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Location: Online | smiley - 2014-04-15 2:46 PM rodeomom13 - 2014-04-15 1:48 PM musikmaker - 2014-04-15 1:38 PM First, the ONLY charge they need is that the guy isn't paying.
Second, how is a car being charged by a cow not an issue?
Third, yes, it's a company out of China - that I know of - and? So, it's cool to work in China, send our manufacturing to China, buy at WalMart from China, but HECK no on a solar farm on our land, employing Americans. Heck, we can't have that.
And this page from the BLM proves MY point not yours. I don't know why they took it down, public outcry - consirpiracy theorists. I'm second guessing every "consipiracy" theory I've ever read about now. Why wouldn't Reid want to make use of the land in his state and employ people in his state and provide energy in his state. That bastard.
I'm no fan of any politicians but you guys are making a case that dances around the issue - the cattle do not belong on that land - especially dangerous, feral cattle. The two bulls that were shot were charging officers.
I've never been more thankful for laws and coming from ME that's quite something.
Where does it say a car was "charged" by a cow? Open range is open range. It's also unlawful to harass livestock on open range. Why was the BLM chasing them, especially with helicopters, during the most stressful time, calving season, separating cows from their calves and killing others? They could have done it differently. If they were worried about the money, put a lein on his property, fine him, garnish whatever income he gets. Don't take his cows.
How many Chinese solar companies have to come here, take over American soil just to pad the pockets of the politicians, in this case Harry Reid and his son, then just go bankrupt? Say they win, they run the Bundy's off. Spend millions of taxpayer dollars to build a solar plant. It goes bankrupt like all the others. Who's left with the bill? We the people. That's who.
Where'd they go? Where'd who go? Like Solyndra.... | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | rodeomom13 - 2014-04-15 4:29 PM smiley - 2014-04-15 2:46 PM rodeomom13 - 2014-04-15 1:48 PM musikmaker - 2014-04-15 1:38 PM First, the ONLY charge they need is that the guy isn't paying.
Second, how is a car being charged by a cow not an issue?
Third, yes, it's a company out of China - that I know of - and? So, it's cool to work in China, send our manufacturing to China, buy at WalMart from China, but HECK no on a solar farm on our land, employing Americans. Heck, we can't have that.
And this page from the BLM proves MY point not yours. I don't know why they took it down, public outcry - consirpiracy theorists. I'm second guessing every "consipiracy" theory I've ever read about now. Why wouldn't Reid want to make use of the land in his state and employ people in his state and provide energy in his state. That bastard.
I'm no fan of any politicians but you guys are making a case that dances around the issue - the cattle do not belong on that land - especially dangerous, feral cattle. The two bulls that were shot were charging officers.
I've never been more thankful for laws and coming from ME that's quite something. I don't know why he didn't pay his "fees". He's not the only one in this country who doesn't pay their taxes.
Where does it say a car was "charged" by a cow? Open range is open range. It's also unlawful to harass livestock on open range. Why was the BLM chasing them, especially with helicopters, during the most stressful time, calving season, separating cows from their calves and killing others? They could have done it differently. If they were worried about the money, put a lein on his property, fine him, garnish whatever income he gets. Don't take his cows.
How many Chinese solar companies have to come here, take over American soil just to pad the pockets of the politicians, in this case Harry Reid and his son, then just go bankrupt? Say they win, they run the Bundy's off. Spend millions of taxpayer dollars to build a solar plant. It goes bankrupt like all the others. Who's left with the bill? We the people. That's who.
Where'd they go? Where'd who go? Like Solyndra.... | |
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| rodeomom13 - 2014-04-15 4:29 PM smiley - 2014-04-15 2:46 PM rodeomom13 - 2014-04-15 1:48 PM musikmaker - 2014-04-15 1:38 PM First, the ONLY charge they need is that the guy isn't paying.
Second, how is a car being charged by a cow not an issue?
Third, yes, it's a company out of China - that I know of - and? So, it's cool to work in China, send our manufacturing to China, buy at WalMart from China, but HECK no on a solar farm on our land, employing Americans. Heck, we can't have that.
