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Location: The edge of no where | TXBO - 2014-04-16 9:35 AM
MS2011 - 2014-04-16 9:18 AM Bibliafarm - 2014-04-16 9:11 AM first thing to came to mind was the Islam tactics.. give the children and women for sacrifice. might as well hook a bomb to them right. Women were used as a bluff, they knew the odds of the government shooting at them were slim to none. I wouldn't have had a problem being on the front line.
Where are children getting drug into this issue?
I will do some digging later, but it's been documented that MLK used children on the front lines to draw press and public sympathy. It did move the civil rights movement forward, but if you study some of the tatics used, I'm curious if everyone would still think they were the great leaders that they've been credited to be. I think the last book I read about it was "David and Goliath" by Malcom Gladwell. Anyone else read his books? Extremely well documented.
Are you suggesting that MLK was wrong to use that tactic or that MLK's use of the tactic makes it an appropriate tactic for these protestors?
Quid pro quo. Pick up a copy of "The Real Lincoln" by Thomas DiLorenzo. Another leader that has been worshipped for abolishing slavery yet he was never an abolishinist.
I will add that to my list to read.
I didn't mean to imply that they are right/wrong to do this, more just stating another instance that tactic has been used successfully. I believe it depends on the circumstances. As a woman, knowing everything was filmed and that Feds were armed, I wouldn't hesitate to be on the front line. I would know that if they did resort to violence, it would socially be much worse if it was shown against a woman than a man and my cause would most likely win. It insults me a bit to see people think that women shouldn't be on the front line, IF they walk in knowing full well the strategy and are good with it.
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-04-16 8:30 AM smiley - 2014-04-15 8:03 PM And jsut like this story, Nevertooold, I am sure we are only getting the "right" side of Solyndra and every other issue. I'm not believing crap anymore. I have never seen a story so mangled as this one. There is no honor in journalism any longer, none. I used to think I could listen to some of these shows - like Hannity and get a fair view - I can't. They are all full of it. Daily Kos and a few others are the only ones even attempting to tell the real story. SO, we get half the story to p*** us all off and then we react just like they plan. It's all a game, I for one am done playing. If you don't like it - change it, not with guns and flags, but with votes and running for local office and contacting your reps and talking to others about voting. That's about all we have.
MaryAnna, I'm going to assume you were being facetious about the Daily Kos. If there is a more radical, progressive left wing blog I'd like to see it. I seriously doubt the Daily Kos would ever seek to tell the real story, unless it served to support a progressive cause or agenda. All you need to do is examine the list of contributors and writers for the Daily Kos to determine what they are all about. As far as objective journalism is concerned, I'm afraid that's been dead for a long time. There was a time when there were journalists placed a quest for factual information and the truth above their own political leanings, because they believed it was their calling. Today, that is all but extinct.
All we have today is a sharply divided country. As far as the "vote" being our only remaining tool, I'm afraid that's all but dead as well. The most powerful tool we have is the "vote" yet it seems to be irrelevant, both in terms of elections as well as in the legislatures. We have a President who can circumvent laws by executive order entirely for the purposes of political power. We are in trouble when the majority of voters elect a man who had an unimpressive resume' and virtually no record of noteworthy accomplishments. His election was all based on superficial impressions - speaking ability, skin color, and an ability to lie, deceive, and use cunning to mesmerize the masses. We all know about his role models, his associaltions, and his political appointees. This is not new. This is what happened in Germany in 1933. It's the same thing, except this is a different version, re-tooled for the new millennium.
This entire topic has merely reinforced my personal view that we are witnessing our own demise as a nation. If there's anything to be learned about history, it's that all powerful nations are eventually replaced. I think we missed out on an opportunity to heal and recover as a nation in 2012. This incident in Nevada is just a sign that we are living in an ideological pressure cooker, and we are being led by an evil empty suit.
I agree with most of what you said - and yes, I was serious. I know nothing bout the Daily Kos, it was the first time I've ever read it, but they got the closest to the most accurate article out there.
Sometimes even a blind cat catches a mouse.
