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yellowhorse1
Reg. Oct 2006
Posted 2013-12-17 11:04 AM
Subject: RE: NFR in FlORIDA?!




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Of course Im sure the PRCA will have stipultations on them that they cannot compete in both... There have already been talks of the NFR card.   

 This will get them sued.  It's already happened once.  "The Right to Work"....

Pretty sure there is at least one lawyer just waiting for the chance. 

 

I disagree with you. There are ways you can put restrictions on your members. The PBR is a prime example, they have a "non compete" clause. They don't restrict their members from participating in other events, but if competing in another event conflicts with them competing at a PBR event, then yes they do pay consequences. I am not sure how many events they have to set out. So yes, the PRCA can put in a "non compete" clause that would be totally legal and not interfere with the Right to Work law.

Prca Rodeo is set up totally different than PBR. You can't really compare the two and I'm sure that would apply legally.

Yeah, I am sure your right This coming from the person that thought Sherry was "playing it safe". Sorry but I think you expertise about rodeo has came from what you have seen from the view from your couch

Haha o you are the witty one! Do you even know how the pro tour or the qualifiers of the PBR is set up??? If so please enlighten us, genius? Before you spout any more of your ignorance for all the world to see.

Sweetie I can't even begin to compete with you on "ignorant statements" for the week.

O, I think you have shown yourself more than up to the task on this thread and several others here lately......hence your deflection from elaborating on your knowledge of how the PBR operates in comparison as to the PRCA.
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kboltwkreations - 2013-12-17 10:29 AM The man behind SouthPoint weighs in...

Of course he is on the LVE board so we know whos side he is on.

 
http://m.reviewjournal.com/columns-blogs/ed-graney/gaughan-confident-rodeo-can-thrive-here-without-nfr
Two observations. 1. If they are going to have to "spend alot of money" then why aren't they willing to spend what it takes to keep the NFR? 2. This guy really looks like he into the "rodeo/cowboy" lifestyle....soparanoes probably more his cup of tea.

That actually was my thought. (#1)
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Posted 2013-12-17 11:07 AM
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Interesting facts from the Las Vegas Sun newspaper:
 

Las Vegas Events President Pat Christenson speaks during a press conference announcing his induction into the Southern Nevada Sports Hall of Fame on Tuesday, March 19, 2013.

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Members of the Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association and tourism officials in Las Vegas have been working together for years. Twenty nine, to be exact.

But what unfolded Sunday afternoon regarding the future of the Wrangler National Finals Rodeo was a chasm of communication befitting people who had never spoken to one another, let alone shared the same rodeo ring for three decades.

The latest on this astonishing go-round between Las Vegas and its longtime rodeo partner: Las Vegas Events reps have cut off negotiations with the PRCA before any formal contract has been signed to actually move the WNFR out of Las Vegas after 2014.

As LVE officials have stated, there are compelling reasons Las Vegas is finished negotiating (their long-standing offer having been turned back), but the move has left the head of the PRCA saying, in effect, “Hold on there, cowboy.”

On Sunday afternoon, the nine-member PRCA Board of Directors voted to reject the offer made by LVE to return the WNFR to the Thomas & Mack Center after the current contract times out. The vote was 6-3 against the LVE proposal.

During that PRCA meeting, way across the country, the Osceola County (Fla.) Commission met to approve something known as a memorandum of understanding. That vote authorized a formal offer to move the WNFR to Florida beginning in 2015, the year after the current contract in Las Vegas ends.

PRCA board members were reportedly watching, certainly with keen interest, a live video stream of the session from Florida. That vote, held in a rare Sunday session of the Osceola County Commission in Kissimmee, Fla., was 5-0. The decision now allows 90 days for the two sides to hammer out an agreement that would make a new, 24,000-seat arena the home of the WNFR for 20 years beginning in 2016 (the event would be held at Amway Arena, home of the Orlando Magic, in 2015).

In keeping with the oft-confusing nature of the WNFR contract negotiations, the information made public during that meeting was surprising to even Florida residents. Plans for the $100 million arena to be built at Gaylord Palms Resort and Convention Center in Kissimmee were not even made public until Sunday’s meeting.

Minutes after the unanimous vote out of Florida, PRCA Chairman Keith Martin called South Point owner and National Finals Rodeo Committee member Michael Gaughan and told him the result of the day’s sweeping activities. Gaughan then contacted LVE President Pat Christenson, whose organization has been waiting a year and a half for a vote on its current contract offer to extend the rodeo’s stay in Las Vegas by another decade.

Christenson was unaware up until midweek that the PRCA even had planned a vote and was not privy to the events in Florida until Sunday.

Suffice to say, Christenson and his fellow Las Vegas officials had grown restless and were already mapping out a strategy for a new rodeo event to supplant the WNFR if a deal with the PRCA could not be reached. Understanding that the PRCA had rejected its offer and was pursuing a more lucrative (by $4 million) proposal from the Florida county that is home to Orlando and its PRCA-sanctioned Silver Spurs Rodeo, LVE issued a statement effectively announcing the end of its partnership with the PRCA after the 2014 WNFR.

“The way it was explained to me was the PRCA Board had reviewed our offer and voted against it,” Christenson said this afternoon. “They were in negotiations with the Florida county. We gave them an offer to extend and they rejected it.”

Given the long lag since making its original offer — which Christenson has said is $15 million when totaling the entire operating cost of staging the rodeo and peripheral events — LVE was ready to move on.

