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The pandemic team Trump put together is top notch, and I submit better than the one that John Bolton eliminated. Name someone from that pandemic team better than Dr Fauci. Trump put the team together and designated VP Pence to lead the effort, from an organizational standpoint, but Dr Fauci leads the scientists. As Trump quickly and boldly called for the travel ban, your candidate was accusing him of creating hysteria and xenophobia with his ban.....yes, your candidate, Joe Biden. The media went right along with him. The liberal mainstream media called the virus the "Chinese Virus" and the "Wuhan Virus" and even "Trump's Virus" in unison across the board....until they received their new orders, apparently from China, to call Trump a "racist" and "xenophobe" for using the same terms they use. They gleefully referred to this crisis as "Trump's Katrina" and "Trump's Chernobyl".....with absolutely no consequences to this incendiary behavior. They get a pass for these incendiary remarks and grotesque name calling. Trump's later action to close travel from Europe and the UK was meant with further squeals from the European countries....only to enact the same restrictions 6 weeks later...followed by Canada. Evidently they have had an epiphany and have done the same thing.....yet Trump is a buffoon and a dunce. Funny how that works. Here, palopony, watch this snippet from a half hour interview with Dr Fauci last night. During that interview, when asked about the president's early response to this, he described it as "EXCELLENT". As to Trump's alleged anti science leanings, watch this. This is what I wrote about it earlier today on FB: I watched this 1/2 hour interview last night, and I continue to be impressed by his calm, sensible, matter-of-fact demeanor.
His style of communication is polished and easy for anyone to understand. This man is a treasure. I contrast this with the opinion pieces in the liberal press claiming that Trump is “anti science” and is continually clashing and at odds with the scientists on his team. Well, that’s their read,...rather, that’s the narrative they want to push. Literally, for the first time in human history, the liberal opposition wants to push the narrative that labeling a virus on its origin, such as Spain, China, the Middle East, or Hong Kong is all of a sudden “racist” and “xenophobic”.
Why this, all of a sudden? Simple.....it’s a fiat handed down by liberals because it decries Trump’s alleged racism, that’s why. It’s really that thesimple. What people seem to be missing is how that same liberal media uniformly referred to this as the “Chinese virus” and the “Wuhan virus”, to the extent that actual video montages exist of pundits using this term regularly in their hysterical rants when news of this outbreak began to replace the failed impeachment effort in February. Then, just like that, they decided by fiat, the terms “China” and “Wuhan” were all of a sudden racist.....why? Because they said so, that’s why.....and it’s no coincidence that the Communist Chinese propagandists decided the same thing right before the switch.
Dr Fauci, in unambiguous terms, described Trump’s response to this, right from the start, as “excellent”.....his description. Trump’s prompt, decisive response with the travel bans was unprecedented, bold, and widely condemned by his critics as “extreme” and “xenophobic”......fast forward 6 weeks, and countries in Europe and Canada followed his lead. As Fauci said, his action probably was the most critical step in minimizing the damage from this pandemic.
And just to clarify, particularly to those who take these liberal op-eds from CNN, NYT, and the WaPo, this video lays to rest another grotesque lie that he is “anti-science”. Dr Fauci slam dunks this lie emphatically and unambiguously. It’s your choice: either you can take the word of these op-eds, based on unnamed sources or even assumptions, OR you can learn the truth about Trump’s respect for science from one of the most accomplished, widely respected scientists in history. Watch this....you decide. Where did your husband get the rumor that Fauci was going to be fired?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dr-fauci-reacts-to-claims-trump-is-not-following-the-science-on-covid-19/vi-BB11ysaF
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Location: My happy place | You know Dr Bear I have read a lot and you can insult and bash the democrats, liberals, news and anyone who thinks different than you I don't care. My husband heard it on sirus radio if I had to guess, and I had read the Q & A over my morning coffee. So I have no idea but he sure was missing at the press conference they said he had better things to do. I'm sure he does. I think now that his SIL is on the team and has been studying we are in trouble. I think it's wonderful he has assembled a great team probably a beautiful team, I just think if he left the one they had in place we may have been ahead of this mess. Would have been such a plus for him, if not he could have blamed Obama...... but he has already. I do believe on March 15, when I first posted the right wing media and most of you said it was a hoax. For many people I really don't think it will be an issue. I mentioned before after traveling to Yellowstone and MT, WY, SD, ND and all I heard on the radio was FOX News. I truly understand why you feel the way many of you do.  Don't really wish to fight with you, sad we agree on many issues. As for Joe Biden he is not my choice, I keep hoping for a better selection. Discussing with a friend about his not being more vocal. IMO I think it would take attention away from the Governor's right now and they need all the help and attention they can get. I think it would be selfish and a distraction at a time like this. JMO So Dr. Bear I have a question for you........ Trump wants to put everyone back to work and it seems Dr. Fauci seems to think we should stay put. What is your opinion on who is right? We could discuss and maybe learn something or name call each others sources or just watch and see how it all plays out. Which is my plan everyone please stay safe as you can. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Palopony - 2020-03-23 8:23 PM
You know Dr Bear I have read a lot and you can insult and bash the democrats, liberals, news and anyone who thinks different than you I don't care.