And this page from the BLM proves MY point not yours. I don't know why they took it down, public outcry - consirpiracy theorists. I'm second guessing every "consipiracy" theory I've ever read about now. Why wouldn't Reid want to make use of the land in his state and employ people in his state and provide energy in his state. That bastard.
I'm no fan of any politicians but you guys are making a case that dances around the issue - the cattle do not belong on that land - especially dangerous, feral cattle. The two bulls that were shot were charging officers.
I've never been more thankful for laws and coming from ME that's quite something. I don't know why he didn't pay his "fees". He's not the only one in this country who doesn't pay their taxes.
Where does it say a car was "charged" by a cow? Open range is open range. It's also unlawful to harass livestock on open range. Why was the BLM chasing them, especially with helicopters, during the most stressful time, calving season, separating cows from their calves and killing others? They could have done it differently. If they were worried about the money, put a lein on his property, fine him, garnish whatever income he gets. Don't take his cows.
How many Chinese solar companies have to come here, take over American soil just to pad the pockets of the politicians, in this case Harry Reid and his son, then just go bankrupt? Say they win, they run the Bundy's off. Spend millions of taxpayer dollars to build a solar plant. It goes bankrupt like all the others. Who's left with the bill? We the people. That's who.
Where'd they go? Where'd who go? Like Solyndra....
Just out of curiousity... When a bank puts a lien on your house or car, do you get to keep it even if you continue to not pay? Here in Nevada they repossess those properties for non-payment so what makes this situation any different? Bundy is not the first to have his cattle gathered and removed from public ground that the owner did not have grazing rights to and that he is stealing resources from. He had plenty of time/opportunity to remove his property and chose not to. You do realize that a large number of companies using Nevada BLM grounds are also from other other countries and that these companies provide jobs, infrastructure and security to our little communities? I would imagine the same will occur when the solar/wind facility is built. It will create jobs for people residing in Nevada- Bundy has no rights to this ground so technically he should have been run-off 2 decades ago... His rights to this ground went away when his permit was cancelled for non-payment. | |
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rodeomom13 - 2014-04-15 4:29 PM smiley - 2014-04-15 2:46 PM rodeomom13 - 2014-04-15 1:48 PM musikmaker - 2014-04-15 1:38 PM First, the ONLY charge they need is that the guy isn't paying.
Second, how is a car being charged by a cow not an issue?
Third, yes, it's a company out of China - that I know of - and? So, it's cool to work in China, send our manufacturing to China, buy at WalMart from China, but HECK no on a solar farm on our land, employing Americans. Heck, we can't have that.
And this page from the BLM proves MY point not yours. I don't know why they took it down, public outcry - consirpiracy theorists. I'm second guessing every "consipiracy" theory I've ever read about now. Why wouldn't Reid want to make use of the land in his state and employ people in his state and provide energy in his state. That bastard.
I'm no fan of any politicians but you guys are making a case that dances around the issue - the cattle do not belong on that land - especially dangerous, feral cattle. The two bulls that were shot were charging officers.
I've never been more thankful for laws and coming from ME that's quite something. I don't know why he didn't pay his "fees". He's not the only one in this country who doesn't pay their taxes.
Where does it say a car was "charged" by a cow? Open range is open range. It's also unlawful to harass livestock on open range. Why was the BLM chasing them, especially with helicopters, during the most stressful time, calving season, separating cows from their calves and killing others? They could have done it differently. If they were worried about the money, put a lein on his property, fine him, garnish whatever income he gets. Don't take his cows.
How many Chinese solar companies have to come here, take over American soil just to pad the pockets of the politicians, in this case Harry Reid and his son, then just go bankrupt? Say they win, they run the Bundy's off. Spend millions of taxpayer dollars to build a solar plant. It goes bankrupt like all the others. Who's left with the bill? We the people. That's who.
Where'd they go? Where'd who go? Like Solyndra....