“Our offer was on the table for 18 months, ready for a vote,” Christenson said. “We weren’t going to spend another three to four months waiting for them to decide what they were going to do while we were looking at planning for another event.”

Pretty obviously, the Las Vegas contingent is confident of filling the 10-day slot usually occupied by the WNFR with a top-notch event. It certainly has a high financial standard to meet: The 2012 WNFR generated $92.8 million in nongaming economic impact for Las Vegas.

“We’re going to have the top contestants in a 10-day event that would replace what we’re doing with the NFR,” Christenson said. “Everything that would be in the NFR would be in this and will be a major, major rodeo event.” This would be a series of shows not sanctioned by the PRCA and more in line with the American invitational rodeo set for AT&T Stadium in Dallas in March. That show is sponsored by RFD-TV and its CEO, Randy Bernard. RFD-TV broadcast from this year’s WNFR.

But over at the PRCA, all this talk of a new rodeo to replace the WNFR in Las Vegas is very premature. PRCA CEO Karl Stressman said he was “totally surprised” that his colleagues at LVE had acted so swiftly and decisively to cut off negotiations.

“Never, and I say never, was there ever any intention that this was the end of the negotiations between us and LVE,” Stressman said in a phone interview this afternoon. “I’m reading their statement in response to our vote and thinking, ‘Wow, they are in a rush to do something different.’”

Stressman said the PRCA vote was merely a decision to turn down the current set of financial figures and continue negotiations, not only with Las Vegas, but with other prospective suitors hoping to land the “Super Bowl of Rodeo.”

“Are we talking to the group in Florida? Heck yes, we are. But this does not mean we have a done deal,” Stressman said. “As I’ve said, we are, in fact, as a board of directors, looking at all viable options. (Osceola County) might not be the only option on the table.”

When asked if the PRCA had entered into a similar memorandum of understanding with any other city or county, Stressman said only, “We have had more than one interested party, as far as serious inquiries, about hosting the WNFR.”

And it is possible that some entity other than Osceola County and its fancy new stadium could work a deal to host the WNFR? Even Las Vegas could, conceivably, work its way back into the talks?

“Yes, sir. That is possible,” Stressman said. “That is correct.”

Nonetheless, Christenson is looking past 2014 and this super-sized, invitation-only rodeo.

“We didn’t deal this hand,” he said. “We’re playing it. We are ready and have an alternative plan, and we will succeed with it.”

Faced with the prospect of Las Vegas staging a WNFR-scope event to compete with his organization’s own crowning rodeo, Stressman said, “I don’t blame them for pursuing that. Rodeo is a great sport, and competition is competition, but we don’t want that to happen. I don’t think it’s necessary for us to have two rodeos.”

Stressman said that there will be a point when everyone involved in the WNFR has recovered from working 17 consecutive days and “is thinking clearly” to contact reps from LVE and figure out just what the heck happened here.

“We’ll need to find out what it is we can do and reach out to the LVE, who we’ve been in partnership with for 29 years, and talk to them again. Everybody wants to know what happened here, what went wrong.

“There’s no way we’re going to leave it the way it is.”

But what is the objective of resuming a conversation with the folks in Las Vegas? Is it to resume negotiations or just mend a fractured relationship?

“The answer to both sides of that question would be, ‘Yes,’” Stressman said. “I don’t want to be in a position for LVE to be angry with the way this has gone for the past few days. Knowing them the way I know them, I don’t think they want that, either.

“Our intention was to continue negotiations.”

Maybe the best way to sort out this squabble is to remember the simple fundamentals of team roping: one on the head, one on the heel, and, above all, know how to read your partner. Otherwise, that steer is outta here.

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TXBO
Reg. Aug 2009
Posted 2013-12-17 11:08 AM
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Of course he is on the LVE board so we know whos side he is on.

 
http://m.reviewjournal.com/columns-blogs/ed-graney/gaughan-confident-rodeo-can-thrive-here-without-nfr
Two observations. 1. If they are going to have to "spend alot of money" then why aren't they willing to spend what it takes to keep the NFR? 2. This guy really looks like he into the "rodeo/cowboy" lifestyle....soparanoes probably more his cup of tea.

That actually was my thought. (#1)

He's not trying to compete for the best cowboys. He's trying to retain the fans.
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yellowhorse1
Reg. Oct 2006
Posted 2013-12-17 11:17 AM
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kboltwkreations - 2013-12-17 10:29 AM The man behind SouthPoint weighs in...

Of course he is on the LVE board so we know whos side he is on.

 
http://m.reviewjournal.com/columns-blogs/ed-graney/gaughan-confident-rodeo-can-thrive-here-without-nfr
Two observations. 1. If they are going to have to "spend alot of money" then why aren't they willing to spend what it takes to keep the NFR? 2. This guy really looks like he into the "rodeo/cowboy" lifestyle....soparanoes probably more his cup of tea.

That actually was my thought. (#1)

He's not trying to compete for the best cowboys. He's trying to retain the fans.

Two thoughts here. Again, if they are going to spend more money why not have the best in the sport still.
And I want someone to answer this question. Names in rodeo aren't house hold names per say, but that still doesn't mean they are not figured into the equation of drawing spectators to the NFR.
I want somebody on here to tell me they honestly think you could move the UPRA finals to Vegas in the time slot the NFR occupied, even offering the same prize money, but just the top 15 currenty in the UPRA and still sell out the THOMAS and MACK for 10 nights in a row. I just can't buy that!
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Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2013-12-17 11:21 AM
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Of course Im sure the PRCA will have stipultations on them that they cannot compete in both... There have already been talks of the NFR card.   