My husband heard it on sirus radio if I had to guess, and I had read the Q & A over my morning coffee. So I have no idea but he sure was missing at the press conference they said he had better things to do. I'm sure he does. I think now that his SIL is on the team and has been studying we are in trouble.
I think it's wonderful he has assembled a great team probably a beautiful team, I just think if he left the one they had in place we may have been ahead of this mess. Would have been such a plus for him, if not he could have blamed Obama...... but he has already.
I do believe on March 15, when I first posted the right wing media and most of you said it was a hoax.
For many people I really don't think it will be an issue. I mentioned before after traveling to Yellowstone and MT, WY, SD, ND and all I heard on the radio was FOX News. I truly understand why you feel the way many of you do.
Don't really wish to fight with you, sad we agree on many issues. As for Joe Biden he is not my choice, I keep hoping for a better selection. Discussing with a friend about his not being more vocal. IMO I think it would take attention away from the Governor's right now and they need all the help and attention they can get. I think it would be selfish and a distraction at a time like this. JMO
So Dr. Bear I have a question for you........ Trump wants to put everyone back to work and it seems Dr. Fauci seems to think we should stay put.
What is your opinion on who is right?
We could discuss and maybe learn something or name call each others sources or just watch and see how it all plays out. Which is my plan everyone please stay safe as you can.
Excellent question, but first I want to point out some errors and make some remarks about your last response. You say repeatedly when I "insult" liberal Democrats, and the media, but I guess it's OK for you to throw your own insults. Here's a little FYI, I will always criticize liberal Democrats when I feel they are wrong. You can keep protesting (while at the same time saying you don't care) as much as you want. I don't really care. So, your husband's source for saying he heard Trump is going to fire Dr Fauci was Sirius radio. Howard Stern, perhaps? I'm unaware of any trustworthy source to substantiate that rumor. Did you watch the video I posted? Did he sound like someone within a whisker of being fired? No, I don't think so either. So you watched the Q&A? Evidently you don't remember it. Fauci was busy with a team meeting. He is working his ass off and it is senseless to march him out for 2 hours every day, just to have 10-15 minutes at the podium. Several members were missing, in fact. Several times I have explained that the Coronavirus response team has functioned better than the team that was in place. He assembled a talented team within a couple days that, I submit, was better than a bunch of Obama holdovers. You are fixated on that and seem to be refractory to understanding...or you forget things easily. I understand....I can be forgetful at times myself. Actually, you need to go back and review the WaPo and NYT headlines from a month or so ago. You keep talking about not wanting to fight with me, but you sure seem to be enjoying doing something you don't want to do. I'm going to answer your last question with a question. Did you really watch today's Q&A? What's your takeaway? I understood what Trump was saying. I highly doubt you did.
I think there is a lot of intense discussion in the White House. Trump is eager to open things up again.
I think and I hope we will be armed with more certainty as the data accumulates.
