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Location: Arkansas | Someone needs to figure out a way to pay the cowboys and cowgirls a lump some or something when they GET TO the finals.. I watched my brother make the finals 15 times, win the world twice and be BROKE when he gets there hoping he wins enough money at the finals to start the new year!! Not every year but most years.. If they can figure out how to give them more money in Florida, then go to Florida.. Las Vegas needs to up the ante to be able to keep it there.. First place money has only increased around $250 a year since they moved it to Vegas.. That's not a whole lot.. These guys are trying to make a living.. The fans will follow if they are true fans.. I would love for it to be in Dallas or OKC again.. I'm there for the rodeo not the night life.. L | |
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Location: Qld Australia | dhdqhllc - 2013-12-17 11:57 AM
 I agree.......everyone can have an opinion but Tyson's comments.....well....let's just say he should stick to roping or take some advice from Caleb Driggers
WHY?????
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Location: Qld Australia | Ethel - 2013-12-17 11:57 AM
 Someone needs to figure out a way to pay the cowboys and cowgirls a lump some or something when they GET TO the finals.. I watched my brother make the finals 15 times, win the world twice and be BROKE when he gets there hoping he wins enough money at the finals to start the new year!! Not every year but most years.. If they can figure out how to give them more money in Florida, then go to Florida.. Las Vegas needs to up the ante to be able to keep it there.. First place money has only increased around $250 a year since they moved it to Vegas.. That's not a whole lot.. These guys are trying to make a living.. The fans will follow if they are true fans.. I would love for it to be in Dallas or OKC again.. I'm there for the rodeo not the night life.. LÂ
Ethel - I agree with you. It is amazing me with these few threads how many people who claim to be rodeo fans who are putting the NFR on a backburner for the night life etc. If the NFR moves, there will be stalls and shopping etc this will not change. Gambling, night clubs I have no idea but still cannot understand why they are the driving force behind any people's comments.
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Location: ND | RoadToVegas - 2013-12-16 7:50 PM TXBO - 2013-12-16 7:47 PM Tyson needs to stick to roping. Why? He is one of the only people that should really have a say in this lol without the contestants there would be no show. Fans who want to see the best of the best will go where ever the NFR is.
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Location: Qld Australia | dhdqhllc - 2013-12-17 12:05 PM RoadToVegas - 2013-12-16 7:50 PM TXBO - 2013-12-16 7:47 PM Tyson needs to stick to roping. Why? He is one of the only people that should really have a say in this lol without the contestants there would be no show. Fans who want to see the best of the best will go where ever the NFR is.
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| dhdqhllc - 2013-12-16 8:05 PM
RoadToVegas - 2013-12-16 7:50 PM TXBO - 2013-12-16 7:47 PM Tyson needs to stick to roping. Why? He is one of the only people that should really have a say in this lol without the contestants there would be no show. Fans who want to see the best of the best will go where ever the NFR is.
all of this
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Location: Arkansas | I remember all of this exact same hoopla being said when the NFR moved from OKC.. there just wasn't social media for everyone to spout off about it.. Said, "it would ruin the NFR.. NOBODY would go to Vegas.. It's not a rodeo friendly place.. WHAT ARE THEY THINKING?" LOL Same things they're saying now.. But, look what happened.. It WAS better!! Hmmmm... How do we know that it can't be better?? The contestants are trying to make a living and if they can make more money then so be it.. It's THEIR lives!! It's our entertainment!! There are still some other cities in the mix.. Don't know why they singled out Orlando, so maybe it can be somewhere more central.. Orlando has offered to build a $100 million dollar facility just for the NFR.. The first year it would be at the same coliseum where the Orlando Magic play while they are building the NFR facility.. Las Vegas Events has 90 days to respond.. | |
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Location: Central Montana | Las Vegas is a convention city. The NFR is not the only time of the year that the hotels all come close to selling out. Pull up the calender on the convention center website and see sometime what is going on and how many attendees are coming and what room availability is. If they move the NFR I'm sure they can pick up other business.
