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Location: Sperry, OK | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-01 5:35 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-05-01 3:27 PM Crowned Image - 2014-05-01 2:34 PM I'm going to bring up a topic. I hauled an awful lot in the Midwest when I was living there. different producers, different types of shows, lots of rules and regulations. Never was I once EVER asked for my coggins papers or a health certificate in my 10+ years of showing there. Sure show bills said coggins were required, but not a single person EVER stopped me and said, "where are your coggins, if you don't have them, you aren't showing today." Since I have moved to Maryland and I have hauled a few places, different organizations and such, every single place asks for at least a coggins paper. I've been asked for health certificates also. Not only do they want to see it, but they are going to make a copy of it, and make that information useful. And if you don't have it, you're not entering. Sure it's a pain, but look at the position I feel like a lot of people are in right now. And sure we're worried over here, but enforcing things like coggins papers might have been able to prevent this, or at least slow travesties like this down. use information to your advantage people and producers. And I'm going to put my big girl panties on and say this... If you want to haul, haul. If you don't, don't. you know the dangers and you know how precious your horses are to you. If someone has made the conscious decision to haul, leave them alone. they know their horses can get sick and die, and they have made that decision. You harping at them all day about it, probably isn't going to change their mind. ***zipping up my flame suit*** It is nice to know that your horse is EIA (Coggins) negative once a year, but really.. Coggins papers aren't worth the paper they are written on. You can pull blood, and 10 mins later get infected before the sample is even sent to the lab.. then you are hauling a possitive horse around for a year and don't even know it. Not to derail this thread, but since there is no madatory test for EHV, there is no way to even begin to erradicate. Making you show health papers is just the same as Coggins, your horse could be fine when the papers are written and an hour later break with fever from something... there is just no way to know if your horse is shedding or not, and if the timing is right you could have taken all the required steps and still be the one infecting others. We just need to stay home for a bit. If it is as bad as everyone on this post says it is, then why haven't the state vets intervened as they did in 2011?
I never stated it was THAT bad. I just stated that making people show health papers and Coggins wasn't necessarily going to prevent anything from spreading, including EIA. And if people would just stay home for a week, it would for the most part, go away.
Griz -- you are right except it not a money maker for the vets as they are mandated by the government to pull those tests... its a government money thing! I agree! | |
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Location: South Dakota | Kgirl - 2014-05-02 7:34 AM Nateracer - 2014-05-02 7:32 AM Kgirl - 2014-05-02 6:16 AM Alright so i have a question and it may of already been answered in this massive thread...
If a horse is a non symptom showing - virus shedding horse... how long can that horse shed that virus???? According to all I've read 28 days.
Wow... so the two week canceling of shows isn't gonna help... I'm not in any of the affected states but the life of the virus being that long it makes me concerned to haul!
I was wondering that too, that is a long time. Does the weather affect that? If the weather completely straightened out and got real warm would it shorten that time? | |
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| Timber Creek - 2014-05-02 8:17 AM Kgirl - 2014-05-02 7:34 AM Nateracer - 2014-05-02 7:32 AM Kgirl - 2014-05-02 6:16 AM Alright so i have a question and it may of already been answered in this massive thread...
If a horse is a non symptom showing - virus shedding horse... how long can that horse shed that virus???? According to all I've read 28 days.
Wow... so the two week canceling of shows isn't gonna help... I'm not in any of the affected states but the life of the virus being that long it makes me concerned to haul!
As far as a horse shedding the virus, the weather doesn't have anything to do with it.
From what I've read, it doesn't live as long on say a fence in the sunshine as it would in a damp indoor stall. I don't remember how long they said it could survive in the right environment. | |
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| The gohorseshow.com article:
EHV-1 case confirmed in Pennsylvania
Published 05/01/2014 - 1:35 p.m. CDT
Taken from veterinarian, Dr. Penny Grove of Felton, Pennsylvania Facebook Page
NOTICE - regarding the EHV-1 neuro cases in VA and now in Unionville, PA a PA State Veterinarian sent out the following email today: Good afternoon. I apologize for the delay in getting this information to you. I wanted to wait until we had definitive laboratory confirmation which I just received within the past 15 minutes. Although the rumor mill has been running all day, I can confirm now that we had a case of EHV-1, neuropathic type in a horse in Unionville, Chester County. This case is related to the EHV-1 neuro case in Virginia earlier this month. As this horse was a trace-out from that situation, the premises has been under a movement restriction since last Saturday. Horses have not been coming or going from this premises since 4/3/14 when the positive horse arrived.