Just out of curiousity... When a bank puts a lien on your house or car, do you get to keep it even if you continue to not pay? Here in Nevada they repossess those properties for non-payment so what makes this situation any different? Bundy is not the first to have his cattle gathered and removed from public ground that the owner did not have grazing rights to and that he is stealing resources from. He had plenty of time/opportunity to remove his property and chose not to. You do realize that a large number of companies using Nevada BLM grounds are also from other other countries and that these companies provide jobs, infrastructure and security to our little communities? I would imagine the same will occur when the solar/wind facility is built. It will create jobs for people residing in Nevada- Bundy has no rights to this ground so technically he should have been run-off 2 decades ago... His rights to this ground went away when his permit was cancelled for non-payment.
A lien on your car or your home is not the same as a judicial lien. Bundy has a judicial lien in place on him and his property. The judge has granted the BLM the right to remove and impound his cattle. And that is all. Right now neither Bundy or the BLM can sell his property with out further action from the court. | |
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Location: The edge of no where | I don't give a **** about if the BLM had the rights to round up the cattle or not. SINCE when do we endorse animal abuse by a government agency? For those of you that say it's like repo'ing a car...... these are animals that deserve humane treatment. So maybe you don't agree with the way Bundy ran cattle, that gives the BLM the right to run them in the middle of calving season on incredibly hot days??? WTH?
Where it was complained that they were in the road and a hazard to cars... it's open range. We live in Texas, where we live, if you hit it, it's your fault. Not the animal owner's fault. NV is the same way. Doesn't have anything to do with this issue. | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | MS2011 - 2014-04-15 5:56 PM
I don't give a **** about if the BLM had the rights to round up the cattle or not. SINCE when do we endorse animal abuse by a government agency? For those of you that say it's like repo'ing a car...... these are animals that deserve humane treatment. So maybe you don't agree with the way Bundy ran cattle, that gives the BLM the right to run them in the middle of calving season on incredibly hot days??? WTH?
Where it was complained that they were in the road and a hazard to cars... it's open range. We live in Texas, where we live, if you hit it, it's your fault. Not the animal owner's fault. NV is the same way. Doesn't have anything to do with this issue.
I'm pretty sure NV. is open range... I know ID is.... If you hit it, it's your fault..
But the BLM rounds up Mustangs the same way..
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| musikmaker - 2014-04-15 2:57 PM smiley - 2014-04-15 2:43 PM musikmaker - 2014-04-15 12:06 PM smiley - 2014-04-15 11:45 AM Speedy Cowgirl - 2014-04-15 11:13 AM foundation horse - 2014-04-15 11:24 AM WOW! Busted!  WOW IS RIGHT !!!
YES, the BLM makes MONEY - and they do that by using FEDERAL land for FEDERAL projects. They have this land in which feral cattle are a danger to others and in which they have tried to get this guy to comply for 20+ years and in order to use THEIR land, they have to remove this guys cattle.
What is the BUSTED??
That they actually want to use the land for something useful? Other than a rancher's uses? This land - as you have all said is Public land - you know there is more to the public in NV than ranchers right?
It's all good when a cow is on it but talk about putting a solar farm on it and by God, let's hang em high.
The hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Capitalism is capitalism folks.
I say...turn it all into 'public land' in all states...or none of it (excepting what is necesssary for the protection ofour borders). Then we can all be on equal footing...as renters. Lmao...it's a comin!
The BLM is under the umbrella of the Dept. of Interior...the 'public land' was purchased by the United States to be 'disposed' of to the people by way of purchase, patents, homesteading etc...so that individuals could attain to the American Dream...Liberty & the Pusuit of Happiness! Or not. People weren't 'forced' to own land nor were we to be 'prevented' from it. The dept of interior is NOT answerable to the people as they are not part of our gov't as structured in the Constitution...they are separate, a complete different 'branch' that is appointed by the president. They take no oath to protect your rights in any way.
They are not the 'law & order' that keeps America free. Quite the opposite.
How would it be if all the land was 'public'? All that land a few on were was complaining about because it's so expensive...would they really want it be managed by the fed?