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| equussynergy - 2014-04-16 8:55 AM If you think that this about land, cattle and tortoises. I think you are wrong. I think this is about unelected officials stepping on Americans and American farmers and ranchers. I pray this is a sign of Americans are getting tired of it. In America if you are a small farmer it is illegal for you to produce food and sell it to your neighbors. If you have a milk cow and have extra milk in most places you have to dump it. If you sell it to a neighbor you are breaking the law. If you have extra meat birds or a pig or a steer. You cannot have it butchered and sell it to your neighbors without it being USDA inspected and you have to have a retail food establishment license. The FDA is coming down even harder on small farmers and if you want to grow your business it is becoming hard and harder to make it financially feasible. Even if you jump through regulatory hoops you can still have your farm raided at 3 am by heavily armed men who treat you and your family like they are terrorists and get no reasonable explanation for why. You can be happily raising your livestock and one day the Department of Natural Resources, issues a decree that the animals you are raising are an illegal invasive species and if you don’t kill them all you will be faced with fines reaching nearly a million dollars because your animals have, floppy ears or straight ears, and hundred other traits and some that are “not yet known” to the DNR so they can call all of your animals illegal! The BLM can just decide your cattle are killing turtles, or a plant or whatever and kick you animals off the lease. Or they can decide they want your land for whatever purpose and force you to sell it at what they want to pay, or threaten you with eminent domain.
I think these letter agencies need to answer to the American public. If we have them they need to be elected not appointed. If you are up against these letter agencies how do you get a fair trial? I know plenty of farmers and ranchers have gone broke fighting for what is right. They keep the farmers and ranchers in court for years and use their unlimited funds from the American tax payers to put these farmers and ranchers out of business by bleeding them dry going through the courts. The Bundy affair is just a symptom of a very broken system. Right or wrong it was inspiring to see Americans stand up for something in and age of such apathy. I don’t pretend to know the politics or all the laws or regulations, but I think there must be a better way where the American farmers and ranchers can get fair shake.
I agree, it is about way more than cattle and turtles and if it sheds light on all these other issues, then yes, it's been a good thing.
I will more than readily admit that most if not all of these strangeholds are produced via liberals who have no idea what it takes to make these things work, at the same time, there are a few nuggetts in the crap pile. | |
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Location: The edge of no where | Three 4 Luck - 2014-04-16 9:55 AM TXBO - 2014-04-16 9:35 AM MS2011 - 2014-04-16 9:18 AM Bibliafarm - 2014-04-16 9:11 AM first thing to came to mind was the Islam tactics.. give the children and women for sacrifice. might as well hook a bomb to them right. Women were used as a bluff, they knew the odds of the government shooting at them were slim to none. I wouldn't have had a problem being on the front line.
Where are children getting drug into this issue?
I will do some digging later, but it's been documented that MLK used children on the front lines to draw press and public sympathy. It did move the civil rights movement forward, but if you study some of the tatics used, I'm curious if everyone would still think they were the great leaders that they've been credited to be. I think the last book I read about it was "David and Goliath" by Malcom Gladwell. Anyone else read his books? Extremely well documented.
Are you suggesting that MLK was wrong to use that tactic or that MLK's use of the tactic makes it an appropriate tactic for these protestors?
Quid pro quo. Pick up a copy of "The Real Lincoln" by Thomas DiLorenzo. Another leader that has been worshipped for abolishing slavery yet he was never an abolishinist.
I was was reading my 3rd grader's social studies book recently (he actually has that class with 4th grade) and I was absolutely APPALLED at what was written about the South, especially when compared to the other regions. We sat down and had an unschooling session. All they talked about was slavery due to cotton, segregation, and civil rights. That was it. Not a single positive word in the whole section, and nothing about the modern South (in great contrast to the info about other regions). I want to cry for all the kids that this is all they're getting. It's no freaking wonder the rest of the country looks down on us.
Shape and control the minds of the children, and you will rule all.
You've got a great point. What is being taught in schools is moving further and further from the truth.
It's important for us (as a people in general) to research and try to truly understand history. A great history professor is priceless, especially one that makes you study from several prospectives.