Please help me to get accurate information to your equine clients. Despite the sometimes severe nature of this disease and the tragedy it can be for severely affected horses and those who care for them, this situation is not a widespread calamity or cause for panic. This virus does not travel for hundreds of yards through the air as some have been saying. Yes, this is an equine-dense geographical area and we will not quarantine every horse in the greater-Unionville area, because the quarantines are based on scientific risk factors not fear. Thus horses that have known or potential exposure and their associated materials (tack, trailers, bedding, etc.) are and will be under quarantine and horses that are simply somewhere in the vicinity will not be restricted. The management and personnel of the premises involved have been very cooperative and are taking great pains to clean and disinfect the premises and to maintain the highest level of biosecurity within the premises.
In my opinion, the most important information to get out to equine owners is the simplest and should be in place always, not just when there is a known issue: don’t panic but don’t share water buckets, twitches, tack, or anything else with other equine premises, try to prevent horses from having nose to nose contact with others at shows and events where many horses are commingled, and don’t ignore signs of illness in a horse and take it to an event anyway. EHV-1 is nearly ubiquitous in equine populations in the US and we cannot predict when and where it will become a problem next.
I'm left with a few questions after reading this article...first off, is this related to the outbreak in MN/WI? The PA and VA cases are pretty obviously related according to this, but it doesn't say anything about the midwestern outbreak. Where had the VA horse (first horse infected of the two) been before that? I had not heard anything about a case in VA until I read this article.
The article from thehorse.com talked about a case in Manitoba. That case involves a racehorse. It's just a little baffling how this virus seems to be jumping around. Granted, Manitoba and Minnesota share a length of border. Maybe it's just my ignorance of the racing industry showing, but I wouldn't think that the horse would've been in contact with too many horses that weren't other racehorses?
I'm even MORE confused in light of all this new info!!! Gah!  | |
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Location: North Dakota | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-02 9:21 AM I have the perfect solution: Equine total body condoms.
My concern with this is that there would be a hole, which would be naked to the eye, that would allow the "germ" in and infect the horse.
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-05-02 9:21 AM I have the perfect solution: Equine total body condoms.
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| k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 10:04 AM
The gohorseshow.com article: EHV-1 case confirmed in Pennsylvania Published 05/01/2014 - 1:35 p.m. CDT Taken from veterinarian, Dr. Penny Grove of Felton, Pennsylvania Facebook Page NOTICE - regarding the EHV-1 neuro cases in VA and now in Unionville, PA a PA State Veterinarian sent out the following email today: Good afternoon. I apologize for the delay in getting this information to you. I wanted to wait until we had definitive laboratory confirmation which I just received within the past 15 minutes. Although the rumor mill has been running all day, I can confirm now that we had a case of EHV-1, neuropathic type in a horse in Unionville, Chester County. This case is related to the EHV-1 neuro case in Virginia earlier this month. As this horse was a trace-out from that situation, the premises has been under a movement restriction since last Saturday. Horses have not been coming or going from this premises since 4/3/14 when the positive horse arrived. Please help me to get accurate information to your equine clients. Despite the sometimes severe nature of this disease and the tragedy it can be for severely affected horses and those who care for them, this situation is not a widespread calamity or cause for panic. This virus does not travel for hundreds of yards through the air as some have been saying. Yes, this is an equine-dense geographical area and we will not quarantine every horse in the greater-Unionville area, because the quarantines are based on scientific risk factors not fear. Thus horses that have known or potential exposure and their associated materials (tack, trailers, bedding, etc. ) are and will be under quarantine and horses that are simply somewhere in the vicinity will not be restricted. The management and personnel of the premises involved have been very cooperative and are taking great pains to clean and disinfect the premises and to maintain the highest level of biosecurity within the premises. In my opinion, the most important information to get out to equine owners is the simplest and should be in place always, not just when there is a known issue: don’t panic but don’t share water buckets, twitches, tack, or anything else with other equine premises, try to prevent horses from having nose to nose contact with others at shows and events where many horses are commingled, and don’t ignore signs of illness in a horse and take it to an event anyway. EHV-1 is nearly ubiquitous in equine populations in the US and we cannot predict when and where it will become a problem next. I'm left with a few questions after reading this article...first off, is this related to the outbreak in MN/WI? The PA and VA cases are pretty obviously related according to this, but it doesn't say anything about the midwestern outbreak. Where had the VA horse (first horse infected of the two ) been before that? I had not heard anything about a case in VA until I read this article. The article from thehorse.com talked about a case in Manitoba. That case involves a racehorse. It's just a little baffling how this virus seems to be jumping around. Granted, Manitoba and Minnesota share a length of border. Maybe it's just my ignorance of the racing industry showing, but I wouldn't think that the horse would've been in contact with too many horses that weren't other racehorses? I'm even MORE confused in light of all this new info!!! Gah!Â
I believe there have been issues on the east coast for some time. Philiadelpha park was in quarantine a few times.
http://www.theracingbiz.com/2014/03/10/pennsylvania-horsemen-lookin... | |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-05-02 9:21 AM I have the perfect solution: Equine total body condoms.