 This will get them sued.  It's already happened once.  "The Right to Work"....

Pretty sure there is at least one lawyer just waiting for the chance. 

 

I disagree with you. There are ways you can put restrictions on your members. The PBR is a prime example, they have a "non compete" clause. They don't restrict their members from participating in other events, but if competing in another event conflicts with them competing at a PBR event, then yes they do pay consequences. I am not sure how many events they have to set out. So yes, the PRCA can put in a "non compete" clause that would be totally legal and not interfere with the Right to Work law.

Prca Rodeo is set up totally different than PBR. You can't really compare the two and I'm sure that would apply legally.

Yeah, I am sure your right This coming from the person that thought Sherry was "playing it safe". Sorry but I think you expertise about rodeo has came from what you have seen from the view from your couch

Haha o you are the witty one! Do you even know how the pro tour or the qualifiers of the PBR is set up??? If so please enlighten us, genius? Before you spout any more of your ignorance for all the world to see.

Sweetie I can't even begin to compete with you on "ignorant statements" for the week.

O, I think you have shown yourself more than up to the task on this thread and several others here lately......hence your deflection from elaborating on your knowledge of how the PBR operates in comparison as to the PRCA.

No, no, you seem to be the expert on everything, who am I to question any of your ultimate wisdom. But, I might be depending on a family member who has 11 years of NFR experience to probably know just an itty bitty more then you. But I could be wrong, that couch of yours probably has more knowledge
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Reg. Oct 2006
Posted 2013-12-17 11:30 AM
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Of course Im sure the PRCA will have stipultations on them that they cannot compete in both... There have already been talks of the NFR card.   

 This will get them sued.  It's already happened once.  "The Right to Work"....

Pretty sure there is at least one lawyer just waiting for the chance. 

 

I disagree with you. There are ways you can put restrictions on your members. The PBR is a prime example, they have a "non compete" clause. They don't restrict their members from participating in other events, but if competing in another event conflicts with them competing at a PBR event, then yes they do pay consequences. I am not sure how many events they have to set out. So yes, the PRCA can put in a "non compete" clause that would be totally legal and not interfere with the Right to Work law.

Prca Rodeo is set up totally different than PBR. You can't really compare the two and I'm sure that would apply legally.

Yeah, I am sure your right This coming from the person that thought Sherry was "playing it safe". Sorry but I think you expertise about rodeo has came from what you have seen from the view from your couch

Haha o you are the witty one! Do you even know how the pro tour or the qualifiers of the PBR is set up??? If so please enlighten us, genius? Before you spout any more of your ignorance for all the world to see.

Sweetie I can't even begin to compete with you on "ignorant statements" for the week.

O, I think you have shown yourself more than up to the task on this thread and several others here lately......hence your deflection from elaborating on your knowledge of how the PBR operates in comparison as to the PRCA.

No, no, you seem to be the expert on everything, who am I to question any of your ultimate wisdom. But, I might be depending on a family member who has 11 years of NFR experience to probably know just an itty bitty more then you. But I could be wrong, that couch of yours probably has more knowledge

Who is the family member? And how does your being related to a NFR qualifier make you a expert on the PBR? Lol or the PRCA for that matter?
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Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2013-12-17 11:35 AM
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Of course Im sure the PRCA will have stipultations on them that they cannot compete in both... There have already been talks of the NFR card.   
 This will get them sued.  It's already happened once.  "The Right to Work"....



Pretty sure there is at least one lawyer just waiting for the chance. 


 
I disagree with you. There are ways you can put restrictions on your members. The PBR is a prime example, they have a "non compete" clause. They don't restrict their members from participating in other events, but if competing in another event conflicts with them competing at a PBR event, then yes they do pay consequences. I am not sure how many events they have to set out. So yes, the PRCA can put in a "non compete" clause that would be totally legal and not interfere with the Right to Work law.
Prca Rodeo is set up totally different than PBR. You can't really compare the two and I'm sure that would apply legally.
Yeah, I am sure your right This coming from the person that thought Sherry was "playing it safe". Sorry but I think you expertise about rodeo has came from what you have seen from the view from your couch
Haha o you are the witty one! Do you even know how the pro tour or the qualifiers of the PBR is set up??? If so please enlighten us, genius? Before you spout any more of your ignorance for all the world to see.
Sweetie I can't even begin to compete with you on "ignorant statements" for the week.
O, I think you have shown yourself more than up to the task on this thread and several others here lately......hence your deflection from elaborating on your knowledge of how the PBR operates in comparison as to the PRCA.
No, no, you seem to be the expert on everything, who am I to question any of your ultimate wisdom. But, I might be depending on a family member who has 11 years of NFR experience to probably know just an itty bitty more then you. But I could be wrong, that couch of yours probably has more knowledge

C'mon folks!  This doesn't have to become a pizzing contest.  It's a good thread.....why ruin it?
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ride n slide - 2013-12-17 11:07 AM Interesting facts from the Las Vegas Sun newspaper:

 





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Las Vegas Events President Pat Christenson speaks during a press conference announcing his induction into the Southern Nevada Sports Hall of Fame on Tuesday, March 19, 2013.







