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| I received a lengthy email back from Triple Crown. It was uniquely written and not a bulk response. Both the senior and Complete I feed are made in Stockton Ca and Casa Grande AZ. Both mills do produce feeds containing ionoohores. Of course I was assured of the quality practices etc. I have been feeding it for years with no issues. I will continue to do so. |
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I received a lengthy email back from Triple Crown. It was uniquely written and not a bulk response. Both the senior and Complete I feed are made in Stockton Ca and Casa Grande AZ. Both mills do produce feeds containing ionoohores. Of course I was assured of the quality practices etc. I have been feeding it for years with no issues. I will continue to do so.
I respect your decision to do whatever you want when it comes to feeding Triple Crown. But the mindset of "I've been feeding it for years with no problems and will continue to do so" is the exact reason why feed companiesfont change thheir milling practices. People aren't holding them accountable for playing Russian Roulette with the lives of our animals. I've been feeding Nutrena. I will no longer do so because I refuse to trust they can keep my animals safe be mulling horse feed at plants that they also have ionophores at. |
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Location: TN | Is there another forage based feed as good as ADM Prime Glo that would be safe? |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | SKM - 2015-02-08 9:57 AM FLITASTIC - 2015-02-08 6:38 AM I received a lengthy email back from Triple Crown. It was uniquely written and not a bulk response. Both the senior and Complete I feed are made in Stockton Ca and Casa Grande AZ. Both mills do produce feeds containing ionoohores. Of course I was assured of the quality practices etc. I have been feeding it for years with no issues. I will continue to do so. I respect your decision to do whatever you want when it comes to feeding Triple Crown. But the mindset of "I've been feeding it for years with no problems and will continue to do so" is the exact reason why feed companiesfont change thheir milling practices. People aren't holding them accountable for playing Russian Roulette with the lives of our animals. I've been feeding Nutrena. I will no longer do so because I refuse to trust they can keep my animals safe be mulling horse feed at plants that they also have ionophores at.
I agree with you SKM, the milling practices are only as good as thier worst employee. Kinda scary when you think about it that way.
All of this makes me wonder if very low levels of ionophores could cause undetectable heart issues that would cause a horse to go down or die during training or racing? Just a thought but who really knows? |
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| SKM - 2015-02-08 7:57 AM
FLITASTIC - 2015-02-08 6:38 AM
I received a lengthy email back from Triple Crown. It was uniquely written and not a bulk response. Both the senior and Complete I feed are made in Stockton Ca and Casa Grande AZ. Both mills do produce feeds containing ionoohores. Of course I was assured of the quality practices etc. I have been feeding it for years with no issues. I will continue to do so.
I respect your decision to do whatever you want when it comes to feeding Triple Crown. But the mindset of "I've been feeding it for years with no problems and will continue to do so" is the exact reason why feed companiesfont change thheir milling practices. People aren't holding them accountable for playing Russian Roulette with the lives of our animals. I've been feeding Nutrena. I will no longer do so because I refuse to trust they can keep my animals safe be mulling horse feed at plants that they also have ionophores at.
Your right SKM, your right. Just because there were no problems before doesn't mean there won't be in the future. Ok. So I don't have many other options out here that are safe. We have tractor supply so I can get any nutrena feed or purina. I'm wondering what I should put my horses on? Oats and rice bran? But your right and I admit it. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | FLITASTIC - 2015-02-08 7:38 AM I received a lengthy email back from Triple Crown. It was uniquely written and not a bulk response. Both the senior and Complete I feed are made in Stockton Ca and Casa Grande AZ. Both mills do produce feeds containing ionoohores. Of course I was assured of the quality practices etc. I have been feeding it for years with no issues. I will continue to do so. I spoke with Stacey on the phone and I told her I didn't care if the mills said they do this and that, we already know the new American worker really doesn't give a crap and I'm not taking any chances. I agree with SKM, TC got enough complaints about consistency so TC no longer uses that one mill and moved that East Texas milling down to Sequin and that plant doesn't mix medicated cattle feed so that is where I would be buying TC. I feed Renew Gold and then started back adding BeetPulp for the winter with a small amount of Triple Crown SR to the beet pulp.
The code for this mill is 81. There is another mill, 43, and they have segregrated areas for their cattle and horse feed. I personally don't want it anywhere around where my horse feed is being mixed so I won't buy any feed that is tagged 43.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | bracer41 - 2015-02-08 10:16 AM Is there another forage based feed as good as ADM Prime Glo that would be safe?
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-02-08 10:37 AM
SKM - 2015-02-08 7:57 AM
FLITASTIC - 2015-02-08 6:38 AM
I received a lengthy email back from Triple Crown. It was uniquely written and not a bulk response. Both the senior and Complete I feed are made in Stockton Ca and Casa Grande AZ. Both mills do produce feeds containing ionoohores. Of course I was assured of the quality practices etc. I have been feeding it for years with no issues. I will continue to do so.
