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Location: Midwest | bocephus's mama - 2013-12-17 7:30 AM Rodeo isn't mainstream. Could it happen? Anything is possible. For instance, a show focusing on a rodeo even on a mainstream channel....like maybe A&E?
That show is NOT focusing on rodeo, it's focusing on drama
and it's on a&e....
also it's only 6 episodes...
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Location: Feeding mosquitos, FL | CYA Ranch - 2013-12-17 12:40 AM Nevertooold - 2013-12-16 11:17 PM Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-16 11:06 PM HotbearLVR - 2013-12-16 10:45 PM Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-16 9:55 PM Want better payout. Support the current sponsors and help find new ones.
And could someone point out Where in the FL press release it says the contestants are getting better money?
Then keep in mind that the PRCA is able to increase the payout anytime they want. The NFR rules and regs have not been written by LVE.
karen I wouldn't expect the payouts to be drammatically better for the first few years. I certainly wouldn't expect them to be worse, either. Orlando is making a huge committment, and that tells me a lot. I can see NBC/Disney potentially involved with promotion, and that might well include television. As far as supporting sponsors....well, the NFR ran the same 5-6 ads for 10 days. I promise I will never buy one of those pizzas, and I don't like whiskey (Pendleton Wiskey - neat ad though), and I don't have a need for a recliner. I already drive a Dodge pickup! LOL
Okay pick your favorite wine and get them on board.
Before Pendelton it was Crown. Both have been great sponsors and obviously both have benefited from the relationship. I can think of a number of "out of the box" companies that would be great sponsors.
Seriously I don't want NBC nor Disney to have ANY say in what happens with the NFR. That is when you lose control and it becomes a made for TV production.
I would like to see the PRCA and WPRA get serious about marketing their brand. Working together to pick up new, unique sponsors. If they would build the product the TV coverage, etc. would come.
karen
The word on the street is Florida offered 4 million more in prize money and the rounds would pay $30,000 and the average $100,000. That's double for the average and $12,000 for a go round win. If I was a contestant..I would be packing for Florida.
What about the folks now that haul to Vegas from the Southeast? Kaley Bass lives in Florida. Kaleb Driggers is from Albany, Georgia. Shane Hanchey's in Louisiana (but his horse came from way south Florida). Vegas isn't close for any of those folks either. And besides, these are rodeo folks. You have to be 75% truck driver to make it anyway.
I think its hilarious the people talking about the higher cost of flights to Florida. It's $50 more to fly to McCarren in December from DFW than it is to fly to MCO.
The Gaylord Palms is massive. The plans for this new resort have it even bigger than that. Space will not be an issue.
Hurricane season ends Nov 1 and Orlando hasn't been hit at all since the freak season of 2004. Even than was an outer band from a weakening Charley.
Me personally, I think LVE is banking on us fans Capital F Freaking Out to pressure the PRCA into accepting their deal. The marketing is genius. | |
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Location: Who knows | cavyrunsbarrels - 2013-12-15 10:58 PM
Ugh. I don't know what to think anymore. I naturally want to support the sport, and if the competitors have the opportunity to make more $$ at a different venue, then I'm open. But I don't want fees for spectators to go up. That's going to lose a lot of business. I also don't like the idea of FL. It's hot, it is not a central location at all, and getting a plane ticket to FL in December doesn't seem like it'll be so easy. I don't really want it to move, but I'd be open to a location that has more to offer than FL.
I don't consider Vegas to be a central location, either. It's the opposite side of the country to me. Florida is warmer in winter than other areas, but it can still get cold. It's a mixed bag, temperature wise.
I personally don't see the draw of Vegas. The couple times I've gone my impression wasn't glitz or flashy, just that it was dirty and nasty. The dining didn't impress me, especially for the price. If you don't like gambling, there's not much to do.
Orlando is not bad for plane tickets in winter. It's still a tourist area. If the NFR did go there, I'm pretty sure some will capitalize on and bring in and more "cowboy" type stuff. You don't have to go to Disney. They have dinner shows, good restaraunts, hotels, resorts, and the ghiridelli ice cream on the Boardwalk is yum! Air boat rides are fun! There are the amusement parks like Seaworld, and Busch Gardens isnt too far. Broaden your horizons. Plenty to do, plenty to offer.
