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Location: Riding Crackhead. | GoGaited - 2015-02-08 1:48 PM SKM - 2015-02-06 7:20 AM The reply I got from Cargill/Nutrena/Triple Crown:Hello Stacey, Thank you for contacting us. The majority of Nutrena horse feed manufacturing locations do not handle monesin/rumensin. However, our mill in Sterling, CO that would most likely service your area does have rumensin. Please know that in addition to following the FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, we also utilize HACCP, which is for managing risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not actually required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat), so is an additional set of processes that we utilize to manage all of the areas of risk involved in producing horse feeds, beyond just the monensin, as there are many factors at play in manufacturing safe, quality feeds. Our manufacturing locations and employees are fully dedicated to providing a safe product. If you have any further questions, please let us know! Thank you! Similar to the PM! that purina sent me on their Facebook after I posted a question.
Brenda, thanks for asking about this issue. We understand your concerns about ionophores in horse feed, because feed and manufacturing safety are two of our top priorities. Most of our plants that manufacture horse feed don't manufacture cattle feed, so ionophores aren't present. However, as a result of innovation in our manufacturing processes, we do have four plants where horse feed is manufactured along with cattle feed that contains ionophores. These plants do use advanced systems and processes to keep the two feeds separate and protect against cross-contamination.
If you have any additional questions, our customer service department would be happy to speak with you. Please give them a call at 1-800-227-8941 during Monday-Friday business hours. Thank you!
I haven't had a chance to call to ask about which plants.
I see you're in Nebraska. I would bet yours comes from KC also. |
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Location: your guess is as good as mine | Nevertooold - 2015-02-06 1:55 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-06 2:53 PM I was fortunate enough just now to receive my very own personal phone call from Jason Hartley with ADM.
Per Jason:
The FDA has set no allowable limits on Monensin in horse feed.
Our published research shows that horses were exposed to a feed with 33ppm for 28 days and showed no signs of illness or backed away from the feed.
The only way to get our point across to this company and all the rest is to only support MONENSIN FREE mills. Jason would not even respond to my suggestion that they separate their operations and only produce medicated cattle feed in facilities that do not produce feed for horses.
This tells me one thing..They don't give a crap. I'll never buy another product from this company.
Agree. I just bought 200# each of SeniorGLO and PrimeGLO, 80# of HealthyGLO, and a Gro Strong quad block. One bag of HealthyGLO and the quad block are getting shipped back...the rest is getting put into buckets and tossed out outside my pasture. I debated because as someone else mentioned so far it's only been the Patriot line from one particular feed mill. This response is what made up my mind for me - ADM, or at least Mr Hartley (who is their representative), obviously has no concern in the well-being of my horses and no interest in my concerns as a horse owner. Fine...I stopped at my regular feed store yesterday and bought a load of SC Senior, and I will be checking the tags to see which mill it is produced at before I start feeding it (hopefully since I am on the Arkansas/Oklahoma border ours is also manufactured at the OKC plant). Until then my guys will have to make do with grass hay and alfalfa...hopefully my old gal won't lose too much in the meantime.
ETA: I'm tempted to print out this response and include it with the products I'm shipping back...and tell them that their obvious lack of concern tells me they're not worth MY money. 
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| ETA:Â I'm tempted to print out this response and include it with the products I'm shipping back...and tell them that their obvious lack of concern tells me they're not worth MY money. Â
DO IT. I wrote on there public face book wall that until they use an ion free mill ill be switching to a feed with a garantee |
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Location: Beggs, OK | WYOracer - 2015-02-07 9:58 PM Anything about ADM JUNIOR GLO? Or is it just the patriot lines?
It's not about the type of feed from a specific manufacturer. Your concern is about the mill it's produced in. If the mill produces medicated cattle feed in the same facility as horse feed, then none of the horse feed is technically "safe" from exposure. |
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Location: Kansas | want2chase3 - 2015-02-07 9:07 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-07 9:52 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-02-06 11:05 AM fatchance - 2015-02-06 10:59 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-02-06 8:45 AM I just hung up from my local Purina rep. Our Purina comes out of KC and the cattle products out of Sioux City. She reassured me that anything coming out of a Purina bag (equine) is safe. I hope so. I was feeding my gelding Nutrena but after seeing SKM's post that's making me a little nervous. I hope they are correct and not telling us what we want to hear......After reading about needing to be worried about the trucks who haul the grain, I am leaning towards zero grain. This is NUTS! I missed that about the trucks. What was said?