So...this isn't going to help if the ponies are supposed to still be breathing!
I wonder what they would think of a giant horse sized bubble? New Trail Obstacle?? | |
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Location: north dakota | Nateracer - 2014-05-02 11:19 AM
HotbearLVR - 2014-05-02 9:21 AM I have the perfect solution: Equine total body condoms.
So...this isn't going to help if the ponies are supposed to still be breathing! I wonder what they would think of a giant horse sized bubble? New Trail Obstacle??Â
I think horse face masks for warm up and community areas would be helpful to prevent the spread of this virus. Bet horses would love wearing them.
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| LAC - 2014-05-02 11:14 AM
k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 10:04 AM
The gohorseshow.com article: EHV-1 case confirmed in Pennsylvania Published 05/01/2014 - 1:35 p.m. CDT Taken from veterinarian, Dr. Penny Grove of Felton, Pennsylvania Facebook Page NOTICE - regarding the EHV-1 neuro cases in VA and now in Unionville, PA a PA State Veterinarian sent out the following email today: Good afternoon. I apologize for the delay in getting this information to you. I wanted to wait until we had definitive laboratory confirmation which I just received within the past 15 minutes. Although the rumor mill has been running all day, I can confirm now that we had a case of EHV-1, neuropathic type in a horse in Unionville, Chester County. This case is related to the EHV-1 neuro case in Virginia earlier this month. As this horse was a trace-out from that situation, the premises has been under a movement restriction since last Saturday. Horses have not been coming or going from this premises since 4/3/14 when the positive horse arrived. Please help me to get accurate information to your equine clients. Despite the sometimes severe nature of this disease and the tragedy it can be for severely affected horses and those who care for them, this situation is not a widespread calamity or cause for panic. This virus does not travel for hundreds of yards through the air as some have been saying. Yes, this is an equine-dense geographical area and we will not quarantine every horse in the greater-Unionville area, because the quarantines are based on scientific risk factors not fear. Thus horses that have known or potential exposure and their associated materials (tack, trailers, bedding, etc. ) are and will be under quarantine and horses that are simply somewhere in the vicinity will not be restricted. The management and personnel of the premises involved have been very cooperative and are taking great pains to clean and disinfect the premises and to maintain the highest level of biosecurity within the premises. In my opinion, the most important information to get out to equine owners is the simplest and should be in place always, not just when there is a known issue: don’t panic but don’t share water buckets, twitches, tack, or anything else with other equine premises, try to prevent horses from having nose to nose contact with others at shows and events where many horses are commingled, and don’t ignore signs of illness in a horse and take it to an event anyway. EHV-1 is nearly ubiquitous in equine populations in the US and we cannot predict when and where it will become a problem next. I'm left with a few questions after reading this article...first off, is this related to the outbreak in MN/WI? The PA and VA cases are pretty obviously related according to this, but it doesn't say anything about the midwestern outbreak. Where had the VA horse (first horse infected of the two ) been before that? I had not heard anything about a case in VA until I read this article. The article from thehorse.com talked about a case in Manitoba. That case involves a racehorse. It's just a little baffling how this virus seems to be jumping around. Granted, Manitoba and Minnesota share a length of border. Maybe it's just my ignorance of the racing industry showing, but I wouldn't think that the horse would've been in contact with too many horses that weren't other racehorses? I'm even MORE confused in light of all this new info!!! Gah!Â
I believe there have been issues on the east coast for some time. Philiadelpha park was in quarantine a few times.
http://www.theracingbiz.com/2014/03/10/pennsylvania-horsemen-lookin...
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Location: Texas! | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-05-02 7:08 AM
cheryl makofka - 2014-05-01 5:35 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-05-01 3:27 PM Crowned Image - 2014-05-01 2:34 PM I'm going to bring up a topic. I hauled an awful lot in the Midwest when I was living there. different producers, different types of shows, lots of rules and regulations. Never was I once EVER asked for my coggins papers or a health certificate in my 10+ years of showing there. Sure show bills said coggins were required, but not a single person EVER stopped me and said, "where are your coggins, if you don't have them, you aren't showing today." Since I have moved to Maryland and I have hauled a few places, different organizations and such, every single place asks for at least a coggins paper. I've been asked for health certificates also. Not only do they want to see it, but they are going to make a copy of it, and make that information useful. And if you don't have it, you're not entering. Sure it's a pain, but look at the position I feel like a lot of people are in right now. And sure we're worried over here, but enforcing things like coggins papers might have been able to prevent this, or at least slow travesties like this down. use information to your advantage people and producers. And I'm going to put my big girl panties on and say this... If you want to haul, haul. If you don't, don't. you know the dangers and you know how precious your horses are to you. If someone has made the conscious decision to haul, leave them alone. they know their horses can get sick and die, and they have made that decision. You harping at them all day about it, probably isn't going to change their mind. ***zipping up my flame suit*** Â It is nice to know that your horse is EIA (Coggins) negative once a year, but really.. Coggins papers aren't worth the paper they are written on. Â You can pull blood, and 10 mins later get infected before the sample is even sent to the lab.. then you are hauling a possitive horse around for a year and don't even know it. Â Not to derail this thread, but since there is no madatory test for EHV, there is no way to even begin to erradicate. Â Making you show health papers is just the same as Coggins, your horse could be fine when the papers are written and an hour later break with fever from something... there is just no way to know if your horse is shedding or not, and if the timing is right you could have taken all the required steps and still be the one infecting others. Â We just need to stay home for a bit. If it is as bad as everyone on this post says it is, then why haven't the state vets intervened as they did in 2011?
