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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Bibliafarm - 2016-02-01 3:03 PM And the real terrorists are called "Refugees"
And here in Texas, even 90 year old woman are getting concealed to carry permits. At least Texas women are deciding they aren't going to just let someone rape or rob them as you know the liberals feel you should just let them do it as a rape usually only takes a few minutes. Sick... | |
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The FBI says that LaVoy reached twice for a 9mm gun inside his jacket on the left hip area. However, LaVoy carried a revolver on his right hip in a holster. The video shows that LaVoy's jacket was closed at the time he was shot. Why would a right-handed man who carries a revolver openly on his right hip choose to leave his holster behind and instead hide another man's 9mm gun on the inside of a jacket around his left hip? It's as preposterous as the FBI's thoroughly debunked claim that federal agents did not start the fires that burned 80+ men, women and children alive at the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas.
The FBI is lying. LaVoy's vehicle was shot at one time at the first stop when Ryan put his hands and head out the window to speak to the feds. LaVoy's vehicle was shot at several times as he drove away to seek the help and protection from the Grant County Sheriff. LaVoy's windshield was shot from the front by an agent who jumped out in front of the vehicle at the second stop.
LaVoy was transporting an 18 year old girl with him who was visiting with her family to sing gospel music at the town hall they were traveling to. To save her, Shawna and Ryan Bundy, LaVoy jumped out of the vehicle with his hands in the air. He yelled out that if they were going to shoot someone, to shoot him. With his hands in the air, that is exactly what they did.
The first shot struck him on the left side of his body. His body began to buckle and his hands went down to the wound but he was ordered to put his hands back in the air. He tried to do so, but naturally returned his hands back to the wound. He turned and pointed at the vehicle, yelling out that there were women in it. Rushing up behind him, another agent put a laser pointer on LaVoy and shot him in the face. He was still moving on the ground when they shot him three more times.
It was cold-blooded murder. And the American people will not forget it. LaVoy is a martyr for the cause of justice and liberty. We will not stop fighting for our freedom. Harney County Oregon is our Bunker Hill. This is only the beginning.
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Location: Florida.. | MOTIVATED - 2016-02-01 5:12 PM https://www.facebook.com/CitizensForConstitutionalFreedom.NEWS/photo... Citizens for Constitutional Freedom Support Group Like This Page · January 29 · Edited · The FBI says that LaVoy reached twice for a 9mm gun inside his jacket on the left hip area. However, LaVoy carried a revolver on his right hip in a holster. The video shows that LaVoy's jacket was closed at the time he was shot. Why would a right-handed man who carries a revolver openly on his right hip choose to leave his holster behind and instead hide another man's 9mm gun on the inside of a jacket around his left hip? It's as preposterous as the FBI's thoroughly debunked claim that federal agents did not start the fires that burned 80+ men, women and children alive at the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas. The FBI is lying. LaVoy's vehicle was shot at one time at the first stop when Ryan put his hands and head out the window to speak to the feds. LaVoy's vehicle was shot at several times as he drove away to seek the help and protection from the Grant County Sheriff. LaVoy's windshield was shot from the front by an agent who jumped out in front of the vehicle at the second stop. LaVoy was transporting an 18 year old girl with him who was visiting with her family to sing gospel music at the town hall they were traveling to. To save her, Shawna and Ryan Bundy, LaVoy jumped out of the vehicle with his hands in the air. He yelled out that if they were going to shoot someone, to shoot him. With his hands in the air, that is exactly what they did. The first shot struck him on the left side of his body. His body began to buckle and his hands went down to the wound but he was ordered to put his hands back in the air. He tried to do so, but naturally returned his hands back to the wound. He turned and pointed at the vehicle, yelling out that there were women in it. Rushing up behind him, another agent put a laser pointer on LaVoy and shot him in the face. He was still moving on the ground when they shot him three more times. It was cold-blooded murder. And the American people will not forget it. LaVoy is a martyr for the cause of justice and liberty. We will not stop fighting for our freedom. Harney County Oregon is our Bunker Hill. This is only the beginning.
