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| Bibliafarm - 2016-02-02 2:10 PM
yes I meant you should read my link I put up or look at photos.. he clearly has holsters on both shoulders..
I see. Well, I am not really sure what I am looking at in the video...I am still trying to figure all of that out. To me he puts his hands up and down and even appears to be reaching under his jacket....but then someone said he may have been gut shot and thats why he dropped his hands and tried to put them back up...and he may have been...the problem is I really dont know, and cant really tell from the video.
Either way, had he been a different color, armed or not, and had his hands up at any time in that whole process people would be protesting, and looting and rioting. I just think it says a lot that we are willing to DEBATE what really may have or may not have happened instead of going to set Walgreens on fire. The fact that we are having a discussion at all about this is something that I wish "certain people" would take a few notes from.
People, are debating this, asking questions....educating themselves about it....not just assuming that he was a victim of the "cops" which, it dang sure looks like to me that he was...but maybe he was armed and reaching for a weapon...who really knows...only him, the people there and God himself. I believe in what he was standing up for...and I think he was brave to have died for something he believes in. I think its a shame that he had to though......I think that it surely could have been avoided going down that way.
I think an autopsy is going to tell us a lot about what happened. If he was indeed shot 9 times...but even then I am not sure that we will all have the real answer of what happened.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | MOTIVATED - 2016-02-02 2:07 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-02-01 5:09 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-01 5:12 PM https://www.facebook.com/CitizensForConstitutionalFreedom.NEWS/photo... Citizens for Constitutional Freedom Support Group Like This Page · January 29 · Edited · The FBI says that LaVoy reached twice for a 9mm gun inside his jacket on the left hip area. However, LaVoy carried a revolver on his right hip in a holster. The video shows that LaVoy's jacket was closed at the time he was shot. Why would a right-handed man who carries a revolver openly on his right hip choose to leave his holster behind and instead hide another man's 9mm gun on the inside of a jacket around his left hip? It's as preposterous as the FBI's thoroughly debunked claim that federal agents did not start the fires that burned 80+ men, women and children alive at the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas. The FBI is lying. LaVoy's vehicle was shot at one time at the first stop when Ryan put his hands and head out the window to speak to the feds. LaVoy's vehicle was shot at several times as he drove away to seek the help and protection from the Grant County Sheriff. LaVoy's windshield was shot from the front by an agent who jumped out in front of the vehicle at the second stop. LaVoy was transporting an 18 year old girl with him who was visiting with her family to sing gospel music at the town hall they were traveling to. To save her, Shawna and Ryan Bundy, LaVoy jumped out of the vehicle with his hands in the air. He yelled out that if they were going to shoot someone, to shoot him. With his hands in the air, that is exactly what they did. The first shot struck him on the left side of his body. His body began to buckle and his hands went down to the wound but he was ordered to put his hands back in the air. He tried to do so, but naturally returned his hands back to the wound. He turned and pointed at the vehicle, yelling out that there were women in it. Rushing up behind him, another agent put a laser pointer on LaVoy and shot him in the face. He was still moving on the ground when they shot him three more times. It was cold-blooded murder. And the American people will not forget it. LaVoy is a martyr for the cause of justice and liberty. We will not stop fighting for our freedom. Harney County Oregon is our Bunker Hill. This is only the beginning. Just so you know...all I did was copy and paste what was on that link from Facebook....I didnt open or read any other links. I was just passing information. Nothing that I posted here was my personal opinion at all. I was just sharing info. SO NO...I did not look or read the link you posted.....all I did was copy and paste a link and article from Facebook. I dont know anything about which side or both sides that he may or may not have carried on....and don't really care....I think had he been black people would be rioting the streets right now.
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Location: Florida.. | foundation horse - 2016-02-02 3:43 PM I got dollars to donuts that the autopsy results will never see the public light of day!
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| foundation horse - 2016-02-02 2:43 PM
I got dollars to donuts that the autopsy results will never see the public light of day!
If the family does not request an autopsy of their own then, no, I do not believe it will ever be released. If the family does not order their own autopsy or does so and does not release the findings, I think that will say a lot about the situation without saying anything.
I hope for the sake of his fight with the BLM, they have the autopsy done and release it.
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Location: SW MO | foundation horse - 2016-02-02 2:43 PM
I got dollars to donuts that the autopsy results will never see the public light of day!