Here’s my guess....subject to change as facts emerge, of course:
We will see an easing of restrictions while strict distancing or even some isolation of those most vulnerable takes place. The mortality risk is low amongst those of working age. We can accept the much lower risk, while freeing up the working folks and businesses. I think the mortality risk in HEALTHY people younger than 65 will be closer to seasonal flu. They will soon be freed up. The vulnerable will be closely guarded.
This is not meant to say that the measures put into place were unnecessary. They really were. Again, like Trump says, we’ll have to wait and see. For some reason I feel more optimistic. Trump realizes we need to find a way to balance the need to protect the vulnerable, while allowing the productive, healthy workers to get back to work....obviously in so doing, accepting a certain number of healthy people catch COVID19, among whom very few become seriously ill. Remember, this is a "NOVEL" virus....we didn't know anything about the behavior of this virus and the disease. We know a LOT more now and have mounting data and we are getting closer to using certain drug regimens.
Trump said we have to be sure the "treatment isn't worse than the disease". I understand what he's saying. Economic collapse can take a toll in human lives as well, big time. They are working toward a balance. That's my take on it today. | |
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Location: My happy place | Bear - 2020-03-23 10:41 PM
Palopony - 2020-03-23 8:23 PM
You know Dr Bear I have read a lot and you can insult and bash the democrats, liberals, news and anyone who thinks different than you I don't care.
My husband heard it on sirus radio if I had to guess, and I had read the Q & A over my morning coffee. So I have no idea but he sure was missing at the press conference they said he had better things to do. I'm sure he does. I think now that his SIL is on the team and has been studying we are in trouble.
I think it's wonderful he has assembled a great team probably a beautiful team, I just think if he left the one they had in place we may have been ahead of this mess. Would have been such a plus for him, if not he could have blamed Obama...... but he has already.
I do believe on March 15, when I first posted the right wing media and most of you said it was a hoax.
For many people I really don't think it will be an issue. I mentioned before after traveling to Yellowstone and MT, WY, SD, ND and all I heard on the radio was FOX News. I truly understand why you feel the way many of you do.
Don't really wish to fight with you, sad we agree on many issues. As for Joe Biden he is not my choice, I keep hoping for a better selection. Discussing with a friend about his not being more vocal. IMO I think it would take attention away from the Governor's right now and they need all the help and attention they can get. I think it would be selfish and a distraction at a time like this. JMO
So Dr. Bear I have a question for you........ Trump wants to put everyone back to work and it seems Dr. Fauci seems to think we should stay put.
What is your opinion on who is right?
We could discuss and maybe learn something or name call each others sources or just watch and see how it all plays out. Which is my plan everyone please stay safe as you can.
Excellent question, but first I want to point out some errors and make some remarks about your last response. You say repeatedly when I "insult" liberal Democrats, and the media, but I guess it's OK for you to throw your own insults. Here's a little FYI, I will always criticize liberal Democrats when I feel they are wrong. You can keep protesting (while at the same time saying you don't care) as much as you want. I don't really care. Yet you keep throwing out nasty libtard type comments in every post.
So, your husband's source for saying he heard Trump is going to fire Dr Fauci was Sirius radio. Howard Stern, perhaps? No he hates him. I'm unaware of any trustworthy source to substantiate that rumor. Did you watch the video I posted? Did he sound like someone within a whisker of being fired? He seems to be the only one willing to say what he thinks IMO No, I don't think so either. So you watched the Q&A? Evidently you don't remember it. Fauci was busy with a team meeting. He is working his ass off and it is senseless to march him out for 2 hours every day, just to have 10-15 minutes at the podium. Several members were missing, in fact. Several times I have explained that the Coronavirus response team has functioned better than the team that was in place. He assembled a talented team within a couple days that, I submit, was better than a bunch of Obama holdovers. You are fixated on that and seem to be refractory to understanding...or you forget things easily. I understand....I can be forgetful at times myself. Honestly is was just got in the door chit chat never said it was a fact. How many of those very good people have been fired or sent to jail since he has been in? He changes cabinet members constantly and fails to fill positions.
Actually, you need to go back and review the WaPo and NYT headlines from a month or so ago. I read all the time but I was on vacation the last 2 weeks of Feb with no news.
