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Location: Exactly where I am supposed to be | I understands everyone else's opinions, and this is one of thee MOST educated threads I have ever read I have learned a tooon just from reading some of the posts, but Clif Cooper made a good point today, he said " The NFR in 2013 brought 90 + million dolors into LVE non gaming revenue, and all the rodeo contestant compete for only 6 million " that is a good point and so was Cesar Dela Cruz too they asked him what his opinion of it was and he said "I rope for money " we have to think of how hard it is for them out there they feed there familys off of the money they win.......so I agree with Clif and Cesar. I mean I know when I look for jackpots to go too if there is one with 500 added and one with 1500 added Ill go where the one with more money is. Vegas will always be there for those who want to shop or party or vacation or whatever they enjoy, and if Vegas wants to fork over a little more then they can have it, but I think if they are bringing in 90 Mil then LVE should be paying out a little more. And I truly believe that rodeo fans will go with it, and right now Florida has more to offer. | |
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Location: Arkansas | PRCA rejects current financial offer from LVE
Dec.16, 2013
The Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association Board of Directors voted Dec. 15 to reject the terms of the current financial offer from Las Vegas Events to extend the WNFR contract past 2014. The PRCA Board did not vote to leave Las Vegas; the vote was made strictly on the content of the current offer. The PRCA continues to carefully consider offers from all potential WNFR hosts. | |
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Location: Arkansas | CYA Ranch - 2013-12-17 12:13 PM Esther - 2013-12-17 11:55 AM PRCA wanted to negotiate the contract. LVE got their feelings hurt, and put out a press release to spiral everything out of control (which it did). Kissimmee and other areas see an opportunity to bid on the finals and are doing so. PRCA can use their bids to up the anty on LVE. LVE is not liking it. Thank you Esther for putting that in black and white. Much easier for us little and slow people to understand.
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Location: Prosser, WA | Both sides are obviously playing the crowd and the PRCA is not known for their expertise in negotiation. I'm all for the contestants making more money, but as a fan I have to look at it from my perspective as well. I've gone to the NFR for the last 8 years. I love the NFR. My mom and I drive down and have been going to 5 nights of the rodeo. There is nothing else like it and I love it. I'm sad to say that it will probably be the end of my going. I'm sure I could handle the extra costs to make it there, everyone has to travel so to me that is a non argument. But several on here have said that is Orlando's busy season and we know that December is a very slow time of the year for Las Vegas. Most in Vegas will tell you that even with the NFR it is still slower than normal. That being said, most all costs of going to the NFR are going to be higher. Tickets to the rodeo might be the same, but I'm sure hotels, transportation, food are all going to cost more in Orlando's busy season than it's been costing in Las Vegas' slow season. I'm sure there are others out there that could handle extra costs in getting there but maybe not extra costs in every single other area.
I also think many contestants will go where the money is. So if LVE is able to offer more money to the contestants, many will chose to go to Las Vegas. They could form another rodeo association and get a lot of contestants away from PRCA and WPRA just like the PBR did.
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Location: Midwest | The article posted here just makes it seem like LVE was pretty tired of dealing with the PRCA...and that they have potentially been looking for someone to fill their spot for a while now... | |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | barrelracr131 - 2013-12-17 12:54 PM
The article posted here just makes it seem like LVE was pretty tired of dealing with the PRCA...and that they have potentially been looking for someone to fill their spot for a while now...
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Location: ND | TXBO - 2013-12-17 12:13 PM
dhdqhllc - 2013-12-17 12:03 PM i see similar articles posted already but i'll post this too.......the PRCA is backpedaling as fast as they can but i think it's a done deal and honestly, in the current rodeo climate, i think las vegas has a better chance to come out ahead financially, by moving on without the PRCA than with.....many on this board like competition and think it drives the market.....this may be a great opportunity to test that theory.....might be bigger money for more folks and more options for fans......
