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Location: Montana | MS2011 - 2014-04-16 10:05 AM Bandit94 - 2014-04-16 11:50 AM Just a quick comment; I am offended that some seem to think that women can't decide for themselves to take the lead... Women are just as formatible as men, though in different ways. All the comments condeming the "men" for putting their "women" out front; I say phhhhtttt, those women chose to stand up for what they believed was the right thing to do. As for the children; they should never be put into that type of situation. Thank you!!
I find it belittling to think that I couldn't make this kind of decision for myself. It's a matter of weighing the risks and deciding.
My man would never choose to make those decisions for me, he knew I would do whatever I ****ed well wanted when he married me! He respects my choices.
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| Bandit94 - 2014-04-16 11:13 AM MS2011 - 2014-04-16 10:05 AM Bandit94 - 2014-04-16 11:50 AM Just a quick comment; I am offended that some seem to think that women can't decide for themselves to take the lead... Women are just as formatible as men, though in different ways. All the comments condeming the "men" for putting their "women" out front; I say phhhhtttt, those women chose to stand up for what they believed was the right thing to do. As for the children; they should never be put into that type of situation. Thank you!!
I find it belittling to think that I couldn't make this kind of decision for myself. It's a matter of weighing the risks and deciding.
My man would never choose to make those decisions for me, he knew I would do whatever I ****ed well wanted when he married me! He respects my choices.
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-04-16 9:48 AM equussynergy - 2014-04-16 9:55 AM If you think that this about land, cattle and tortoises. I think you are wrong. I think this is about unelected officials stepping on Americans and American farmers and ranchers. I pray this is a sign of Americans are getting tired of it. In America if you are a small farmer it is illegal for you to produce food and sell it to your neighbors. If you have a milk cow and have extra milk in most places you have to dump it. If you sell it to a neighbor you are breaking the law. If you have extra meat birds or a pig or a steer. You cannot have it butchered and sell it to your neighbors without it being USDA inspected and you have to have a retail food establishment license. The FDA is coming down even harder on small farmers and if you want to grow your business it is becoming hard and harder to make it financially feasible. Even if you jump through regulatory hoops you can still have your farm raided at 3 am by heavily armed men who treat you and your family like they are terrorists and get no reasonable explanation for why. You can be happily raising your livestock and one day the Department of Natural Resources, issues a decree that the animals you are raising are an illegal invasive species and if you don’t kill them all you will be faced with fines reaching nearly a million dollars because your animals have, floppy ears or straight ears, and hundred other traits and some that are “not yet known” to the DNR so they can call all of your animals illegal! The BLM can just decide your cattle are killing turtles, or a plant or whatever and kick you animals off the lease. Or they can decide they want your land for whatever purpose and force you to sell it at what they want to pay, or threaten you with eminent domain.
I think these letter agencies need to answer to the American public. If we have them they need to be elected not appointed. If you are up against these letter agencies how do you get a fair trial? I know plenty of farmers and ranchers have gone broke fighting for what is right. They keep the farmers and ranchers in court for years and use their unlimited funds from the American tax payers to put these farmers and ranchers out of business by bleeding them dry going through the courts. The Bundy affair is just a symptom of a very broken system. Right or wrong it was inspiring to see Americans stand up for something in and age of such apathy. I don’t pretend to know the politics or all the laws or regulations, but I think there must be a better way where the American farmers and ranchers can get fair shake.
Now we're talking. I don't know anything, to speak of, about Mr Bundy and his woes. For all I know this man is a crackpot. I don't know what's fact and what's fiction, but I haven't looked very hard either. Equussynergy hit the nail on the head. I'm not ready to think of this as some cause celebre for conservatism any more than I think of Timothy McVeigh as a poster boy for conservatism or Ted Kozinsky for liberalism. Right now, people are eager to latch on to just about anything because they see tryanny everywhere. "I just want to hit someone" has become their motto. In so doing, many well intended people find themselves supporting a cause that may end up being hypocritical. Then we are no better than people like Finney who are eager to jump on something like this, while ignoring the hypocrisy on their own side.