For what Vegas is paying the PRCA to have the NFR there, they could afford to put on their own multi day rodeo and offer huge purses to bring the big names to town anyhow.
I love to go to Vegas, sometimes multiple times a year. I have never been there for the NFR, I prefer to go in the summer when it is hot and the pools are open, but if plans worked out I'd definitely go for a rodeo, NFR or otherwise. The only reason I could see going to Florida is to get on a cruise ship or to see Disney, I would not spend the $$ on a plane ticket and hotel to go for the NFR.
I personally don't care if they move it or not and my opinion would not matter anyhow. I will still go to Vegas regardless but I hoped on one day spending some $$ on rodeo tickets and actually going to the rodeo too. | |
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| RoadToVegas - 2013-12-16 7:13 PM
stayceem - 2013-12-16 5:32 PM
I havent read everything but here is my two cents...
I think that people forget that Vegas has taken one of the biggest economic hits than any other major city in the U.S. They may not have much more to offer than they have. I realize they make a big profit but I have yet to see a confirmed amount. You also have to consider their profit vs how much they put out for this even.
I also am with the other posters on kids. I dont think the NFR is really a "kid" place. Not just because its in Vegas and I am not in favor of bringing it to FL just because its more "family friendly." I have no desire to go to florida for water parks and disney land. If I am going to go to Florida I am going to spend my time on the beach. I also disagree that Vegas has nothing for kids. I personally do not gamble... Circus circus is a great attraction for kids. I went to multiple exhibits such as an underwater world. They have different things for kids if you want them. Vegas is more geared towards adults but kids CAN go and have fun.
I understand the contestants want more money but I am afraid a move like this will have very detrimental consequences long term on the sport and event. I think it will be a lot more expensive in Florida and I think many people will choose to pass.
I do not plan on going and I am making it a point to go for the first time in 2014!!!
It is 200 million. Yeah I think they have the money to add.... Also that number is taken off of Shane Hancheys FB post that he explained what he thought about it.
I do not have any confirmed oe validated profit totals. I have seen several different numbers on several different articles and postings. Shane's was ONE of many I have seen. | |
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | rockinj - 2013-12-16 6:14 PM Ethel - 2013-12-17 11:57 AM Someone needs to figure out a way to pay the cowboys and cowgirls a lump some or something when they GET TO the finals.. I watched my brother make the finals 15 times, win the world twice and be BROKE when he gets there hoping he wins enough money at the finals to start the new year!! Not every year but most years.. If they can figure out how to give them more money in Florida, then go to Florida.. Las Vegas needs to up the ante to be able to keep it there.. First place money has only increased around $250 a year since they moved it to Vegas.. That's not a whole lot.. These guys are trying to make a living.. The fans will follow if they are true fans.. I would love for it to be in Dallas or OKC again.. I'm there for the rodeo not the night life.. L Ethel - I agree with you. It is amazing me with these few threads how many people who claim to be rodeo fans who are putting the NFR on a backburner for the night life etc. If the NFR moves, there will be stalls and shopping etc this will not change. Gambling, night clubs I have no idea but still cannot understand why they are the driving force behind any people's comments. The NFR is the NFR - that's what is the drawcard. I throw my whole support behind what the actual contestants want.
My husband and myself make very good money, we can't afford to attend the NFR more than two nights. We paid 300.00 per ticket for a total of 1200.00, does not include the hotel or food. So for the 5 days we were there we shopped, ate, gambled, went to Stoneys (nite club) and enjoyed Vegas. I have no desire to go to Disney World. It took the Sands, Mandalay Bay and the LV convention center to hold all the cowboy Christmas's, will the Gaylord Palms be able to accommodate the vendors? | |
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Location: ND | GoinJettin - 2013-12-16 8:29 PM Las Vegas is a convention city. The NFR is not the only time of the year that the hotels all come close to selling out. Pull up the calender on the convention center website and see sometime what is going on and how many attendees are coming and what room availability is. If they move the NFR I'm sure they can pick up other business.