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| Three 4 Luck - 2016-02-02 2:50 PM
MOTIVATED - 2016-02-02 2:07 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-02-01 5:09 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-01 5:12 PM https://www.facebook.com/CitizensForConstitutionalFreedom.NEWS/photo... Citizens for Constitutional Freedom Support Group Like This Page · January 29 · Edited · The FBI says that LaVoy reached twice for a 9mm gun inside his jacket on the left hip area. However, LaVoy carried a revolver on his right hip in a holster. The video shows that LaVoy's jacket was closed at the time he was shot. Why would a right-handed man who carries a revolver openly on his right hip choose to leave his holster behind and instead hide another man's 9mm gun on the inside of a jacket around his left hip? It's as preposterous as the FBI's thoroughly debunked claim that federal agents did not start the fires that burned 80+ men, women and children alive at the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas. The FBI is lying. LaVoy's vehicle was shot at one time at the first stop when Ryan put his hands and head out the window to speak to the feds. LaVoy's vehicle was shot at several times as he drove away to seek the help and protection from the Grant County Sheriff. LaVoy's windshield was shot from the front by an agent who jumped out in front of the vehicle at the second stop. LaVoy was transporting an 18 year old girl with him who was visiting with her family to sing gospel music at the town hall they were traveling to. To save her, Shawna and Ryan Bundy, LaVoy jumped out of the vehicle with his hands in the air. He yelled out that if they were going to shoot someone, to shoot him. With his hands in the air, that is exactly what they did. The first shot struck him on the left side of his body. His body began to buckle and his hands went down to the wound but he was ordered to put his hands back in the air. He tried to do so, but naturally returned his hands back to the wound. He turned and pointed at the vehicle, yelling out that there were women in it. Rushing up behind him, another agent put a laser pointer on LaVoy and shot him in the face. He was still moving on the ground when they shot him three more times. It was cold-blooded murder. And the American people will not forget it. LaVoy is a martyr for the cause of justice and liberty. We will not stop fighting for our freedom. Harney County Oregon is our Bunker Hill. This is only the beginning. Just so you know...all I did was copy and paste what was on that link from Facebook....I didnt open or read any other links. I was just passing information. Nothing that I posted here was my personal opinion at all. I was just sharing info. SO NO...I did not look or read the link you posted.....all I did was copy and paste a link and article from Facebook. I dont know anything about which side or both sides that he may or may not have carried on....and don't really care....I think had he been black people would be rioting the streets right now.
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| cyount2009 - 2016-02-02 3:00 PM
foundation horse - 2016-02-02 2:43 PM
I got dollars to donuts that the autopsy results will never see the public light of day!
If the family does not request an autopsy of their own then, no, I do not believe it will ever be released. If the family does not order their own autopsy or does so and does not release the findings, I think that will say a lot about the situation without saying anything.
I hope for the sake of his fight with the BLM, they have the autopsy done and release it.
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | I saw the the fb post yesterday...idk. Here's a link...dang phones and internet are out...hard to post from my cell.LaVoy Finicum was shot 9 times, by Federal agents. A little excessive for an unarmed patriot! https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=917601441651402&id=52394... |
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Location: Florida.. | musikmaker - 2016-02-02 4:55 PM I saw the the fb post yesterday...idk. Here's a link...dang phones and internet are out...hard to post from my cell.LaVoy Finicum was shot 9 times, by Federal agents. A little excessive for an unarmed patriot! https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=917601441651402&id=5...
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Location: The edge of no where | I just really hope the family has an autopsy done and it's made public.....its the only way to know what happened. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | ThreeCorners - 2016-02-02 11:26 AM Please watch this. This will answere a lot of your questions Scott. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/theninjapastor/2016/01/30/first-hand-witness-to-the-murder-in-or-the-ninja-pastor-exclusive-interview
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | MS2011 - 2016-02-02 3:59 PM I just really hope the family has an autopsy done and it's made public.....its the only way to know what happened.
^^^^ I agree......this thread is beginning to border on the ridiculous with links to this "expert", this "witness" or this "video", this "whatever.".........We all KNOW that if you hunt the internet long enough, you are going to find an article, report, supposed eye witness, expert, etc, etc that will bolster your position....and of course, everything you find MUST be true....it's on the internet! |
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MS2011 - 2016-02-02 3:59 PM I just really hope the family has an autopsy done and it's made public.....its the only way to know what happened.