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| rodeomom13 - 2014-04-16 9:04 AM smiley - 2014-04-16 8:10 AM rodeomom13 - 2014-04-16 8:05 AM We may never know the real story. We have the Bundy's side of the story and the other side is what the BLM/government is allowing the media to tell us. I have yet to hear a consistent story. Other than he didn't pay his grazing fees for 20 years, and they are trying to protect some tortoise. So what? Why is the government going after them now and not 19 years ago when he was a year late paying? There is more than grazing fees and tortoises.
I don't agree with the militia tactics of putting women on the front, I cringed when I heard them say that. How is that going to help their cause? That's only going to make them look like cowardly idiots.
Right or wrong, I will take the side of someone like Bundy over the government any day. Especially the current government. Especially when Harry Reid is involved.
And that is exactly the problem, you've chosen a side even though you don't understand the issue. I have heard on my FB wall "I will side with the ones that look and act like me, white with cowboy hats" no kidding.
That is just how Obama got elected and what most of us have been complaining about since he was, but clearly it's a human condition to side with those that "look and act" like you do, despite facts to the contrary.
He comes off as a stubborn old kook, but what is he supposed to do when the BLM has bought out and run off all his neighbors? And for what? Ranchers are a dying breed, the government is issuing more and more rules and regulations across the country putting more ranchers out of business. What are they supposed to do?
I wonder if the current beef prices are having something to do with this. If I were him I would ship a few hundred and rebuild my herd on my own property. (just an afterthought)
I agree and I don't trust anyone, let alone the govt., but in this case it was pretty cut and dried and I'll say it ONE more time - it is the environmentalists following laws that were put in place in 1970 creating the issues for ranchers. The BLM is simply the vehicle they are using to get their work done. Look into the National Environmental Policy Act of 1970, that's what they are using mostly to get their "turtles" to trump cattle. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | equussynergy - 2014-04-16 9:55 AM If you think that this about land, cattle and tortoises. I think you are wrong. I think this is about unelected officials stepping on Americans and American farmers and ranchers. I pray this is a sign of Americans are getting tired of it. In America if you are a small farmer it is illegal for you to produce food and sell it to your neighbors. If you have a milk cow and have extra milk in most places you have to dump it. If you sell it to a neighbor you are breaking the law. If you have extra meat birds or a pig or a steer. You cannot have it butchered and sell it to your neighbors without it being USDA inspected and you have to have a retail food establishment license. The FDA is coming down even harder on small farmers and if you want to grow your business it is becoming hard and harder to make it financially feasible. Even if you jump through regulatory hoops you can still have your farm raided at 3 am by heavily armed men who treat you and your family like they are terrorists and get no reasonable explanation for why. You can be happily raising your livestock and one day the Department of Natural Resources, issues a decree that the animals you are raising are an illegal invasive species and if you don’t kill them all you will be faced with fines reaching nearly a million dollars because your animals have, floppy ears or straight ears, and hundred other traits and some that are “not yet known” to the DNR so they can call all of your animals illegal! The BLM can just decide your cattle are killing turtles, or a plant or whatever and kick you animals off the lease. Or they can decide they want your land for whatever purpose and force you to sell it at what they want to pay, or threaten you with eminent domain.
I think these letter agencies need to answer to the American public. If we have them they need to be elected not appointed. If you are up against these letter agencies how do you get a fair trial? I know plenty of farmers and ranchers have gone broke fighting for what is right. They keep the farmers and ranchers in court for years and use their unlimited funds from the American tax payers to put these farmers and ranchers out of business by bleeding them dry going through the courts. The Bundy affair is just a symptom of a very broken system. Right or wrong it was inspiring to see Americans stand up for something in and age of such apathy. I don’t pretend to know the politics or all the laws or regulations, but I think there must be a better way where the American farmers and ranchers can get fair shake.