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Location: fun meter pegged OK | After reading the article it sounded like the PRCA took a big gamble, and in the "city of sin" lost. The ultimate odds are always in the houses favor; that's why Vegas is still in business. (JMHO) | |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Yep. Looks to me like the PRCA was in a poker game with LVE and LVE called their bluff instead of upping the ante. It now looks like LVE is done negotiating and whatever new venue they bring up, they will draw the rest of the contestants not at the NFR as long as the money is there and it sounds like it will be. Heck, LVE doesnt even want to give the PRCA the approval. To bad really, because if they put that kind of money up, just look what a dog fight for the standings and new opportunities it brings to the not top 15. Top 15 out of the way so to speak, and that rodeo would count for the new year. | |
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Location: Arizona | ThreeCorners - 2013-12-17 12:27 PM Yep. Looks to me like the PRCA was in a poker game with LVE and LVE called their bluff instead of upping the ante. It now looks like LVE is done negotiating and whatever new venue they bring up, they will draw the rest of the contestants not at the NFR as long as the money is there and it sounds like it will be. Heck, LVE doesnt even want to give the PRCA the approval. To bad really, because if they put that kind of money up, just look what a dog fight for the standings and new opportunities it brings to the not top 15. Top 15 out of the way so to speak, and that rodeo would count for the new year. WEST COAST VS. EAST COAST!! Could be a new NFR beginning....lol!
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| My opinion is that Las Vegas started thinking that if all of these other places can put on the "best" rodeos (Houston, Calgary) without the PRCA so can we. They are attempting to remove the middle man. I'm not sure that is the best thing for anyone who rodeos in the long-term. | |
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| DD2012 - 2013-12-16 4:27 PM Holy hell I wish my wife and daughter could figure out how to go to Vegas for $1300 a week.
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| I honestly can't believe some of the sour asses on this board and the comments they are making about the contestants. Insulting the contestants intelligence and motives when you have no inside tract as to either! Bottom line: maybe this move will work out, and maybe it won't. The contestants made a stand after being rode hard and put away wet for too long, in hopes of bettering their and their families lives. For this I applaud them! It is easy to settle for a "pretty good" thing, but it is hard to go out on a limb in attempts to improve your situation. The world would be a better place if more people acted in the way of the latter. | |
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| ThreeCorners - 2013-12-17 1:27 PM
Yep. Looks to me like the PRCA was in a poker game with LVE and LVE called their bluff instead of upping the ante. It now looks like LVE is done negotiating and whatever new venue they bring up, they will draw the rest of the contestants not at the NFR as long as the money is there and it sounds like it will be. Heck, LVE doesnt even want to give the PRCA the approval. To bad really, because if they put that kind of money up, just look what a dog fight for the standings and new opportunities it brings to the not top 15. Top 15 out of the way so to speak, and that rodeo would count for the new year.
I can all but absolutely guarantee you that the PRCA will not sanction this rodeo in Vegas if it were to come to fruition (negating any potential "impact" to the new year standings). | |
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Location: OK | Contestants go to Vegas because it's the NFR, not vice versa. Now if these contestants work all year, then at the end trying to make the finals spend most of what they made to get there, they do need to run at more $. If Vegas rakes in all that $ and won't pay more, then I think PRCA should move. How very selfish of the fans to wish the contestants to run at less money so they can go to the finals where they want. If you wanna go to Vegas, just go.
I think FL will be better, bigger. I personally would love to see it come back to OKC because it's in the middle of the country, but I really don't care where it is as long as it's good for PRCA contestants.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jojammer - 2013-12-17 3:56 PM Contestants go to Vegas because it's the NFR, not vice versa. Now if these contestants work all year, then at the end trying to make the finals spend most of what they made to get there, they do need to run at more $. If Vegas rakes in all that $ and won't pay more, then I think PRCA should move. How very selfish of the fans to wish the contestants to run at less money so they can go to the finals where they want. If you wanna go to Vegas, just go. I think FL will be better, bigger. I personally would love to see it come back to OKC because it's in the middle of the country, but I really don't care where it is as long as it's good for PRCA contestants.