COMFORTING!!!..... since that is what my horses are being fed  |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Bibliafarm - 2015-02-07 2:11 PM Update on my friends in AL.. whoms feed tested positive ..
We have had a week filled with highs and lows as we have tried to gain more knowledge regarding our current situation. Our second round of troponin testing show...ed that two horses had elevated out of the "normal" range. We also held our breath as we went through a round of echocardiograms on Friday and received the news that one of the four horses has measurable cardiac abnormalities consistent with monensin exposure. He was discharged with instructions for complete rest until we can determine that he has returned to normal cardiac function.
Still other horses are being cleared to proceed with exercise ECG's to determine the functionality of the heart during increased activity. It is exhausting to experience a measure of relief and devastation in the same day and we are only getting started. We are doing everything in our power to ensure that the horses are monitored and the best diagnostic procedures are available to them.
Everyone please take this situation seriously and if you have had horses on feed manufactured by ADM Alliance Nutrition have your horses monitored for monensin exposure. It is a life threatening substance to horses and I cannot stress enough to be diligent in having your feed tested. Regardless of what you hear, the FDA says that NO amount of monensin is allowed in feed intended for equine consumption.
I've been in contact with him and was just sick to hear that they have damage even with the normal troponin levels... With the very small amounts of Monensin that were in his feed, it's even more terrifying. That level of exposure goes unnoticed all the time. We just think that our horses have some unrelated bellyache.
How many of you want to run barrels on a horse that has heart damage? Would you want to buy a horse that had confirmed Monensin exposure, even with a prepurchase exam that says that their heart isn't damaged? The only way to protect yourself is to stop buying horse feed from mills that produced medicated cattle feed.
Knowing what I know now, I don't think I'll ever be able to buy another horse without having a cardiac exam done along with all of the other prepurchase necessities. |
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| mreklaw - 2015-02-07 12:39 PM Has anyone checked on alfalfa pellets?
I contacted Standlee Alfalfa and they assured me that their facilities are 100% ionophore free. |
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Location: Florida.. | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 9:01 AM WYOracer - 2015-02-07 9:58 PM Anything about ADM JUNIOR GLO? Or is it just the patriot lines? It's not about the type of feed from a specific manufacturer. Your concern is about the mill it's produced in. If the mill produces medicated cattle feed in the same facility as horse feed, then none of the horse feed is technically "safe" from exposure.
and that is the bottom line here..we all need to call the mills that make the feed and ask..if we havent already and there are several brands on here and it states free or not... this thread has been a real eye opener and possibly with enough questions and emails and calls the companies that care about their consumers will make changes.. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Bibliafarm - 2015-02-09 8:13 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 9:01 AM WYOracer - 2015-02-07 9:58 PM Anything about ADM JUNIOR GLO? Or is it just the patriot lines? It's not about the type of feed from a specific manufacturer. Your concern is about the mill it's produced in. If the mill produces medicated cattle feed in the same facility as horse feed, then none of the horse feed is technically "safe" from exposure.
I have also been pressing my local legislators to look into the issue. When a feed tests positive the State Department of Agriculture as well as the FDA need to be involved.
Contact your State Representative or any State Representative that is educated on livestock related issues. |
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| Im stessed i can not find 1 brand of horse feed available to me were i live that is produced in an ion free mill...i refuse to feed purina because every bag i open is different and things that arent suppose to have corn at all seem to have whole corn consistendly finding its way in my bags. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 8:43 AM Im stessed i can not find 1 brand of horse feed available to me were i live that is produced in an ion free mill...i refuse to feed purina because every bag i open is different and things that arent suppose to have corn at all seem to have whole corn consistendly finding its way in my bags.