Texas would be a more south-central location, but might be harder plane ticket wise. Definitely some cowboy stuff to do.
If they wanted to be near gambling, there's Biloxi, MS. Not as much other stuff to do as a tourist area.
Or Atlanta, with a great aquarium, Six Flags, coke factory, zoo. You could get a city pass.
The fact is, a lot of glamour has grown up around Vegas, but it's not the only place that has things to offer. And you have to ask how much of it only came to be because the NFR was there.
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| yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-17 3:07 AM DD2012 - 2013-12-16 8:14 PM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-16 8:05 PM RoadToVegas - 2013-12-16 7:50 PM TXBO - 2013-12-16 7:47 PM Tyson needs to stick to roping. Why? He is one of the only people that should really have a say in this lol without the contestants there would be no show. Fans who want to see the best of the best will go where ever the NFR is. all of this I'm all for the contestants getting all they can, but the fact is the fans are who generate the revenue to pay them. Yes, and if some cities are willing to pay more than Vegas then what's the problem? Do you think the people making those offers aren't smart enough to know what they are doing??? Lol
I don't know if they are smart enough or not. I do know they are going to be compared to Vegas so they better have a really good plan to attract a very diverse customer base for NFR attendance. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | The same things have been said about NASCAR, as it is predomiately a sport that attracts white rural fans. To be more exact, white, rural Republicans predomiately. It's said that NASCAR doesn't captivate the interest of Blacks and Hispanics.
Everyone knows why hotels are affordable in Vegas. That's just clever strategy and we all know why there is this unusually inexpensive lodging. I've never been fond of Vegas, personally. To me, almost everything there seems cheap and imitation. Every vice known to man is practically legal and openly showcased in Vegas. If I want to see New York, New York, I'll go to the Big Apple for a weekend. If I want to see the Eiffel Tower, then I'll take a trip to Europe. If I want to see Elvis, I'll rent an old movie. Now if I want to pluck a prostitute off the street, buy cheap drugs, or gamble my way into debt, then Vegas is the place for me. Also, I don't need Vegas to find fine dinning. Cheap flights.....cheap hotels......all to draw people into "Sin City". That's just me. It doesn't float my boat. I would have gone to Vegas but only for the NFR, but all the other attractions do little to arouse my interest.
Also, flights to Orlando in the winter really aren't that bad. If I had a couple young aspiring cowboys in my family, I would be much more likely to want to fly them to Orlando than Vegas. | |
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| EnterUp - 2013-12-16 10:59 PM kboltwkreations - 2013-12-16 4:47 PM Ask anyone in Vegas and they will tell you the NFR keeps the city alive during the "dead" time until New Year Eve. They are not going to lose the RODEO CROWD.
Im ready to see what they have up their sleeve. I wouldnt doubt that it will be something like "The American" as a series through the year, that finishes up in Vegas.
Way too fishy that the PRCA dropped GAC and RFD and now they are set on moving from Las Vegas as well. The PRCA is finally listening and standing behind their contestants. It was the contestants that banded together and said, enough is enough, if Vegas wants us here then they need to step up to the plate. The PRCA Board of Directors did not make this move on their own, it was contestant driven. So forget your conspiracy theories, there isn't one here. And I for one applaud the cowboy/cowgirl for finally pushing back
I think you missed my point, that Las Vegas NEEDS RODEO during that time to fill their gap.. I said nothing bashing the PRCA for moving, I simply said LVE has had something in the works for more than just a couple of days... If you need proof, read this article and you will see that they have been negotiating for over a year. Heck they even state how Houston isnt sanctioned by the PRCA.. how could you not think they might go after some of the bigger paying rodeos for a series??? http://m.reviewjournal.com/sports/nfr/national-finals-rodeo-officials-say-theyre-not-hitched-florida-yet
If money is the big issue for the contestants, why wouldnt they want something like the American to be a series where there is more money up for grabs??
Of course Im sure the PRCA will have stipultations on them that they cannot compete in both... There have already been talks of the NFR card. | |
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Location: Texas | barrelracr131 - 2013-12-17 7:36 AM bocephus's mama - 2013-12-17 7:30 AM Rodeo isn't mainstream. Could it happen? Anything is possible. For instance, a show focusing on a rodeo even on a mainstream channel....like maybe A&E? That show is NOT focusing on rodeo, it's focusing on drama
and it's on a&e....
also it's only 6 episodes...