You're not focusing: this is the state's fights not Bundy's fight. If the state, which it looks like they are fighting it, has not won yet, it's not on Bundy to fight that battle. | |
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| rodeomom13 - 2014-04-15 3:29 PM smiley - 2014-04-15 2:46 PM rodeomom13 - 2014-04-15 1:48 PM musikmaker - 2014-04-15 1:38 PM First, the ONLY charge they need is that the guy isn't paying.
Second, how is a car being charged by a cow not an issue?
Third, yes, it's a company out of China - that I know of - and? So, it's cool to work in China, send our manufacturing to China, buy at WalMart from China, but HECK no on a solar farm on our land, employing Americans. Heck, we can't have that.
And this page from the BLM proves MY point not yours. I don't know why they took it down, public outcry - consirpiracy theorists. I'm second guessing every "consipiracy" theory I've ever read about now. Why wouldn't Reid want to make use of the land in his state and employ people in his state and provide energy in his state. That bastard.
I'm no fan of any politicians but you guys are making a case that dances around the issue - the cattle do not belong on that land - especially dangerous, feral cattle. The two bulls that were shot were charging officers.
I've never been more thankful for laws and coming from ME that's quite something. I don't know why he didn't pay his "fees". He's not the only one in this country who doesn't pay their taxes.
Where does it say a car was "charged" by a cow? Open range is open range. It's also unlawful to harass livestock on open range. Why was the BLM chasing them, especially with helicopters, during the most stressful time, calving season, separating cows from their calves and killing others? They could have done it differently. If they were worried about the money, put a lein on his property, fine him, garnish whatever income he gets. Don't take his cows.
How many Chinese solar companies have to come here, take over American soil just to pad the pockets of the politicians, in this case Harry Reid and his son, then just go bankrupt? Say they win, they run the Bundy's off. Spend millions of taxpayer dollars to build a solar plant. It goes bankrupt like all the others. Who's left with the bill? We the people. That's who.
Where'd they go? Where'd who go? Like Solyndra.... | |
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| Nevertooold - 2014-04-15 3:50 PM rodeomom13 - 2014-04-15 4:29 PM smiley - 2014-04-15 2:46 PM rodeomom13 - 2014-04-15 1:48 PM musikmaker - 2014-04-15 1:38 PM First, the ONLY charge they need is that the guy isn't paying.
Second, how is a car being charged by a cow not an issue?
Third, yes, it's a company out of China - that I know of - and? So, it's cool to work in China, send our manufacturing to China, buy at WalMart from China, but HECK no on a solar farm on our land, employing Americans. Heck, we can't have that.
And this page from the BLM proves MY point not yours. I don't know why they took it down, public outcry - consirpiracy theorists. I'm second guessing every "consipiracy" theory I've ever read about now. Why wouldn't Reid want to make use of the land in his state and employ people in his state and provide energy in his state. That bastard.
I'm no fan of any politicians but you guys are making a case that dances around the issue - the cattle do not belong on that land - especially dangerous, feral cattle. The two bulls that were shot were charging officers.
I've never been more thankful for laws and coming from ME that's quite something. I don't know why he didn't pay his "fees". He's not the only one in this country who doesn't pay their taxes.
Where does it say a car was "charged" by a cow? Open range is open range. It's also unlawful to harass livestock on open range. Why was the BLM chasing them, especially with helicopters, during the most stressful time, calving season, separating cows from their calves and killing others? They could have done it differently. If they were worried about the money, put a lein on his property, fine him, garnish whatever income he gets. Don't take his cows.
How many Chinese solar companies have to come here, take over American soil just to pad the pockets of the politicians, in this case Harry Reid and his son, then just go bankrupt? Say they win, they run the Bundy's off. Spend millions of taxpayer dollars to build a solar plant. It goes bankrupt like all the others. Who's left with the bill? We the people. That's who.
Where'd they go? Where'd who go? Like Solyndra.... | |
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| bscanchaser - 2014-04-15 4:07 PM rodeomom13 - 2014-04-15 4:29 PM smiley - 2014-04-15 2:46 PM rodeomom13 - 2014-04-15 1:48 PM musikmaker - 2014-04-15 1:38 PM First, the ONLY charge they need is that the guy isn't paying.