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Don't stop digging, learning...understanding. I have heard, btw, that Lavoy was shot 9 times, it will be a closed casket funeral.
http://www.americanlandscouncil.org/farm_bureau_leader_calls_out_feds_on_burn_policy
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I need to say this..or post this. Publically I've stayed quiet long enough. Some of you know my attachment to the Finicum family and how hard I've tried to get his message out. Here are some of my personal thoughts.
1. LaVoy had a stellar reputation in his church, in his community and with other ranchers. He'd worked with the BLM and other Government agencies for YEARS. He paid his fees and was an excellent steward of the land. He raised his family and took in the "truly bad" kids from foster care. He taught them values, he taught them self respect and self reliance. He was by all accounts a decent and honorable man.
2. He documented all the BLM aggressions on his property. Aggressions on his water and aggressions on his land in short videos on his Youtube.com channel. The FBI and BLM had come to Mohave county to be deputized so they could arrest him last fall. The Sheriff refused. That probably was the start of the governments hostility twords LaVoy Jeanette Finicum. The question being, could the BLM/FBI keep their unlawful actions quiet if their actions were being recorded? Could they continue to count on people to blindly follow their arbitrary rules if anyone stood up against them, using their own laws and documents as proof of the governments aggression?
3. Unlike Cliven Bundy, LaVoy was an excellent spokesperson for State's Rights, Rancher's rights and Land/ Property rights. He knew what he was talking about. I'm sure the Government was not thrilled with his knowledge and I'm sure they became more concerned as he spoke out against their heavy handed policies.
LaVoy took a stand against arbitrary application of policy. He took a stand against the BLM and FBI trying to steal his water, steal his land and steal his way of life.
Did I agree with how they went about it? I don't know. I've seen the HAGE case get run through the court system where the Government has an unlimited checkbook to fund the case and will continue to appeal until they achieve the desired result. See 9th curcuit decsion that came out in the begining of the year. Take a look at the Hammond case where 2 men were ordered back to prison after serving their time, labeled terrorists and fined so punitively, there is little doubt they will have to sell their ranch to the BLM to get out of debt. Look at Red River in Texas. You have the Government deciding to take several rancher's deeded land because they WANT it. Phil Lyman, county commissioner in Utah is labeled a FELON because he led an ATV ride in Blanding, Utah. Look at the case of DR. Redd in Blanding. Dan Love raided his home as well as several others because they had picked up some indian artifacts on their walks in the woods. He killed himself because of the shame and disgrace the BLM put him and his family through. The Great States of Utah and Nevada have tried for many years to get their state land back under their control so they can reap the economic benefits from their land...all to no avail.
So, when these guys entered the refuge in Oregon, do you think they felt they had exhausted all efforts to work within the system? Had they seen their neighbors and friends work their court cases through the system? Did they see their legislaters fail in their fights against the federal tyrany? Did they fear they were the last of a dying breed of people who by all accounts were discounted by all urban people who have zero idea where their food comes from? I'm sure they did. I'm sure there are other factors that were taken into consideration before they went to occupy the refuge. Did they think it would end in bloodshed? I will never know. What I do know with certainty is this: these men brought the question of land rights, state's rights and the aggressions of the US Government and their alphabet agencies to the front of the media, to the front of the general public and perhaps to people in power who actually have the abiltiy to change this scenerio.
We the people have an obligation to LaVoy, his family and every other rancher, as well as ourselves to keep this conversation going. To not let what these men started to fail, to be lost or to be swept under the rug. I hope some of you will put yourselves in LaVoy's boots today. Ask yourself the question: If I was in his boots, what would I have done? | |
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"Now comes the Oregon chapter of the American Lands Council, a nonprofit that signs up organizations and local governments for a membership fee to fight for the transfer of public lands from the feds to states, has released a video on Facebook that appears to show U.S. Bureau of Land Management agents lighting fires in southern Oregon cattle country that blazed out of control, charring more than 700,000 acres, killing dozens of cows, burning several structures owned by ranchers and threatening the community of Frenchglen.
Trouble is, the video's claim is bogus."
https://shar.es/1hMudQ
Rep. Ken Ivory’s American Lands Council seems to be taking a page out of The Center for Medical Progress’ playbook, releasing a misleading video to demonize an entity the right-wing hates. In the case of ...