I do not normally agree with any of these people on most things and that makes me question my previous blindness in possible issues based on half assed media and information.
I think this is a cheap shot too - I'm not sure who Finney is but clearly he or she has garnered some real backlash on this site. I'm not sure if it's warranted, but as for me I think that he/she's been treated pretty poorly on this thread. Again, I haven't been around much, but there are some pretty rude comments to her for a view that many actually share.
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Location: Montana | smiley - 2014-04-16 10:18 AM Bandit94 - 2014-04-16 11:13 AM MS2011 - 2014-04-16 10:05 AM Bandit94 - 2014-04-16 11:50 AM Just a quick comment; I am offended that some seem to think that women can't decide for themselves to take the lead... Women are just as formatible as men, though in different ways. All the comments condeming the "men" for putting their "women" out front; I say phhhhtttt, those women chose to stand up for what they believed was the right thing to do. As for the children; they should never be put into that type of situation. Thank you!!
I find it belittling to think that I couldn't make this kind of decision for myself. It's a matter of weighing the risks and deciding.
My man would never choose to make those decisions for me, he knew I would do whatever I ****ed well wanted when he married me! He respects my choices.
HA...No, I am not Mormon. I do however have many friends that are and those that I know aren't going to do that unless they choose to. Honestly, most of those women are ranch or farm women who are concerned with the issues that are affecting their livelyhoods. For all of the comments pertaining to the legality of Mr. Bundy; I believe that it isn't really about Bundy, it is about the gov. taking over the west for its own interests. Destroying the western way of life in order to control our food, water and ulimately a section of the population that is far to independent for the governmental agenda. | |
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| Bandit94 - 2014-04-16 12:13 PM MS2011 - 2014-04-16 10:05 AM Bandit94 - 2014-04-16 11:50 AM Just a quick comment; I am offended that some seem to think that women can't decide for themselves to take the lead... Women are just as formatible as men, though in different ways. All the comments condeming the "men" for putting their "women" out front; I say phhhhtttt, those women chose to stand up for what they believed was the right thing to do. As for the children; they should never be put into that type of situation. Thank you!!
I find it belittling to think that I couldn't make this kind of decision for myself. It's a matter of weighing the risks and deciding.
My man would never choose to make those decisions for me, he knew I would do whatever I ****ed well wanted when he married me! He respects my choices.
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | TXBO - 2014-04-16 11:53 AM Bandit94 - 2014-04-16 12:13 PM MS2011 - 2014-04-16 10:05 AM Bandit94 - 2014-04-16 11:50 AM Just a quick comment; I am offended that some seem to think that women can't decide for themselves to take the lead... Women are just as formatible as men, though in different ways. All the comments condeming the "men" for putting their "women" out front; I say phhhhtttt, those women chose to stand up for what they believed was the right thing to do. As for the children; they should never be put into that type of situation. Thank you!!
I find it belittling to think that I couldn't make this kind of decision for myself. It's a matter of weighing the risks and deciding.
My man would never choose to make those decisions for me, he knew I would do whatever I ****ed well wanted when he married me! He respects my choices.
Lol I used to be one of those too but not anymore. I'd type more on the subject but that is a can of worms for another another day! | |
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Location: Online | Bandit94 - 2014-04-16 11:36 AM smiley - 2014-04-16 10:18 AM Bandit94 - 2014-04-16 11:13 AM MS2011 - 2014-04-16 10:05 AM Bandit94 - 2014-04-16 11:50 AM Just a quick comment; I am offended that some seem to think that women can't decide for themselves to take the lead... Women are just as formatible as men, though in different ways. All the comments condeming the "men" for putting their "women" out front; I say phhhhtttt, those women chose to stand up for what they believed was the right thing to do. As for the children; they should never be put into that type of situation. Thank you!!
I find it belittling to think that I couldn't make this kind of decision for myself. It's a matter of weighing the risks and deciding.
My man would never choose to make those decisions for me, he knew I would do whatever I ****ed well wanted when he married me! He respects my choices.
Now that's a good point Bandit. As long as it's the women's choice to be up front, than that's ok with me. As long as they are not forced. Women's rights, you know. 
