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Location: MD | I'm going to bring up a topic. I hauled an awful lot in the Midwest when I was living there. different producers, different types of shows, lots of rules and regulations. Never was I once EVER asked for my coggins papers or a health certificate in my 10+ years of showing there. Sure show bills said coggins were required, but not a single person EVER stopped me and said, "where are your coggins, if you don't have them, you aren't showing today."
Since I have moved to Maryland and I have hauled a few places, different organizations and such, every single place asks for at least a coggins paper. I've been asked for health certificates also. Not only do they want to see it, but they are going to make a copy of it, and make that information useful. And if you don't have it, you're not entering. Sure it's a pain, but look at the position I feel like a lot of people are in right now. And sure we're worried over here, but enforcing things like coggins papers might have been able to prevent this, or at least slow travesties like this down.
use information to your advantage people and producers.
And I'm going to put my big girl panties on and say this... If you want to haul, haul. If you don't, don't. you know the dangers and you know how precious your horses are to you. If someone has made the conscious decision to haul, leave them alone. they know their horses can get sick and die, and they have made that decision. You harping at them all day about it, probably isn't going to change their mind.
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| Crowned Image - 2014-05-01 2:34 PM I'm going to bring up a topic. I hauled an awful lot in the Midwest when I was living there. different producers, different types of shows, lots of rules and regulations. Never was I once EVER asked for my coggins papers or a health certificate in my 10+ years of showing there. Sure show bills said coggins were required, but not a single person EVER stopped me and said, "where are your coggins, if you don't have them, you aren't showing today." Since I have moved to Maryland and I have hauled a few places, different organizations and such, every single place asks for at least a coggins paper. I've been asked for health certificates also. Not only do they want to see it, but they are going to make a copy of it, and make that information useful. And if you don't have it, you're not entering. Sure it's a pain, but look at the position I feel like a lot of people are in right now. And sure we're worried over here, but enforcing things like coggins papers might have been able to prevent this, or at least slow travesties like this down. use information to your advantage people and producers. And I'm going to put my big girl panties on and say this... If you want to haul, haul. If you don't, don't. you know the dangers and you know how precious your horses are to you. If someone has made the conscious decision to haul, leave them alone. they know their horses can get sick and die, and they have made that decision. You harping at them all day about it, probably isn't going to change their mind. ***zipping up my flame suit***
The reason people are asking others not to haul is because we want the virus to die down. If people keep infecting others, it won't die down. Over 1000 people made the conscientious decision to haul to Lincoln with the risks. When we heard the virus showed up there, many of us decided it was time to stop hauling and stay home. BUT with producers not cancelling, they are inviting anyone out and about again.
With an INVISIBLE virus that SHEDS with NO symptoms....How do you know you aren't the cause? You DON'T. Which is all we are trying to say to people who think they are safe. | |
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I Chore in Chucks
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Location: MD | Nateracer - 2014-05-01 2:48 PM
Crowned Image - 2014-05-01 2:34 PM I'm going to bring up a topic. I hauled an awful lot in the Midwest when I was living there. different producers, different types of shows, lots of rules and regulations. Never was I once EVER asked for my coggins papers or a health certificate in my 10+ years of showing there. Sure show bills said coggins were required, but not a single person EVER stopped me and said, "where are your coggins, if you don't have them, you aren't showing today." Since I have moved to Maryland and I have hauled a few places, different organizations and such, every single place asks for at least a coggins paper. I've been asked for health certificates also. Not only do they want to see it, but they are going to make a copy of it, and make that information useful. And if you don't have it, you're not entering. Sure it's a pain, but look at the position I feel like a lot of people are in right now. And sure we're worried over here, but enforcing things like coggins papers might have been able to prevent this, or at least slow travesties like this down. use information to your advantage people and producers. And I'm going to put my big girl panties on and say this... If you want to haul, haul. If you don't, don't. you know the dangers and you know how precious your horses are to you. If someone has made the conscious decision to haul, leave them alone. they know their horses can get sick and die, and they have made that decision. You harping at them all day about it, probably isn't going to change their mind. ***zipping up my flame suit***
The reason people are asking others not to haul is because we want the virus to die down. If people keep infecting others, it won't die down. Over 1000 people made the conscientious decision to haul to Lincoln with the risks. When we heard the virus showed up there, many of us decided it was time to stop hauling and stay home. BUT with producers not cancelling, they are inviting anyone out and about again.