For what Vegas is paying the PRCA to have the NFR there, they could afford to put on their own multi day rodeo and offer huge purses to bring the big names to town anyhow.
I love to go to Vegas, sometimes multiple times a year. I have never been there for the NFR, I prefer to go in the summer when it is hot and the pools are open, but if plans worked out I'd definitely go for a rodeo, NFR or otherwise. The only reason I could see going to Florida is to get on a cruise ship or to see Disney, I would not spend the $$ on a plane ticket and hotel to go for the NFR.
I personally don't care if they move it or not and my opinion would not matter anyhow. I will still go to Vegas regardless but I hoped on one day spending some $$ on rodeo tickets and actually going to the rodeo too.
orlando is a big convention area too and in that respect should be able to handle this esp with what is 'proposed' to be built but 'fans' are definitely going to have to be budgeting significantly more for a trip there versus vegas........
and then i was think about natural disasters.....over ten to twenty years....the life of this contract......not much other than sandstorms out in LV, rain, maybe snow.......but what about hurricanes???? is this area pretty safe from most of the devastation from a big hurricane ???? not talking about during NFR....talking about a couple months before.... | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Ethel - 2013-12-16 8:17 PM I remember all of this exact same hoopla being said when the NFR moved from OKC.. there just wasn't social media for everyone to spout off about it.. Said, "it would ruin the NFR.. NOBODY would go to Vegas.. It's not a rodeo friendly place.. WHAT ARE THEY THINKING?" LOL Same things they're saying now.. But, look what happened.. It WAS better!! Hmmmm... How do we know that it can't be better?? The contestants are trying to make a living and if they can make more money then so be it.. It's THEIR lives!! It's our entertainment!! There are still some other cities in the mix.. Don't know why they singled out Orlando, so maybe it can be somewhere more central.. Orlando has offered to build a $100 million dollar facility just for the NFR.. The first year it would be at the same coliseum where the Orlando Magic play while they are building the NFR facility.. Las Vegas Events has 90 days to respond..
It's really ridiculous still....what the contestants get paid.
I'm for whatever will put more money in the cowboy and cowgirl's pocket. It's about time they actually get paid like other athletes.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I have to say that I think this has been a good thread, actually. I haven't really said much about this because I simply don't know enough facts, but my first reaction was this is a bad move. Over the past 3 days I've learned a lot, and I'm left with the opinion that this might be a good move. I'll say one thing, and that is I applaud the PRCA's bold decision.
For the longest time I've been wondering why pro rodeo isn't more profitable all the way around. Just for the hell of it I looked up a random "Ultimate Fighting" list of ticket prices for a random venue...."Duluth Georgia". The prices for that fight ranged between $70 and $220 for a night. Look at pro wrestling, which is basically a farce. One source I found quoted the "average WWF talent" earning $550,000 per year. According to Sporting News, the base salary of a NASCAR driver ranges from a low of $500,000 a year, all the way up to $10 Million a year, and that doesn't even count endorsements, which can be several million more. Hell, just for the fun of it I looked up "Professional Skateboarding"....the top 20 skateboarders are all millionaires. You never hear about people flocking from all corners of the country to watch skatboarding, do you?
Now look, I realize a lot of this is like comparing apples to oranges, however, nobody can convince me that pro rodeo can't do better.
NASCAR used to be where pro rodeo is today...back in the 60s and 70s. What happened? Basically, in a word, marketing. That's the one commonality between WWF, Ultimate Fighting, and NASCAR.
NASCAR is now the nations #1 spectator sport. I'll bet you anything, that if you took a dozen inner city kids and spent one afternoon at a NASCAR race, and another afternoon at a PRCA rodeo, hands down, the kids would want to be a rodeo cowboy! I hope to see the day when at least the top tier rodeo competitors are REAL professionals, in the literal sense of the word.....to the extent that they actually get invited to compete at BIG rodeos and don't have to pay to put on the show out of their own pocket.