I grew up in a Mormon family and my mom, my sister and sister in law are practicing Mormons and I guarantee you know one has ever, or will never tell them what to do or how to do it. Not all Mormon men are women controlling pigs. But let's not turn this into a religion discussion. Please???
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![From the Support Cliven Bundy FB Page:
Please Share, this needs to go viral.
From Doug Hagmann
At 1750 hours ET, I was contacted by my source within the Department of Homeland Security regarding the current situation at the Bundy Ranch. To put it bluntly, the people are being hoodwinked into believing that the situation is being resolved. It is not. It is a strategic de-escalation to fool the public. This source stated that the retreat of the BLM agents and the release of the cattle was actually crafted as a potential plan yesterday <b></b>(Friday, 11 April 2014<b></b>) based on the following:
1. A military assessment of satellite and drone surveillance imagery of the “patriot resistance. Drones under the control of the U.S. military were in use, taking real-time photographic images of not just the activity at the ranch, but "identifying the protesters, any arms and any supplies they might have or be carrying. “Mission accomplished.”
2. Real-time communication intercepts between patriots on-site and their off-site support;
3. Active monitoring of internet traffic regarding the coverage of events at ranch;
4. The monitoring of real-time video from the scene.
This source stated that a response by the patriot movement was anticipated, although exceeded their expectations. Although this was a real operation, they also ran this as a test case for future government operations once they saw the response. They were also actively managing the media, in some cases threatening to cut off White House access to anyone covering the event.
Despite this, the coverage by the alternative media began to create a public relations problem that was not easily managed. Note the lack of acknowledgment by the White House regarding this event. They are intentionally framing it as a state issue, despite the fact that all federal response has been and continues to be from the White House. There is a reason for this – a reason that has not been identified in any of the public reports to date. I will explain in further detail in a follow-up report on Sunday, after this source attends [redacted] to obtain more specific information about future federal operations. Regardless, according to this source, the government will take back ‘their land’ as they must to fulfill international obligations. It was never about grazing rights or anything other than <b></b>(1<b></b>) “securing clear title” to the land, and <b></b>(2<b></b>) further demonizing any patriotic resistance. It is my understanding, based on the information from this source, that it is a critical task to create a situation that will also advance their agenda of gun control and confiscation.
A more detailed report will follow on Sunday, 13 April 2014, with additional and much more specific information about their inside plans and future operations.PLEASE MAKE THIS VIRAL!
#OathBeforeOrders](https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/s851x315/10171018_10152030626247011_2229938292183078861_n.jpg)
Also did anyone realize that area 51 is very close to this ranch? I know I'm throwing noodles on the fridge but I always try and see if there is more to a situation than beats the eye. | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | RidenFly - 2014-04-16 1:29 PM
Has this scenario been discussed yet?
![From the Support Cliven Bundy FB Page: <br/>
Please Share, this needs to go viral. <br/>
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From Doug Hagmann <br/>
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At 1750 hours ET, I was contacted by my source within the Department of Homeland Security regarding the current situation at the Bundy Ranch. To put it bluntly, the people are being hoodwinked into believing that the situation is being resolved. It is not. It is a strategic de-escalation to fool the public. This source stated that the retreat of the BLM agents and the release of the cattle was actually crafted as a potential plan yesterday <b></b>(Friday, 11 April 2014<b></b>) based on the following: <br/>
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1. A military assessment of satellite and drone surveillance imagery of the “patriot resistance. Drones under the control of the U.S. military were in use, taking real-time photographic images of not just the activity at the ranch, but]()
2. Real-time communication intercepts between patriots on-site and their off-site support;
3. Active monitoring of internet traffic regarding the coverage of events at ranch;
4. The monitoring of real-time video from the scene.
This source stated that a response by the patriot movement was anticipated, although exceeded their expectations. Although this was a real operation, they also ran this as a test case for future government operations once they saw the response. They were also actively managing the media, in some cases threatening to cut off White House access to anyone covering the event.