With an INVISIBLE virus that SHEDS with NO symptoms....How do you know you aren't the cause? You DON'T. Which is all we are trying to say to people who think they are safe.
then say it and be done, harping at these people that made the decision to haul anyways is only going to add fuel to the fire. I wouldn't be going anywhere if I was in that area. But if I would have made the CHOICE to haul off to a race and everyone was climbing down my back about that CHOICE I am dang sure I would be hauling all over the place in nothing but resentment towards everyone who was sassing me about it.
I certainly wouldn't be trying to argue with others if they full well knew what was going on and chose to anyways. I don't want anyone's horses sick and being put down and I don't want little Susie's pony that didn't even go anywhere to contract the virus either because another horse was just a carrier.
leave people with the information and let it go. getting into arguments with them isn't going to change their minds. | |
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Miss Laundry Misshap
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| I'm pretty sure in 17 pages, it was said. There actually hasn't been much for argument on this discussion. | |
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I Chore in Chucks
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Location: MD | Nateracer - 2014-05-01 3:01 PM
I'm pretty sure in 17 pages, it was said. There actually hasn't been much for argument on this discussion.
I guess I should have made it more clear as I didn't in my OP. I'm speaking more about different social media groups (ie: Facebook, twitter) BHW has been very tame and I'm excited we can all carry on adult conversations here without stomping our feet and spitting at each other. my bad | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I'd say this whole debate has been pretty civilized and relatively tame. There's been spirited discussion, to be sure, but I think the only people who have been offended are the ones who know they can't come up with a good argument. I wish it was as simple as "If you want to haul, then haul....but if you don't want to haul, then don't haul." It's not that simple, and people are afraid not only for the health of their horses, but they just want to see this thing go away without dragging on into June or July, and knocking off a few more along the way. In this case, what others are deciding to do is considered by many to be putting their own animals at risk. I guess this is the price you pay for a system that depends on everyone to be responsible and exercise good judgement.
No matter what happens, this too shall pass. I just hope that cute little virus from Wisconsin decides to stay home, like the rest of us. | |
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Location: Sperry, OK | Crowned Image - 2014-05-01 2:34 PM I'm going to bring up a topic. I hauled an awful lot in the Midwest when I was living there. different producers, different types of shows, lots of rules and regulations. Never was I once EVER asked for my coggins papers or a health certificate in my 10+ years of showing there. Sure show bills said coggins were required, but not a single person EVER stopped me and said, "where are your coggins, if you don't have them, you aren't showing today." Since I have moved to Maryland and I have hauled a few places, different organizations and such, every single place asks for at least a coggins paper. I've been asked for health certificates also. Not only do they want to see it, but they are going to make a copy of it, and make that information useful. And if you don't have it, you're not entering. Sure it's a pain, but look at the position I feel like a lot of people are in right now. And sure we're worried over here, but enforcing things like coggins papers might have been able to prevent this, or at least slow travesties like this down. use information to your advantage people and producers. And I'm going to put my big girl panties on and say this... If you want to haul, haul. If you don't, don't. you know the dangers and you know how precious your horses are to you. If someone has made the conscious decision to haul, leave them alone. they know their horses can get sick and die, and they have made that decision. You harping at them all day about it, probably isn't going to change their mind. ***zipping up my flame suit***
It is nice to know that your horse is EIA (Coggins) negative once a year, but really.. Coggins papers aren't worth the paper they are written on. You can pull blood, and 10 mins later get infected before the sample is even sent to the lab.. then you are hauling a possitive horse around for a year and don't even know it. Not to derail this thread, but since there is no madatory test for EHV, there is no way to even begin to erradicate. Making you show health papers is just the same as Coggins, your horse could be fine when the papers are written and an hour later break with fever from something... there is just no way to know if your horse is shedding or not, and if the timing is right you could have taken all the required steps and still be the one infecting others. We just need to stay home for a bit. | |
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| ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-05-01 3:27 PM