You keep talking about not wanting to fight with me, but you sure seem to be enjoying doing something you don't want to do. I'm stuck at home and semi retired, I would think you would have better things to do or provide more useful information.
I'm going to answer your last question with a question. Did you really watch today's Q&A? What's your takeaway? I understood what Trump was saying. I highly doubt you did. I didn't watch the link but I watched his press conference today. You seem to think any link I post is slanted and don't bother to read, if it was clickable I would have. I have followed Dr Fauci since the beginning. I also already read FOX News too. I honestly PRAY he is still there.
I think there is a lot of intense discussion in the White House. Trump is eager to open things up again. I understand who wouldn't be. I still think he is worried more about money than people. He was gazing at the floor when they would ask the lady medical questions. I think he misses his campaign rallies myself.
I think and I hope we will be armed with more certainty as the data accumulates. I agree but to me the number look really scary and the fact that people can spread it without knowing it bothers me unless you can test everyone.
Here’s my guess....subject to change as facts emerge, of course: Thanks for sharing it does seem to change everyday.
We will see an easing of restrictions while strict distancing or even some isolation of those most vulnerable takes place. The mortality risk is low amongst those of working age. We can accept the much lower risk, while freeing up the working folks and businesses. I think the mortality risk in HEALTHY people younger than 65 will be closer to seasonal flu. They will soon be freed up. The vulnerable will be closely guarded. I hope your right but a 12 year old girl on a vent in GA with no prexisting conditions has me concerned.
This is not meant to say that the measures put into place were unnecessary. They really were. Again, like Trump says, we’ll have to wait and see. For some reason I feel more optimistic. Trump realizes we need to find a way to balance the need to protect the vulnerable, while allowing the productive, healthy workers to get back to work....obviously in so doing, accepting a certain number of healthy people catch COVID19, among whom very few become seriously ill. Remember, this is a "NOVEL" virus....we didn't know anything about the behavior of this virus and the disease. We know a LOT more now and have mounting data and we are getting closer to using certain drug regimens.
Trump said we have to be sure the "treatment isn't worse than the disease". I understand what he's saying. Economic collapse can take a toll in human lives as well, big time. They are working toward a balance. That's my take on it today.
I have been following this since 3/10 when the numbers looked like this:
March 10, Today
USA 800 cases 28 Deaths 46,116 579 Deaths 1040 Critical (was at 64 forever)
Italy 10,149 cases 631 63,927 2091 Deaths 3040 Critical
South Korea 7513 don't know 9037 120 Deaths 59
Canada 79 don't know 2091 24 Deaths 1
China 80,757 3000 guessing 81,171 3277 Deaths on 3/15 it was 3213
I posted this not to prove anything but to show you what I have been watching and why I think what I do. You all have every right to believe whatever you want just don't make fun of what I think. I have watched this president for a long time. I love this you can trust him all you want. I will watch and think of ways to help.
At his daily coronavirus press briefing, President Donald Trump was asked to justify the provision in the Republican stimulus bill that would grant his administration an unrestricted $500 billion slush fund to be distributed to any corporation imaginable with zero oversight or transparency.
His response was that he would be the entire oversight of the program.
Who was is that said I brought a knife to a gun fight? I just tried to tell it like I see it.
I think if President Trump told some of you to go lick the faces of someone COVID19 positive because it would build up immunity some of you would be doing it.
 
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Palopony it's really a waste of time posting the Covid19 stats on here. By the time you're done typing, they have changed. Literally everyone knows where to look up those numbers. My main point yesterday was that my impression is things are changing daily, including the direction we're heading. The reason is because with each passing day more and more data accumulates. We did need to basically hunker down because we weren't sure how this virus would behave. Now I think this team is putting together some consensus about how we can get back to work, while still preserving protection for the vulnerable.
Scientists aren't economists, and economists sometimes aren't very business savvy. We have a pragmatist in the White House whose challenge it is to move things along because he knows that a prolonged shut down could end up being more deadly than Covid19 itself, in the long run. I think Trump is eager to get things moving again.....we all are.