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Members of the Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association and tourism officials in Las Vegas have been working together for years. Twenty nine, to be exact.









But what unfolded Sunday afternoon regarding the future of the Wrangler National Finals Rodeo was a chasm of communication befitting people who had never spoken to one another, let alone shared the same rodeo ring for three decades.



The latest on this astonishing go-round between Las Vegas and its longtime rodeo partner: Las Vegas Events reps have cut off negotiations with the PRCA before any formal contract has been signed to actually move the WNFR out of Las Vegas after 2014.



As LVE officials have stated, there are compelling reasons Las Vegas is finished negotiating (their long-standing offer having been turned back), but the move has left the head of the PRCA saying, in effect, “Hold on there, cowboy.”



On Sunday afternoon, the nine-member PRCA Board of Directors voted to reject the offer made by LVE to return the WNFR to the Thomas & Mack Center after the current contract times out. The vote was 6-3 against the LVE proposal.



During that PRCA meeting, way across the country, the Osceola County (Fla.) Commission met to approve something known as a memorandum of understanding. That vote authorized a formal offer to move the WNFR to Florida beginning in 2015, the year after the current contract in Las Vegas ends.



PRCA board members were reportedly watching, certainly with keen interest, a live video stream of the session from Florida. That vote, held in a rare Sunday session of the Osceola County Commission in Kissimmee, Fla., was 5-0. The decision now allows 90 days for the two sides to hammer out an agreement that would make a new, 24,000-seat arena the home of the WNFR for 20 years beginning in 2016 (the event would be held at Amway Arena, home of the Orlando Magic, in 2015).



In keeping with the oft-confusing nature of the WNFR contract negotiations, the information made public during that meeting was surprising to even Florida residents. Plans for the $100 million arena to be built at Gaylord Palms Resort and Convention Center in Kissimmee were not even made public until Sunday’s meeting.



Minutes after the unanimous vote out of Florida, PRCA Chairman Keith Martin called South Point owner and National Finals Rodeo Committee member Michael Gaughan and told him the result of the day’s sweeping activities. Gaughan then contacted LVE President Pat Christenson, whose organization has been waiting a year and a half for a vote on its current contract offer to extend the rodeo’s stay in Las Vegas by another decade.



Christenson was unaware up until midweek that the PRCA even had planned a vote and was not privy to the events in Florida until Sunday.



Suffice to say, Christenson and his fellow Las Vegas officials had grown restless and were already mapping out a strategy for a new rodeo event to supplant the WNFR if a deal with the PRCA could not be reached. Understanding that the PRCA had rejected its offer and was pursuing a more lucrative (by $4 million) proposal from the Florida county that is home to Orlando and its PRCA-sanctioned Silver Spurs Rodeo, LVE issued a statement effectively announcing the end of its partnership with the PRCA after the 2014 WNFR.



“The way it was explained to me was the PRCA Board had reviewed our offer and voted against it,” Christenson said this afternoon. “They were in negotiations with the Florida county. We gave them an offer to extend and they rejected it.”



Given the long lag since making its original offer — which Christenson has said is $15 million when totaling the entire operating cost of staging the rodeo and peripheral events — LVE was ready to move on.



“Our offer was on the table for 18 months, ready for a vote,” Christenson said. “We weren’t going to spend another three to four months waiting for them to decide what they were going to do while we were looking at planning for another event.”



Pretty obviously, the Las Vegas contingent is confident of filling the 10-day slot usually occupied by the WNFR with a top-notch event. It certainly has a high financial standard to meet: The 2012 WNFR generated $92.8 million in nongaming economic impact for Las Vegas.



“We’re going to have the top contestants in a 10-day event that would replace what we’re doing with the NFR,” Christenson said. “Everything that would be in the NFR would be in this and will be a major, major rodeo event.” This would be a series of shows not sanctioned by the PRCA and more in line with the American invitational rodeo set for AT&T Stadium in Dallas in March. That show is sponsored by RFD-TV and its CEO, Randy Bernard. RFD-TV broadcast from this year’s WNFR.



But over at the PRCA, all this talk of a new rodeo to replace the WNFR in Las Vegas is very premature. PRCA CEO Karl Stressman said he was “totally surprised” that his colleagues at LVE had acted so swiftly and decisively to cut off negotiations.



“Never, and I say never, was there ever any intention that this was the end of the negotiations between us and LVE,” Stressman said in a phone interview this afternoon. “I’m reading their statement in response to our vote and thinking, ‘Wow, they are in a rush to do something different.’”



Stressman said the PRCA vote was merely a decision to turn down the current set of financial figures and continue negotiations, not only with Las Vegas, but with other prospective suitors hoping to land the “Super Bowl of Rodeo.”



“Are we talking to the group in Florida? Heck yes, we are. But this does not mean we have a done deal,” Stressman said. “As I’ve said, we are, in fact, as a board of directors, looking at all viable options. (Osceola County) might not be the only option on the table.”



When asked if the PRCA had entered into a similar memorandum of understanding with any other city or county, Stressman said only, “We have had more than one interested party, as far as serious inquiries, about hosting the WNFR.”



And it is possible that some entity other than Osceola County and its fancy new stadium could work a deal to host the WNFR? Even Las Vegas could, conceivably, work its way back into the talks?



“Yes, sir. That is possible,” Stressman said. “That is correct.”



Nonetheless, Christenson is looking past 2014 and this super-sized, invitation-only rodeo.



