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| RidenFly - 2014-04-16 8:13 AM I didn't even know our goverment employed such tactics as using women and babies to do their dirty work. Reading this thread is turning my gut. People are such a dang disappointment to me. Its becoming harder for me to see the good in anyone anymore and especially Uncle Sam. Bundy broke laws and the Feds are escalating it and both are guilty of greed.
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| It really kind of blows my mind that you guys (except TXBO) are willing to throw your women folk under the bus to prove a point. Do you know how insane and stupid that sounds? Why doesn't Fox News tell you why real, in office politicians are hands off this issue? After all, they have Obamacare. You might ask yourselves why only right wing media figures are like a dog with a bone on this story, and you might also ask the Bundys if they are willing to sacrifice their wives, daughters, mothers, and sisters?
Look at yourselves in the mirror. Better yet, look at a little kid, and say "Sorry honey, you have to die so I can prove how awful the Feds are." Sick the way you can just brush off what that guy, representing many others, said and just go on with your narrative. |
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| TXBO - 2014-04-17 6:19 AM RidenFly - 2014-04-16 8:13 AM I didn't even know our goverment employed such tactics as using women and babies to do their dirty work. Reading this thread is turning my gut. People are such a dang disappointment to me. Its becoming harder for me to see the good in anyone anymore and especially Uncle Sam. Bundy broke laws and the Feds are escalating it and both are guilty of greed. That wasn't the government. That was the Bundy protesters.
Well then, if that's the truth then to hell with this topic. Both sides seem beyond reason at this point anyway. |
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| FinneyQuarterHorses - 2014-04-17 6:20 AM It really kind of blows my mind that you guys (except TXBO) are willing to throw your women folk under the bus to prove a point. Do you know how insane and stupid that sounds? Why doesn't Fox News tell you why real, in office politicians are hands off this issue? After all, they have Obamacare. You might ask yourselves why only right wing media figures are like a dog with a bone on this story, and you might also ask the Bundys if they are willing to sacrifice their wives, daughters, mothers, and sisters? Look at yourselves in the mirror. Better yet, look at a little kid, and say "Sorry honey, you have to die so I can prove how awful the Feds are." Sick the way you can just brush off what that guy, representing many others, said and just go on with your narrative.
I don't care what adult women chose to do, but babies? No way. I'm throughly irritated now. Where are the intelligent people that can imploy some diplomacy to get a job done? Put one of my kids on the line to prove a point and see what happens and I don't care what side of this line your on... (figuratively speaking) |
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| I actually agree with Ridenfly, for once, on this. This is a good place to stop. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | If my husband said he was willing to use myself and our children as a human shield in a gun fight, he would be looking for a new wife. Real men would not do that for ANY cause. |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2014-04-17 6:27 AM If my husband said he was willing to use myself and our children as a human shield in a gun fight, he would be looking for a new wife. Real men would not do that for ANY cause.
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Location: Online | We may never know the real story. We have the Bundy's side of the story and the other side is what the BLM/government is allowing the media to tell us. I have yet to hear a consistent story. Other than he didn't pay his grazing fees for 20 years, and they are trying to protect some tortoise. So what? Why is the government going after them now and not 19 years ago when he was a year late paying? There is more than grazing fees and tortoises.
I don't agree with the militia tactics of putting women on the front, I cringed when I heard them say that. How is that going to help their cause? That's only going to make them look like cowardly idiots.
Right or wrong, I will take the side of someone like Bundy over the government any day. Especially the current government. Especially when Harry Reid is involved.
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| rodeomom13 - 2014-04-16 8:05 AM We may never know the real story. We have the Bundy's side of the story and the other side is what the BLM/government is allowing the media to tell us. I have yet to hear a consistent story. Other than he didn't pay his grazing fees for 20 years, and they are trying to protect some tortoise. So what? Why is the government going after them now and not 19 years ago when he was a year late paying? There is more than grazing fees and tortoises.
I don't agree with the militia tactics of putting women on the front, I cringed when I heard them say that. How is that going to help their cause? That's only going to make them look like cowardly idiots.
Right or wrong, I will take the side of someone like Bundy over the government any day. Especially the current government. Especially when Harry Reid is involved.
And that is exactly the problem, you've chosen a side even though you don't understand the issue. I have heard on my FB wall "I will side with the ones that look and act like me, white with cowboy hats" no kidding.
That is just how Obama got elected and what most of us have been complaining about since he was, but clearly it's a human condition to side with those that "look and act" like you do, despite facts to the contrary. |
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Location: Florida.. | first thing to came to mind was the Islam tactics.. give the children and women for sacrifice. might as well hook a bomb to them right. |
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Location: The edge of no where | Bibliafarm - 2014-04-16 9:11 AM first thing to came to mind was the Islam tactics.. give the children and women for sacrifice. might as well hook a bomb to them right.