Another thing is this may be a good move in terms of moving rodeo to the more densely populated east coast, where there's a greater opportunity to pique the interest of "FANS". If this works out well, I think we can all look forward to the more realistic expectation that in the not too distant future Networks like ABC, NBC, FOX, and ESPN will actually compete for the television rights for the NFR. When that happens......just watch and see.
I hope this move is partly based on a gamble to think "outside of the box" and a first step that is probably long overdue. We can only hope. I think I'm going to go to the NFR next year. Heck I even can picture taking my grandkids one day. We can do Disney, Sea World, and the NFR. I like that a hell of a lot more than some smelly Casino full of long ashen faces from losing the noight before, prostitutes, mafioso, and drug pushers. | |
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Location: Qld Australia | HotbearLVR - 2013-12-17 1:12 PM
I have to say that I think this has been a good thread, actually. Â I haven't really said much about this because I simply don't know enough facts, but my first reaction was this is a bad move. Â Over the past 3 days I've learned a lot, and I'm left with the opinion that this might be a good move. Â I'll say one thing, and that is I applaud the PRCA's bold decision.
For the longest time I've been wondering why pro rodeo isn't more profitable all the way around. Â Just for the hell of it I looked up a random "Ultimate Fighting" list of ticket prices for a random venue...."Duluth Georgia". Â The prices for that fight ranged between $70 and $220 for a night. Â Look at pro wrestling, which is basically a farce. Â One source I found quoted the "average WWF talent" earning $550,000 per year. Â According to Sporting News, the base salary of a NASCAR driver ranges from a low of $500,000 a year, all the way up to $10 Million a year, and that doesn't even count endorsements, which can be several million more. Â Hell, just for the fun of it I looked up "Professional Skateboarding"....the top 20 skateboarders are all millionaires. Â You never hear about people flocking from all corners of the country to watch skatboarding, do you?
Now look, I realize a lot of this is like comparing apples to oranges, however, nobody can convince me that pro rodeo can't do better. Â
NASCAR used to be where pro rodeo is today...back in the 60s and 70s.  What happened?  Basically, in a word, marketing.  That's the one commonality between WWF, Ultimate Fighting, and  NASCAR.
NASCAR is now the nations #1 spectator sport. Â I'll bet you anything, that if you took a dozen inner city kids and spent one afternoon at a NASCAR race, and another afternoon at a PRCA rodeo, hands down, the kids would want to be a rodeo cowboy! Â I hope to see the day when at least the top tier rodeo competitors are REAL professionals, in the literal sense of the word.....to the extent that they actually get invited to compete at BIG rodeos and don't have to pay to put on the show out of their own pocket. Â
Another thing is this may be a good move in terms of moving rodeo to the more densely populated east coast, where there's a greater opportunity to pique the interest of "FANS". Â If this works out well, I think we can all look forward to the more realistic expectation that in the not too distant future Networks like ABC, NBC, FOX, and ESPN will actually compete for the television rights for the NFR. Â When that happens......just watch and see.Â
I hope this move is partly based on a gamble to think "outside of the box" and a first step that is probably long overdue. Â We can only hope. Â I think I'm going to go to the NFR next year. Â Heck I even can picture taking my grandkids one day. Â We can do Disney, Sea World, and the NFR. Â I like that a hell of a lot more than some smelly Casino full of long ashen faces from losing the noight before, prostitutes, mafioso, and drug pushers. Â
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Location: South Central Florida | dhdqhllc - 2013-12-16 9:36 PM GoinJettin - 2013-12-16 8:29 PM Las Vegas is a convention city. The NFR is not the only time of the year that the hotels all come close to selling out. Pull up the calender on the convention center website and see sometime what is going on and how many attendees are coming and what room availability is. If they move the NFR I'm sure they can pick up other business.
For what Vegas is paying the PRCA to have the NFR there, they could afford to put on their own multi day rodeo and offer huge purses to bring the big names to town anyhow.