“We didn’t deal this hand,” he said. “We’re playing it. We are ready and have an alternative plan, and we will succeed with it.”



Faced with the prospect of Las Vegas staging a WNFR-scope event to compete with his organization’s own crowning rodeo, Stressman said, “I don’t blame them for pursuing that. Rodeo is a great sport, and competition is competition, but we don’t want that to happen. I don’t think it’s necessary for us to have two rodeos.”



Stressman said that there will be a point when everyone involved in the WNFR has recovered from working 17 consecutive days and “is thinking clearly” to contact reps from LVE and figure out just what the heck happened here.



“We’ll need to find out what it is we can do and reach out to the LVE, who we’ve been in partnership with for 29 years, and talk to them again. Everybody wants to know what happened here, what went wrong.



“There’s no way we’re going to leave it the way it is.”



But what is the objective of resuming a conversation with the folks in Las Vegas? Is it to resume negotiations or just mend a fractured relationship?



“The answer to both sides of that question would be, ‘Yes,’” Stressman said. “I don’t want to be in a position for LVE to be angry with the way this has gone for the past few days. Knowing them the way I know them, I don’t think they want that, either.



“Our intention was to continue negotiations.”



Maybe the best way to sort out this squabble is to remember the simple fundamentals of team roping: one on the head, one on the heel, and, above all, know how to read your partner. Otherwise, that steer is outta here.



Someone explain this to me in Blond.  Does this all sound like the PRCA was money hungry?  Does it sound like Vegas wanted the NFR gone?  I'm stupid I know but I'm hearing so many contradictions on this thread and now reading this article I'm really confused.  
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yellowhorse1
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Of course Im sure the PRCA will have stipultations on them that they cannot compete in both... There have already been talks of the NFR card.   
 This will get them sued.  It's already happened once.  "The Right to Work"....



Pretty sure there is at least one lawyer just waiting for the chance. 


 
I disagree with you. There are ways you can put restrictions on your members. The PBR is a prime example, they have a "non compete" clause. They don't restrict their members from participating in other events, but if competing in another event conflicts with them competing at a PBR event, then yes they do pay consequences. I am not sure how many events they have to set out. So yes, the PRCA can put in a "non compete" clause that would be totally legal and not interfere with the Right to Work law.
Prca Rodeo is set up totally different than PBR. You can't really compare the two and I'm sure that would apply legally.
Yeah, I am sure your right This coming from the person that thought Sherry was "playing it safe". Sorry but I think you expertise about rodeo has came from what you have seen from the view from your couch
Haha o you are the witty one! Do you even know how the pro tour or the qualifiers of the PBR is set up??? If so please enlighten us, genius? Before you spout any more of your ignorance for all the world to see.
Sweetie I can't even begin to compete with you on "ignorant statements" for the week.
O, I think you have shown yourself more than up to the task on this thread and several others here lately......hence your deflection from elaborating on your knowledge of how the PBR operates in comparison as to the PRCA.
No, no, you seem to be the expert on everything, who am I to question any of your ultimate wisdom. But, I might be depending on a family member who has 11 years of NFR experience to probably know just an itty bitty more then you. But I could be wrong, that couch of yours probably has more knowledge

C'mon folks!  This doesn't have to become a pizzing contest.  It's a good thread.....why ruin it?

O, I totally agree. But apparently someone still has there feelings hurt over another thread and feels the need to lash out on this one.
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PRCA wanted to negotiate the contract. LVE got their feelings hurt, and put out a press release to spiral everything out of control (which it did). Kissimmee and other areas see an opportunity to bid on the finals and are doing so. PRCA can use their bids to up the anty on LVE. LVE is not liking it.  
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im excited for the NFR to come to FL. It gives the other half of the country a chance to go. I know I cant afford to go to the NFR or any of the other big rodeos because the cost for us to travel to the other side of the US is astronomical. When it comes to children, im confused as to how there will be any more kids in FL than in NV? There will be screaming and well behaved youngins everywhere you go, and i love to see kids enjoying rodeo, thats how most of our dreams bloomed from- going, watching and wishing we could be out there. As for the livestock, i think theyll fare better than you would expect. i mean, theyre hauled from climate to climate all year. thats what makes the horses and other livestock the best of the business, they can be on the top of their game regardless of ground, climate, surroundings, ect. there is more to orlando than the parks, thats just what most think of when they hear the name. where some wont come from the western states, their seats will be filled by those from the eastern states that havent had a chance to go. boycotting because of the move seems a little ridiculous. the idea of it moving every year to different states across the country would give a lot more people a chance to see the best of the best compete.  
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ride n slide - 2013-12-17 11:07 AM Interesting facts from the Las Vegas Sun newspaper:

 





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Las Vegas Events President Pat Christenson speaks during a press conference announcing his induction into the Southern Nevada Sports Hall of Fame on Tuesday, March 19, 2013.







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Members of the Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association and tourism officials in Las Vegas have been working together for years. Twenty nine, to be exact.









But what unfolded Sunday afternoon regarding the future of the Wrangler National Finals Rodeo was a chasm of communication befitting people who had never spoken to one another, let alone shared the same rodeo ring for three decades.



The latest on this astonishing go-round between Las Vegas and its longtime rodeo partner: Las Vegas Events reps have cut off negotiations with the PRCA before any formal contract has been signed to actually move the WNFR out of Las Vegas after 2014.