Women were used as a bluff, they knew the odds of the government shooting at them were slim to none. I wouldn't have had a problem being on the front line.
Where are children getting drug into this issue?
I will do some digging later, but it's been documented that MLK used children on the front lines to draw press and public sympathy. It did move the civil rights movement forward, but if you study some of the tatics used, I'm curious if everyone would still think they were the great leaders that they've been credited to be. I think the last book I read about it was "David and Goliath" by Malcom Gladwell. Anyone else read his books? Extremely well documented.
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Location: Florida.. | bluff or not it wasnt right. It was stupid to even say it.And this is over land .. good grief.. |
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| Bibliafarm - 2014-04-17 7:24 AM bluff or not it wasnt right. It was stupid to even say it.And this is over land .. good grief..
I'm sure this tactic is well documented through out history and whats true then remains true today. It's a BS cowardly move.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | smiley - 2014-04-15 8:03 PM And jsut like this story, Nevertooold, I am sure we are only getting the "right" side of Solyndra and every other issue. I'm not believing crap anymore. I have never seen a story so mangled as this one. There is no honor in journalism any longer, none. I used to think I could listen to some of these shows - like Hannity and get a fair view - I can't. They are all full of it. Daily Kos and a few others are the only ones even attempting to tell the real story. SO, we get half the story to p*** us all off and then we react just like they plan. It's all a game, I for one am done playing. If you don't like it - change it, not with guns and flags, but with votes and running for local office and contacting your reps and talking to others about voting. That's about all we have.
MaryAnna, I'm going to assume you were being facetious about the Daily Kos. If there is a more radical, progressive left wing blog I'd like to see it. I seriously doubt the Daily Kos would ever seek to tell the real story, unless it served to support a progressive cause or agenda. All you need to do is examine the list of contributors and writers for the Daily Kos to determine what they are all about. As far as objective journalism is concerned, I'm afraid that's been dead for a long time. There was a time when there were journalists placed a quest for factual information and the truth above their own political leanings, because they believed it was their calling. Today, that is all but extinct. All we have today is a sharply divided country. As far as the "vote" being our only remaining tool, I'm afraid that's all but dead as well. The most powerful tool we have is the "vote" yet it seems to be irrelevant, both in terms of elections as well as in the legislatures. We have a President who can circumvent laws by executive order entirely for the purposes of political power. We are in trouble when the majority of voters elect a man who had an unimpressive resume' and virtually no record of noteworthy accomplishments. His election was all based on superficial impressions - speaking ability, skin color, and an ability to lie, deceive, and use cunning to mesmerize the masses. We all know about his role models, his associaltions, and his political appointees. This is not new. This is what happened in Germany in 1933. It's the same thing, except this is a different version, re-tooled for the new millennium. This entire topic has merely reinforced my personal view that we are witnessing our own demise as a nation. If there's anything to be learned about history, it's that all powerful nations are eventually replaced. I think we missed out on an opportunity to heal and recover as a nation in 2012. This incident in Nevada is just a sign that we are living in an ideological pressure cooker, and we are being led by an evil empty suit.
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| MS2011 - 2014-04-16 9:18 AM Bibliafarm - 2014-04-16 9:11 AM first thing to came to mind was the Islam tactics.. give the children and women for sacrifice. might as well hook a bomb to them right. Women were used as a bluff, they knew the odds of the government shooting at them were slim to none. I wouldn't have had a problem being on the front line.
Where are children getting drug into this issue?
I will do some digging later, but it's been documented that MLK used children on the front lines to draw press and public sympathy. It did move the civil rights movement forward, but if you study some of the tatics used, I'm curious if everyone would still think they were the great leaders that they've been credited to be. I think the last book I read about it was "David and Goliath" by Malcom Gladwell. Anyone else read his books? Extremely well documented.
I haven't read the book but it sounds interesting. I'll pick it up.
Are you suggesting that MLK was wrong to use that tactic or that MLK's use of the tactic makes it an appropriate tactic for these protestors?
Quid pro quo. Pick up a copy of "The Real Lincoln" by Thomas DiLorenzo. Another leader that has been worshipped for abolishing slavery yet he was never an abolishinist. |
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | If you think that this about land, cattle and tortoises. I think you are wrong. I think this is about unelected officials stepping on Americans and American farmers and ranchers. I pray this is a sign of Americans are getting tired of it. In America if you are a small farmer it is illegal for you to produce food and sell it to your neighbors. If you have a milk cow and have extra milk in most places you have to dump it. If you sell it to a neighbor you are breaking the law. If you have extra meat birds or a pig or a steer. You cannot have it butchered and sell it to your neighbors without it being USDA inspected and you have to have a retail food establishment license. The FDA is coming down even harder on small farmers and if you want to grow your business it is becoming hard and harder to make it financially feasible. Even if you jump through regulatory hoops you can still have your farm raided at 3 am by heavily armed men who treat you and your family like they are terrorists and get no reasonable explanation for why. You can be happily raising your livestock and one day the Department of Natural Resources, issues a decree that the animals you are raising are an illegal invasive species and if you don’t kill them all you will be faced with fines reaching nearly a million dollars because your animals have, floppy ears or straight ears, and hundred other traits and some that are “not yet known” to the DNR so they can call all of your animals illegal! The BLM can just decide your cattle are killing turtles, or a plant or whatever and kick you animals off the lease. Or they can decide they want your land for whatever purpose and force you to sell it at what they want to pay, or threaten you with eminent domain.