Now we're talking. I don't know anything, to speak of, about Mr Bundy and his woes. For all I know this man is a crackpot. I don't know what's fact and what's fiction, but I haven't looked very hard either. Equussynergy hit the nail on the head. I'm not ready to think of this as some cause celebre for conservatism any more than I think of Timothy McVeigh as a poster boy for conservatism or Ted Kozinsky for liberalism. Right now, people are eager to latch on to just about anything because they see tryanny everywhere. "I just want to hit someone" has become their motto. In so doing, many well intended people find themselves supporting a cause that may end up being hypocritical. Then we are no better than people like Finney who are eager to jump on something like this, while ignoring the hypocrisy on their own side. | |
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| FinneyQuarterHorses - 2014-04-16 8:20 AM It really kind of blows my mind that you guys (except TXBO) are willing to throw your women folk under the bus to prove a point. Do you know how insane and stupid that sounds? Why doesn't Fox News tell you why real, in office politicians are hands off this issue? After all, they have Obamacare. You might ask yourselves why only right wing media figures are like a dog with a bone on this story, and you might also ask the Bundys if they are willing to sacrifice their wives, daughters, mothers, and sisters? Look at yourselves in the mirror. Better yet, look at a little kid, and say "Sorry honey, you have to die so I can prove how awful the Feds are." Sick the way you can just brush off what that guy, representing many others, said and just go on with your narrative.
Those extemists are crazies who do not reperesent the right. They are a fringe element. I travel in very conservative circles and I do not know a single one of them who aspires to the nonsense you like to post from sights that jump on the words of these fringe elements and present them as the way the right thinks. | |
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I have written a dozen replies to this thread and yet I can't hit submit because of one, the facts are gone. We don't know them anymore...any links listed are strained through whatever political agenda that the certain writer aspires to.
Secondly, I think now, for the first time people in general have no idea what's really truly going on in this country anymore...how can you stand for something when every time you stand, you're standing in mud?
Third, my trust for everyone here there and everywhere is zero and I have no idea if anything I post will backlash on my professional career. That's pretty darn sad that I feel censored because I have witnessed the worst in people here there and everywhere....
I think Hotbear is right, all great civilizations have fallen and we are on the brink.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | smiley - 2014-04-16 10:14 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-16 8:30 AM smiley - 2014-04-15 8:03 PM And jsut like this story, Nevertooold, I am sure we are only getting the "right" side of Solyndra and every other issue. I'm not believing crap anymore. I have never seen a story so mangled as this one. There is no honor in journalism any longer, none. I used to think I could listen to some of these shows - like Hannity and get a fair view - I can't. They are all full of it. Daily Kos and a few others are the only ones even attempting to tell the real story. SO, we get half the story to p*** us all off and then we react just like they plan. It's all a game, I for one am done playing. If you don't like it - change it, not with guns and flags, but with votes and running for local office and contacting your reps and talking to others about voting. That's about all we have.
MaryAnna, I'm going to assume you were being facetious about the Daily Kos. If there is a more radical, progressive left wing blog I'd like to see it. I seriously doubt the Daily Kos would ever seek to tell the real story, unless it served to support a progressive cause or agenda. All you need to do is examine the list of contributors and writers for the Daily Kos to determine what they are all about. As far as objective journalism is concerned, I'm afraid that's been dead for a long time. There was a time when there were journalists placed a quest for factual information and the truth above their own political leanings, because they believed it was their calling. Today, that is all but extinct.
All we have today is a sharply divided country. As far as the "vote" being our only remaining tool, I'm afraid that's all but dead as well. The most powerful tool we have is the "vote" yet it seems to be irrelevant, both in terms of elections as well as in the legislatures. We have a President who can circumvent laws by executive order entirely for the purposes of political power. We are in trouble when the majority of voters elect a man who had an unimpressive resume' and virtually no record of noteworthy accomplishments. His election was all based on superficial impressions - speaking ability, skin color, and an ability to lie, deceive, and use cunning to mesmerize the masses. We all know about his role models, his associaltions, and his political appointees. This is not new. This is what happened in Germany in 1933. It's the same thing, except this is a different version, re-tooled for the new millennium.
This entire topic has merely reinforced my personal view that we are witnessing our own demise as a nation. If there's anything to be learned about history, it's that all powerful nations are eventually replaced. I think we missed out on an opportunity to heal and recover as a nation in 2012. This incident in Nevada is just a sign that we are living in an ideological pressure cooker, and we are being led by an evil empty suit.
Sometimes even a blind cat catches a mouse.
As to the demise, based on the knee jerk reactions and total emotion controlled responses, I think you are correct.
