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Location: Texas | ozcancrasher13 - 2013-12-17 9:53 AM
kboltwkreations - 2013-12-17 8:24 AM
Of course Im sure the PRCA will have stipultations on them that they cannot compete in both... There have already been talks of the NFR card.  Â
 This will get them sued. It's already happened once. "The Right to Work"....
Pretty sure there is at least one lawyer just waiting for the chance. Â
I disagree with you. There are ways you can put restrictions on your members. The PBR is a prime example, they have a "non compete" clause. They don't restrict their members from participating in other events, but if competing in another event conflicts with them competing at a PBR event, then yes they do pay consequences. I am not sure how many events they have to set out. So yes, the PRCA can put in a "non compete" clause that would be totally legal and not interfere with the Right to Work law. |
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| ThreeCorners - 2013-12-17 10:14 AM People like to gamble. Look how much money the casino's all across the US take in. Horse racing does well because of the wagering. People who are far removed from horses follow racing because of the gambling.Because of the gambling, it feeds the purses. IF they started wagering on the rodeo's and cowboys, alot more people would follow it. Thus growing a much bigger and broader fan base.
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Location: lost in missouri | http://m.lvsun.com/blogs/kats-report/2013/dec/16/vegas-ready-sweep-...
Took the time to read this article. It puts more perspective on all this. Sounds like LVE is done with PRCA. Sounds like PRCA wasnt quite done with Vegas though. Sounds like PRCA really doesnt want to leave Vegas but right now they are homeless for 2015. Push came to shoove and instead of shooving LVE walked away from the table. 18 months to vote is not good business PRCA no wonder LVE is ready to say goodbye and do something on their own. The contestants put on a heck of a show and deserve to be paid, but if not for the fans there would be no rodeos anywhere in this country. Some of the contestant comments have really struck a nerve with me. THey seem to have lost site that the rodeos arent for them as much as they are for the public and with no public for the sponsors and clubs to make money off of there would b no rodeo. With out the sponsors making money and the local clubs selling seats, burgers and drinks to the public there would be no purse money for you to win. So it is important for the fans to be happy with the location for their week of vacation. Do we want to see you paid more? Heck yes. Do we care to see your all about me attitude dont care about your vacation? no cause when it comes down to it i m paying your purse money every time i buy something from one of your sponsors, buy that ticket to the local rodeo, and get on that plane to Vegas in december. I think other towns have something to offer, I think that PRCA really needs to look into all offers. However i really think they are exploiting and stringing Orlando along trying to get Vegas in line. |
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| HotbearLVR - 2013-12-17 10:08 AM
ozcancrasher13 - 2013-12-17 9:40 AM Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-16 10:15 PM Keep in mind PRCA/WPRA is a unique "sport" in the way players are funneled to the finals. So to compare to other sports isn't just apples and oranges. It is more like apples and fire wood. Â
One of the cool things about rodeo is that every kid can grow up with the dream and a realistic shot. Not so much for NASCAR, NFL , etc.... I am all about building a better customer base.  But, even on BHW there is a thread with people wondering who Joe Beaver is....... Â
Heck we lost the Bull Fight tour years ago because of lack of sponsor money. And believe me there has been plenty of work done to bring it back. Â
Moving to FL or any place else is not going to magically fix these issues. PRCA is doing a much better job of marketing but they have a ways to go. And the WPRA couldn't even get current results up on their web site. Â
I would LOVE to see both orgaizations spend more time in promoting the local rodeo. Help get the citizens in the seats.  Talk to the kids about how to get started in rodeo.  We are not getting new members by the numbers we need to sustain.  The PRCA should be paying a retired Gold buckle member to go out and promote. Kids need to meet the heros of our sport.  I was 9 years old when I met Martha Josey. It blew my mind and made such a hugh impression. And to hear her story made me believe anything was possible.Â
Hopefully the talking heads at PRCA are smarter about this than the last time they decided to become a "Sports" venue and not rodeo. As I stated before it darned near was the end of the PRCA.Â
karen  Karen, you said pretty much the same thing I did yesterday....
