's what happened to him...
Yes I read about "hot spots" too. I had fed it to my other 2 horses and they were ok. But I still decided to not feed it anymore after that happened.. I wasn't aware of ionophores back then either. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Zebra racer - 2015-02-06 3:12 PM Nevertooold - 2015-02-06 2:55 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-06 2:53 PM I was fortunate enough just now to receive my very own personal phone call from Jason Hartley with ADM.
Per Jason:
The FDA has set no allowable limits on Monensin in horse feed.
Our published research shows that horses were exposed to a feed with 33ppm for 28 days and showed no signs of illness or backed away from the feed.
The only way to get our point across to this company and all the rest is to only support MONENSIN FREE mills. Jason would not even respond to my suggestion that they separate their operations and only produce medicated cattle feed in facilities that do not produce feed for horses.
This tells me one thing..They don't give a crap. I'll never buy another product from this company. Did they send you a link to the published study? Not that I care but I would like to see who did the study. Most likely Pfizer?
I asked about that and of course he couldn't release it....
I've been reading about this for the better part of a month. They are picking their way through published research and finding something that suits their purposes. I told him to keep paying his researchers and attorneys because people are going to become more educated and stop buying from mills that can't guarantee the safety of their products.
He tried the "we've been producing feed for a very long time" line... I asked him how many random colics he thought might be attributed to those trace amounts of monensin that aren't supposed to be toxic to horses. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-02-06 2:28 PM
Still have not heard back from TC on any of the 5 emails I sent. My guess is they are FLOODED with them. THey used to email back questions in a matter of an hour or two. This is a huge thread here on BHW, I wonder if there are any other threads on other sites for different horse disciplines? If we could get them involved it really would cause a stir.
I've seen a very similar discussion on Chronicle of the horse forum recently. So yes I believe it's getting around a bunch.
I just took a look over at horsegroomingsupplies forum and it's being discussed there too. Although theirs is only 3 pages long.
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Location: Kansas | So I have not fed pellets and am terrified to after a horrible experience with choke. I know it's rare, but I figured I'd just rather go the straight grain route. So for years now, I've been feeding crimped oats, cracked corn, and alfalfa pellets, along with supplements. Have loved feeding it. Both the oats and corn come from an ADM/Tindle mill  The guy I talked to at my coop almost sounded angry that I was asking about all of this and stated, rather matter of factly, that the poisoning did not happen at an ADM mill, that it was an independent mill. I still don't care... I want my grain coming from a completely ionophore free place!!! Since these grains are manufactured in such large quantities, I'm sure they're all going to be run through the same places that make medicated cattle feed. On the slim chance that there is, does anyone know of companies that produce at least crimped oats at an ionophore free mill? |
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| HarlanLivesOn - 2015-02-06 3:31 PM
So I have not fed pellets and am terrified to after a horrible experience with choke. I know it's rare, but I figured I'd just rather go the straight grain route. So for years now, I've been feeding crimped oats, cracked corn, and alfalfa pellets, along with supplements. Have loved feeding it. Both the oats and corn come from an ADM/Tindle mill The guy I talked to at my coop almost sounded angry that I was asking about all of this and stated, rather matter of factly, that the poisoning did not happen at an ADM mill, that it was an independent mill. I still don't care... I want my grain coming from a completely ionophore free place!!! Since these grains are manufactured in such large quantities, I'm sure they're all going to be run through the same places that make medicated cattle feed. On the slim chance that there is, does anyone know of companies that produce at least crimped oats at an ionophore free mill?
Typically any grain mix can be contaminated. But grains themselves are likely not contaminated from the truck that brought it in from the farm with the exception of corn which can be toxic all on its own.
They make medicated grain mixes so it is not just pellets. And yes, ADM is so large and doesn't own all its facilities. They book their needs with independent mills. But it does seem like they at least use mills that have the ability to number their bags which is a step in traceability. |
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| HarlanLivesOn - 2015-02-06 3:31 PM
So I have not fed pellets and am terrified to after a horrible experience with choke. I know it's rare, but I figured I'd just rather go the straight grain route. So for years now, I've been feeding crimped oats, cracked corn, and alfalfa pellets, along with supplements. Have loved feeding it. Both the oats and corn come from an ADM/Tindle mill The guy I talked to at my coop almost sounded angry that I was asking about all of this and stated, rather matter of factly, that the poisoning did not happen at an ADM mill, that it was an independent mill. I still don't care... I want my grain coming from a completely ionophore free place!!! Since these grains are manufactured in such large quantities, I'm sure they're all going to be run through the same places that make medicated cattle feed. On the slim chance that there is, does anyone know of companies that produce at least crimped oats at an ionophore free mill?
The only one I'm aware of as of right now is Blue Bonnet.. they have whole oats available. Way back when ..tsc use to carry them. They don't anymore. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Thanks Rachell for the info. 
Here is a link to the info on Lackland.
http://veterinarynews.dvm360.com/feed-manufacturer-settles-with-horse-owners-after-fatal-monensin-poisoning?rel=canonical
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | HarlanLivesOn - 2015-02-06 3:31 PM So I have not fed pellets and am terrified to after a horrible experience with choke. I know it's rare, but I figured I'd just rather go the straight grain route. So for years now, I've been feeding crimped oats, cracked corn, and alfalfa pellets, along with supplements. Have loved feeding it. Both the oats and corn come from an ADM/Tindle mill The guy I talked to at my coop almost sounded angry that I was asking about all of this and stated, rather matter of factly, that the poisoning did not happen at an ADM mill, that it was an independent mill. I still don't care... I want my grain coming from a completely ionophore free place!!! Since these grains are manufactured in such large quantities, I'm sure they're all going to be run through the same places that make medicated cattle feed. On the slim chance that there is, does anyone know of companies that produce at least crimped oats at an ionophore free mill?
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Location: So. California | Does anyone have names/contact info/address to testing labs?
I lost my mare in October and the vets never did figure out what was wrong with her. he symptoms are eerily similar... I still have her feed in my garage, I refused to feed it to any of our other horses and I never threw it away.
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