I'm just glad Trump is where he is, and I shudder to think of Joe Biden in his place. Did anyone get a chance to see Joe Biden's Covid19 conference from his home in Delaware? I actually felt like crying for the poor fella. He was so lost and struggled so hard to say something coherent. He's really going downhill, and I don't know if he'll even make it to the convention. Like anyone with his condition, there will be good days and there will be bad days. I hope someone intervenes on his behalf. Democrats have a real dilemma on their hands. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Scott ..... Did you see the report that they found the virus on the Princess cruise ship 17 days after everyone was evacuated. What do you think? Could it possibly have lived that long OR ..... or could it have been someone from the "clean-up" crew (which, I assume, they are doing) ? edited to add: OOPS! I just realized that we had the discussion on another thread .... too many threads going for me to keep up .... LOL
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Cases in U.S.- Total cases: 33,404
- Total deaths: 400
- Jurisdictions reporting cases: 54 (50 states, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, and US Virgin Islands)
* Data include both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 reported to CDC or tested at CDC since January 21, 2020, with the exception of testing results for persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and Japan. State and local public health departments are now testing and publicly reporting their cases. In the event of a discrepancy between CDC cases and cases reported by state and local public health officials, data reported by states should be considered the most up to date. * Data include both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 reported to CDC or tested at CDC since January 21, 2020, with the exception of testing results for persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and Japan. State and local public health departments are now testing and publicly reporting their cases. In the event of a discrepancy between CDC cases and cases reported by state and local public health officials, data reported by states should be considered the most up to date. † CDC is no longer reporting the number of persons under investigation (PUIs) that have been tested, as well as PUIs that have tested negative. Now that states are testing and reporting their own results, CDC’s numbers are not representative of all testing being done nationwide. * Data include both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 reported to CDC or tested at CDC since January 21, 2020, with the exception of testing results for persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and Japan. State and local public health departments are now testing and publicly reporting their cases. In the event of a discrepancy between CDC cases and cases reported by state and local public health officials, data reported by states should be considered the most up to date. †Self-reported by health department characterizing the level of community transmission in their jurisdiction as: “Yes, widespread” (defined as: widespread community transmission across several geographical areas); “Yes, defined area(s)” (defined as: distinct clusters of cases in a, or a few, defined geographical area(s)); “Undetermined” (defined as: 1 or more cases but not classified as “Yes” to community transmission); or “N/A” (defined as: no cases). COVID-19: Cases among Persons Repatriated to the United States†| | Positive |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | NJJ - 2020-03-24 9:43 AM
Scott ..... Did you see the report that they found the virus on the Princess cruise ship 17 days after everyone was evacuated. What do you think? Could it possibly have lived that long OR ..... or could it have been someone from the "clean-up" crew (which, I assume, they are doing) ?
edited to add: OOPS! I just realized that we had the discussion on another thread .... too many threads going for me to keep up .... LOL
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | OregonBR - 2020-03-24 9:44 AM This page will be updated regularly at noon Mondays through Fridays. Numbers close out at 4 p.m. the day before reporting. I will point out AGAIN.... those numbers are OUT OF DATE ...... On Monday (23rd) ...... they posted the numbers from SUNDAY (22nd at 4 PM) Now you figure out how many hours have passed !!!
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OregonBR - 2020-03-24 9:44 AM
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I will point out AGAIN.... those numbers are OUT OF DATE ...... On Monday (23rd) ...... they posted the numbers from SUNDAY (22nd at 4 PM) Now you figure out how many hours have passed !!!
So? There will never be anything that is up to the minute. If you think so, you are not so familiar with facts. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | NJJ - 2020-03-24 9:43 AM
Scott ..... Did you see the report that they found the virus on the Princess cruise ship 17 days after everyone was evacuated. What do you think? Could it possibly have lived that long OR ..... or could it have been someone from the "clean-up" crew (which, I assume, they are doing) ?
edited to add: OOPS! I just realized that we had the discussion on another thread .... too many threads going for me to keep up .... LOL
No, I didn't see that. My first reaction is to think that's an oddity. I can't explain it, if it's true, because the Covid19 virus has been well studied when it comes to how long it can live on surfaces. The New England Journal of Medicine published a recent study on this. I think I may have posted a link somewhere here, on one of these threads, or else maybe it was on FB. From that study, I believe the longest it can survive on hard surfaces is 3 days, tops. Yes, of course, it could certainly have come from someone in the cleanup crew. All those cruise ships from Asian cruises should be autoclaved. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | NJJ - 2020-03-24 10:04 AM
OregonBR - 2020-03-24 9:44 AM
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I will point out AGAIN.... those numbers are OUT OF DATE ...... On Monday (23rd) ...... they posted the numbers from SUNDAY (22nd at 4 PM) Now you figure out how many hours have passed !!!