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | FinneyQuarterHorses - 2016-02-02 9:54 AM "Now comes the Oregon chapter of the American Lands Council, a nonprofit that signs up organizations and local governments for a membership fee to fight for the transfer of public lands from the feds to states, has released a video on Facebook that appears to show U.S. Bureau of Land Management agents lighting fires in southern Oregon cattle country that blazed out of control, charring more than 700,000 acres, killing dozens of cows, burning several structures owned by ranchers and threatening the community of Frenchglen. Trouble is, the video's claim is bogus." https://shar.es/1hMudQ Rep. Ken Ivory’s American Lands Council seems to be taking a page out of The Center for Medical Progress’ playbook, releasing a misleading video to demonize an entity the right-wing hates. In the case of ... Just sayin'........
Finney, if you ranch, why do you appear to hate other ranchers so much?
I am not talking about law abiding citizens who want the government to stop the land grabbing, water grabbing through their new rules passed in DC and buried in legislation either. | |
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FinneyQuarterHorses - 2016-02-02 9:54 AM "Now comes the Oregon chapter of the American Lands Council, a nonprofit that signs up organizations and local governments for a membership fee to fight for the transfer of public lands from the feds to states, has released a video on Facebook that appears to show U.S. Bureau of Land Management agents lighting fires in southern Oregon cattle country that blazed out of control, charring more than 700,000 acres, killing dozens of cows, burning several structures owned by ranchers and threatening the community of Frenchglen. Trouble is, the video's claim is bogus." https://shar.es/1hMudQ Rep. Ken Ivory’s American Lands Council seems to be taking a page out of The Center for Medical Progress’ playbook, releasing a misleading video to demonize an entity the right-wing hates. In the case of ... Just sayin'........
I am not talking about law abiding citizens who want the government to stop the land grabbing, water grabbing through their new rules passed in DC and buried in legislation either. Â
That is a valid question. From Finney's tone of posts, She hates the rural life period. For I have as of yet to read anything that would support anything other than what The Feds value.
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Location: Where I am happiest | FinneyQuarterHorses - 2016-02-01 2:25 PM Don't have time to read all the pages of conspiracy stuff, but thought this was an interesting passage from an article on the Tri-State Livestock news, www.tsln.com. Quoting one of the self-elected "Safety Committee". And this from a paper who is sympathetic and keeps softballing the coverage. "The last time he stopped in, Williams, a member of the newly formed “Committee of Safety” in Harney County, said he delivered a letter kindly asking the protesters to leave. “We wanted them to go home so we could work on what we wanted to do.” And now Williams hopes the feds will go home, so everyone can get back to work. “I don’t want Harney County going back to how it was. I’d like to go back to work on this dream of having our resources back – putting money back in to the counties around here. I’d like to see if we can get that done.” Williams hopes all or most of Oregon’s counties with large percentages of federal lands will put together plans for more local land management. “We do have grazing rights on that ground that are more valuable than the ground itself,” he said, adding that he hopes to somehow effect policy change that puts the land under county, rather than federal management. “Oregon is losing $2 million per year on land management. Once we get up and going the counties and state could be making two to three times that much.” If ranchers knew their grazing fees were going to support local activity like schools, hospital and county needs, most would not mind paying higher fees, he said. “I’m sure people would step up and pay.” Yes, I'm sure all the ranchers with Federal leases would be delighted to pay more to graze their cattle. I hate to say "I told you so.", but a return to local control of all that land doesn't mean ranchers would just get it all like is implied. It would just mean that it would be sold or leased to the highest bidder, used, abused, and thrown away when all the income is squeezed out by the powers that be that lurk in the shadows and drive the ignorant to do their dirty work. And all those nice families that are federal employees, I heard 40% of the work force, they would have to move, but that would leave a lot of empty houses so the militia goofballs could move in, but of course that would destroy the housing market and the locals could start worrying that their little girls and boys might be targets to all those people with felony records. With all those families leaving, the stores will probably have to close, but I bet the bars will be hopping, then the drunks will be shooting up the town, but that should jump the need for doctors, or undertakers. Yes, everything will be hunky dory if the ranchers can get the Feds out of their business. Then the next time the federal government comes begging those ranchers to please take those disaster payments for drought or blizzards or fire, or cost shares on improvements, why those ranchers can just kick sand in their face and say "Git lost. We don't need your stinkin' money!" That will show the government. Remember, be careful what you wish for.
