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Location: Bastrop, Texas | linds - 2014-04-30 9:18 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-30 9:11 PM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 4:02 PM R4R fb announcement:
EHV-1: Throughout the 2014 outbreak we have been in contact with multiple veterinarians as well as carefully monitored the University of Minnesota and the MN Board of Animal Health websites. There is a lot of good information regarding biosecurity and precautions that should be taken to help spread ANY disease among our equine population. Please refer to their websites for up to date and accurate information. For our event at Red Horse, we will ask that you follow their recommendations…. Disinfect tack before use, don’t share tack or buckets, limit nose to nose contact with other horses, and limit the number of horses in the warm up areas. Although campsites are assigned, we can move folks around if they want to tie out at their trailers during the day. Feel free to bring tarps if you’d like to hang them between your stall and your neighbor. We prefer that you use zip ties but if you use duct tape, please remove it before you leave. We have already put “stall buddies” together that may represent friends, family and traveling groups. We will do what we can to have an empty stall here and there to give folks a bit more space. There will also be disinfectant solution throughout the barns for folks to use. Although we are beyond the 2-14 day incubation period for the Lincoln, Nebraska event, we recognize that continued diligence is important. There have been and continue to be, a large number of equine events throughout our area. It appears barrel horses have been more affected this year and we want to make sure we take extra precautions. If you have additional suggestions, please feel free to message or call me at xxx-xxx-xxxx. Thank you and looking forward to a great weekend! Sara, I was just on their FB page and I didn't see this anywhere. Where did you get this? Can you post the link, because I can't find it. On the one hand they want to give an "all clear" message that says it's safe to proceed, but on the other hand they aknowlege this is a serious risk for which a number of precautions ought to be used....empty stalls separating groups of stalls (if possible), tarps, encouraging tie outs, disinfect everything, don't touch other's horses, don't let horses touch each other, etc.... These kinds of precautions aren't typically stressed when there aren't outbreaks, so if it's so safe, why all these safeguards? Obviously the answer is because there is significant risk that needs to be minimized. The next obvious question is if there remains significant risk and the show can be moved back, why not move it back to a time when that risk has waned? Somebody want to help me out here? It's like saying there's no risk of being shot when you are in downtown Baghdad, but wear a bulletproof vest anyway.
If there is an outbreak of a deadly, resistant bacterial infection in a community, you take precautions if you have to work in that hospital, and that will minimize risk to a certain extent, but the best way to minimize risk is to stay the hell out of the hospital. Same thing here.
Oh who told you that, Lindsey? If they can't cancel, what was the reason they gave? I was told they did have an alternate date available. I do know that there are a couple open weekends at the RHR in July (5th and 25th) where nothing is scheduled. If that's the case, then the obvious question is WOULD they cancel if there indeed was an alternate date available? If they say "yes we would", then that clears everything up. The decision is purely a business decision. I can handle that. If someone's horse dies as a consequence of exposure at this event the producers ought to be absolved of any fault/guilt whatsoever.....people simply took the risk, ignored warnings, took all precautions, and lost. Heck, up until yesterday I was set to go myself.
In that case, I now understand why the show must go on. | |
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Location: WI | HotbearLVR - 2014-04-30 9:50 PM linds - 2014-04-30 9:18 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-30 9:11 PM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 4:02 PM R4R fb announcement:
EHV-1: Throughout the 2014 outbreak we have been in contact with multiple veterinarians as well as carefully monitored the University of Minnesota and the MN Board of Animal Health websites. There is a lot of good information regarding biosecurity and precautions that should be taken to help spread ANY disease among our equine population. Please refer to their websites for up to date and accurate information. For our event at Red Horse, we will ask that you follow their recommendations…. Disinfect tack before use, don’t share tack or buckets, limit nose to nose contact with other horses, and limit the number of horses in the warm up areas. Although campsites are assigned, we can move folks around if they want to tie out at their trailers during the day. Feel free to bring tarps if you’d like to hang them between your stall and your neighbor. We prefer that you use zip ties but if you use duct tape, please remove it before you leave. We have already put “stall buddies” together that may represent friends, family and traveling groups. We will do what we can to have an empty stall here and there to give folks a bit more space. There will also be disinfectant solution throughout the barns for folks to use. Although we are beyond the 2-14 day incubation period for the Lincoln, Nebraska event, we recognize that continued diligence is important. There have been and continue to be, a large number of equine events throughout our area. It appears barrel horses have been more affected this year and we want to make sure we take extra precautions. If you have additional suggestions, please feel free to message or call me at xxx-xxx-xxxx. Thank you and looking forward to a great weekend! Sara, I was just on their FB page and I didn't see this anywhere. Where did you get this? Can you post the link, because I can't find it. On the one hand they want to give an "all clear" message that says it's safe to proceed, but on the other hand they aknowlege this is a serious risk for which a number of precautions ought to be used....empty stalls separating groups of stalls (if possible), tarps, encouraging tie outs, disinfect everything, don't touch other's horses, don't let horses touch each other, etc.... These kinds of precautions aren't typically stressed when there aren't outbreaks, so if it's so safe, why all these safeguards? Obviously the answer is because there is significant risk that needs to be minimized. The next obvious question is if there remains significant risk and the show can be moved back, why not move it back to a time when that risk has waned? Somebody want to help me out here? It's like saying there's no risk of being shot when you are in downtown Baghdad, but wear a bulletproof vest anyway.