Second, how is a car being charged by a cow not an issue?
Third, yes, it's a company out of China - that I know of - and? So, it's cool to work in China, send our manufacturing to China, buy at WalMart from China, but HECK no on a solar farm on our land, employing Americans. Heck, we can't have that.
And this page from the BLM proves MY point not yours. I don't know why they took it down, public outcry - consirpiracy theorists. I'm second guessing every "consipiracy" theory I've ever read about now. Why wouldn't Reid want to make use of the land in his state and employ people in his state and provide energy in his state. That bastard.
I'm no fan of any politicians but you guys are making a case that dances around the issue - the cattle do not belong on that land - especially dangerous, feral cattle. The two bulls that were shot were charging officers.
I've never been more thankful for laws and coming from ME that's quite something. I don't know why he didn't pay his "fees". He's not the only one in this country who doesn't pay their taxes.
Where does it say a car was "charged" by a cow? Open range is open range. It's also unlawful to harass livestock on open range. Why was the BLM chasing them, especially with helicopters, during the most stressful time, calving season, separating cows from their calves and killing others? They could have done it differently. If they were worried about the money, put a lein on his property, fine him, garnish whatever income he gets. Don't take his cows.
How many Chinese solar companies have to come here, take over American soil just to pad the pockets of the politicians, in this case Harry Reid and his son, then just go bankrupt? Say they win, they run the Bundy's off. Spend millions of taxpayer dollars to build a solar plant. It goes bankrupt like all the others. Who's left with the bill? We the people. That's who.
Where'd they go? Where'd who go? Like Solyndra.... Just out of curiousity... When a bank puts a lien on your house or car, do you get to keep it even if you continue to not pay? Here in Nevada they repossess those properties for non-payment so what makes this situation any different? Bundy is not the first to have his cattle gathered and removed from public ground that the owner did not have grazing rights to and that he is stealing resources from. He had plenty of time/opportunity to remove his property and chose not to.
You do realize that a large number of companies using Nevada BLM grounds are also from other other countries and that these companies provide jobs, infrastructure and security to our little communities? I would imagine the same will occur when the solar/wind facility is built. It will create jobs for people residing in Nevada- Bundy has no rights to this ground so technically he should have been run-off 2 decades ago... His rights to this ground went away when his permit was cancelled for non-payment.  | |
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| MS2011 - 2014-04-15 4:56 PM I don't give a **** about if the BLM had the rights to round up the cattle or not. SINCE when do we endorse animal abuse by a government agency? For those of you that say it's like repo'ing a car...... these are animals that deserve humane treatment. So maybe you don't agree with the way Bundy ran cattle, that gives the BLM the right to run them in the middle of calving season on incredibly hot days??? WTH?
Where it was complained that they were in the road and a hazard to cars... it's open range. We live in Texas, where we live, if you hit it, it's your fault. Not the animal owner's fault. NV is the same way. Doesn't have anything to do with this issue.
Again, READ what has already been POSTED. Namely the BLM copy and paste. | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | smiley - 2014-04-15 6:22 PM
musikmaker - 2014-04-15 2:57 PM smiley - 2014-04-15 2:43 PM musikmaker - 2014-04-15 12:06 PM smiley - 2014-04-15 11:45 AM Speedy Cowgirl - 2014-04-15 11:13 AM foundation horse - 2014-04-15 11:24 AM WOW! Busted! WOW IS RIGHT !!!
YES, the BLM makes MONEY - and they do that by using FEDERAL land for FEDERAL projects. They have this land in which feral cattle are a danger to others and in which they have tried to get this guy to comply for 20+ years and in order to use THEIR land, they have to remove this guys cattle.
What is the BUSTED??
That they actually want to use the land for something useful? Other than a rancher's uses? This land - as you have all said is Public land - you know there is more to the public in NV than ranchers right?
It's all good when a cow is on it but talk about putting a solar farm on it and by God, let's hang em high.
The hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Capitalism is capitalism folks.
I say...turn it all into 'public land' in all states...or none of it (excepting what is necesssary for the protection ofour borders). Then we can all be on equal footing...as renters. Lmao...it's a comin!
