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Location: Beggs, OK | Sandok - 2015-02-09 9:42 AM I am in Ardmore, OK and feed Nutrena Special Care and Nutrena Sr. Would these be safe to feed? I am checking into Bluebonnet but until then I am still feeding the Nutrena. Wanting to get all 3 horses on the same feed if possible.
The Nutrena statement is in a post above. They have some mills that do and some that don't.
Bluebonnet is milled right there in Ardmore, so that should be an easy switch for you if you choose to go that direction. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 10:09 AM missroselee - 2015-02-09 9:24 AM Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 10:07 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 8:59 AM Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 8:43 AM Im stessed i can not find 1 brand of horse feed available to me were i live that is produced in an ion free mill...i refuse to feed purina because every bag i open is different and things that arent suppose to have corn at all seem to have whole corn consistendly finding its way in my bags. Where are you located? Someone on here might be able to help. South east kansas ...was looking into blue bonnet but we dont have a dealer within 6 hours from here I can not find either.: (
I would get on the Bluebonnet site and find a sales rep that could maybe point you in the right direction.
Any of you that are interested in Renew Gold, winwillows is a board member on here and can answer any questions you may have about where you can find it in your area. |
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Location: TN | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 10:15 AM
Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 10:09 AM missroselee - 2015-02-09 9:24 AM Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 10:07 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 8:59 AM Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 8:43 AM Im stessed i can not find 1 brand of horse feed available to me were i live that is produced in an ion free mill...i refuse to feed purina because every bag i open is different and things that arent suppose to have corn at all seem to have whole corn consistendly finding its way in my bags. Where are you located? Someone on here might be able to help. South east kansas ...was looking into blue bonnet but we dont have a dealer within 6 hours from here I can not find either.: (
Any of you that are interested in Renew Gold, winwillows is a board member on here and can answer any questions you may have about where you can find it in your area.
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Location: your guess is as good as mine | The SC Senior I bought is milled in KC I'm guessing (has KC on the tag). Have a call in to Nutrena to see if that mill cross-produces... |
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| Im in SW La. Right on the TX/LA line actually. I am not feeding the pellets I was since finding out that the mill mixes both. M-G, Purina, and Nutrena, and Lonestar are about all I can get. Im debating feeding straight Chaffhay BUT I need something to add to it to balance the alfalfa. Would a dry mix work? Like lonestars multi blend? |
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Location: TN | This board rocks! Thanks everyone I am going to be able to get Renew Gold.....yay! Thanks Winwillow....and Rachelyn80 ( I hope I got your name right...I'm at work and gotta go)....thanks SG and everyone else for this thread. I've been worrying about this.....
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Location: Oklahoma | Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 10:09 AM missroselee - 2015-02-09 9:24 AM Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 10:07 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 8:59 AM Thistle2011 - 2015-02-09 8:43 AM Im stessed i can not find 1 brand of horse feed available to me were i live that is produced in an ion free mill...i refuse to feed purina because every bag i open is different and things that arent suppose to have corn at all seem to have whole corn consistendly finding its way in my bags. Where are you located? Someone on here might be able to help. South east kansas ...was looking into blue bonnet but we dont have a dealer within 6 hours from here I can not find either.: (
Are you close to the OK border? Renew Gold can be bought at TSCs in Oklahoma. My store (in SE OK) wasn't carrying it, but I asked the feed buying guy if he could get it and he was able to...and they've kept in in stock ever since. Perhaps there is a TSC close to the border that would be worth the drive?? I'm pretty sure that Win w/ RG posted a few months ago that all OK & TX stores had access; you just might have to request that they start carrying it. |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 8:11 AM
Bibliafarm - 2015-02-07 2:11 PM Update on my friends in AL.. whoms feed tested positive ..
We have had a week filled with highs and lows as we have tried to gain more knowledge regarding our current situation. Our second round of troponin testing show...ed that two horses had elevated out of the "normal" range. We also held our breath as we went through a round of echocardiograms on Friday and received the news that one of the four horses has measurable cardiac abnormalities consistent with monensin exposure. He was discharged with instructions for complete rest until we can determine that he has returned to normal cardiac function.