As LVE officials have stated, there are compelling reasons Las Vegas is finished negotiating (their long-standing offer having been turned back), but the move has left the head of the PRCA saying, in effect, “Hold on there, cowboy.”



On Sunday afternoon, the nine-member PRCA Board of Directors voted to reject the offer made by LVE to return the WNFR to the Thomas & Mack Center after the current contract times out. The vote was 6-3 against the LVE proposal.



During that PRCA meeting, way across the country, the Osceola County (Fla.) Commission met to approve something known as a memorandum of understanding. That vote authorized a formal offer to move the WNFR to Florida beginning in 2015, the year after the current contract in Las Vegas ends.



PRCA board members were reportedly watching, certainly with keen interest, a live video stream of the session from Florida. That vote, held in a rare Sunday session of the Osceola County Commission in Kissimmee, Fla., was 5-0. The decision now allows 90 days for the two sides to hammer out an agreement that would make a new, 24,000-seat arena the home of the WNFR for 20 years beginning in 2016 (the event would be held at Amway Arena, home of the Orlando Magic, in 2015).



In keeping with the oft-confusing nature of the WNFR contract negotiations, the information made public during that meeting was surprising to even Florida residents. Plans for the $100 million arena to be built at Gaylord Palms Resort and Convention Center in Kissimmee were not even made public until Sunday’s meeting.



Minutes after the unanimous vote out of Florida, PRCA Chairman Keith Martin called South Point owner and National Finals Rodeo Committee member Michael Gaughan and told him the result of the day’s sweeping activities. Gaughan then contacted LVE President Pat Christenson, whose organization has been waiting a year and a half for a vote on its current contract offer to extend the rodeo’s stay in Las Vegas by another decade.



Christenson was unaware up until midweek that the PRCA even had planned a vote and was not privy to the events in Florida until Sunday.



Suffice to say, Christenson and his fellow Las Vegas officials had grown restless and were already mapping out a strategy for a new rodeo event to supplant the WNFR if a deal with the PRCA could not be reached. Understanding that the PRCA had rejected its offer and was pursuing a more lucrative (by $4 million) proposal from the Florida county that is home to Orlando and its PRCA-sanctioned Silver Spurs Rodeo, LVE issued a statement effectively announcing the end of its partnership with the PRCA after the 2014 WNFR.



“The way it was explained to me was the PRCA Board had reviewed our offer and voted against it,” Christenson said this afternoon. “They were in negotiations with the Florida county. We gave them an offer to extend and they rejected it.”



Given the long lag since making its original offer — which Christenson has said is $15 million when totaling the entire operating cost of staging the rodeo and peripheral events — LVE was ready to move on.



“Our offer was on the table for 18 months, ready for a vote,” Christenson said. “We weren’t going to spend another three to four months waiting for them to decide what they were going to do while we were looking at planning for another event.”



Pretty obviously, the Las Vegas contingent is confident of filling the 10-day slot usually occupied by the WNFR with a top-notch event. It certainly has a high financial standard to meet: The 2012 WNFR generated $92.8 million in nongaming economic impact for Las Vegas.



“We’re going to have the top contestants in a 10-day event that would replace what we’re doing with the NFR,” Christenson said. “Everything that would be in the NFR would be in this and will be a major, major rodeo event.” This would be a series of shows not sanctioned by the PRCA and more in line with the American invitational rodeo set for AT&T Stadium in Dallas in March. That show is sponsored by RFD-TV and its CEO, Randy Bernard. RFD-TV broadcast from this year’s WNFR.



But over at the PRCA, all this talk of a new rodeo to replace the WNFR in Las Vegas is very premature. PRCA CEO Karl Stressman said he was “totally surprised” that his colleagues at LVE had acted so swiftly and decisively to cut off negotiations.



“Never, and I say never, was there ever any intention that this was the end of the negotiations between us and LVE,” Stressman said in a phone interview this afternoon. “I’m reading their statement in response to our vote and thinking, ‘Wow, they are in a rush to do something different.’”



Stressman said the PRCA vote was merely a decision to turn down the current set of financial figures and continue negotiations, not only with Las Vegas, but with other prospective suitors hoping to land the “Super Bowl of Rodeo.”



“Are we talking to the group in Florida? Heck yes, we are. But this does not mean we have a done deal,” Stressman said. “As I’ve said, we are, in fact, as a board of directors, looking at all viable options. (Osceola County) might not be the only option on the table.”



When asked if the PRCA had entered into a similar memorandum of understanding with any other city or county, Stressman said only, “We have had more than one interested party, as far as serious inquiries, about hosting the WNFR.”



And it is possible that some entity other than Osceola County and its fancy new stadium could work a deal to host the WNFR? Even Las Vegas could, conceivably, work its way back into the talks?



“Yes, sir. That is possible,” Stressman said. “That is correct.”



Nonetheless, Christenson is looking past 2014 and this super-sized, invitation-only rodeo.



“We didn’t deal this hand,” he said. “We’re playing it. We are ready and have an alternative plan, and we will succeed with it.”



Faced with the prospect of Las Vegas staging a WNFR-scope event to compete with his organization’s own crowning rodeo, Stressman said, “I don’t blame them for pursuing that. Rodeo is a great sport, and competition is competition, but we don’t want that to happen. I don’t think it’s necessary for us to have two rodeos.”