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Location: Where I am happiest | FinneyQuarterHorses - 2016-02-02 8:54 AM "Now comes the Oregon chapter of the American Lands Council, a nonprofit that signs up organizations and local governments for a membership fee to fight for the transfer of public lands from the feds to states, has released a video on Facebook that appears to show U.S. Bureau of Land Management agents lighting fires in southern Oregon cattle country that blazed out of control, charring more than 700,000 acres, killing dozens of cows, burning several structures owned by ranchers and threatening the community of Frenchglen. Trouble is, the video's claim is bogus." https://shar.es/1hMudQ Rep. Ken Ivory’s American Lands Council seems to be taking a page out of The Center for Medical Progress’ playbook, releasing a misleading video to demonize an entity the right-wing hates. In the case of ... Just sayin'........
Sorry Finney, but you are wrong. Dead wrong. I am from S.E. Oregon. I know first hand what has been going on. You on the other hand are reading liberal media rhetoric and buying it hook line and sinker. I have rancher friends in Burns, and Lakeview Oregon. This is all "MY country!! BIG ranches and that video you speak of is NOT "Bogus". I can also tell you one of my rancher friends in Lakeview had cattle up there on BLM land that fire you mentioned. BLM KNEW they were up there gathering to get their cattle out and BLM set more fires almost trapping them in!! They didnt care!!! They did NOT get all their cattle out. When they tried to find out just who was responsible, they all kept passing the buck all the way up to a head BLM guy that sits behind a desk giving orders for 3 states!! Of course, they take no responsability. | |
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Location: Where I am happiest | This is a FB page from somebody who is in Burns. He has tons of video's on his page to show you just exactly what is going on in Burns. https://www.facebook.com/lee.rice2?fref=photo | |
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Location: Where I am happiest |  Please watch this. This will answere a lot of your questions Scott. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/theninjapastor/2016/01/30/first-hand-witness-to-the-murder-in-or-the-ninja-pastor-exclusive-interview
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Location: Online | foundation horse - 2016-02-02 8:31 AM 3canstorun - 2016-02-02 9:22 AM FinneyQuarterHorses - 2016-02-02 9:54 AM "Now comes the Oregon chapter of the American Lands Council, a nonprofit that signs up organizations and local governments for a membership fee to fight for the transfer of public lands from the feds to states, has released a video on Facebook that appears to show U.S. Bureau of Land Management agents lighting fires in southern Oregon cattle country that blazed out of control, charring more than 700,000 acres, killing dozens of cows, burning several structures owned by ranchers and threatening the community of Frenchglen. Trouble is, the video's claim is bogus." https://shar.es/1hMudQ Rep. Ken Ivory’s American Lands Council seems to be taking a page out of The Center for Medical Progress’ playbook, releasing a misleading video to demonize an entity the right-wing hates. In the case of ... Just sayin'........
I am not talking about law abiding citizens who want the government to stop the land grabbing, water grabbing through their new rules passed in DC and buried in legislation either. That is a valid question. From Finney's tone of posts, She hates the rural life period. For I have as of yet to read anything that would support anything other than what The Feds value.
Because Finney is so brainwashed by the Liberal propoganda she is completely unable to think reasonably. I know people just like her. She is wired to be against any of the conservative minded people's opinions. No matter what any of the facts are. She wants to read and hear and believe what she wants to read, hear and believe. If she believes it, then by hell they are FACTS. It won't do any good to prove her wrong. When she's right she's right and when she's wrong, she's still right. Don'tcha know?
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | FinneyQuarterHorses - 2016-02-02 6:54 AM
"Now comes the Oregon chapter of the American Lands Council, a nonprofit that signs up organizations and local governments for a membership fee to fight for the transfer of public lands from the feds to states, has released a video on Facebook that appears to show U.S. Bureau of Land Management agents lighting fires in southern Oregon cattle country that blazed out of control, charring more than 700,000 acres, killing dozens of cows, burning several structures owned by ranchers and threatening the community of Frenchglen.