Still other horses are being cleared to proceed with exercise ECG's to determine the functionality of the heart during increased activity. It is exhausting to experience a measure of relief and devastation in the same day and we are only getting started. We are doing everything in our power to ensure that the horses are monitored and the best diagnostic procedures are available to them.
Everyone please take this situation seriously and if you have had horses on feed manufactured by ADM Alliance Nutrition have your horses monitored for monensin exposure. It is a life threatening substance to horses and I cannot stress enough to be diligent in having your feed tested. Regardless of what you hear, the FDA says that NO amount of monensin is allowed in feed intended for equine consumption.
I've been in contact with him and was just sick to hear that they have damage even with the normal troponin levels... With the very small amounts of Monensin that were in his feed, it's even more terrifying. That level of exposure goes unnoticed all the time. We just think that our horses have some unrelated bellyache.
How many of you want to run barrels on a horse that has heart damage? Would you want to buy a horse that had confirmed Monensin exposure, even with a prepurchase exam that says that their heart isn't damaged? The only way to protect yourself is to stop buying horse feed from mills that produced medicated cattle feed.
Knowing what I know now, I don't think I'll ever be able to buy another horse without having a cardiac exam done along with all of the other prepurchase necessities.
It might be a stretch on cardiac exams for most but I wonder how the results differ from race horses that have been given hog juice and all the other illegal substances?
Also, I know that smaller mfgs use mills to make their private feeds. I wonder who pellets Forco, Calf Manna? I know ADM makes a lot of medicated mineral. I wonder if we should test our minerals as well?
That leads to all the supplements which are also not FDA approved, who mfg them? Should we in fact test them too? The labs that make glucosamine and ulcergard off label, they have been all over the news. Where does it end? |
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| Is Renew Gold ok for broodmares?
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Location: Florida.. | it doesnt we just try to provide what we can.. proactive is better then nothing..we can make a differance.. baby steps. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 9:43 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-09 8:13 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 9:01 AM WYOracer - 2015-02-07 9:58 PM Anything about ADM JUNIOR GLO? Or is it just the patriot lines? It's not about the type of feed from a specific manufacturer. Your concern is about the mill it's produced in. If the mill produces medicated cattle feed in the same facility as horse feed, then none of the horse feed is technically "safe" from exposure.
Contact your State Representative or any State Representative that is educated on livestock related issues.
Our local State Ag Department was not even interested. (meaning in our town) They said they can do nothing but respond to "fresh fruits, vegetables and nuts". I think the ladies were just plain lazy. They suggested I contact our local extension service, which I did. He was extremely helpful and got me a lab in LA that would also test the feed.
So, I will go to the state level for the Ag department.
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| I just received an email from Leann Meyer at Manna Pro and they are ionophore free. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | 3canstorun - 2015-02-09 1:34 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 9:43 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-09 8:13 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 9:01 AM WYOracer - 2015-02-07 9:58 PM Anything about ADM JUNIOR GLO? Or is it just the patriot lines? It's not about the type of feed from a specific manufacturer. Your concern is about the mill it's produced in. If the mill produces medicated cattle feed in the same facility as horse feed, then none of the horse feed is technically "safe" from exposure.
Contact your State Representative or any State Representative that is educated on livestock related issues.
So, I will go to the state level for the Ag department.
You can file a complaint with the FDA through an online portal for livestock feeds. If you have feed that tests positive call your district FDA consumer complaint rep. They will instruct you to file a complaint online and let them know when it's complete so that they can flag the file.
Your states Department of Agriculture should have a website that has a little information on who to contact. Each state does some sort of facility testing and certification so they are inspected at some time to keep up with licensing.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | bracer41 - 2015-02-09 9:40 AM FLITASTIC - 2015-02-09 9:35 AM bracer41 - 2015-02-09 7:33 AM Ugh!!! I wanted to switch to Renew Gold and it's not in my area.....I then decided on Bluebonnet....it's not in my area.....I have found some Tribute about an hour away but really wish I could feed Renew Gold...I have to do something quick because I have a bag full of ADM Primeglo that I was feeding and now I have no feed at all because I am not going to continue to feed it.....I have a 31 year old gelding and a 10 year old hard keeper mare that cannot go without feed.!!!! I want Renew Gold!!! Maybe pick up some rice bran? Platinum performance makes an awesome product that is a complete supplement. It has quite a bit of fat and calories.