Norma, she posted this so people can click on a link. Now everyone knows where to go for the updated numbers. Over the past few days I've noticed that the mortality rate seems to be holding right around 1.2%. I think the real number is going to be quite a bit lower than that.
As far as I'm concerned, the key number to know would be the mortality rate if we exclude people over 65. If we could somehow do a reasonable job of keeping those high risk people protected and isolated, while accepting a mortality risk of the rest that is acceptable (ie: more in line with influenza), then a plan could be put in place to get America back to work. I can tell that is how Trump is thinking right about now. Behind the scenes, I think he is working on a consensus....prodding and coaxing. I betcha anything. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2020-03-24 10:45 AM
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This page will be updated regularly at noon Mondays through Fridays. Numbers close out at 4 p.m. the day before reporting.
I will point out AGAIN.... those numbers are OUT OF DATE ...... On Monday (23rd) ...... they posted the numbers from SUNDAY (22nd at 4 PM) Now you figure out how many hours have passed !!!
Norma, she posted this so people can click on a link. Now everyone knows where to go for the updated numbers. Over the past few days I've noticed that the mortality rate seems to be holding right around 1.2%. I think the real number is going to be quite a bit lower than that.
As far as I'm concerned, the key number to know would be the mortality rate if we exclude people over 65. If we could somehow do a reasonable job of keeping those high risk people protected and isolated, while accepting a mortality risk of the rest that is acceptable (ie: more in line with influenza), then a plan could be put in place to get America back to work. I can tell that is how Trump is thinking right about now. Behind the scenes, I think he is working on a consensus....prodding and coaxing. I betcha anything.
Why? Those numbers are out of date ..... Proof ...... Arkansas (CDC) numbers ON that link Arkansas 197 REAL time ..... 206 confirmed positive cases of COVID-19 in Arkansas | |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | NJJ - 2020-03-24 9:07 AM
Bear - 2020-03-24 10:45 AM
NJJ - 2020-03-24 10:04 AM
OregonBR - 2020-03-24 9:44 AM
This page will be updated regularly at noon Mondays through Fridays. Numbers close out at 4 p.m. the day before reporting.
I will point out AGAIN.... those numbers are OUT OF DATE ...... On Monday (23rd) ...... they posted the numbers from SUNDAY (22nd at 4 PM) Now you figure out how many hours have passed !!!
Norma, she posted this so people can click on a link. Now everyone knows where to go for the updated numbers. Over the past few days I've noticed that the mortality rate seems to be holding right around 1.2%. I think the real number is going to be quite a bit lower than that.
As far as I'm concerned, the key number to know would be the mortality rate if we exclude people over 65. If we could somehow do a reasonable job of keeping those high risk people protected and isolated, while accepting a mortality risk of the rest that is acceptable (ie: more in line with influenza), then a plan could be put in place to get America back to work. I can tell that is how Trump is thinking right about now. Behind the scenes, I think he is working on a consensus....prodding and coaxing. I betcha anything.
Why? Those numbers are out of date .....
Proof ...... Arkansas (CDC) numbers ON that link
Arkansas 197
REAL time .....
206 confirmed positive cases of COVID-19 in Arkansas
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | NJJ just so you know. I have put you on ignore. You bring nothing valid or new to the discussion. Just harrass people who do. Have a nice life.  | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | OregonBR - 2020-03-24 11:14 AM NJJ - 2020-03-24 9:07 AM Bear - 2020-03-24 10:45 AM NJJ - 2020-03-24 10:04 AM OregonBR - 2020-03-24 9:44 AM This page will be updated regularly at noon Mondays through Fridays. Numbers close out at 4 p.m. the day before reporting. I will point out AGAIN.... those numbers are OUT OF DATE ...... On Monday (23rd) ...... they posted the numbers from SUNDAY (22nd at 4 PM) Now you figure out how many hours have passed !!! Norma, she posted this so people can click on a link. Now everyone knows where to go for the updated numbers. Over the past few days I've noticed that the mortality rate seems to be holding right around 1.2%. I think the real number is going to be quite a bit lower than that.