Burn Notice has lasted several seasons, and nobody watches that show
And of course it's going to focus on drama -- it's more interesting to the masses than rodeo. The interest in rodeo would come over time. Gotta do what ya gotta do to bring it to the masses -- if that's REALLY the desire. You can't have the sponser $$ without doing what it takes.
ETA - Take Toddlers and Tiaras. I doubt every mom that enters her daughter is crazy but that's how they laid it out there -- and I'm sure the interest in those pageants grew ten fold. The kids in the pageants are famous to people outside the pageant world.
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Location: Midwest | bocephus's mama - 2013-12-17 8:32 AM barrelracr131 - 2013-12-17 7:36 AM bocephus's mama - 2013-12-17 7:30 AM Rodeo isn't mainstream. Could it happen? Anything is possible. For instance, a show focusing on a rodeo even on a mainstream channel....like maybe A&E? That show is NOT focusing on rodeo, it's focusing on drama
and it's on a&e....
also it's only 6 episodes...
Burn Notice has lasted several seasons, and nobody watches that show
And of course it's going to focus on drama -- it's more interesting to the masses than rodeo. The interest in rodeo would come over time. Gotta do what ya gotta do to bring it to the masses -- if that's REALLY the desire. You can't have the sponser $$ without doing what it takes.
ETA - Take Toddlers and Tiaras. I doubt every mom that enters her daughter is crazy but that's how they laid it out there -- and I'm sure the interest in those pageants grew ten fold. The kids in the pageants are famous to people outside the pageant world.
I was JKin'
also, from what I hear they filmed these girls for MONTHS and only got 6 epi's worth of material... so I don't think this one is coming back | |
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| kboltwkreations - 2013-12-17 8:24 AM EnterUp - 2013-12-16 10:59 PM kboltwkreations - 2013-12-16 4:47 PM Ask anyone in Vegas and they will tell you the NFR keeps the city alive during the "dead" time until New Year Eve. They are not going to lose the RODEO CROWD.
Im ready to see what they have up their sleeve. I wouldnt doubt that it will be something like "The American" as a series through the year, that finishes up in Vegas.
Way too fishy that the PRCA dropped GAC and RFD and now they are set on moving from Las Vegas as well. The PRCA is finally listening and standing behind their contestants. It was the contestants that banded together and said, enough is enough, if Vegas wants us here then they need to step up to the plate. The PRCA Board of Directors did not make this move on their own, it was contestant driven. So forget your conspiracy theories, there isn't one here. And I for one applaud the cowboy/cowgirl for finally pushing back
If money is the big issue for the contestants, why wouldnt they want something like the American to be a series where there is more money up for grabs??
Of course Im sure the PRCA will have stipultations on them that they cannot compete in both... There have already been talks of the NFR card.
Heres some more interesting reading material....
http://m.lvsun.com/blogs/kats-report/2013/dec/16/vegas-ready-sweep-out-wnfr-prca-says-hang-there-co/#.UrBDhHoAgiA.facebook | |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | HotbearLVR - 2013-12-16 11:52 PM Karen, I was just thinking of NBC/Disney in terms of televising the NFR.
Maybe it's far fetched. I think it's possible that the NBC Sports Network Channel might be a possibility. Seems like a good potential match with Orlando, Disney, NBC, etc.....
Doesn't Disney own ABC? | |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | TrackinBubba - 2013-12-17 7:51 AM CYA Ranch - 2013-12-17 12:40 AM Nevertooold - 2013-12-16 11:17 PM Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-16 11:06 PM HotbearLVR - 2013-12-16 10:45 PM Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-16 9:55 PM Want better payout. Support the current sponsors and help find new ones.
And could someone point out Where in the FL press release it says the contestants are getting better money?