Despite this, the coverage by the alternative media began to create a public relations problem that was not easily managed. Note the lack of acknowledgment by the White House regarding this event. They are intentionally framing it as a state issue, despite the fact that all federal response has been and continues to be from the White House. There is a reason for this – a reason that has not been identified in any of the public reports to date. I will explain in further detail in a follow-up report on Sunday, after this source attends [redacted] to obtain more specific information about future federal operations. Regardless, according to this source, the government will take back ‘their land’ as they must to fulfill international obligations. It was never about grazing rights or anything other than (1 ) “securing clear title” to the land, and (2 ) further demonizing any patriotic resistance. It is my understanding, based on the information from this source, that it is a critical task to create a situation that will also advance their agenda of gun control and confiscation.
A more detailed report will follow on Sunday, 13 April 2014, with additional and much more specific information about their inside plans and future operations.PLEASE MAKE THIS VIRAL!
#OathBeforeOrders" class="_46-i img" src="https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/s851x315/10171018_10152030626247011_2229938292183078861_n.jpg" style="height:315px; left:-1px; top:0px; width:472px" /> Also did anyone realize that area 51 is very close to this ranch? I know I'm throwing noodles on the fridge but I always try and see if there is more to a situation than beats the eye.
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Location: SE Louisiana | Nevertooold - 2014-04-16 2:01 PM
They just showed the destruction the Feds did to fencing, pens etc plus shooting 2 prized bulls.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | smiley - 2014-04-16 12:20 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-16 9:48 AM equussynergy - 2014-04-16 9:55 AM If you think that this about land, cattle and tortoises. I think you are wrong. I think this is about unelected officials stepping on Americans and American farmers and ranchers. I pray this is a sign of Americans are getting tired of it. In America if you are a small farmer it is illegal for you to produce food and sell it to your neighbors. If you have a milk cow and have extra milk in most places you have to dump it. If you sell it to a neighbor you are breaking the law. If you have extra meat birds or a pig or a steer. You cannot have it butchered and sell it to your neighbors without it being USDA inspected and you have to have a retail food establishment license. The FDA is coming down even harder on small farmers and if you want to grow your business it is becoming hard and harder to make it financially feasible. Even if you jump through regulatory hoops you can still have your farm raided at 3 am by heavily armed men who treat you and your family like they are terrorists and get no reasonable explanation for why. You can be happily raising your livestock and one day the Department of Natural Resources, issues a decree that the animals you are raising are an illegal invasive species and if you don’t kill them all you will be faced with fines reaching nearly a million dollars because your animals have, floppy ears or straight ears, and hundred other traits and some that are “not yet known” to the DNR so they can call all of your animals illegal! The BLM can just decide your cattle are killing turtles, or a plant or whatever and kick you animals off the lease. Or they can decide they want your land for whatever purpose and force you to sell it at what they want to pay, or threaten you with eminent domain.
I think these letter agencies need to answer to the American public. If we have them they need to be elected not appointed. If you are up against these letter agencies how do you get a fair trial? I know plenty of farmers and ranchers have gone broke fighting for what is right. They keep the farmers and ranchers in court for years and use their unlimited funds from the American tax payers to put these farmers and ranchers out of business by bleeding them dry going through the courts. The Bundy affair is just a symptom of a very broken system. Right or wrong it was inspiring to see Americans stand up for something in and age of such apathy. I don’t pretend to know the politics or all the laws or regulations, but I think there must be a better way where the American farmers and ranchers can get fair shake.
Now we're talking. I don't know anything, to speak of, about Mr Bundy and his woes. For all I know this man is a crackpot. I don't know what's fact and what's fiction, but I haven't looked very hard either. Equussynergy hit the nail on the head. I'm not ready to think of this as some cause celebre for conservatism any more than I think of Timothy McVeigh as a poster boy for conservatism or Ted Kozinsky for liberalism. Right now, people are eager to latch on to just about anything because they see tryanny everywhere. "I just want to hit someone" has become their motto. In so doing, many well intended people find themselves supporting a cause that may end up being hypocritical. Then we are no better than people like Finney who are eager to jump on something like this, while ignoring the hypocrisy on their own side.