If there is an outbreak of a deadly, resistant bacterial infection in a community, you take precautions if you have to work in that hospital, and that will minimize risk to a certain extent, but the best way to minimize risk is to stay the hell out of the hospital. Same thing here.
In that case, I now understand why the show must go on.
Scott, I pm'd you. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | nettieb3 - 2014-04-30 9:15 PM off the R4R fb page
I still don't see it. | |
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Location: Southern Wisconsin | The producers of the Big J Barrel Blast have given contestants until tomorrow at noon to receive a 60% refund. That show is at NCC in Waterloo, IA May 2-4 | |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-04-30 10:02 PM
nettieb3 - 2014-04-30 9:15 PM off the R4R fb page
I still don't see it.
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10152385246167248&... | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-30 10:06 PM The producers of the Big J Barrel Blast have given contestants until tomorrow at noon to receive a 60% refund. That show is at NCC in Waterloo, IA May 2-4
Now that is a very reasonable, decent gesture. Shows a lot of class.
I wish the R4R would extend the same courtesy. | |
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Location: Wisconsin | Scott did you try and sell yours? I was fortunate to be able to sell mine. and she was very helpful in taking care of electrical. She said she had a file for those wanting to sell and would try and match up peeps entering. I had already had mine sold before I notified her
And, i had sold my open spots and stall to someone else, so mine was kinda nightmare entry..she is collecting money from them when they check in and sending me a check monday.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | nettieb3 - 2014-04-30 10:30 PM Scott did you try and sell yours? I was fortunate to be able to sell mine. and she was very helpful in taking care of electrical. She said she had a file for those wanting to sell and would try and match up peeps entering. I had already had mine sold before I notified her
And, i had sold my open spots and stall to someone else, so mine was kinda nightmare entry..she is collecting money from them when they check in and sending me a check monday.
They can have it, Nettie. I only paid into the pole bending slot race and was pumped for it. Still, I knew I wasn't sure I would go even at that point because of all the activity with this virus. I was planning on late entering. I really don't have a dog in this fight other than I feel that some people who are paid in and can't get a refund are going to coerce themselves into going. I think a lot of people would opt out if they knew they could get a partial refund, under the circumstances....like they are offering in Iowa. I hope they get away with it and they probably will.....but if they don't there will be a lot of finger pointing, and I hate to see that happen. For me it's not about the money, personally. | |
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Location: relocated to Texas | Barrels&Babies - 2014-05-01 9:06 PM The producers of the Big J Barrel Blast have given contestants until tomorrow at noon to receive a 60% refund. That show is at NCC in Waterloo, IA May 2-4
Good for them. This is exactly what I was talking about in an earlier post. I think most contestants would understand that the producers have spent money prior to the show to hold the event and that they cannot give a full refund back. All of the horse community needs to share in the responsibility of getting this virus contained. That means staying home until it is under control. | |
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Location: western Nebraska | In the case of my barrel race that was scheduled for this weekend-I was lucky enough that I could get another weekend for the end of the month. I got the motel rooms, announcer, help, everything changed. We don't have as big a barrel race as you all are talking about -but over the 3 days last year had about 700 runs. But these women are my friends and I would hate if they came to support my race and then something happened to one of their horses. The vets are saying now that by the end of May we should be all clear to go.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | doglady - 2014-05-01 10:09 AM In the case of my barrel race that was scheduled for this weekend-I was lucky enough that I could get another weekend for the end of the month. I got the motel rooms, announcer, help, everything changed. We don't have as big a barrel race as you all are talking about -but over the 3 days last year had about 700 runs. But these women are my friends and I would hate if they came to support my race and then something happened to one of their horses. The vets are saying now that by the end of May we should be all clear to go.