Where are you located? Someone on here might be able to help. |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 8:59 AM
Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 8:43 AM Im stessed i can not find 1 brand of horse feed available to me were i live that is produced in an ion free mill...i refuse to feed purina because every bag i open is different and things that arent suppose to have corn at all seem to have whole corn consistendly finding its way in my bags.
Where are you located? Â Someone on here might be able to help.Â
South east kansas ...was looking into blue bonnet but we dont have a dealer within 6 hours from here |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 10:07 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 8:59 AM Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 8:43 AM Im stessed i can not find 1 brand of horse feed available to me were i live that is produced in an ion free mill...i refuse to feed purina because every bag i open is different and things that arent suppose to have corn at all seem to have whole corn consistendly finding its way in my bags. Where are you located? Someone on here might be able to help. South east kansas ...was looking into blue bonnet but we dont have a dealer within 6 hours from here
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Location: TN | Ugh!!! I wanted to switch to Renew Gold and it's not in my area.....I then decided on Bluebonnet....it's not in my area.....I have found some Tribute about an hour away but really wish I could feed Renew Gold...I have to do something quick because I have a bag full of ADM Primeglo that I was feeding and now I have no feed at all because I am not going to continue to feed it.....I have a 31 year old gelding and a 10 year old hard keeper mare that cannot go without feed.!!!! I want Renew Gold!!! |
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| Can someone please post or PM me the address to have my feed samples tested? I am going to go that route for now. Thanks! |
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| bracer41 - 2015-02-09 7:33 AM
Ugh!!! I wanted to switch to Renew Gold and it's not in my area.....I then decided on Bluebonnet....it's not in my area.....I have found some Tribute about an hour away but really wish I could feed Renew Gold...I have to do something quick because I have a bag full of ADM Primeglo that I was feeding and now I have no feed at all because I am not going to continue to feed it.....I have a 31 year old gelding and a 10 year old hard keeper mare that cannot go without feed.!!!! I want Renew Gold!!!Â
Maybe pick up some rice bran? Platinum performance makes an awesome product that is a complete supplement. It has quite a bit of fat and calories. |
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Location: TN | FLITASTIC - 2015-02-09 9:35 AM bracer41 - 2015-02-09 7:33 AM Ugh!!! I wanted to switch to Renew Gold and it's not in my area.....I then decided on Bluebonnet....it's not in my area.....I have found some Tribute about an hour away but really wish I could feed Renew Gold...I have to do something quick because I have a bag full of ADM Primeglo that I was feeding and now I have no feed at all because I am not going to continue to feed it.....I have a 31 year old gelding and a 10 year old hard keeper mare that cannot go without feed.!!!! I want Renew Gold!!! Maybe pick up some rice bran? Platinum performance makes an awesome product that is a complete supplement. It has quite a bit of fat and calories.
Thanks....I'm going to try and get some Renew Gold in this area but I may do that in the mean time...... |
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| I am in Ardmore, OK and feed Nutrena Special Care and Nutrena Sr. Would these be safe to feed? I am checking into Bluebonnet but until then I am still feeding the Nutrena. Wanting to get all 3 horses on the same feed if possible. |
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| I've contacted Nutrena, ADM, and Purina (for the Producer's Pride Oats). I got a response from Nutrena (Texas Area Mills), still waiting on all but Nutrena, here's there reply to me:
Thank you for contacting us. The majority of Nutrena horse feed manufacturing locations do not handle monesin/rumensin. Our mills in TX that make horse feed do not have monensin/rumensin so they would be considered ionophore safe.
In the few that do, we utilize FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, in addition to HACCP, which is used to manage risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat).
Our manufacturing locations and employees are fully dedicated to providing a safe product! If you have any further questions, please let us know!
Thanks,
Jolene M. Wright, M.S.
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| missroselee - 2015-02-09 9:24 AM
Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 10:07 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 8:59 AM Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 8:43 AM Im stessed i can not find 1 brand of horse feed available to me were i live that is produced in an ion free mill...i refuse to feed purina because every bag i open is different and things that arent suppose to have corn at all seem to have whole corn consistendly finding its way in my bags. Where are you located?  Someone on here might be able to help. South east kansas ...was looking into blue bonnet but we dont have a dealer within 6 hours from here
I can not find either.:( |
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