I think this is a cheap shot too - I'm not sure who Finney is but clearly he or she has garnered some real backlash on this site. I'm not sure if it's warranted, but as for me I think that he/she's been treated pretty poorly on this thread. Again, I haven't been around much, but there are some pretty rude comments to her for a view that many actually share.
Smiley, as you said, you aren't sure who Finney is, but if you would have been on here with any degree of regularity for about a year before the 2012 election, you would understand. If the truth is a cheap shot, then so be it. She would post something much more partisan and incendiary, usually in the form of a long C&P from MSNBC or a blog such as the "Think Progress", the "Domcratic Underground", or...."The Daily Kos". Typically, she would preface the C&P with a comment of her own, mainly to make the post more caustic. She'd then disappear after stirring the pot and generating dozens of responses from predominately conservative-minded people. Sometimes she would respond, a day or two later with another 1-2 sentence retort, supplemented with another lengthy C&P, yada, yada, yada. That was the pattern, until eventually people got smart and refused to react. After a while, her threads tended to just drift away, and so did Finney. Perhaps Finney has re-tooled her tactics while away on sabbatical, but I am inclined to think not.
That's not a cheap shot. That's what happened. Personally, I didn't mind it at all, because it gave me an opportunity to shoot holes in the progressive-liberal agenda. I will admit, and I have said this several times before, I find it hard to repect the views of someone who has never ever been able to muster the intellectual courage to criticise someone in their own political party or someone who espouses the same political philosophy. She has never criticised anything progressive and has never criticised another Democrat.
Compare that with someone like TxBO who is unafraid to say when he thinks something or someone is wrong, regardless of their underlying political agenda. There are plenty of conservative-minded people on this board who have this kind of intellectual honesty. Finney doesn't. | |
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Location: ND | komet. - 2014-04-16 2:06 PM Nevertooold - 2014-04-16 2:01 PM They just showed the destruction the Feds did to fencing, pens etc plus shooting 2 prized bulls. I wonder what they were 'prized' for..
prized bulls....that was funny
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| Nevertooold - 2014-04-16 1:01 PM They just showed the destruction the Feds did to fencing, pens etc plus shooting 2 prized bulls.
Then if they were so prized - they shouldn't have been off the 160 acre Bundy ranch, which resides on private property. They charged the agents and were shot. Fencing would be destroyed if it was on federal land that they needed access to. They will probably send Bundy a bill for their work too. | |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-04-16 1:07 PM smiley - 2014-04-16 12:20 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-16 9:48 AM equussynergy - 2014-04-16 9:55 AM If you think that this about land, cattle and tortoises. I think you are wrong. I think this is about unelected officials stepping on Americans and American farmers and ranchers. I pray this is a sign of Americans are getting tired of it. In America if you are a small farmer it is illegal for you to produce food and sell it to your neighbors. If you have a milk cow and have extra milk in most places you have to dump it. If you sell it to a neighbor you are breaking the law. If you have extra meat birds or a pig or a steer. You cannot have it butchered and sell it to your neighbors without it being USDA inspected and you have to have a retail food establishment license. The FDA is coming down even harder on small farmers and if you want to grow your business it is becoming hard and harder to make it financially feasible. Even if you jump through regulatory hoops you can still have your farm raided at 3 am by heavily armed men who treat you and your family like they are terrorists and get no reasonable explanation for why. You can be happily raising your livestock and one day the Department of Natural Resources, issues a decree that the animals you are raising are an illegal invasive species and if you don’t kill them all you will be faced with fines reaching nearly a million dollars because your animals have, floppy ears or straight ears, and hundred other traits and some that are “not yet known” to the DNR so they can call all of your animals illegal! The BLM can just decide your cattle are killing turtles, or a plant or whatever and kick you animals off the lease. Or they can decide they want your land for whatever purpose and force you to sell it at what they want to pay, or threaten you with eminent domain.
I think these letter agencies need to answer to the American public. If we have them they need to be elected not appointed. If you are up against these letter agencies how do you get a fair trial? I know plenty of farmers and ranchers have gone broke fighting for what is right. They keep the farmers and ranchers in court for years and use their unlimited funds from the American tax payers to put these farmers and ranchers out of business by bleeding them dry going through the courts. The Bundy affair is just a symptom of a very broken system. Right or wrong it was inspiring to see Americans stand up for something in and age of such apathy. I don’t pretend to know the politics or all the laws or regulations, but I think there must be a better way where the American farmers and ranchers can get fair shake.