The BLM is under the umbrella of the Dept. of Interior...the 'public land' was purchased by the United States to be 'disposed' of to the people by way of purchase, patents, homesteading etc...so that individuals could attain to the American Dream...Liberty & the Pusuit of Happiness! Or not. People weren't 'forced' to own land nor were we to be 'prevented' from it. The dept of interior is NOT answerable to the people as they are not part of our gov't as structured in the Constitution...they are separate, a complete different 'branch' that is appointed by the president. They take no oath to protect your rights in any way.
They are not the 'law & order' that keeps America free. Quite the opposite.
How would it be if all the land was 'public'? All that land a few on were was complaining about because it's so expensive...would they really want it be managed by the fed?
You seem to have lost sight of the fact.... The feds are not rounding up cows that belong to the state.... | |
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Location: Online | So you don't think the government would run them off if they continued to pay their fees? What then?
Apparently they did everyone else who ran cattle there. He's just the last man in their way.
This is a huge government overreach, I don't care who's side you are on.
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| komet. - 2014-04-15 5:35 PM smiley - 2014-04-15 6:22 PM musikmaker - 2014-04-15 2:57 PM smiley - 2014-04-15 2:43 PM musikmaker - 2014-04-15 12:06 PM smiley - 2014-04-15 11:45 AM Speedy Cowgirl - 2014-04-15 11:13 AM foundation horse - 2014-04-15 11:24 AM WOW! Busted! WOW IS RIGHT !!!
YES, the BLM makes MONEY - and they do that by using FEDERAL land for FEDERAL projects. They have this land in which feral cattle are a danger to others and in which they have tried to get this guy to comply for 20+ years and in order to use THEIR land, they have to remove this guys cattle.
What is the BUSTED??
That they actually want to use the land for something useful? Other than a rancher's uses? This land - as you have all said is Public land - you know there is more to the public in NV than ranchers right?
It's all good when a cow is on it but talk about putting a solar farm on it and by God, let's hang em high.
The hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Capitalism is capitalism folks.
I say...turn it all into 'public land' in all states...or none of it (excepting what is necesssary for the protection ofour borders). Then we can all be on equal footing...as renters. Lmao...it's a comin!
The BLM is under the umbrella of the Dept. of Interior...the 'public land' was purchased by the United States to be 'disposed' of to the people by way of purchase, patents, homesteading etc...so that individuals could attain to the American Dream...Liberty & the Pusuit of Happiness! Or not. People weren't 'forced' to own land nor were we to be 'prevented' from it. The dept of interior is NOT answerable to the people as they are not part of our gov't as structured in the Constitution...they are separate, a complete different 'branch' that is appointed by the president. They take no oath to protect your rights in any way.
They are not the 'law & order' that keeps America free. Quite the opposite.
How would it be if all the land was 'public'? All that land a few on were was complaining about because it's so expensive...would they really want it be managed by the fed?
You seem to have lost sight of the fact.... The feds are not rounding up cows that belong to the state....
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MS2011 - 2014-04-15 5:56 PM
I don't give a **** about if the BLM had the rights to round up the cattle or not. SINCE when do we endorse animal abuse by a government agency? For those of you that say it's like repo'ing a car...... these are animals that deserve humane treatment. So maybe you don't agree with the way Bundy ran cattle, that gives the BLM the right to run them in the middle of calving season on incredibly hot days??? WTH?
Where it was complained that they were in the road and a hazard to cars... it's open range. We live in Texas, where we live, if you hit it, it's your fault. Not the animal owner's fault. NV is the same way. Doesn't have anything to do with this issue.
I'm pretty sure NV. is open range... I know ID is.... If you hit it, it's your fault..
But the BLM rounds up Mustangs the same way..
The way Nevada state law reads is that it is an open range state so cattle owners cannot be sued for animal hit except in the case if an animal is hit within a fenced Right-of-Way for the state highway. In these cases, the owner can and most likely will be sued for any damages as a result of the animal collision. See NRS 568.360 | |
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| rodeomom13 - 2014-04-15 5:37 PM So you don't think the government would run them off if they continued to pay their fees? What then?