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~~I just know that it does not rank with other professional sports. (I believe they are all getting paid way too much to play a game!!!) Those of us who rodeo, or follow it even if we don't, are a small number compared to the world.
If Tuf Cooper, Kevin Durant and Tom Brady walk down the street together, almost everyone will know Kevin and Tom. Most won't know Tuf.
Older guys, Michael Jordon, Brett Farve, and Joe Beaver. Who are people going to recognize?
That is why it is so hard to sell to people outside rodeo. I wish everyone in the world loved rodeo as much as they do baseball, soccer, basketball, football or hockey.Â
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I don't look at it from the standpoint that pro athletes in big sports "make too much money". They earn what the market dictates. We can sit here and say "I wish more people loved rodeo as much as they love football, baseball, etc..." or pro rodeo can wise up and come up with a more aggressive long range plan to capture a larger audience. Many ideas have emerged right here on this board, so we can hope that the experts and people in control can get it done. None of us expects an equivalent of a Micheal Jordan or A-Rod to emerge, but it's reasonable to expect a substantial improvement over the status quo. As far as I can tell, pro rodeo has been floundering for a long time. The term "professional" is, for the most part, a misnomer.Â
I just looked up the average salary of a circus clown: $38,000. Come on!!! Over 99% of so-called "pro rodeo" competitors don't earn that in a year. You can't tell me this can't be improved on substantially!Â
The more I read about this I really do think LVE has been screwing the PRCA, at least the last five or ten years. Like I mentioned earlier, a article that quoted Karl said in the past the prca felt like they pretty much had to take what Vegas offered because the weren't on solid financial footing, and they weren't really getting what they should. That is no longer the case. I thought that it was interesting that the number of prca sanctioned rodeos was up and so is the prize money! I don't remeber the dollar amount but it was million+. So I think rodeo isn't in as bad a shape as some may think.
The one area he said they had a little concern was membership is down. It showed that number and it was very minute. But still a concern. |
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| HotbearLVR - 2013-12-17 10:08 AM Again, the same can be said of pro wrestling, Extreme Fighting, even NASCAR.
I don't look at it from the standpoint that pro athletes in big sports "make too much money". They earn what the market dictates. We can sit here and say "I wish more people loved rodeo as much as they love football, baseball, etc..." or pro rodeo can wise up and come up with a more aggressive long range plan to capture a larger audience. Many ideas have emerged right here on this board, so we can hope that the experts and people in control can get it done. None of us expects an equivalent of a Micheal Jordan or A-Rod to emerge, but it's reasonable to expect a substantial improvement over the status quo. As far as I can tell, pro rodeo has been floundering for a long time. The term "professional" is, for the most part, a misnomer.
I just looked up the average salary of a circus clown: $38,000. Come on!!! Over 99% of so-called "pro rodeo" competitors don't earn that in a year. You can't tell me this can't be improved on substantially!
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| The man behind SouthPoint weighs in...
Of course he is on the LVE board so we know whos side he is on.
http://m.reviewjournal.com/columns-blogs/ed-graney/gaughan-confident-rodeo-can-thrive-here-without-nfr |
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But only one rodeo can "crown" a world champion...the other is just a "rodeo"...hmm.... |
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| EnterUp - 2013-12-17 10:15 AM
ozcancrasher13 - 2013-12-17 9:53 AM
kboltwkreations - 2013-12-17 8:24 AM
Of course Im sure the PRCA will have stipultations on them that they cannot compete in both... There have already been talks of the NFR card.  Â
 This will get them sued. It's already happened once. "The Right to Work"....
Pretty sure there is at least one lawyer just waiting for the chance. Â
I disagree with you. There are ways you can put restrictions on your members. The PBR is a prime example, they have a "non compete" clause. They don't restrict their members from participating in other events, but if competing in another event conflicts with them competing at a PBR event, then yes they do pay consequences. I am not sure how many events they have to set out. So yes, the PRCA can put in a "non compete" clause that would be totally legal and not interfere with the Right to Work law.