Now we're talking. I don't know anything, to speak of, about Mr Bundy and his woes. For all I know this man is a crackpot. I don't know what's fact and what's fiction, but I haven't looked very hard either. Equussynergy hit the nail on the head. I'm not ready to think of this as some cause celebre for conservatism any more than I think of Timothy McVeigh as a poster boy for conservatism or Ted Kozinsky for liberalism. Right now, people are eager to latch on to just about anything because they see tryanny everywhere. "I just want to hit someone" has become their motto. In so doing, many well intended people find themselves supporting a cause that may end up being hypocritical. Then we are no better than people like Finney who are eager to jump on something like this, while ignoring the hypocrisy on their own side.
I think this is a cheap shot too - I'm not sure who Finney is but clearly he or she has garnered some real backlash on this site. I'm not sure if it's warranted, but as for me I think that he/she's been treated pretty poorly on this thread. Again, I haven't been around much, but there are some pretty rude comments to her for a view that many actually share.
That's not a cheap shot. That's what happened. Personally, I didn't mind it at all, because it gave me an opportunity to shoot holes in the progressive-liberal agenda. I will admit, and I have said this several times before, I find it hard to repect the views of someone who has never ever been able to muster the intellectual courage to criticise someone in their own political party or someone who espouses the same political philosophy. She has never criticised anything progressive and has never criticised another Democrat.
Compare that with someone like TxBO who is unafraid to say when he thinks something or someone is wrong, regardless of their underlying political agenda. There are plenty of conservative-minded people on this board who have this kind of intellectual honesty. Finney doesn't.
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Location: North Texas | smiley - 2014-04-16 2:22 PM
Nevertooold - 2014-04-16 1:01 PM They just showed the destruction the Feds did to fencing, pens etc plus shooting 2 prized bulls.
Then if they were so prized - they shouldn't have been off the 160 acre Bundy ranch, which resides on private property. They charged the agents and were shot. Fencing would be destroyed if it was on federal land that they needed access to. They will probably send Bundy a bill for their work too.
And just how pray tell is a bull (prized or otherwise) going to fulfill it biological function (of breeding cows) if it is not out w/ the herd? | |
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| dhdqhllc - 2014-04-16 2:20 PM komet. - 2014-04-16 2:06 PM Nevertooold - 2014-04-16 2:01 PM They just showed the destruction the Feds did to fencing, pens etc plus shooting 2 prized bulls. I wonder what they were 'prized' for..
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| foundation horse - 2014-04-16 1:30 PM smiley - 2014-04-16 2:22 PM Nevertooold - 2014-04-16 1:01 PM They just showed the destruction the Feds did to fencing, pens etc plus shooting 2 prized bulls.
Then if they were so prized - they shouldn't have been off the 160 acre Bundy ranch, which resides on private property. They charged the agents and were shot. Fencing would be destroyed if it was on federal land that they needed access to. They will probably send Bundy a bill for their work too. And just how pray tell is a bull (prized or otherwise ) going to fulfill it biological function (of breeding cows ) if it is not out w/ the herd?
They knew the BLM was coming, if they wanted to save their cattle they'd have rounded them up. Instead, they wanted chaos and anarchy and they wanted something to go down, well it did. And you can just as easily bring your cows to your bulls as you can just turn out a bull with all sizes and bred cows - I don't believe it's great cattle art to put your bull with cows that are already bred, close to calving, young steers and brand new calves. At least that's what my husband said and he has a bit of experience.