As far as I'm concerned, the key number to know would be the mortality rate if we exclude people over 65. If we could somehow do a reasonable job of keeping those high risk people protected and isolated, while accepting a mortality risk of the rest that is acceptable (ie: more in line with influenza), then a plan could be put in place to get America back to work. I can tell that is how Trump is thinking right about now. Behind the scenes, I think he is working on a consensus....prodding and coaxing. I betcha anything. Why? Those numbers are out of date ..... Proof ...... Arkansas (CDC) numbers ON that link Arkansas 197 REAL time ..... 206 confirmed positive cases of COVID-19 in Arkansas How do YOU know those are real time? Compiling data isn't instant. Since she has me on "ignore" ....LOL ..... she won't see that MY information comes from the state itself ....NOT 2 days later from the CDC ..... but then again.....she continues to post crap day in and day out .... I am sure her next post will be something from Dan BamBoozle ..... Bye ....bye ......
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/03/20/sars-cov-2-survive-on-surfaces/?fbclid=IwAR0D4s8NGYfAv_Z8ztT-3PQh3qh4H1Q8UDWiRr1FxaZ8G72hBj5jNxOJ8lM Q+A HOW LONG CAN THE VIRUS THAT CAUSES COVID-19 LIVE ON SURFACES?Carolyn Machamer, a cell biologist who specializes in coronaviruses, discusses the latest research on the virus that causes COVID-19BySamuel Volkin / Published March 20According to a recent study published in the New England Journal of Medicine, SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, can live in the air and on surfaces between several hours and several days. The study found that the virus is viable for up to 72 hours on plastics, 48 hours on stainless steel, 24 hours on cardboard, and 4 hours on copper. It is also detectable in the air for three hours. Carolyn Machamer, a professor of cell biology whose lab at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine has studied the basic biology of coronaviruses for years, joined Johns Hopkins MPH/MBA candidate Samuel Volkin for a brief discussion of these findings and what they mean for efforts to protect against spread of the virus. The conversation has been edited for length and clarity. Volkin: According to this report, it sounds like the COVID-19 virus is potentially living on surfaces for days. How worried should we be about our risk of becoming infected simply by touching something an infected person was in contact with days ago?Machamer: What's getting a lot of press and is presented out of context is that the virus can last on plastic for 72 hours—which sounds really scary. But what's more important is the amount of the virus that remains. It's less than 0.1% of the starting virus material. Infection is theoretically possible but unlikely at the levels remaining after a few days. People need to know this. WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW Resources and updates for the Johns Hopkins community, including travel guidance, information on university operations, and tips for preventing the spread of illness While the New England Journal of Medicine study found that the COVID virus can be detected in the air for 3 hours, in nature, respiratory droplets sink to the ground faster than the aerosols produced in this study. The experimental aerosols used in labs are smaller than what comes out of a cough or sneeze, so they remain in the air at face-level longer than heavier particles would in nature. What is the best way I can protect myself, knowing that the virus that causes COVID-19 lives on surfaces?You are more likely to catch the infection through the air if you are next to someone infected than off of a surface. Cleaning surfaces with disinfectant or soap is very effective because once the oily surface coat of the virus is disabled, there is no way the virus can infect a host cell. However, there cannot be an overabundance of caution. Nothing like this has ever happened before. The CDC guidelines on how to protect yourself include: - Clean and disinfect surfaces that many people come in contact with. These include tables, doorknobs, light switches, countertops, handles, desks, phones, keyboards, toilets, faucets, and sinks. Avoid touching high-contact surfaces in public.
- Wash your hands often with soap and water for at least 20 seconds immediately when you return home from a public place such as the bank or grocery store.