Call Win Willows and he can help you out in finding a store.
I just saw above that you have already contacted Win Willows. That's great!
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Location: TN | Nevertooold - 2015-02-09 2:11 PM bracer41 - 2015-02-09 9:40 AM FLITASTIC - 2015-02-09 9:35 AM bracer41 - 2015-02-09 7:33 AM Ugh!!! I wanted to switch to Renew Gold and it's not in my area.....I then decided on Bluebonnet....it's not in my area.....I have found some Tribute about an hour away but really wish I could feed Renew Gold...I have to do something quick because I have a bag full of ADM Primeglo that I was feeding and now I have no feed at all because I am not going to continue to feed it.....I have a 31 year old gelding and a 10 year old hard keeper mare that cannot go without feed.!!!! I want Renew Gold!!! Maybe pick up some rice bran? Platinum performance makes an awesome product that is a complete supplement. It has quite a bit of fat and calories.
Call Win Willows and he can help you out in finding a store.
I just saw above that you have already contacted Win Willows. That's great!
Hey thanks! I actually already contacted her and found out that whoever in my area that has Manna Pro can order the Renew Gold. I can get it at 3 different places....for anyone in my area those places are Tractor Supply, Farmers Co-op, and Edwards Feed in Lebanon TN.....you need to contact them first because it will be special orders.....
Thanks again Winwillows.....got a pm to message my phone number and got a call from Manna Pro within 30 min....fantastic service..... |
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| FYI, I have now spoken with Purina and ADM.
Purina also makes Producer's Pride and I called to find out about the whole oats. She was extremely nice and informative. She said any products purchased in Denver are ionophore free, however, if you buy in Texas they are not, but, the equine side never crosses over with the ionophore products. They have two totally different process areas, it just happens to take place in the same building. I questioned her on the chances of contamination between the two and she said it couldn't happen because they are never processed with the same equipment. I asked her why I have found corn in my whole oats, and was told to always return the bag and notify Purina, because you should never have anything in a bag of oats but "OATS". Then they will be able to take the number from you on that bag and trace it back and correct whatever is going wrong.
Next, ADM contacted me and I asked if I should be concerned since I have used Gro-Strong Blocks forever! He didn't seem concerned at all and was aware of the "internet" clains going around about ionophore. Said "yes, we do have ionophore in our processing", like it was no big deal. Now, I guess I need to find a new mineral block that was as good as my Gro-Strong. Any suggestions?
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| Thistle2011 - 2015-02-08 9:20 PM
ETA: I'm tempted to print out this response and include it with the products I'm shipping back...and tell them that their obvious lack of concern tells me they're not worth MY money. 
DO IT. I wrote on there public face book wall that until they use an ion free mill ill be switching to a feed with a garantee
I just looked on ADM Facebook page.. they have gotten a bunch of angry posts! They are definitely under fire right now. Their response is the same over and over again.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I saw a post on Facebook and I think it was put on there by SG. It talked about how the feed plants may be ionophore free but you have to remember that the molasses is shipped in and that can be contaminated. Any thoughts on that? I know Woody's is the only one (that I know) that makes their own molasses. |
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Location: Here | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 1:58 PM 3canstorun - 2015-02-09 1:34 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 9:43 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-02-09 8:13 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-09 9:01 AM WYOracer - 2015-02-07 9:58 PM Anything about ADM JUNIOR GLO? Or is it just the patriot lines? It's not about the type of feed from a specific manufacturer. Your concern is about the mill it's produced in. If the mill produces medicated cattle feed in the same facility as horse feed, then none of the horse feed is technically "safe" from exposure.
Contact your State Representative or any State Representative that is educated on livestock related issues.
So, I will go to the state level for the Ag department.
Your states Department of Agriculture should have a website that has a little information on who to contact. Each state does some sort of facility testing and certification so they are inspected at some time to keep up with licensing.
Thank yu Rachel for all the wonderful information. So sorry for those that are fighting health issues with horses because of this. just not acceptable. |
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