I figured as much, because if you knew anything about the Daily Kos, you wouldn't have read anything from that blog to begin with. Google them, look at their contributors and bloggers. I have a hard time believing they are a reliable source for any information, but then again, as you said, "even a blind cat catches a mouse". Blogs like this are adroit at crafting misinformation. Again, this has been done quite successfully in the past. Julius Streicher was a rabid antisemetic in Nazi Germany and a Nazi journalist who published "Der Stuermer", a vitriolic antisemetic newspaper that proved to be enormously powerful. In fact, it was deemed so powerful and so instrumental in fanning the flames of antisemetic hatred that Streicher was found guilty of crimes against humanity at Neuremberg and hung, even though he was not in the military and was not directly involved in the holocaust. I'm not suggesting The Daily Kos has reached that level, but their power is achieved in a similar fashion......lies, clever metaphor, distortions, and fomenting hate. | |
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| I see fault on both sides from what has been reported but what has been reported needs a filter and digging to sort it out. The first interview I saw Mr. Bundy was dancing all around the questions whether on purpose or what I don't know and the interview didn't press him. I am sad that some of the conservative media started out stooping to liberal tactics and spinning this. I don't know which way it is going now i refuse to watch them because of it.
What is even sadder is that the only time we get a visit from people like FinneyQuarterHorses among a few more is to stir the crap. Yes I don't comment a lot on threads and I do post horse stuff and not get back to it all the time but still so sad that is what their main use of this board is. Oh well I clicked on it I own it so I commented so don't tell me I dont have to open it. | |
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Location: Online | I just saw a report, not sure if it was the whole story. But the BLM offered to sell Bundy's cattle to a Utah rancher for nearly $1,000,000 and recruited his cowboys to gather the cattle. But the Governor said that he would not allow the cattle to enter Utah. How is that not theft on the BLM's part? And if they were allowed to do that where would that money for the cattle go?
This whole thing is so messed up.
And to Finney, since I still have her on ignore I haven't read any of her posts except for the one Rodeomom3 quoted. I agree with what RM3 said. Don't lump all of us in that group of right wing extremists. Finney isn't helping her argument by accusing us of supporting those who will put women and children on the front line. It doesn't help the Bundy's cause either. Bluff or not, it's wrong. I also don't like seeing guys in battle gear packing AR-15s and SKS's in support of the Bundy's. That is not helping either. The BLM shouldn't be full battle gear pointing their weapons at Americans either. | |
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Location: North Texas | komet. - 2014-04-15 10:52 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-15 10:41 PM FinneyQuarterHorses - 2014-04-15 10:34 PM Here Girls! Something to make you Bundy supporters nervous if you are out there on the front lines with the militia: "It was Richard Mack, a former Arizona county sheriff and founder of the Constitutional Sheriffs, who had said Monday that the gathered self-described militia had considered using women as human shields if a gunfight with federal officials erupted. He elaborated on those comments Monday in an interview with radio host Ben Swann. “It was a tactical plot that I was trying to get them to use,” Mack said in comments flagged by The Raw Story. “If they’re going to start killing people, I’m sorry, but to show the world how ruthless these people are, women needed to be the first ones shot.” “I’m sorry, that sounds horrible,” he continued. “I would have put my own wife or daughters there, and I would have been screaming bloody murder to watch them die. I would gone next, I would have been the next one to be killed. I’m not afraid to die here. I’m willing to die here.” If you feel a hand in your back, I'd run. Also, Bundy says they have set up a PayPal Account for people to donate money to them (Color me surprised!), and they already have about $2000 in the Kitty. Just a side note on the financial side again, I read where Bundy says they own 160 acres of deeded ground, and lease the rest. He figures that he owes the Feds $300,000 instead of the $1.2M in fees and fines. If he was a private rancher with 500 cows out on grass @ the going rate of $500-600/cow/year, even at $500, that puts a private rancher's bill at $250,000 per year or in Bundy Years ($250,000 x 20 years) $5,000,000. Yes that is 5 million dollars. You can haul a lot of water for that. Got a live link Finney, instead of some driveby copy 'n paste? Cause with nothing to validate your 'story', it didn't happen. Jus' sayin'. It's out there.... "......In a statement to Fox News on Monday that was first flagged by Glenn Beck’s The Blaze, former Sheriff Richard Mack talked about his strategy to put women on the front lines if a gunfight broke out....." Here it is on video.. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/15/former-sheriff-women-need-to-...