I think these letter agencies need to answer to the American public. If we have them they need to be elected not appointed. If you are up against these letter agencies how do you get a fair trial? I know plenty of farmers and ranchers have gone broke fighting for what is right. They keep the farmers and ranchers in court for years and use their unlimited funds from the American tax payers to put these farmers and ranchers out of business by bleeding them dry going through the courts. The Bundy affair is just a symptom of a very broken system. Right or wrong it was inspiring to see Americans stand up for something in and age of such apathy. I don’t pretend to know the politics or all the laws or regulations, but I think there must be a better way where the American farmers and ranchers can get fair shake.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | TXBO - 2014-04-16 9:35 AM MS2011 - 2014-04-16 9:18 AM Bibliafarm - 2014-04-16 9:11 AM first thing to came to mind was the Islam tactics.. give the children and women for sacrifice. might as well hook a bomb to them right. Women were used as a bluff, they knew the odds of the government shooting at them were slim to none. I wouldn't have had a problem being on the front line.
Where are children getting drug into this issue?
I will do some digging later, but it's been documented that MLK used children on the front lines to draw press and public sympathy. It did move the civil rights movement forward, but if you study some of the tatics used, I'm curious if everyone would still think they were the great leaders that they've been credited to be. I think the last book I read about it was "David and Goliath" by Malcom Gladwell. Anyone else read his books? Extremely well documented.
Are you suggesting that MLK was wrong to use that tactic or that MLK's use of the tactic makes it an appropriate tactic for these protestors?
Quid pro quo. Pick up a copy of "The Real Lincoln" by Thomas DiLorenzo. Another leader that has been worshipped for abolishing slavery yet he was never an abolishinist.
The history we learned in school had only a vague resemblance to truth, (and is getting farther away from truth every year) but I don't think very many realize that, because history is "boring" and they never bothered to dig. My HS history teacher was a true lover of the subject, and being the mother of a good friend, we have kept in touch and have had some really cool conversations. It amazes me all the things she knows that she wasn't "allowed" to teach in public school, and she honestly was an exceptional teacher as it was. Given free rein, she would have rocked it.
I was was reading my 3rd grader's social studies book recently (he actually has that class with 4th grade) and I was absolutely APPALLED at what was written about the South, especially when compared to the other regions. We sat down and had an unschooling session. All they talked about was slavery due to cotton, segregation, and civil rights. That was it. Not a single positive word in the whole section, and nothing about the modern South (in great contrast to the info about other regions). I want to cry for all the kids that this is all they're getting. It's no freaking wonder the rest of the country looks down on us.
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Location: Online | smiley - 2014-04-16 8:10 AM rodeomom13 - 2014-04-16 8:05 AM We may never know the real story. We have the Bundy's side of the story and the other side is what the BLM/government is allowing the media to tell us. I have yet to hear a consistent story. Other than he didn't pay his grazing fees for 20 years, and they are trying to protect some tortoise. So what? Why is the government going after them now and not 19 years ago when he was a year late paying? There is more than grazing fees and tortoises.
I don't agree with the militia tactics of putting women on the front, I cringed when I heard them say that. How is that going to help their cause? That's only going to make them look like cowardly idiots.
Right or wrong, I will take the side of someone like Bundy over the government any day. Especially the current government. Especially when Harry Reid is involved.
And that is exactly the problem, you've chosen a side even though you don't understand the issue. I have heard on my FB wall "I will side with the ones that look and act like me, white with cowboy hats" no kidding.
That is just how Obama got elected and what most of us have been complaining about since he was, but clearly it's a human condition to side with those that "look and act" like you do, despite facts to the contrary.
The more I learn, the more I agree, he should have moved his cows. Then fought the constitutional fight if he felt there was one. I just don't trust this government any way shape or form and I will support anyone who stands up to them. That's my choice.
He comes off as a stubborn old kook, but what is he supposed to do when the BLM has bought out and run off all his neighbors? And for what? Ranchers are a dying breed, the government is issuing more and more rules and regulations across the country putting more ranchers out of business. What are they supposed to do?
I wonder if the current beef prices are having something to do with this. If I were him I would ship a few hundred and rebuild my herd on my own property. (just an afterthought) |
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