Apparently they did everyone else who ran cattle there. He's just the last man in their way.
This is a huge government overreach, I don't care who's side you are on.
I should have stayed out of it like I said I would on page 12.
The BLM did not run them off, the Turtle conservancy, as has been posted, created an "issue" out of it and forced hte BLM to do an EA, in that EA time frame there is a public scoping period, they have to take into account everyone that showsup and protests.
Bundy was told to decrease his cattle for his existing grazing permit, apparently he could have purchased more permits, but did not. The TURTLE People bought the remaining permits and paid their fees.
THINGS change folks - again, if you think it's govt., overreach, join the associations that are fighting it, go to court, go to the state, contact your congressmen, don't support a squatter and think it will make a bit of difference. This man is only making the law abiding ranchers look like fools.
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Location: SE Louisiana | bscanchaser - 2014-04-15 6:43 PM
komet. - 2014-04-15 6:00 PM
MS2011 - 2014-04-15 5:56 PM
I don't give a **** about if the BLM had the rights to round up the cattle or not. SINCE when do we endorse animal abuse by a government agency? For those of you that say it's like repo'ing a car...... these are animals that deserve humane treatment. So maybe you don't agree with the way Bundy ran cattle, that gives the BLM the right to run them in the middle of calving season on incredibly hot days??? WTH?
Where it was complained that they were in the road and a hazard to cars... it's open range. We live in Texas, where we live, if you hit it, it's your fault. Not the animal owner's fault. NV is the same way. Doesn't have anything to do with this issue.
I'm pretty sure NV. is open range... I know ID is.... If you hit it, it's your fault..
But the BLM rounds up Mustangs the same way..
The way Nevada state law reads is that it is an open range state so cattle owners cannot be sued for animal hit except in the case if an animal is hit within a fenced Right-of-Way for the state highway. In these cases, the owner can and most likely will be sued for any damages as a result of the animal collision. See NRS 568.360
I wonder how they do this. Is the state not responsible for keeping the cows OUT of their fenced in right-of-way? In Idaho they do this by placing cattle guards on ramps on and off the interstates.. but sometimes they will simply paint lines there to resemble a guard and hope the cows are too stupid to cross it,
Edited by komet. 2014-04-15 6:53 PM
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Location: Online | komet. - 2014-04-15 5:52 PM bscanchaser - 2014-04-15 6:43 PM komet. - 2014-04-15 6:00 PM MS2011 - 2014-04-15 5:56 PM I don't give a **** about if the BLM had the rights to round up the cattle or not. SINCE when do we endorse animal abuse by a government agency? For those of you that say it's like repo'ing a car...... these are animals that deserve humane treatment. So maybe you don't agree with the way Bundy ran cattle, that gives the BLM the right to run them in the middle of calving season on incredibly hot days??? WTH?
Where it was complained that they were in the road and a hazard to cars... it's open range. We live in Texas, where we live, if you hit it, it's your fault. Not the animal owner's fault. NV is the same way. Doesn't have anything to do with this issue. I'm pretty sure NV. is open range... I know ID is.... If you hit it, it's your fault.. But the BLM rounds up Mustangs the same way.. The way Nevada state law reads is that it is an open range state so cattle owners cannot be sued for animal hit except in the case if an animal is hit within a fenced Right-of-Way for the state highway. In these cases, the owner can and most likely will be sued for any damages as a result of the animal collision. See NRS 568.360 I wonder how they do this. Is the state not responsible for keeping the cows OUT of their fenced in right-of-way? In Idaho they do this by placing cattle guards on ramps on and off the interstates.. but sometimes they will simply paint lines there to resemble a guard and hope the cows are too stupid to cross it,
From what I understand is that there are designated open range areas, like in the most rural areas. Not the entire state is open range - the more urban areas are not. These areas are usually posted with signs saying they are open range. I could be wrong.