- When in a public space, put a distance of six feet between yourself and others.
- Most importantly, stay home if you are sick and contact your doctor.
There has been speculation that once the summer season arrives and the weather warms up, the virus won't survive, but we don't yet know if that is true. Does the weather or indoor temperature affect the survival of the COVID-19 virus on surfaces?Coverage of how the COVID-19 pandemic is affecting operations at JHU and how Hopkins experts and scientists are responding to the outbreak There is no evidence one way or the other. The virus's viability in exposure to heat or cold has not been studied. But it does bear pointing out that the New England Journal of Medicine study was performed at about room temperature, 21-23 degrees Celsius. How does the virus that causes COVID-19 compare with other coronaviruses, and why are we seeing so many more cases?SARS-CoV-2 behaves like a typical respiratory coronavirus in the basic mechanisms of infection and replication. But several mutations allow it to bind tighter to its host receptor and increase its transmissibility, which is thought to make it more infectious. The New England Journal of Medicine study suggests that the stability of SARS-CoV-2 is very similar to that of SARS-CoV1, the virus that caused the 2002-2003 SARS global outbreak. But, researchers believe people can carry high viral loads of the SARS-CoV-2 in the upper respiratory tract without recognizing any symptoms, allowing them to shed and transmit the virus while asymptomatic.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | NJJ - 2020-03-24 11:25 AM
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This page will be updated regularly at noon Mondays through Fridays. Numbers close out at 4 p.m. the day before reporting.
I will point out AGAIN.... those numbers are OUT OF DATE ...... On Monday (23rd) ...... they posted the numbers from SUNDAY (22nd at 4 PM) Now you figure out how many hours have passed !!!
Norma, she posted this so people can click on a link. Now everyone knows where to go for the updated numbers. Over the past few days I've noticed that the mortality rate seems to be holding right around 1.2%. I think the real number is going to be quite a bit lower than that.
As far as I'm concerned, the key number to know would be the mortality rate if we exclude people over 65. If we could somehow do a reasonable job of keeping those high risk people protected and isolated, while accepting a mortality risk of the rest that is acceptable (ie: more in line with influenza), then a plan could be put in place to get America back to work. I can tell that is how Trump is thinking right about now. Behind the scenes, I think he is working on a consensus....prodding and coaxing. I betcha anything.
Why? Those numbers are out of date .....
Proof ...... Arkansas (CDC) numbers ON that link
Arkansas 197
REAL time .....
206 confirmed positive cases of COVID-19 in Arkansas
How do YOU know those are real time? Compiling data isn't instant.
Since she has me on "ignore" ....LOL ..... she won't see that MY information comes from the state itself ....NOT 2 days later from the CDC ..... but then again.....she continues to post crap day in and day out .... I am sure her next post will be something from Dan BamBoozle ..... Bye ....bye ......
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Location: My happy place | I didn't post those numbers to show anything other than that I have been watching it since 3/10 and paying attention, while many said it was a hoax. All while complaining it was the Democratic Mayor of Houston that spoiled the Rodeo for everyone over politics because he's a libtard, according to many. For no other reason than it scares me. You guys can believe whatever you want, welcome to America. I just watched Cuomo give a wonderful press conference and answer questions like an adult, he's really mad now not telling you how great the President is doing now. Look up why me's mad, or listen. He sounded to me like someone in charge and trying to do something. I am now watching Pence on Fox and sure wishing he sounded as smart as Cuomo. I'm really glad the President is hopeful. insert eye roll. I will just sit back and watch myself. Something else my husband said (he heard on talk radio) keep in mind at one time he thought Trump would do a good job. I may want Dr Faunci to get fired by Trump now........... I hear he is an old friend of the Cuomo family. Bet he is scared to fire him now because I think he's the type guy who would tell the truth to protect the people. JMO Can't wait to listen President Trump soon.\ ETA: Back in the old days they got real mad over cut and paste. I believe I was called lazy for that a few times. Truth is I am, way easier than typing the then grammar nazis used to come out and attack over that too. Oh the good old days. Just so you know I'm old don't care and can't spell. My brain goes faster than my fingers a lot too.
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