I respect you for doing the right thing, Martee. That's why people look up to you and respect you, because in a way you are an ambassador of our sport, having competed at the very higest levels with success. That's what a leader does. Nebraska has only had a fraction of the cases we've had up here. How many reported cases have you had? Up here we are smack dab in the middle of it. It all started up here a couple months ago. Just one week ago they euthanized one in Wisconsin, and yet they somehow have this confidence that everything has passed. Between Minnesota, ND, and Wisconsin we have had the highest concentration of these cases. Compare the way they handled this in Iowa and where you are with the way this is being handled. Like I was saying, if some young lady has $500 of her hard earned money tied up in this and refunds are out of the question, if she is on the fence trying to decide whether or not to go, I'm afraid she will throw caution to the wind, especially knowing that tarps and lysol are the answer. | |
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Location: North Dakota | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-01 10:30 AM doglady - 2014-05-01 10:09 AM In the case of my barrel race that was scheduled for this weekend-I was lucky enough that I could get another weekend for the end of the month. I got the motel rooms, announcer, help, everything changed. We don't have as big a barrel race as you all are talking about -but over the 3 days last year had about 700 runs. But these women are my friends and I would hate if they came to support my race and then something happened to one of their horses. The vets are saying now that by the end of May we should be all clear to go.
I respect you for doing the right thing, Martee. That's why people look up to you and respect you, because in a way you are an ambassador of our sport, having competed at the very higest levels with success. That's what a leader does. Nebraska has only had a fraction of the cases we've had up here. How many reported cases have you had? Up here we are smack dab in the middle of it. It all started up here a couple months ago. Just one week ago they euthanized one in Wisconsin, and yet they somehow have this confidence that everything has passed. Between Minnesota, ND, and Wisconsin we have had the highest concentration of these cases. Compare the way they handled this in Iowa and where you are with the way this is being handled. Like I was saying, if some young lady has $500 of her hard earned money tied up in this and refunds are out of the question, if she is on the fence trying to decide whether or not to go, I'm afraid she will throw caution to the wind, especially knowing that tarps and lysol are the answer.
I know of a few that are in that exact boat. :( | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | There are people from Wisconsin entered in the R4R. They just put one down in Wisconsin with EHV-1 less than a week ago yet they are using these "incubation period" numbers as a way of justifying going ahead with this event. How does that work? Can someone explain this?
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Location: North Dakota | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-01 12:53 PM There are people from Wisconsin entered in the R4R. They just put one down in Wisconsin with EHV-1 less than a week ago yet they are using these "incubation period" numbers as a way of justifying going ahead with this event. How does that work? Can someone explain this?
I do not get it either. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place and sounds like they are grasping at straws to defend their choice. They say they have been in contact with Stillwater Vet Clinic but Stillwater has been very vocal about not hauling and that barrel racers need to take preventative measures. | |
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Location: mn | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-01 12:53 PM There are people from Wisconsin entered in the R4R. They just put one down in Wisconsin with EHV-1 less than a week ago yet they are using these "incubation period" numbers as a way of justifying going ahead with this event. How does that work? Can someone explain this?
I am scratching my head at this too.
Anoka Equine Vet posted yesterday that any horses that were in Lincoln are to be considered exposed, and basically should not be traveling to other barns or events at this time. Yet, there are horses that ran in Lincoln running this weekend at R4R's.
Anoka Equine also recommends that if you are holding a show, horses arriving should have a health certificate within 7 days prior to the show, and the vet should note: “To my knowledge this horse has not been exposed to EHV-1 in the last 21 days”.
If you ask me, they are trying to give producers an out to turn away the horses that ran at Lincoln. Which probably is not a bad idea.