^^^^ I agree......this thread is beginning to border on the ridiculous with links to this "expert", this "witness" or this "video", this "whatever.".........We all KNOW that if you hunt the internet long enough, you are going to find an article, report, supposed eye witness, expert, etc, etc that will bolster your position....and of course, everything you find MUST be true....it's on the internet!
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jbhoot - 2016-02-02 5:30 PM
NJJ - 2016-02-02 5:08 PM
MS2011 - 2016-02-02 3:59 PM I just really hope the family has an autopsy done and it's made public.....its the only way to know what happened.
^^^^ I agree......this thread is beginning to border on the ridiculous with links to this "expert", this "witness" or this "video", this "whatever.".........We all KNOW that if you hunt the internet long enough, you are going to find an article, report, supposed eye witness, expert, etc, etc that will bolster your position....and of course, everything you find MUST be true....it's on the internet!
BINGO!!!!!
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | NJJ - 2016-02-02 4:08 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-02 3:59 PM I just really hope the family has an autopsy done and it's made public.....its the only way to know what happened. ^^^^ I agree......this thread is beginning to border on the ridiculous with links to this "expert", this "witness" or this "video", this "whatever.".........We all KNOW that if you hunt the internet long enough, you are going to find an article, report, supposed eye witness, expert, etc, etc that will bolster your position....and of course, everything you find MUST be true....it's on the internet!
So so true! The one I posted I saw on a site that is at least somewhat trusted! But...who the heck knows. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | My husband is convinced this is the start of another civil war. The people of Burns have had it.They have sent a letter demanding the Feds leave. Lots of protesting at the court house. The local's are reporting being pulled out of vehicles at gun point and searched. Ranchers out feeding cows being held at gunpoint being searched. They are accusing the "FBI" of using U.N soldiers. A "Judge" has called for assistance from the US Military. His call is recorded and he also said on his call to the Military Finicum was shot 9 times. All of it is on this reporters FB page. I dont know but it looks like a line has been drawn in the sand. https://www.facebook.com/lee.rice2?pnref=story |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | This is some of the video that is slowed down, replayed...etc. It clearly shows Ryan Payne and Lavoy holding their hands out and Ryan jerking them back in which is exactly what Victoria and Shawna said...note that their stories match and was told before the video came out. There is no way they could have fabricated their stories to match this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2TVFYYLP0Q&sns=fb
I still think that they (fed) fully expected a 'shoot out' and when the shots were only 'one way' they got in a bind...and, it's now said that they may have quit shooting because of the jeep with the father and daughter that drove upon them.
Is it possible that American Citizens would be killed to protect the faux-federal takeover of our country?
Is it possible that the executive branch agencies who we've come to know as the 'federal government' is in no way associated with the United States of America?
Don't be naive...don't be too paranoid, although, at this point I do wonder if there is such a thing as 'too paranoid'.
Lavoy Finicum was a threat. A 'virus' in their words.
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | ThreeCorners - 2016-02-03 7:23 AM My husband is convinced this is the start of another civil war. The people of Burns have had it.They have sent a letter demanding the Feds leave. Lots of protesting at the court house. The local's are reporting being pulled out of vehicles at gun point and searched. Ranchers out feeding cows being held at gunpoint being searched. They are accusing the "FBI" of using U.N soldiers. A "Judge" has called for assistance from the US Military. His call is recorded and he also said on his call to the Military Finicum was shot 9 times. All of it is on this reporters FB page. I dont know but it looks like a line has been drawn in the sand. https://www.facebook.com/lee.rice2?pnref=story
Exactly what the patriots were trying to avoid...they were determined to take our country back peacefully yet firmly. Very sad and scary.
Is Burns under martial law of sorts? I've seen here and there that the phones are shut off, internet is turned off...the only communications being cell phones once in awhile...roadblocks...and now this.
I want to state right here:
Please know that it's very unlikely that the majority of leo's would or could comprehend the enormity of this...it's almost impossible to wrap your mind around the possibilities, especially when your 'boss' is someone who you repect and have trusted. I don't think the sheriff had any idea it was this insidious, either...now it's too late.
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