Prca Rodeo is set up totally different than PBR. You can't really compare the two and I'm sure that would apply legally. |
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| God Is My Light - 2013-12-16 6:59 PM I think that nobody realizes that Florida is known as the "service state " LVG aint got nothing on Florida, if the NFR does go there they will make it bigger and better then Vegas ever could I am sorry that's the truth, and as much as I would have loved to have run down the T&M alley way ....I really don't care where it goes, I am pretty sure if I made the Finals and I was going to run in FL I really wouldn't care that it wasn't in LVG.....its sounds stupid now, but you watch if it goes to Florida they will treat it right and GO BIG its just they way they roll down there ......that's why I love it. Can anyone be positive about anything on this board ? come on y'all who cares where its at, if the Pros go with it so will I, its the people that make Rodeo and the NFR special not the city or state .......just support the dang thang wherever it goes, its in the athletes and directors hand not ours.
Florida would be ready for all the NFR tourists to have something to do, trust me.Thoroughbred race tracks, new casino laws, new clubs, shopping, Sea World, Disney, and a glitzy mega resort hosting the best rodeo in the world. Fla is not a bad place to be in the winter. Contestants would actually have places to keep their horses with pasture turn out. |
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| LIVE2RUN - 2013-12-17 10:35 AM But only one rodeo can "crown" a world champion...the other is just a "rodeo"...hmm....
I think I read somewhere that over 60,000 people visited Vegas this year for NFR.
How many of them do you think could name two of the world champions? |
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Location: Colorado | EnterUp - 2013-12-17 10:15 AM ozcancrasher13 - 2013-12-17 9:53 AM kboltwkreations - 2013-12-17 8:24 AM
Of course Im sure the PRCA will have stipultations on them that they cannot compete in both... There have already been talks of the NFR card. This will get them sued. It's already happened once. "The Right to Work"....
Pretty sure there is at least one lawyer just waiting for the chance.
I disagree with you. There are ways you can put restrictions on your members. The PBR is a prime example, they have a "non compete" clause. They don't restrict their members from participating in other events, but if competing in another event conflicts with them competing at a PBR event, then yes they do pay consequences. I am not sure how many events they have to set out. So yes, the PRCA can put in a "non compete" clause that would be totally legal and not interfere with the Right to Work law.
EnterUp,
There is history here. The PRCA has been sued and lost when they tried restricting the members. I doubt the results would be differant now. It also puts a strain on the membership when law suits happen.
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He is also on the NFR board of directors |
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Location: Texas | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-17 10:35 AM
EnterUp - 2013-12-17 10:15 AM
ozcancrasher13 - 2013-12-17 9:53 AM
kboltwkreations - 2013-12-17 8:24 AM
Of course Im sure the PRCA will have stipultations on them that they cannot compete in both... There have already been talks of the NFR card.  Â
 This will get them sued. It's already happened once. "The Right to Work"....
Pretty sure there is at least one lawyer just waiting for the chance. Â
I disagree with you. There are ways you can put restrictions on your members. The PBR is a prime example, they have a "non compete" clause. They don't restrict their members from participating in other events, but if competing in another event conflicts with them competing at a PBR event, then yes they do pay consequences. I am not sure how many events they have to set out. So yes, the PRCA can put in a "non compete" clause that would be totally legal and not interfere with the Right to Work law.
Prca Rodeo is set up totally different than PBR. You can't really compare the two and I'm sure that would apply legally.
Yeah, I am sure your right  This coming from the person that thought Sherry was "playing it safe". Sorry but I think you expertise about rodeo has came from what you have seen from the view from your couch |
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Location: Arizona | TXBO - 2013-12-17 9:42 AM LIVE2RUN - 2013-12-17 10:35 AM But only one rodeo can "crown" a world champion...the other is just a "rodeo"...hmm....
How many of them do you think could name two of the world champions?