Stressman said that there will be a point when everyone involved in the WNFR has recovered from working 17 consecutive days and “is thinking clearly” to contact reps from LVE and figure out just what the heck happened here.



“We’ll need to find out what it is we can do and reach out to the LVE, who we’ve been in partnership with for 29 years, and talk to them again. Everybody wants to know what happened here, what went wrong.



“There’s no way we’re going to leave it the way it is.”



But what is the objective of resuming a conversation with the folks in Las Vegas? Is it to resume negotiations or just mend a fractured relationship?



“The answer to both sides of that question would be, ‘Yes,’” Stressman said. “I don’t want to be in a position for LVE to be angry with the way this has gone for the past few days. Knowing them the way I know them, I don’t think they want that, either.



“Our intention was to continue negotiations.”



Maybe the best way to sort out this squabble is to remember the simple fundamentals of team roping: one on the head, one on the heel, and, above all, know how to read your partner. Otherwise, that steer is outta here.



Someone explain this to me in Blond.  Does this all sound like the PRCA was money hungry?  Does it sound like Vegas wanted the NFR gone?  I'm stupid I know but I'm hearing so many contradictions on this thread and now reading this article I'm really confused.  

Pretty much all your going to get is opinions here. But I will say this, the top 15 in each event voted to pursue this deal with Florida, and apparently did so unanimously. That says alot to me, and should everyone on here. I'm sure there are some smart people in that group, and they didn't take this vote lightly.
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Someone explain this to me in Blond.  Does this all sound like the PRCA was money hungry?  Does it sound like Vegas wanted the NFR gone?  I'm stupid I know but I'm hearing so many contradictions on this thread and now reading this article I'm really confused.  


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 i see similar articles posted already but i'll post this too.......the PRCA is backpedaling as fast as they can but i think it's a done deal and honestly, in the current rodeo climate, i think las vegas has a better chance to come out ahead financially, by moving on without the PRCA than with.....many on this board like competition and think it drives the market.....this may be a great opportunity to test that theory.....might be bigger money for more folks and more options for fans......

Mon, Dec 16, 2013 (8:31 p.m.)

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Las Vegas Events President Pat Christenson speaks during a press conference announcing his induction into the Southern Nevada Sports Hall of Fame on Tuesday, March 19, 2013.

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Karl Stressman at the Thomas & Mack Center on Tuesday, Dec. 11, 2013.

Members of the Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association and tourism officials in Las Vegas have been working together for years. Twenty nine, to be exact.

To borrow a term, this is not their first rodeo. Far from it.

But what unfolded Sunday afternoon regarding the future of the Wrangler National Finals Rodeo was a chasm of communication befitting people who had never spoken to one another, let alone shared the same rodeo ring for three decades.

The latest on this astonishing go-round between Las Vegas and its longtime rodeo partner: Las Vegas Events reps have cut off negotiations with the PRCA before any formal contract has been signed to actually move the WNFR out of Las Vegas after 2014.

As LVE officials have stated, there are compelling reasons Las Vegas is finished negotiating (their long-standing offer having been turned back), but the move has left the head of the PRCA saying, in effect, “Hold on there, cowboy.”

On Sunday afternoon, the nine-member PRCA Board of Directors voted to reject the offer made by LVE to return the WNFR to the Thomas & Mack Center after the current contract times out. The vote was 6-3 against the LVE proposal.

During that PRCA meeting, way across the country, the Osceola County (Fla.) Commission met to approve something known as a memorandum of understanding. That vote authorized a formal offer to move the WNFR to Florida beginning in 2015, the year after the current contract in Las Vegas ends.

PRCA board members were reportedly watching, certainly with keen interest, a live video stream of the session from Florida. That vote, held in a rare Sunday session of the Osceola County Commission in Kissimmee, Fla., was 5-0. The decision now allows 90 days for the two sides to hammer out an agreement that would make a new, 24,000-seat arena the home of the WNFR for 20 years beginning in 2016 (the event would be held at Amway Arena, home of the Orlando Magic, in 2015).

In keeping with the oft-confusing nature of the WNFR contract negotiations, the information made public during that meeting was surprising to even Florida residents. Plans for the $100 million arena to be built at Gaylord Palms Resort and Convention Center in Kissimmee were not even made public until Sunday’s meeting.

Minutes after the unanimous vote out of Florida, PRCA Chairman Keith Martin called South Point owner and National Finals Rodeo Committee member Michael Gaughan and told him the result of the day’s sweeping activities. Gaughan then contacted LVE President Pat Christenson, whose organization has been waiting a year and a half for a vote on its current contract offer to extend the rodeo’s stay in Las Vegas by another decade.

Christenson was unaware up until midweek that the PRCA even had planned a vote and was not privy to the events in Florida until Sunday.

Suffice to say, Christenson and his fellow Las Vegas officials had grown restless and were already mapping out a strategy for a new rodeo event to supplant the WNFR if a deal with the PRCA could not be reached. Understanding that the PRCA had rejected its offer and was pursuing a more lucrative (by $4 million) proposal from the Florida county that is home to Orlando and its PRCA-sanctioned Silver Spurs Rodeo, LVE issued a statement effectively announcing the end of its partnership with the PRCA after the 2014 WNFR.

“The way it was explained to me was the PRCA Board had reviewed our offer and voted against it,” Christenson said this afternoon. “They were in negotiations with the Florida county. We gave them an offer to extend and they rejected it.”