I love to go to Vegas, sometimes multiple times a year. I have never been there for the NFR, I prefer to go in the summer when it is hot and the pools are open, but if plans worked out I'd definitely go for a rodeo, NFR or otherwise. The only reason I could see going to Florida is to get on a cruise ship or to see Disney, I would not spend the $$ on a plane ticket and hotel to go for the NFR.
I personally don't care if they move it or not and my opinion would not matter anyhow. I will still go to Vegas regardless but I hoped on one day spending some $$ on rodeo tickets and actually going to the rodeo too. orlando is a big convention area too and in that respect should be able to handle this esp with what is 'proposed' to be built but 'fans' are definitely going to have to be budgeting significantly more for a trip there versus vegas........
and then i was think about natural disasters.....over ten to twenty years....the life of this contract......not much other than sandstorms out in LV, rain, maybe snow.......but what about hurricanes???? is this area pretty safe from most of the devastation from a big hurricane ???? not talking about during NFR....talking about a couple months before....
Osceola County is pretty far inland, well as far inland as you can get on a peninsula anyway. But it's the widest point of the state, and I have had some pretty serious damage (2 hour south) but I have never heard of Orlando area being hard hit by any of the storm in recent past. Ocala was actually hit petty hard, but Orlando would probably not get the wind damage the coasts get. I think that's pretty safe. Never even heard of Disney closing because of storm damage. | |
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Location: South Central Florida | HotbearLVR - 2013-12-16 10:12 PM I have to say that I think this has been a good thread, actually. I haven't really said much about this because I simply don't know enough facts, but my first reaction was this is a bad move. Over the past 3 days I've learned a lot, and I'm left with the opinion that this might be a good move. I'll say one thing, and that is I applaud the PRCA's bold decision.
For the longest time I've been wondering why pro rodeo isn't more profitable all the way around. Just for the hell of it I looked up a random "Ultimate Fighting" list of ticket prices for a random venue...."Duluth Georgia". The prices for that fight ranged between $70 and $220 for a night. Look at pro wrestling, which is basically a farce. One source I found quoted the "average WWF talent" earning $550,000 per year. According to Sporting News, the base salary of a NASCAR driver ranges from a low of $500,000 a year, all the way up to $10 Million a year, and that doesn't even count endorsements, which can be several million more. Hell, just for the fun of it I looked up "Professional Skateboarding"....the top 20 skateboarders are all millionaires. You never hear about people flocking from all corners of the country to watch skatboarding, do you?
Now look, I realize a lot of this is like comparing apples to oranges, however, nobody can convince me that pro rodeo can't do better.
NASCAR used to be where pro rodeo is today...back in the 60s and 70s. What happened? Basically, in a word, marketing. That's the one commonality between WWF, Ultimate Fighting, and NASCAR.
NASCAR is now the nations #1 spectator sport. I'll bet you anything, that if you took a dozen inner city kids and spent one afternoon at a NASCAR race, and another afternoon at a PRCA rodeo, hands down, the kids would want to be a rodeo cowboy! I hope to see the day when at least the top tier rodeo competitors are REAL professionals, in the literal sense of the word.....to the extent that they actually get invited to compete at BIG rodeos and don't have to pay to put on the show out of their own pocket.
Another thing is this may be a good move in terms of moving rodeo to the more densely populated east coast, where there's a greater opportunity to pique the interest of "FANS". If this works out well, I think we can all look forward to the more realistic expectation that in the not too distant future Networks like ABC, NBC, FOX, and ESPN will actually compete for the television rights for the NFR. When that happens......just watch and see.
I hope this move is partly based on a gamble to think "outside of the box" and a first step that is probably long overdue. We can only hope. I think I'm going to go to the NFR next year. Heck I even can picture taking my grandkids one day. We can do Disney, Sea World, and the NFR. I like that a hell of a lot more than some smelly Casino full of long ashen faces from losing the noight before, prostitutes, mafioso, and drug pushers.