Trouble is, the video's claim is bogus."
https://shar.es/1hMudQ
Rep. Ken Ivory’s American Lands Council seems to be taking a page out of The Center for Medical Progress’ playbook, releasing a misleading video to demonize an entity the right-wing hates. In the case of ...
Just sayin'........
I've seen that video. I remember the big stink it caused when it happened. I have also seen eyewitness video about who and how it started and the damage it did. What proof do YOU have that it's bogus since it made the news here in Oregon and I remember when it happened and was all over the news?
The fire video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcpzhOZq1JQ&list=PL7Mol14_Yd48osyTA2...
Young cowboy talking about the effects and who has something to gain by starting fires. https://www.facebook.com/saved/?cref=28 | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | OregonBR - 2016-02-02 12:50 PM FinneyQuarterHorses - 2016-02-02 6:54 AM "Now comes the Oregon chapter of the American Lands Council, a nonprofit that signs up organizations and local governments for a membership fee to fight for the transfer of public lands from the feds to states, has released a video on Facebook that appears to show U.S. Bureau of Land Management agents lighting fires in southern Oregon cattle country that blazed out of control, charring more than 700,000 acres, killing dozens of cows, burning several structures owned by ranchers and threatening the community of Frenchglen. Trouble is, the video's claim is bogus." https://shar.es/1hMudQ Rep. Ken Ivory’s American Lands Council seems to be taking a page out of The Center for Medical Progress’ playbook, releasing a misleading video to demonize an entity the right-wing hates. In the case of ... Just sayin'........ I've seen that video. I remember the big stink it caused when it happened. I have also seen eyewitness video about who and how it started and the damage it did. What proof do YOU have that it's bogus since it made the news here in Oregon and I remember when it happened and was all over the news? The fire video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcpzhOZq1JQ&list=PL7Mol14_Yd48os... Young cowboy talking about the effects and who has something to gain by starting fires. https://www.facebook.com/saved/?cref=28
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MOTIVATED - 2016-02-01 5:12 PM https://www.facebook.com/CitizensForConstitutionalFreedom.NEWS/photo... Citizens for Constitutional Freedom Support Group Like This Page · January 29 · Edited · The FBI says that LaVoy reached twice for a 9mm gun inside his jacket on the left hip area. However, LaVoy carried a revolver on his right hip in a holster. The video shows that LaVoy's jacket was closed at the time he was shot. Why would a right-handed man who carries a revolver openly on his right hip choose to leave his holster behind and instead hide another man's 9mm gun on the inside of a jacket around his left hip? It's as preposterous as the FBI's thoroughly debunked claim that federal agents did not start the fires that burned 80+ men, women and children alive at the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas. The FBI is lying. LaVoy's vehicle was shot at one time at the first stop when Ryan put his hands and head out the window to speak to the feds. LaVoy's vehicle was shot at several times as he drove away to seek the help and protection from the Grant County Sheriff. LaVoy's windshield was shot from the front by an agent who jumped out in front of the vehicle at the second stop. LaVoy was transporting an 18 year old girl with him who was visiting with her family to sing gospel music at the town hall they were traveling to. To save her, Shawna and Ryan Bundy, LaVoy jumped out of the vehicle with his hands in the air. He yelled out that if they were going to shoot someone, to shoot him. With his hands in the air, that is exactly what they did. The first shot struck him on the left side of his body. His body began to buckle and his hands went down to the wound but he was ordered to put his hands back in the air. He tried to do so, but naturally returned his hands back to the wound. He turned and pointed at the vehicle, yelling out that there were women in it. Rushing up behind him, another agent put a laser pointer on LaVoy and shot him in the face. He was still moving on the ground when they shot him three more times. It was cold-blooded murder. And the American people will not forget it. LaVoy is a martyr for the cause of justice and liberty. We will not stop fighting for our freedom. Harney County Oregon is our Bunker Hill. This is only the beginning.
Just so you know...all I did was copy and paste what was on that link from Facebook....I didnt open or read any other links. I was just passing information. Nothing that I posted here was my personal opinion at all. I was just sharing info. SO NO...I did not look or read the link you posted.....all I did was copy and paste a link and article from Facebook. I dont know anything about which side or both sides that he may or may not have carried on....and don't really care....I think had he been black people would be rioting the streets right now.
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