I am just now getting back to this..........................And watched the video and read the text. I am appalled! MY wife would NOT be in front of me! NO WAY NO HOW! Nor MY Sisters! However, this Retired Sheriff referenced what happened at Ruby Ridge Idaho in 1992 when The BATFE shot Vicki Weaver through her head holding a (I suspect her own ) baby in front of her daughter. Yes, this is HISTORICAL Fact! Ret. Sheriff Mack stated both in the text and verbally, he was attempting to employ this strategy, but he never claimed everyone was on board on with it. So, again Ms. Finney you are 'cherry picking' the event for your own use. Not surprising when You are defending Yourself. AND NO! I DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS STRATEGY OR TACTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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Location: Montana | Just a quick comment; I am offended that some seem to think that women can't decide for themselves to take the lead... Women are just as formatible as men, though in different ways. All the comments condeming the "men" for putting their "women" out front; I say phhhhtttt, those women chose to stand up for what they believed was the right thing to do. As for the children; they should never be put into that type of situation. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | equussynergy - 2014-04-16 9:55 AM If you think that this about land, cattle and tortoises. I think you are wrong. I think this is about unelected officials stepping on Americans and American farmers and ranchers. I pray this is a sign of Americans are getting tired of it. In America if you are a small farmer it is illegal for you to produce food and sell it to your neighbors. If you have a milk cow and have extra milk in most places you have to dump it. If you sell it to a neighbor you are breaking the law. If you have extra meat birds or a pig or a steer. You cannot have it butchered and sell it to your neighbors without it being USDA inspected and you have to have a retail food establishment license. The FDA is coming down even harder on small farmers and if you want to grow your business it is becoming hard and harder to make it financially feasible. Even if you jump through regulatory hoops you can still have your farm raided at 3 am by heavily armed men who treat you and your family like they are terrorists and get no reasonable explanation for why. You can be happily raising your livestock and one day the Department of Natural Resources, issues a decree that the animals you are raising are an illegal invasive species and if you don’t kill them all you will be faced with fines reaching nearly a million dollars because your animals have, floppy ears or straight ears, and hundred other traits and some that are “not yet known” to the DNR so they can call all of your animals illegal! The BLM can just decide your cattle are killing turtles, or a plant or whatever and kick you animals off the lease. Or they can decide they want your land for whatever purpose and force you to sell it at what they want to pay, or threaten you with eminent domain.
I think these letter agencies need to answer to the American public. If we have them they need to be elected not appointed. If you are up against these letter agencies how do you get a fair trial? I know plenty of farmers and ranchers have gone broke fighting for what is right. They keep the farmers and ranchers in court for years and use their unlimited funds from the American tax payers to put these farmers and ranchers out of business by bleeding them dry going through the courts. The Bundy affair is just a symptom of a very broken system. Right or wrong it was inspiring to see Americans stand up for something in and age of such apathy. I don’t pretend to know the politics or all the laws or regulations, but I think there must be a better way where the American farmers and ranchers can get fair shake.
I agree and many people are not getting that it's not about this guy owing the government, it's way bigger then that. Too bad the government didn't use these resources to do something actually useful like defending our borders but we now know O doesn't want to defend our borders. It's not one of his chosen law breaking things he wants to address. | |
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Location: North Texas | Here is something I've not seen yet:
I would be willing to bet that everyone in Nevada who has been videoed or photographed on the opposing side to the FEDS in and around Bunkerville has had their image(s) run through facial recognition software by The NSA via The DHS and will be 'hearing' from The FEDs either via The IRS or some other Alphabet Agency! | |
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| foundation horse - 2014-04-17 9:58 AM Here is something I've not seen yet: I would be willing to bet that everyone in Nevada who has been videoed or photographed on the opposing side to the FEDS in and around Bunkerville has had their image(s) run through facial recognition software by The NSA via The DHS and will be 'hearing' from The FEDs either via The IRS or some other Alphabet Agency!