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | komet. - 2014-04-15 5:35 PM smiley - 2014-04-15 6:22 PM musikmaker - 2014-04-15 2:57 PM smiley - 2014-04-15 2:43 PM musikmaker - 2014-04-15 12:06 PM smiley - 2014-04-15 11:45 AM Speedy Cowgirl - 2014-04-15 11:13 AM foundation horse - 2014-04-15 11:24 AM WOW! Busted! WOW IS RIGHT !!!
YES, the BLM makes MONEY - and they do that by using FEDERAL land for FEDERAL projects. They have this land in which feral cattle are a danger to others and in which they have tried to get this guy to comply for 20+ years and in order to use THEIR land, they have to remove this guys cattle.
What is the BUSTED??
That they actually want to use the land for something useful? Other than a rancher's uses? This land - as you have all said is Public land - you know there is more to the public in NV than ranchers right?
It's all good when a cow is on it but talk about putting a solar farm on it and by God, let's hang em high.
The hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Capitalism is capitalism folks.
I say...turn it all into 'public land' in all states...or none of it (excepting what is necesssary for the protection ofour borders). Then we can all be on equal footing...as renters. Lmao...it's a comin!
The BLM is under the umbrella of the Dept. of Interior...the 'public land' was purchased by the United States to be 'disposed' of to the people by way of purchase, patents, homesteading etc...so that individuals could attain to the American Dream...Liberty & the Pusuit of Happiness! Or not. People weren't 'forced' to own land nor were we to be 'prevented' from it. The dept of interior is NOT answerable to the people as they are not part of our gov't as structured in the Constitution...they are separate, a complete different 'branch' that is appointed by the president. They take no oath to protect your rights in any way.
They are not the 'law & order' that keeps America free. Quite the opposite.
How would it be if all the land was 'public'? All that land a few on were was complaining about because it's so expensive...would they really want it be managed by the fed?
You seem to have lost sight of the fact.... The feds are not rounding up cows that belong to the state....
Smiley...who do you think the law is? It's ME. It's YOU. The men/women wearing the badges simply represent US. Same with the politicians...the 'Fed' that we're refering to (dept of Interior) do NOT represent US in any way. I will never lose my focus. | |
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| rodeomom13 - 2014-04-15 6:57 PM komet. - 2014-04-15 5:52 PM bscanchaser - 2014-04-15 6:43 PM komet. - 2014-04-15 6:00 PM MS2011 - 2014-04-15 5:56 PM I don't give a **** about if the BLM had the rights to round up the cattle or not. SINCE when do we endorse animal abuse by a government agency? For those of you that say it's like repo'ing a car...... these are animals that deserve humane treatment. So maybe you don't agree with the way Bundy ran cattle, that gives the BLM the right to run them in the middle of calving season on incredibly hot days??? WTH?
Where it was complained that they were in the road and a hazard to cars... it's open range. We live in Texas, where we live, if you hit it, it's your fault. Not the animal owner's fault. NV is the same way. Doesn't have anything to do with this issue. I'm pretty sure NV. is open range... I know ID is.... If you hit it, it's your fault.. But the BLM rounds up Mustangs the same way.. The way Nevada state law reads is that it is an open range state so cattle owners cannot be sued for animal hit except in the case if an animal is hit within a fenced Right-of-Way for the state highway. In these cases, the owner can and most likely will be sued for any damages as a result of the animal collision. See NRS 568.360 I wonder how they do this. Is the state not responsible for keeping the cows OUT of their fenced in right-of-way? In Idaho they do this by placing cattle guards on ramps on and off the interstates.. but sometimes they will simply paint lines there to resemble a guard and hope the cows are too stupid to cross it,
Nevada has cattleguards and fences in place on every state road. Some routes do not have continuous fence but are posted for cattle- I can honestly only think of about 2 routes that are this way in my immediate area and there is basically no traffic on them except for the people who live in the area. The stance the State tends to take is that they did their due diligence to keep cattle off the roadway by installing fences and cattleguards. If fencing gets knocked down, NDOT will fix it if they know about it but the responsibility still remains with the livestock owners to contain their animals. I know of one lawsuit currently where a cow was hit on IR80- the persons involved are suing the livestock owner.
Edited by bscanchaser 2014-04-15 7:10 PM
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