I really don't have a dog in this fight, one way or another. I want to go to the NFR, but I don't care where it's being held, to be honest. That being said, I can think of a dozen places I'd rather visit than Vegas. My initial reaction was it's a bad decision to leave Vegas, but now that I've thought of things, as far as I'm concerned, it might just end up being the right move. All I really care about is pro rodeo and a desire to see it thrive and flourish. Right now, it's just sort of hanging on....clinging. Some of the partcipants didn't make a thin dime. I think that's a dirty shame. That big bulldogger from Canada didn't make a penny for example. He probably lost money this year, for all we know. For goodness sakes, I think the top 15 ought to all at least make something resembling a decent income for a year of top level competition. | |
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Location: OK | Also, to the people who are pointing out that many "city folk" have no interest in rodeo... let me say this. If you bring the NFR to TOWN, somebody will go, and he will tell somebody else, and somebody will know uncle so and so who has an old horse, and bam. You have fans. Many people just don't have the exposure. Expose them to something great, and they will appreciate it.
I also think that we as contestants have a responsibility to rodeo. Used to, anybody could learn to ride. Free. You can still learn, for $200 for some videos, $50 for some halter, and $300 for a 2 day clinic. People, it's YOUR job to expand the sport. Help some kid. Do it for free. Get them started, then let them decide how far they want to take it. To many, it just seems too overwhelming to get into it, so they never do. In my mind, some of that is our fault.
It's always been my thing that if someone wants to learn to ride, I will help. I don't care who or what or how. Every kid should know the love of horses. | |
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| jojammer - 2013-12-17 4:17 PM Also, to the people who are pointing out that many "city folk" have no interest in rodeo... let me say this. If you bring the NFR to TOWN, somebody will go, and he will tell somebody else, and somebody will know uncle so and so who has an old horse, and bam. You have fans. Many people just don't have the exposure. Expose them to something great, and they will appreciate it. I also think that we as contestants have a responsibility to rodeo. Used to, anybody could learn to ride. Free. You can still learn, for $200 for some videos, $50 for some halter, and $300 for a 2 day clinic. People, it's YOUR job to expand the sport. Help some kid. Do it for free. Get them started, then let them decide how far they want to take it. To many, it just seems too overwhelming to get into it, so they never do. In my mind, some of that is our fault. It's always been my thing that if someone wants to learn to ride, I will help. I don't care who or what or how. Every kid should know the love of horses.
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Location: Exactly where I am supposed to be | jojammer - 2013-12-17 4:17 PM
Also, to the people who are pointing out that many "city folk" have no interest in rodeo... let me say this. If you bring the NFR to TOWN, somebody will go, and he will tell somebody else, and somebody will know uncle so and so who has an old horse, and bam. You have fans. Many people just don't have the exposure. Expose them to something great, and they will appreciate it.
I also think that we as contestants have a responsibility to rodeo. Used to, anybody could learn to ride. Free. You can still learn, for $200 for some videos, $50 for some halter, and $300 for a 2 day clinic. People, it's YOUR job to expand the sport. Help some kid. Do it for free. Get them started, then let them decide how far they want to take it. To many, it just seems too overwhelming to get into it, so they never do. In my mind, some of that is our fault.
It's always been my thing that if someone wants to learn to ride, I will help. I don't care who or what or how. Every kid should know the love of horses.
I agree COMPLETLY, and city folk, love to put there boots on and dresses and cowboy hats and take there kids to the rodeo, and I love that I think its a wonderful experience, when I go to the Mesquite rodeo every year I would bet 80% of the people in the stands are from Dallas and the surrounding areas, and they are completely into it and loving it. And I agree with you also on helping the kids when I first got into horses 15 years ago there were always people there helping me both when I rode English and western, I believe as an athlete and competitor you have to give back what you learned and what your giving and show people the hard work love and dedication that goes into riding and owning horses, and in the end when were to old and gray to rodeo, we can hope that we showed good values and love for the animal that will continue to show through the years. Its like Trevor Brazile said, he was complimented on how well his son behaved and he said that manners and hard work are what our sport was built on, so as long as he is around he is going to enforce those manners and ethics. | |
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