Then keep in mind that the PRCA is able to increase the payout anytime they want. The NFR rules and regs have not been written by LVE.
karen I wouldn't expect the payouts to be drammatically better for the first few years. I certainly wouldn't expect them to be worse, either. Orlando is making a huge committment, and that tells me a lot. I can see NBC/Disney potentially involved with promotion, and that might well include television. As far as supporting sponsors....well, the NFR ran the same 5-6 ads for 10 days. I promise I will never buy one of those pizzas, and I don't like whiskey (Pendleton Wiskey - neat ad though), and I don't have a need for a recliner. I already drive a Dodge pickup! LOL
Okay pick your favorite wine and get them on board.
Before Pendelton it was Crown. Both have been great sponsors and obviously both have benefited from the relationship. I can think of a number of "out of the box" companies that would be great sponsors.
Seriously I don't want NBC nor Disney to have ANY say in what happens with the NFR. That is when you lose control and it becomes a made for TV production.
I would like to see the PRCA and WPRA get serious about marketing their brand. Working together to pick up new, unique sponsors. If they would build the product the TV coverage, etc. would come.
karen
The word on the street is Florida offered 4 million more in prize money and the rounds would pay $30,000 and the average $100,000. That's double for the average and $12,000 for a go round win. If I was a contestant..I would be packing for Florida.
I think its hilarious the people talking about the higher cost of flights to Florida. It's $50 more to fly to McCarren in December from DFW than it is to fly to MCO.
The Gaylord Palms is massive. The plans for this new resort have it even bigger than that. Space will not be an issue.
Hurricane season ends Nov 1 and Orlando hasn't been hit at all since the freak season of 2004. Even than was an outer band from a weakening Charley.
Me personally, I think LVE is banking on us fans Capital F Freaking Out to pressure the PRCA into accepting their deal. The marketing is genius.
I understand there are a few from that area I was just stating that the majority of contestants are not. I don't have a dog in this fight - I was just typing out my random thoughts.......carry on | |
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Location: Midwest | Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the fans will hold any sway over PRCA's decision...and I doubt LVE is banking on that
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EnterUp - 2013-12-16 10:59 PM kboltwkreations - 2013-12-16 4:47 PM Ask anyone in Vegas and they will tell you the NFR keeps the city alive during the "dead" time until New Year Eve. They are not going to lose the RODEO CROWD.
Im ready to see what they have up their sleeve. I wouldnt doubt that it will be something like "The American" as a series through the year, that finishes up in Vegas.
Way too fishy that the PRCA dropped GAC and RFD and now they are set on moving from Las Vegas as well. The PRCA is finally listening and standing behind their contestants. It was the contestants that banded together and said, enough is enough, if Vegas wants us here then they need to step up to the plate. The PRCA Board of Directors did not make this move on their own, it was contestant driven. So forget your conspiracy theories, there isn't one here. And I for one applaud the cowboy/cowgirl for finally pushing back
If money is the big issue for the contestants, why wouldnt they want something like the American to be a series where there is more money up for grabs??
Of course Im sure the PRCA will have stipultations on them that they cannot compete in both... There have already been talks of the NFR card.
People keep bringing up the prca not letting members compete in other series or rodeos. Someone can correct me on this if I'm wrong but I believe their was a big lawsuit over this a ways back. At one time if you were a member you couldn't compete in other associations and if I remeber correctly guys used to enter ammys under fake names and stuff. But the prca lost the lawsuit over the right to work argument and so this is settled law I believe. And they cant stop you from competing in other assoc. Maybe someone on here can give more insight? | |
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HotbearLVR - 2013-12-16 11:52 PM Karen, I was just thinking of NBC/Disney in terms of televising the NFR.
Maybe it's far fetched. I think it's possible that the NBC Sports Network Channel might be a possibility. Seems like a good potential match with Orlando, Disney, NBC, etc.....
Doesn't Disney own ABC?
As well as ESPN if I am not mistaken. | |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Haulin@$$ - 2013-12-17 9:26 AM CYA Ranch - 2013-12-17 9:15 AM HotbearLVR - 2013-12-16 11:52 PM Karen, I was just thinking of NBC/Disney in terms of televising the NFR.
Maybe it's far fetched. I think it's possible that the NBC Sports Network Channel might be a possibility. Seems like a good potential match with Orlando, Disney, NBC, etc..... Doesn't Disney own ABC? As well as ESPN if I am not mistaken.