Crowned Image - 2014-05-01 2:34 PM I'm going to bring up a topic. I hauled an awful lot in the Midwest when I was living there. different producers, different types of shows, lots of rules and regulations. Never was I once EVER asked for my coggins papers or a health certificate in my 10+ years of showing there. Sure show bills said coggins were required, but not a single person EVER stopped me and said, "where are your coggins, if you don't have them, you aren't showing today." Since I have moved to Maryland and I have hauled a few places, different organizations and such, every single place asks for at least a coggins paper. I've been asked for health certificates also. Not only do they want to see it, but they are going to make a copy of it, and make that information useful. And if you don't have it, you're not entering. Sure it's a pain, but look at the position I feel like a lot of people are in right now. And sure we're worried over here, but enforcing things like coggins papers might have been able to prevent this, or at least slow travesties like this down. use information to your advantage people and producers. And I'm going to put my big girl panties on and say this... If you want to haul, haul. If you don't, don't. you know the dangers and you know how precious your horses are to you. If someone has made the conscious decision to haul, leave them alone. they know their horses can get sick and die, and they have made that decision. You harping at them all day about it, probably isn't going to change their mind. ***zipping up my flame suit***
It is nice to know that your horse is EIA (Coggins) negative once a year, but really.. Coggins papers aren't worth the paper they are written on. You can pull blood, and 10 mins later get infected before the sample is even sent to the lab.. then you are hauling a possitive horse around for a year and don't even know it. Not to derail this thread, but since there is no madatory test for EHV, there is no way to even begin to erradicate. Making you show health papers is just the same as Coggins, your horse could be fine when the papers are written and an hour later break with fever from something... there is just no way to know if your horse is shedding or not, and if the timing is right you could have taken all the required steps and still be the one infecting others. We just need to stay home for a bit.
If it is as bad as everyone on this post says it is, then why haven't the state vets intervened as they did in 2011? | |
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Location: Kansas | A new case in Pa today
http://www.gohorseshow.com/article/Featured_Columns/Sudden_Scoop/EHV1_case_confirmed_in_Pennsylvania/39418 | |
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BHW Resident Surgeon
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Here's the deal. I think this has been hashed and re-hashed time and time again over the past couple months. A lot of people many of us consider to be friends will be running at this event and others no matter what. All we can do now is hold on until the weather comes to the rescue and hope, in the meantime, that we've seen the last of this nasty bug, at least for this year. I hope everyone stays safe and everything goes on without any more repercussions. The one good thing to come out of this is it has increased awareness of things like this, so that the next time around everyone can be on the same page. Nobody wants to see our producers give up on organizing big shows because without them who is going to do this? I sure as hell won't. Without these bigger shows all we will have is small local jackpots, rodeos, and playdays. The good news is that when this starts to happen again, people will be more adept at handling all the possible contingencies....that means all of us, as well as the producers. | |
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Common Sense and then some
Location: So. California | And Manitoba, Cananda...
https://www.thehorse.com/articles/33810/ehv-1-confirmed-at-manitoba-canada-racetrack | |
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Common Sense and then some
Location: So. California | The spread of this is not going to stop until everyone stays home for a minimum of 30 days. It really is that simple. 
This is exactly what we did on the west coast in 2011... we stayed home for a minimum of 30 days, some of us even longer and it worked!! | |
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Location: Wisconsin | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-01 3:26 PM I'd say this whole debate has been pretty civilized and relatively tame. There's been spirited discussion, to be sure, but I think the only people who have been offended are the ones who know they can't come up with a good argument. I wish it was as simple as "If you want to haul, then haul....but if you don't want to haul, then don't haul." It's not that simple, and people are afraid not only for the health of their horses, but they just want to see this thing go away without dragging on into June or July, and knocking off a few more along the way. In this case, what others are deciding to do is considered by many to be putting their own animals at risk. I guess this is the price you pay for a system that depends on everyone to be responsible and exercise good judgement.
No matter what happens, this too shall pass. I just hope that cute little virus from Wisconsin decides to stay home, like the rest of us.