Maybe have two NFR's one in FL one in Vegas and the champions of each event can compete at the "American" and the winner of that is the World Champion!!! |
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Two observations. 1. If they are going to have to "spend alot of money" then why aren't they willing to spend what it takes to keep the NFR? 2. This guy really looks like he into the "rodeo/cowboy" lifestyle....soparanoes probably more his cup of tea. |
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| EnterUp - 2013-12-17 10:44 AM
yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-17 10:35 AM
EnterUp - 2013-12-17 10:15 AM
ozcancrasher13 - 2013-12-17 9:53 AM
kboltwkreations - 2013-12-17 8:24 AM
Of course Im sure the PRCA will have stipultations on them that they cannot compete in both... There have already been talks of the NFR card.  Â
 This will get them sued. It's already happened once. "The Right to Work"....
Pretty sure there is at least one lawyer just waiting for the chance. Â
I disagree with you. There are ways you can put restrictions on your members. The PBR is a prime example, they have a "non compete" clause. They don't restrict their members from participating in other events, but if competing in another event conflicts with them competing at a PBR event, then yes they do pay consequences. I am not sure how many events they have to set out. So yes, the PRCA can put in a "non compete" clause that would be totally legal and not interfere with the Right to Work law.
Prca Rodeo is set up totally different than PBR. You can't really compare the two and I'm sure that would apply legally.
Yeah, I am sure your right This coming from the person that thought Sherry was "playing it safe". Sorry but I think you expertise about rodeo has came from what you have seen from the view from your couch
Haha o you are the witty one! Do you even know how the pro tour or the qualifiers of the PBR is set up??? If so please enlighten us, genius? Before you spout any more of your ignorance for all the world to see. |
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Location: Colorado | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-17 10:49 AM Two observations. 1. If they are going to have to "spend alot of money" then why aren't they willing to spend what it takes to keep the NFR? 2. This guy really looks like he into the "rodeo/cowboy" lifestyle....soparanoes probably more his cup of tea.
Oh please! Because he doesn't "Look" the way you think he should.
Should we now have a spectator dress code? What about sponsors?
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| PRCA rejects current financial offer from LVE  Dec.16, 2013
The Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association Board of Directors voted Dec. 15 to reject the terms of the current financial offer from Las Vegas Events to extend the WNFR contract past 2014. The PRCA Board did not vote to leave Las Vegas; the vote was made strictly on the content of the current offer. The PRCA continues to carefully consider offers from all potential WNFR hosts. | |
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| Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-17 10:54 AM
yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-17 10:49 AM Two observations. 1. If they are going to have to "spend alot of money" then why aren't they willing to spend what it takes to keep the NFR? 2. This guy really looks like he into the "rodeo/cowboy" lifestyle....soparanoes probably more his cup of tea.
Should we now have a spectator dress code? What about sponsors? Â
karenÂ
I was joking! Chill, hotshot. |
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Location: Texas | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-17 10:53 AM
EnterUp - 2013-12-17 10:44 AM
yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-17 10:35 AM
EnterUp - 2013-12-17 10:15 AM
ozcancrasher13 - 2013-12-17 9:53 AM
kboltwkreations - 2013-12-17 8:24 AM
Of course Im sure the PRCA will have stipultations on them that they cannot compete in both... There have already been talks of the NFR card.  Â
 This will get them sued. It's already happened once. "The Right to Work"....
Pretty sure there is at least one lawyer just waiting for the chance. Â
I disagree with you. There are ways you can put restrictions on your members. The PBR is a prime example, they have a "non compete" clause. They don't restrict their members from participating in other events, but if competing in another event conflicts with them competing at a PBR event, then yes they do pay consequences. I am not sure how many events they have to set out. So yes, the PRCA can put in a "non compete" clause that would be totally legal and not interfere with the Right to Work law.
Prca Rodeo is set up totally different than PBR. You can't really compare the two and I'm sure that would apply legally.
Yeah, I am sure your right This coming from the person that thought Sherry was "playing it safe". Sorry but I think you expertise about rodeo has came from what you have seen from the view from your couch
Haha o you are the witty one! Do you even know how the pro tour or the qualifiers of the PBR is set up??? If so please enlighten us, genius? Before you spout any more of your ignorance for all the world to see.
Sweetie I can't even begin to compete with you on "ignorant statements" for the week. |
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