Ok I believe that's correct. | |
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| HotbearLVR - 2013-12-17 8:22 AM The same things have been said about NASCAR, as it is predomiately a sport that attracts white rural fans. To be more exact, white, rural Republicans predomiately. It's said that NASCAR doesn't captivate the interest of Blacks and Hispanics.
Everyone knows why hotels are affordable in Vegas. That's just clever strategy and we all know why there is this unusually inexpensive lodging. I've never been fond of Vegas, personally. To me, almost everything there seems cheap and imitation. Every vice known to man is practically legal and openly showcased in Vegas. If I want to see New York, New York, I'll go to the Big Apple for a weekend. If I want to see the Eiffel Tower, then I'll take a trip to Europe. If I want to see Elvis, I'll rent an old movie. Now if I want to pluck a prostitute off the street, buy cheap drugs, or gamble my way into debt, then Vegas is the place for me. Also, I don't need Vegas to find fine dinning. Cheap flights.....cheap hotels......all to draw people into "Sin City". That's just me. It doesn't float my boat. I would have gone to Vegas but only for the NFR, but all the other attractions do little to arouse my interest.
Also, flights to Orlando in the winter really aren't that bad. If I had a couple young aspiring cowboys in my family, I would be much more likely to want to fly them to Orlando than Vegas.
Not sure about Orlando but we stayed on a beach in Florida a few weeks ago for a third of the cost that it takes to stay there during the summer months. | |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | HotbearLVR - 2013-12-17 7:22 AM The same things have been said about NASCAR, as it is predomiately a sport that attracts white rural fans. To be more exact, white, rural Republicans predomiately. It's said that NASCAR doesn't captivate the interest of Blacks and Hispanics.
Everyone knows why hotels are affordable in Vegas. That's just clever strategy and we all know why there is this unusually inexpensive lodging. I've never been fond of Vegas, personally. To me, almost everything there seems cheap and imitation. Every vice known to man is practically legal and openly showcased in Vegas. If I want to see New York, New York, I'll go to the Big Apple for a weekend. If I want to see the Eiffel Tower, then I'll take a trip to Europe. If I want to see Elvis, I'll rent an old movie. Now if I want to pluck a prostitute off the street, buy cheap drugs, or gamble my way into debt, then Vegas is the place for me. Also, I don't need Vegas to find fine dinning. Cheap flights.....cheap hotels......all to draw people into "Sin City". That's just me. It doesn't float my boat. I would have gone to Vegas but only for the NFR, but all the other attractions do little to arouse my interest.
Also, flights to Orlando in the winter really aren't that bad. If I had a couple young aspiring cowboys in my family, I would be much more likely to want to fly them to Orlando than Vegas.
When my daughter was on the rodeo circuit I went to babysit the grandson...we were headed from Cave Creek, AZ to Logandale NV (Clark County Fair) in the middle of the day, Wyatt saw downtown Vegas from the interstate & got soooo excited! When I told him we weren't stopping he threw the biggest fit I've ever seen...he was 3 yrs old. Lol...of course, his experience in Vegas was always fun...there's a ton of stuff for kids, then they have professional 'sitters' so the adults can have fun, too! I love Vegas...we don't stay in the cheap rooms as part of the fun is staying in huge, beautiful suites...and, never gamble with 'nervous' money. We've spent some wonderful Thanksgiving Holidays there. It all is whatever you make it. Being surrounded by 'sin' doesn't make ya sinful! You don't have to indulge!
I want to say that one thing all the other professional sports have in common is 'gambling'. YOU may not like to gamble but the rest of the world does..heck, even the cowboys/cowgirls are gambling with every run.
Another thing is that every kid has swung a bat, thrown a ball, dribbled a basketball, gotten into a 'fight'...etc...they can 'relate', whereas, rodeo is is completely foreign to the majority.
I don't see Rodeo ever being a huge spectator sport...none of the big money sports are 'shows', the fans don't have to pay attention to details. I do know that the foreigners LOVE rodeo & some travel to the U.S. specifically to watch the PBR from all over the globe...they're a group I would think they could market to.
The true fans aren't going to abandon the NFR no matter where it moves & I sincerely hope they can figure out a way to bring more money to the contestants. It will be interesting.
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