I could not agree more (don't care where or if they move it). I have often wondered why the money isn't better. But the Skateboarders and NASCAR are all Sponsor supported. Not totally, but a major part of the money comes from major sponsors.
Rodeo has to fight the PETA and Shark type organizations and people that do not understand livestock or animals at all for that matter. I believe that will be a hugh battle. Yet the Race Horse industry seems to have gotten around that hurdle, at least enough to profit (I think).
I would also love to see the PRCA-WPRA money spread out around the country more. I know the rodeo tradition is in the West, and I understand but one reason the contestants from the weat are so numerous is partially because if you live on the east coast...it's hard to earn enough money to make the NFR. And the more spread out the money is the more spectators you get. I know that's a product of getting big sponsors from this area, but I think the marketing is a gigantic part of why it's not bigger everywhere (the money I mean).
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| HotbearLVR - 2013-12-16 9:12 PM
I have to say that I think this has been a good thread, actually. Â I haven't really said much about this because I simply don't know enough facts, but my first reaction was this is a bad move. Â Over the past 3 days I've learned a lot, and I'm left with the opinion that this might be a good move. Â I'll say one thing, and that is I applaud the PRCA's bold decision.
For the longest time I've been wondering why pro rodeo isn't more profitable all the way around. Â Just for the hell of it I looked up a random "Ultimate Fighting" list of ticket prices for a random venue...."Duluth Georgia". Â The prices for that fight ranged between $70 and $220 for a night. Â Look at pro wrestling, which is basically a farce. Â One source I found quoted the "average WWF talent" earning $550,000 per year. Â According to Sporting News, the base salary of a NASCAR driver ranges from a low of $500,000 a year, all the way up to $10 Million a year, and that doesn't even count endorsements, which can be several million more. Â Hell, just for the fun of it I looked up "Professional Skateboarding"....the top 20 skateboarders are all millionaires. Â You never hear about people flocking from all corners of the country to watch skatboarding, do you?
Now look, I realize a lot of this is like comparing apples to oranges, however, nobody can convince me that pro rodeo can't do better. Â
NASCAR used to be where pro rodeo is today...back in the 60s and 70s.  What happened?  Basically, in a word, marketing.  That's the one commonality between WWF, Ultimate Fighting, and  NASCAR.
NASCAR is now the nations #1 spectator sport. Â I'll bet you anything, that if you took a dozen inner city kids and spent one afternoon at a NASCAR race, and another afternoon at a PRCA rodeo, hands down, the kids would want to be a rodeo cowboy! Â I hope to see the day when at least the top tier rodeo competitors are REAL professionals, in the literal sense of the word.....to the extent that they actually get invited to compete at BIG rodeos and don't have to pay to put on the show out of their own pocket. Â
Another thing is this may be a good move in terms of moving rodeo to the more densely populated east coast, where there's a greater opportunity to pique the interest of "FANS". Â If this works out well, I think we can all look forward to the more realistic expectation that in the not too distant future Networks like ABC, NBC, FOX, and ESPN will actually compete for the television rights for the NFR. Â When that happens......just watch and see.Â
I hope this move is partly based on a gamble to think "outside of the box" and a first step that is probably long overdue. Â We can only hope. Â I think I'm going to go to the NFR next year. Â Heck I even can picture taking my grandkids one day. Â We can do Disney, Sea World, and the NFR. Â I like that a hell of a lot more than some smelly Casino full of long ashen faces from losing the noight before, prostitutes, mafioso, and drug pushers. Â
I think your reasoning and examples are the best I have seen.
I am one of the few people that HATE Vegas but don't like Florida much more unless its to scuba dive. I LOVED the finals in OKC back in the day.
But I digress - again, I agree with you more than any post I have read. Well though out - good job!!! | |
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And could someone point out Where in the FL press release it says the contestants are getting better money?
Then keep in mind that the PRCA is able to increase the payout anytime they want. The NFR rules and regs have not been written by LVE.
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