Hey Hey Hey!! enough with the Wisconsin thing..Minnesota is where most the cases are from!! lol...I havent been anywhere since NOVEMBER and i feel like when i show up Im afraid, I will be frowned upon | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | nettieb3 - 2014-05-01 7:03 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-01 3:26 PM I'd say this whole debate has been pretty civilized and relatively tame. There's been spirited discussion, to be sure, but I think the only people who have been offended are the ones who know they can't come up with a good argument. I wish it was as simple as "If you want to haul, then haul....but if you don't want to haul, then don't haul." It's not that simple, and people are afraid not only for the health of their horses, but they just want to see this thing go away without dragging on into June or July, and knocking off a few more along the way. In this case, what others are deciding to do is considered by many to be putting their own animals at risk. I guess this is the price you pay for a system that depends on everyone to be responsible and exercise good judgement.
No matter what happens, this too shall pass. I just hope that cute little virus from Wisconsin decides to stay home, like the rest of us. Hey Hey Hey!! enough with the Wisconsin thing..Minnesota is where most the cases are from!! lol...I havent been anywhere since NOVEMBER and i feel like when i show up Im afraid, I will be frowned upon
I've seen your horses Lynette. No nice cute little virus will dare invade a cheesehead horse like yours.
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Ace Ventura Pet Detective
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Location: Wisconsin | Smart Arse!!...lets hope so. | |
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| ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-05-01 3:27 PM Crowned Image - 2014-05-01 2:34 PM I'm going to bring up a topic. I hauled an awful lot in the Midwest when I was living there. different producers, different types of shows, lots of rules and regulations. Never was I once EVER asked for my coggins papers or a health certificate in my 10+ years of showing there. Sure show bills said coggins were required, but not a single person EVER stopped me and said, "where are your coggins, if you don't have them, you aren't showing today." Since I have moved to Maryland and I have hauled a few places, different organizations and such, every single place asks for at least a coggins paper. I've been asked for health certificates also. Not only do they want to see it, but they are going to make a copy of it, and make that information useful. And if you don't have it, you're not entering. Sure it's a pain, but look at the position I feel like a lot of people are in right now. And sure we're worried over here, but enforcing things like coggins papers might have been able to prevent this, or at least slow travesties like this down. use information to your advantage people and producers. And I'm going to put my big girl panties on and say this... If you want to haul, haul. If you don't, don't. you know the dangers and you know how precious your horses are to you. If someone has made the conscious decision to haul, leave them alone. they know their horses can get sick and die, and they have made that decision. You harping at them all day about it, probably isn't going to change their mind. ***zipping up my flame suit*** It is nice to know that your horse is EIA (Coggins) negative once a year, but really.. Coggins papers aren't worth the paper they are written on. You can pull blood, and 10 mins later get infected before the sample is even sent to the lab.. then you are hauling a possitive horse around for a year and don't even know it. Not to derail this thread, but since there is no madatory test for EHV, there is no way to even begin to erradicate. Making you show health papers is just the same as Coggins, your horse could be fine when the papers are written and an hour later break with fever from something... there is just no way to know if your horse is shedding or not, and if the timing is right you could have taken all the required steps and still be the one infecting others. We just need to stay home for a bit.
AMEN! I've always though Coggins and health papers were a JOKE. I guess if it makes people feel all warm and fuzzy then cool beans but yes, your horse could test good one week, get exposed and test positive the next. I've always thought these were nothing buy money makers for the vets. | |
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| Alright so i have a question and it may of already been answered in this massive thread...
If a horse is a non symptom showing - virus shedding horse... how long can that horse shed that virus???? | |
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 No Name Nancy
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Location: never in the right place | my vet said up to 28 days- | |
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Miss Laundry Misshap
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| Kgirl - 2014-05-02 6:16 AM Alright so i have a question and it may of already been answered in this massive thread...
If a horse is a non symptom showing - virus shedding horse... how long can that horse shed that virus????
According to all I've read 28 days. | |
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| Nateracer - 2014-05-02 7:32 AM Kgirl - 2014-05-02 6:16 AM Alright so i have a question and it may of already been answered in this massive thread...
If a horse is a non symptom showing - virus shedding horse... how long can that horse shed that virus???? According to all I've read 28 days.
thankyou!
Wow... so the two week canceling of shows isn't gonna help... I'm not in any of the affected states but the life of the virus being that long it makes me concerned to haul! | |
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