Griz -- you are right except it not a money maker for the vets as they are mandated by the government to pull those tests... its a government money thing! Â I agree!
Coggins is not a money maker for the gov't. The test cost like $7 at the state vet and the papers are sent free as health cert books are also free. So that extra ooh $30 you pay to the vet yea it's a money maker for the doc's I would say. | |
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Location: Sperry, OK | WYOracer - 2014-05-02 12:56 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-05-02 7:08 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-01 5:35 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-05-01 3:27 PM Crowned Image - 2014-05-01 2:34 PM I'm going to bring up a topic. I hauled an awful lot in the Midwest when I was living there. different producers, different types of shows, lots of rules and regulations. Never was I once EVER asked for my coggins papers or a health certificate in my 10+ years of showing there. Sure show bills said coggins were required, but not a single person EVER stopped me and said, "where are your coggins, if you don't have them, you aren't showing today." Since I have moved to Maryland and I have hauled a few places, different organizations and such, every single place asks for at least a coggins paper. I've been asked for health certificates also. Not only do they want to see it, but they are going to make a copy of it, and make that information useful. And if you don't have it, you're not entering. Sure it's a pain, but look at the position I feel like a lot of people are in right now. And sure we're worried over here, but enforcing things like coggins papers might have been able to prevent this, or at least slow travesties like this down. use information to your advantage people and producers. And I'm going to put my big girl panties on and say this... If you want to haul, haul. If you don't, don't. you know the dangers and you know how precious your horses are to you. If someone has made the conscious decision to haul, leave them alone. they know their horses can get sick and die, and they have made that decision. You harping at them all day about it, probably isn't going to change their mind. ***zipping up my flame suit*** It is nice to know that your horse is EIA (Coggins) negative once a year, but really.. Coggins papers aren't worth the paper they are written on. You can pull blood, and 10 mins later get infected before the sample is even sent to the lab.. then you are hauling a possitive horse around for a year and don't even know it. Not to derail this thread, but since there is no madatory test for EHV, there is no way to even begin to erradicate. Making you show health papers is just the same as Coggins, your horse could be fine when the papers are written and an hour later break with fever from something... there is just no way to know if your horse is shedding or not, and if the timing is right you could have taken all the required steps and still be the one infecting others. We just need to stay home for a bit. If it is as bad as everyone on this post says it is, then why haven't the state vets intervened as they did in 2011?
Griz -- you are right except it not a money maker for the vets as they are mandated by the government to pull those tests... its a government money thing! I agree! Coggins is not a money maker for the gov't. The test cost like $7 at the state vet and the papers are sent free as health cert books are also free. So that extra ooh $30 you pay to the vet yea it's a money maker for the doc's I would say.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | cjane - 2014-05-02 1:25 PM Does any one know if the horses that were put down had current vaccinations or did the vaccines not cover this strain of EHV-1?
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Location: Bixby, Ok | Health paper forms and coggins forms are no longer free. And although
The test cost from the lab are one thing. The time it takes for us to do
All the required paperwork and send In the state copies etc. Adds up
In not only postage and costs of forms but also are time. As much
As I would love to sell my services for what the cost me I can't and
Actually make a living. That would be like you going to your job
For 40 hrs aweek ( which would be a vacation for most vets) for exactly
What it cost you to get there each week. I hate it when you guys thinks
We are all out to he rich and cheat you. My soap box for he day. Good day
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | BR-DVM - 2014-05-02 2:32 PM Health paper forms and coggins forms are no longer free. And although The test cost from the lab are one thing. The time it takes for us to do All the required paperwork and send In the state copies etc. Adds up In not only postage and costs of forms but also are time. As much As I would love to sell my services for what the cost me I can't and Actually make a living. That would be like you going to your job For 40 hrs aweek ( which would be a vacation for most vets) for exactly What it cost you to get there each week. I hate it when you guys thinks We are all out to he rich and cheat you. My soap box for he day. Good day
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