I respect your decision to do whatever you want when it comes to feeding Triple Crown. But the mindset of "I've been feeding it for years with no problems and will continue to do so" is the exact reason why feed companiesfont change thheir milling practices. People aren't holding them accountable for playing Russian Roulette with the lives of our animals. I've been feeding Nutrena. I will no longer do so because I refuse to trust they can keep my animals safe be mulling horse feed at plants that they also have ionophores at.
Your right SKM, your right. Just because there were no problems before doesn't mean there won't be in the future. Ok. So I don't have many other options out here that are safe. We have tractor supply so I can get any nutrena feed or purina. I'm wondering what I should put my horses on? Oats and rice bran? But your right and I admit it.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | SKM - 2015-02-08 9:57 AM FLITASTIC - 2015-02-08 6:38 AM I received a lengthy email back from Triple Crown. It was uniquely written and not a bulk response. Both the senior and Complete I feed are made in Stockton Ca and Casa Grande AZ. Both mills do produce feeds containing ionoohores. Of course I was assured of the quality practices etc. I have been feeding it for years with no issues. I will continue to do so. I respect your decision to do whatever you want when it comes to feeding Triple Crown. But the mindset of "I've been feeding it for years with no problems and will continue to do so" is the exact reason why feed companiesfont change thheir milling practices. People aren't holding them accountable for playing Russian Roulette with the lives of our animals. I've been feeding Nutrena. I will no longer do so because I refuse to trust they can keep my animals safe be mulling horse feed at plants that they also have ionophores at.
I agree SKM. I also fed Nutrena and am now switching because I try my dangdest to do everything possible for the well being of my horses. |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | Okay so I already feed Renew Gold and totally happy with the results but I am adding a cup of alfalfa pellets to it. So I pulled the tag and it says under ingredients dehydrated Alfalfa meal. (Ruminan meat and bone meal free). What the heck does that mean?? Some alfalfa pellets have meat and bone meal? The pellets are made by Grainland Select. I'm going to call tomorrow but really can't believe how much this thread has opened up my eyes about these products. Are alfalfa products even processed in the regular feed mills? |
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FLITASTIC - 2015-02-08 10:37 AM
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FLITASTIC - 2015-02-08 6:38 AM
I received a lengthy email back from Triple Crown. It was uniquely written and not a bulk response. Both the senior and Complete I feed are made in Stockton Ca and Casa Grande AZ. Both mills do produce feeds containing ionoohores. Of course I was assured of the quality practices etc. I have been feeding it for years with no issues. I will continue to do so.
I respect your decision to do whatever you want when it comes to feeding Triple Crown. But the mindset of "I've been feeding it for years with no problems and will continue to do so" is the exact reason why feed companiesfont change thheir milling practices. People aren't holding them accountable for playing Russian Roulette with the lives of our animals. I've been feeding Nutrena. I will no longer do so because I refuse to trust they can keep my animals safe be mulling horse feed at plants that they also have ionophores at.
Your right SKM, your right. Just because there were no problems before doesn't mean there won't be in the future. Ok. So I don't have many other options out here that are safe. We have tractor supply so I can get any nutrena feed or purina. I'm wondering what I should put my horses on? Oats and rice bran? But your right and I admit it.
Where are you located? California?
Yes. Southern California. I also have a place in central California but all the TC feeds I get at either place come from Stockton or Casa Grande AZ.
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Location: Northeast Nebraska | SKM - 2015-02-06 7:20 AM The reply I got from Cargill/Nutrena/Triple Crown:Hello Stacey, Thank you for contacting us. The majority of Nutrena horse feed manufacturing locations do not handle monesin/rumensin. However, our mill in Sterling, CO that would most likely service your area does have rumensin. Please know that in addition to following the FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, we also utilize HACCP, which is for managing risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not actually required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat), so is an additional set of processes that we utilize to manage all of the areas of risk involved in producing horse feeds, beyond just the monensin, as there are many factors at play in manufacturing safe, quality feeds. Our manufacturing locations and employees are fully dedicated to providing a safe product. If you have any further questions, please let us know! Thank you!
Similar to the PM! that purina sent me on their Facebook after I posted a question.Brenda, thanks for asking about this issue. We understand your concerns about ionophores in horse feed, because feed and manufacturing safety are two of our top priorities. Most of our plants that manufacture horse feed don't manufacture cattle feed, so ionophores aren't present. However, as a result of innovation in our manufacturing processes, we do have four plants where horse feed is manufactured along with cattle feed that contains ionophores. These plants do use advanced systems and processes to keep the two feeds separate and protect against cross-contamination.