I trade them. All the illegals in my back yard for all the cattle and turtles in Nevada. | |
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Location: North Texas | RidenFly - 2014-04-16 12:00 PM
foundation horse - 2014-04-17 9:58 AM Here is something I've not seen yet: I would be willing to bet that everyone in Nevada who has been videoed or photographed on the opposing side to the FEDS in and around Bunkerville has had their image(s) run through facial recognition software by The NSA via The DHS and will be 'hearing' from The FEDs either via The IRS or some other Alphabet Agency!
I trade them. All the illegals in my back yard for all the cattle and turtles in Nevada.
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| foundation horse - 2014-04-16 11:30 AM
komet. - 2014-04-15 10:52 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-15 10:41 PM FinneyQuarterHorses - 2014-04-15 10:34 PM Here Girls! Something to make you Bundy supporters nervous if you are out there on the front lines with the militia: "It was Richard Mack, a former Arizona county sheriff and founder of the Constitutional Sheriffs, who had said Monday that the gathered self-described militia had considered using women as human shields if a gunfight with federal officials erupted. He elaborated on those comments Monday in an interview with radio host Ben Swann. “It was a tactical plot that I was trying to get them to use,” Mack said in comments flagged by The Raw Story. “If they’re going to start killing people, I’m sorry, but to show the world how ruthless these people are, women needed to be the first ones shot.” “I’m sorry, that sounds horrible,” he continued. “I would have put my own wife or daughters there, and I would have been screaming bloody murder to watch them die. I would gone next, I would have been the next one to be killed. I’m not afraid to die here. I’m willing to die here.” If you feel a hand in your back, I'd run. Also, Bundy says they have set up a PayPal Account for people to donate money to them (Color me surprised!), and they already have about $2000 in the Kitty. Just a side note on the financial side again, I read where Bundy says they own 160 acres of deeded ground, and lease the rest. He figures that he owes the Feds $300,000 instead of the $1.2M in fees and fines. If he was a private rancher with 500 cows out on grass @ the going rate of $500-600/cow/year, even at $500, that puts a private rancher's bill at $250,000 per year or in Bundy Years ($250,000 x 20 years) $5,000,000. Yes that is 5 million dollars. You can haul a lot of water for that. Got a live link Finney, instead of some driveby copy 'n paste? Cause with nothing to validate your 'story', it didn't happen. Jus' sayin'. It's out there.... "......In a statement to Fox News on Monday that was first flagged by Glenn Beck’s The Blaze, former Sheriff Richard Mack talked about his strategy to put women on the front lines if a gunfight broke out....." Here it is on video.. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/15/former-sheriff-women-need-to-...
I am just now getting back to this..........................And watched the video and read the text. I am appalled! MY wife would NOT be in front of me! NO WAY NO HOW! Nor MY Sisters! However, this Retired Sheriff referenced what happened at Ruby Ridge Idaho in 1992 when The BATFE shot Vicki Weaver through her head holding a (I suspect her own ) baby in front of her daughter. Yes, this is HISTORICAL Fact! Ret. Sheriff Mack stated both in the text and verbally, he was attempting to employ this strategy, but he never claimed everyone was on board on with it. So, again Ms. Finney you are 'cherry picking' the event for your own use. Not surprising when You are defending Yourself. AND NO! I DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS STRATEGY OR TACTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I could not agree more with you on this FH. The statement by the ex sheriff was by far the dumbest statement in this whole thing. Thankfully better heads prevailed. But I am far more outraged that at the fact that an agency of our government showed up as paramilitary to service a court order in a CIVIL case. A misdemeanor for crying out loud. | |
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Own It and Move On
Location: The edge of no where | Bandit94 - 2014-04-16 11:50 AM Just a quick comment; I am offended that some seem to think that women can't decide for themselves to take the lead... Women are just as formatible as men, though in different ways. All the comments condeming the "men" for putting their "women" out front; I say phhhhtttt, those women chose to stand up for what they believed was the right thing to do. As for the children; they should never be put into that type of situation.
Thank you!!
I find it belittling to think that I couldn't make this kind of decision for myself. It's a matter of weighing the risks and deciding.
My man would never choose to make those decisions for me, he knew I would do whatever I ****ed well wanted when he married me! He respects my choices.
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Semper Fi
Location: North Texas | This is as close to explaining this fiasco as anything I have seen:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=299412876875209&set=a.147847...
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