Given the long lag since making its original offer — which Christenson has said is $15 million when totaling the entire operating cost of staging the rodeo and peripheral events — LVE was ready to move on.

“Our offer was on the table for 18 months, ready for a vote,” Christenson said. “We weren’t going to spend another three to four months waiting for them to decide what they were going to do while we were looking at planning for another event.”

Pretty obviously, the Las Vegas contingent is confident of filling the 10-day slot usually occupied by the WNFR with a top-notch event. It certainly has a high financial standard to meet: The 2012 WNFR generated $92.8 million in nongaming economic impact for Las Vegas.

“We’re going to have the top contestants in a 10-day event that would replace what we’re doing with the NFR,” Christenson said. “Everything that would be in the NFR would be in this and will be a major, major rodeo event.” This would be a series of shows not sanctioned by the PRCA and more in line with the American invitational rodeo set for AT&T Stadium in Dallas in March. That show is sponsored by RFD-TV and its CEO, Randy Bernard. RFD-TV broadcast from this year’s WNFR.

But over at the PRCA, all this talk of a new rodeo to replace the WNFR in Las Vegas is very premature. PRCA CEO Karl Stressman said he was “totally surprised” that his colleagues at LVE had acted so swiftly and decisively to cut off negotiations.

“Never, and I say never, was there ever any intention that this was the end of the negotiations between us and LVE,” Stressman said in a phone interview this afternoon. “I’m reading their statement in response to our vote and thinking, ‘Wow, they are in a rush to do something different.’”

Stressman said the PRCA vote was merely a decision to turn down the current set of financial figures and continue negotiations, not only with Las Vegas, but with other prospective suitors hoping to land the “Super Bowl of Rodeo.”

“Are we talking to the group in Florida? Heck yes, we are. But this does not mean we have a done deal,” Stressman said. “As I’ve said, we are, in fact, as a board of directors, looking at all viable options. (Osceola County) might not be the only option on the table.”

When asked if the PRCA had entered into a similar memorandum of understanding with any other city or county, Stressman said only, “We have had more than one interested party, as far as serious inquiries, about hosting the WNFR.”

And it is possible that some entity other than Osceola County and its fancy new stadium could work a deal to host the WNFR? Even Las Vegas could, conceivably, work its way back into the talks?

“Yes, sir. That is possible,” Stressman said. “That is correct.”

Nonetheless, Christenson is looking past 2014 and this super-sized, invitation-only rodeo.

“We didn’t deal this hand,” he said. “We’re playing it. We are ready and have an alternative plan, and we will succeed with it.”

Faced with the prospect of Las Vegas staging a WNFR-scope event to compete with his organization’s own crowning rodeo, Stressman said, “I don’t blame them for pursuing that. Rodeo is a great sport, and competition is competition, but we don’t want that to happen. I don’t think it’s necessary for us to have two rodeos.”

Stressman said that there will be a point when everyone involved in the WNFR has recovered from working 17 consecutive days and “is thinking clearly” to contact reps from LVE and figure out just what the heck happened here.

“We’ll need to find out what it is we can do and reach out to the LVE, who we’ve been in partnership with for 29 years, and talk to them again. Everybody wants to know what happened here, what went wrong.

“There’s no way we’re going to leave it the way it is.”

But what is the objective of resuming a conversation with the folks in Las Vegas? Is it to resume negotiations or just mend a fractured relationship?

“The answer to both sides of that question would be, ‘Yes,’” Stressman said. “I don’t want to be in a position for LVE to be angry with the way this has gone for the past few days. Knowing them the way I know them, I don’t think they want that, either.

“Our intention was to continue negotiations.”

Maybe the best way to sort out this squabble is to remember the simple fundamentals of team roping: one on the head, one on the heel, and, above all, know how to read your partner. Otherwise, that steer is outta here.

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yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-17 12:01 PM   Pretty much all your going to get is opinions here. But I will say this, the top 15 in each event voted to pursue this deal with Florida, and apparently did so unanimously. That says alot to me, and should everyone on here. I'm sure there are some smart people in that group, and they didn't take this vote lightly.

 Without casting aspersions on the intelligence of the top contestants, realize they are swimming with sharks.
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TXBO - 2013-12-17 12:08 PM
yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-17 12:01 PM   Pretty much all your going to get is opinions here. But I will say this, the top 15 in each event voted to pursue this deal with Florida, and apparently did so unanimously. That says alot to me, and should everyone on here. I'm sure there are some smart people in that group, and they didn't take this vote lightly.
 Without casting aspersions on the intelligence of the top contestants, realize they are swimming with sharks.

 agreed.....
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Esther - 2013-12-17 11:55 AM PRCA wanted to negotiate the contract. LVE got their feelings hurt, and put out a press release to spiral everything out of control (which it did). Kissimmee and other areas see an opportunity to bid on the finals and are doing so. PRCA can use their bids to up the anty on LVE. LVE is not liking it.  

Thank you Esther for putting that in black and white.  Much easier for us little and slow people to understand.
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dhdqhllc - 2013-12-17 12:03 PM  i see similar articles posted already but i'll post this too.......the PRCA is backpedaling as fast as they can but i think it's a done deal and honestly, in the current rodeo climate, i think las vegas has a better chance to come out ahead financially, by moving on without the PRCA than with.....many on this board like competition and think it drives the market.....this may be a great opportunity to test that theory.....might be bigger money for more folks and more options for fans......




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