If you have any additional questions, our customer service department would be happy to speak with you. Please give them a call at 1-800-227-8941 during Monday-Friday business hours. Thank you! I haven't had a chance to call to ask about which plants.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | mreklaw - 2015-02-08 1:07 PM Okay so I already feed Renew Gold and totally happy with the results but I am adding a cup of alfalfa pellets to it. So I pulled the tag and it says under ingredients dehydrated Alfalfa meal. (Ruminan meat and bone meal free). What the heck does that mean?? Some alfalfa pellets have meat and bone meal? The pellets are made by Grainland Select. I'm going to call tomorrow but really can't believe how much this thread has opened up my eyes about these products. Are alfalfa products even processed in the regular feed mills? Back in 1997...FDA made it against the law to feed Ruminant meat and bone meal to cattle. I would quess this company manufactures a lot of cattle feed.
I hope I can explain this correctly.
Some of the feed companies were taking the meat from Ruminants and making bone meal from their bones and putting it back into their feed. So otherwise they were feeding parts of animals back to animals that got mixed into their feed. They think this practice is what caused mad cow disease over seas and why the FDA banned this practice back in 1997. Fast forward to around 2001 and ruminant meat and bone meal was added into cattle feed at a Purina mill in Texas and Purina caught what was done by mistake and recalled all of the feed that was tainted and ended up buying over 1200 head of cattle that had eaten it so they wouldn't end up in the food chain. Many feel this is the reason that Purina now has segregrated mills and they don't mill cattle feed and horse feed at the same mills. I know this is true in Texas. I don't know if it's true in other states.
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Location: Here | Nevertooold - 2015-02-08 4:12 PM mreklaw - 2015-02-08 1:07 PM Okay so I already feed Renew Gold and totally happy with the results but I am adding a cup of alfalfa pellets to it. So I pulled the tag and it says under ingredients dehydrated Alfalfa meal. (Ruminan meat and bone meal free). What the heck does that mean?? Some alfalfa pellets have meat and bone meal? The pellets are made by Grainland Select. I'm going to call tomorrow but really can't believe how much this thread has opened up my eyes about these products. Are alfalfa products even processed in the regular feed mills? Back in 1997...FDA made it against the law to feed Ruminant meat and bone meal to cattle. I would quess this company manufactures a lot of cattle feed.
I hope I can explain this correctly.
Some of the feed companies were taking the meat from Ruminants and making bone meal from their bones and putting it back into their feed. So otherwise they were feeding parts of animals back to animals that got mixed into their feed. They think this practice is what caused mad cow disease over seas and why the FDA banned this practice back in 1997. Fast forward to around 2001 and ruminant meat and bone meal was added into cattle feed at a Purina mill in Texas and Purina caught what was done by mistake and recalled all of the feed that was tainted and ended up buying over 1200 head of cattle that had eaten it so they wouldn't end up in the food chain. Many feel this is the reason that Purina now has segregrated mills and they don't mill cattle feed and horse feed at the same mills. I know this is true in Texas. I don't know if it's true in other states.
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Has anyone looked into Buckeye? That's what I currently feed. Think they only do horse products. Figured I' ask before I contact them.
I emailed them and I guess it is posted on their Facebook page, medication free including isonophore free |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | GoGaited - 2015-02-08 1:48 PM SKM - 2015-02-06 7:20 AM The reply I got from Cargill/Nutrena/Triple Crown:Hello Stacey, Thank you for contacting us. The majority of Nutrena horse feed manufacturing locations do not handle monesin/rumensin. However, our mill in Sterling, CO that would most likely service your area does have rumensin. Please know that in addition to following the FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, we also utilize HACCP, which is for managing risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not actually required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat), so is an additional set of processes that we utilize to manage all of the areas of risk involved in producing horse feeds, beyond just the monensin, as there are many factors at play in manufacturing safe, quality feeds. Our manufacturing locations and employees are fully dedicated to providing a safe product. If you have any further questions, please let us know! Thank you! Similar to the PM! that purina sent me on their Facebook after I posted a question.
Brenda, thanks for asking about this issue. We understand your concerns about ionophores in horse feed, because feed and manufacturing safety are two of our top priorities. Most of our plants that manufacture horse feed don't manufacture cattle feed, so ionophores aren't present. However, as a result of innovation in our manufacturing processes, we do have four plants where horse feed is manufactured along with cattle feed that contains ionophores. These plants do use advanced systems and processes to keep the two feeds separate and protect against cross-contamination.
If you have any additional questions, our customer service department would be happy to speak with you. Please give them a call at 1-800-227-8941 during Monday-Friday business hours. Thank you!
I haven't had a chance to call to ask about which plants.
My Purina feed (South Dakota) comes out of Kansas City and the cattle feed is out of Sioux City. Find out where yours comes from. |
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