The statement R4R's came out with yesterday does not make any mention of this, only of tarps and sanitizer.
Someone on the R4R facebook page asked about horses from Lincoln coming, and the response was we are past the incubation period for Lincoln, so should be okay. | |
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Location: ND | i have no problem with RHR putting on a race......no one actually has to go if they are worried......and honestly, i don't have a problem with money not being refunded either if you decide not go and they still put it on......some seem to act like it's their whole life savings that they are 'losing' if they don't go and this still takes place......unless something was specified in an events rules about no shows and refunds, then quit whining about it.......and if RHR puts on a race and a whole bunch of horses get sick after, it's bad PR for them and a learning lesson for those that go......
although, imo, that is highly unlikely.....might be a couple sick horses that pop up though...... | |
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| Have any of you actually called the producer? Or are you just assuming she will come on here and read all your opinions? Stillwater stated they didn't feel it was necessary to put the traveling restriction back into place. There's a college rodeo going on in Nebraska this weekend with horses from MN, ND, SD, WI, NE, etc. Why is no one raising their voice about that? Trust me, Race for Roses isn't the only race going on in this "EHV-1 Zone."
Keep in mind we haven't had any positive cases in the MN area since the positive result came back on 4/4. Even if the incubation period has now changed to 10-20 days, BRF will be 19 days out tomorrow. Is there risk? Absolutely. As great of risk as there was a month ago? Unlikely. The woman I was suppose to be stalled next to was at BRF, and from what I hear she isn't coming. I applaud her for making that decision.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | WrapN3MN - 2014-05-01 1:32 PM Have any of you actually called the producer? Or are you just assuming she will come on here and read all your opinions? Stillwater stated they didn't feel it was necessary to put the traveling restriction back into place. There's a college rodeo going on in Nebraska this weekend with horses from MN, ND, SD, WI, NE, etc. Why is no one raising their voice about that? Trust me, Race for Roses isn't the only race going on in this "EHV-1 Zone."
Keep in mind we haven't had any positive cases in the MN area since the positive result came back on 4/4. Even if the incubation period has now changed to 10-20 days, BRF will be 19 days out tomorrow. Is there risk? Absolutely. As great of risk as there was a month ago? Unlikely. The woman I was suppose to be stalled next to was at BRF, and from what I hear she isn't coming. I applaud her for making that decision.
Flame away, dont care.
First of all, Verna knows how I feel about this. Way back in March right after all the Minnesota cases popped up they were planning on forging ahead with some district NBHA show in Verndale. I spoke up and make my opinion crystal clear and said exactly why I felt that way. Of course, I incurred the wrath of people who were self serving and had a vested interest in having that little district barrel race in Verndale. Verna and I exchanged a few PMs on FB and she started telling me that I'm not a vet and basically shouldn't say anything without knowing all the "facts". I had to "correct" her in her assessment of my knowledge of viruses, etc... I also posted on the R4R facebook page. In fact, I am one of the few who even dared post against having this event.
You say we haven't had any positive cases here in Minnesota "since the last positive case came out on 4/4". What about the "positive case that was euthanized right next door in Wisconsin last week? Are you saying there won't be Wisconsin horses at the R4R?
Like I said, I hope they get away with it....if the do, that's exactly what it will be....fortuitous. We all do risky things......I hope this is one time when "we" get away with it, because if we aren't, the blame game will commence. I don't know anything about that rodeo you are talking about, but I do know that events in places where the "risk" is lower are being cancelled and at least partial refunds are being offered. Peronally, it makes no difference to me. I just think right is right.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I stand corrected. I just found out that that virus that killed the horse next door in Wisconsin a few days ago hates Minnesota and he doesn't like Norweigians. He only likes cheeseheads. He knows where the border is, and he will jump out of the trailer if it approaches the St Croix river. He's one of those super viruses....very smart. Nevermind. | |
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Location: ND | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-01 2:16 PM I stand corrected. I just found out that that virus that killed the horse next door in Wisconsin a few days ago hates Minnesota and he doesn't like Norweigians. He only likes cheeseheads. He knows where the border is, and he will jump out of the trailer if it approaches the St Croix river. He's one of those super viruses....very smart. Nevermind. **** biotech from the govt....probably a union exposure in WI......of course they'd protect MN......**** bunch of greedy union loving socialists.....
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