If they were prized - and to whom were they prized? I don't think they were hauling these bulls to shows were they? They they should have taken the preventative measures to ensure their bulls were not injured. JMO of course. | |
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Location: North Texas | HotbearLVR - 2014-04-16 2:07 PM
smiley - 2014-04-16 12:20 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-16 9:48 AM equussynergy - 2014-04-16 9:55 AM If you think that this about land, cattle and tortoises. I think you are wrong. I think this is about unelected officials stepping on Americans and American farmers and ranchers. I pray this is a sign of Americans are getting tired of it. In America if you are a small farmer it is illegal for you to produce food and sell it to your neighbors. If you have a milk cow and have extra milk in most places you have to dump it. If you sell it to a neighbor you are breaking the law. If you have extra meat birds or a pig or a steer. You cannot have it butchered and sell it to your neighbors without it being USDA inspected and you have to have a retail food establishment license. The FDA is coming down even harder on small farmers and if you want to grow your business it is becoming hard and harder to make it financially feasible. Even if you jump through regulatory hoops you can still have your farm raided at 3 am by heavily armed men who treat you and your family like they are terrorists and get no reasonable explanation for why. You can be happily raising your livestock and one day the Department of Natural Resources, issues a decree that the animals you are raising are an illegal invasive species and if you don’t kill them all you will be faced with fines reaching nearly a million dollars because your animals have, floppy ears or straight ears, and hundred other traits and some that are “not yet known” to the DNR so they can call all of your animals illegal! The BLM can just decide your cattle are killing turtles, or a plant or whatever and kick you animals off the lease. Or they can decide they want your land for whatever purpose and force you to sell it at what they want to pay, or threaten you with eminent domain.
I think these letter agencies need to answer to the American public. If we have them they need to be elected not appointed. If you are up against these letter agencies how do you get a fair trial? I know plenty of farmers and ranchers have gone broke fighting for what is right. They keep the farmers and ranchers in court for years and use their unlimited funds from the American tax payers to put these farmers and ranchers out of business by bleeding them dry going through the courts. The Bundy affair is just a symptom of a very broken system. Right or wrong it was inspiring to see Americans stand up for something in and age of such apathy. I don’t pretend to know the politics or all the laws or regulations, but I think there must be a better way where the American farmers and ranchers can get fair shake.
Now we're talking. I don't know anything, to speak of, about Mr Bundy and his woes. For all I know this man is a crackpot. I don't know what's fact and what's fiction, but I haven't looked very hard either. Equussynergy hit the nail on the head. I'm not ready to think of this as some cause celebre for conservatism any more than I think of Timothy McVeigh as a poster boy for conservatism or Ted Kozinsky for liberalism. Right now, people are eager to latch on to just about anything because they see tryanny everywhere. "I just want to hit someone" has become their motto. In so doing, many well intended people find themselves supporting a cause that may end up being hypocritical. Then we are no better than people like Finney who are eager to jump on something like this, while ignoring the hypocrisy on their own side.
I think this is a cheap shot too - I'm not sure who Finney is but clearly he or she has garnered some real backlash on this site. I'm not sure if it's warranted, but as for me I think that he/she's been treated pretty poorly on this thread. Again, I haven't been around much, but there are some pretty rude comments to her for a view that many actually share.
That's not a cheap shot. That's what happened. Personally, I didn't mind it at all, because it gave me an opportunity to shoot holes in the progressive-liberal agenda. I will admit, and I have said this several times before, I find it hard to repect the views of someone who has never ever been able to muster the intellectual courage to criticise someone in their own political party or someone who espouses the same political philosophy. She has never criticised anything progressive and has never criticised another Democrat.
Compare that with someone like TxBO who is unafraid to say when he thinks something or someone is wrong, regardless of their underlying political agenda. There are plenty of conservative-minded people on this board who have this kind of intellectual honesty. Finney doesn't.
Mrs. Finney's historical M.O. has been to C&P something very incendiary in analogy 'passing wind' in a crowd of people and then running off laughing.
And her last post that I quoted was as cherry picked as they come! She was attempting to stir the majority members (women's) emotions with the idea of morals, chivalry and the implication of cowardice. Notice she would not paste a validated live link to her info?
And when said Info was examined and analyzed, said action never actually took place. But VOILA! Mrs. Finney has created that proverbial sh!tstorm she is so historically famous for.
Let me put me it this way, should Mrs. Finney have something for sell: I AIN'T buying! I vote with my hard earned dollars and I DO NOT support Progressive/Liberal Politics! | |
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