|
|
 Living within my means
Posts: 5128
  
Location: Randolph, Utah | I see that the US has overtaken China & Italy in confirmed cases. Is that because the US truly has more cases or does the US have more test readily available than China & Italy did (do)? | |
| | |
 BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351
Location: Bastrop, Texas | JcNhEmI - 2020-03-26 5:23 PM
I see that the US has overtaken China & Italy in confirmed cases.
Is that because the US truly has more cases or does the US have more test readily available than China & Italy did (do)?
That's not at all surprising to me, because we were expecting a big surge in the reported numbers of Covid19 cases because our testing has taken off almost exponentially. We knew this would happen and it really isn't alarming. We are still getting more and more testing done every day. They really did a great job of streamlining and kicking that into gear quickly.
| |
| | |
 My Heart Be Happy
Posts: 9159
Location: Arkansas | We had the first confirmed case in our county this afternoon. . . | |
| | |
  Champ
Posts: 19623
Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | <form action="https://www.facebook.com/search/top/" method="get"> The following is from Johns Hopkins University... * The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code. (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.
* Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.
* The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is why you have to rub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam).
By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own.
* HEAT melts fat; this is why it is so good to use water above 77 degrees Fahrenheit for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes it even more useful.
* Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus.
* Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaks it down from the inside.
* Oxygenated water helps long after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure and it hurts your skin.
* NO BACTERICIDE OR ANTIBIOTIC SERVES. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; antibodies cannot kill what is not alive.
* NEVER shake used or unused clothing, sheets or cloth. While it is glued to a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only
-between 3 hours (fabric and porous),
-4 hours (copper and wood)
-24 hours (cardboard),
- 42 hours (metal) and
-72 hours (plastic).
But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours, and can lodge in your nose.
* The virus molecules remain very stable in external cold, or artificial as air conditioners in houses and cars.
They also need moisture to stay stable, and especially darkness. Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster.
* UV LIGHT on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein. For example, to disinfect and reuse a mask is perfect. Be careful, it also breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin.
* The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin.
* Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.
* NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve. The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need 65%.
* LISTERINE IF IT SERVES! It is 65% alcohol.
* The more confined the space, the more concentration of the virus there can be. The more open or naturally ventilated, the less.
* You have to wash your hands before and after touching mucosa, food, locks, knobs, switches, remote control, cell phone, watches, computers, desks, TV, etc. And when using the bathroom.
* You have to Moisturize dry hands from so much washing them, because the molecules can hide in the micro cracks. The thicker the moisturizer, the better.
* Also keep your NAILS SHORT so that the virus does not hide there.
-JOHNS HOPKINS HOSPITAL | |
| | |
| Well Honey, you FINALLY post something based in reality. Bravo! | |
| | |
BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351
Location: Bastrop, Texas | Excellent post. Reputable source.
Also, I want to add: Evidence seems to be accumulating that it's preferable to avoid NSAIDS like ibuprofen. Use Tylenol (acetaminophen) if possible. There's some suggestion that patients who used ibuprofen seem to fare worse. | |
| | |
 Elite Veteran
Posts: 885
| Chandler's Mom - 2020-03-26 6:41 PM
We had the first confirmed case in our county this afternoon. . .
We did to. I heard another person has it so now in our county we have 2 " okla "
| |
| | |
Elite Veteran
Posts: 885
| Bear - 2020-03-27 12:48 PM
Excellent post. Reputable source.
Also, I want to add: Evidence seems to be accumulating that it's preferable to avoid NSAIDS like ibuprofen. Use Tylenol (acetaminophen) if possible. There's some suggestion that patients who used ibuprofen seem to fare worse.
Wow, I had no idea of this. Thank You for letting us know. I wear my back on track stuff vs taking ibuprofin but I will admit, I have had to resort to ibuprofin at times. Sucks getting older | |
| | |
"Heck's Coming With Me"
Posts: 10793
Location: Kansas | JcNhEmI - 2020-03-26 5:23 PM
I see that the US has overtaken China & Italy in confirmed cases.
Is that because the US truly has more cases or does the US have more test readily available than China & Italy did (do)?
Hillary just made a really funny joke when she was told about the US leading in coronavirus cases. Taking a shot at Trump she said "Well, he did promise America First. What a crackup. | |
| | |
BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351
Location: Bastrop, Texas | Frodo - 2020-03-27 4:11 PM
JcNhEmI - 2020-03-26 5:23 PM
I see that the US has overtaken China & Italy in confirmed cases.
Is that because the US truly has more cases or does the US have more test readily available than China & Italy did (do)?
Hillary just made a really funny joke when she was told about the US leading in coronavirus cases. Taking a shot at Trump she said "Well, he did promise America First.
What a crackup.
Why of course. Hillary needs to take a shot whenever she gets a chance. That's all she's good for. | |
| | |
 A Somebody to Everybody
Posts: 41354
Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas |  This man died yesterday, hes from New Braunfels but died in a Austin hospital, he was a healthy 44 year old man NO underlying issues, he tested postive Wednesday and died the next day..
| |
| | |
BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351
Location: Bastrop, Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-27 5:31 PM
This man died yesterday, hes from New Braunfels but died in a Austin hospital, he was a healthy 44 year old man NO underlying issues, he tested postive Wednesday and died the next day..
That's just incredibly sad. There are other cases like this all over the country, but so far, the vast numbers are those who fall into those high risk categories: diabetic, obese, coronary artery disease, cancer, immunocompromised, etc - particularly those over 65. The question is what is the risk to people under 65 with none of the risk factors? We really don't know what that risk is because we really do NOT know how many people have Covid19. In a few weeks we'll have a better idea. I suspect when the dust as settled the risk to people under 65 without risk factors will be closer to H1N1. Young people died from H1N1 as well, but fortunately those were rare instances. Of course, with H1N1, children under 4 and infants were in a higher risk category, along with the elderly. With Covid19, children are not at high risk. Yes, there have been a few deaths, but not at an alarming rate, like H1N1. | |
| | |
A Somebody to Everybody
Posts: 41354
Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bear - 2020-03-27 8:23 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-27 5:31 PM
This man died yesterday, hes from New Braunfels but died in a Austin hospital, he was a healthy 44 year old man NO underlying issues, he tested postive Wednesday and died the next day..
That's just incredibly sad. There are other cases like this all over the country, but so far, the vast numbers are those who fall into those high risk categories: diabetic, obese, coronary artery disease, cancer, immunocompromised, etc - particularly those over 65. The question is what is the risk to people under 65 with none of the risk factors? We really don't know what that risk is because we really do NOT know how many people have Covid19. In a few weeks we'll have a better idea. I suspect when the dust as settled the risk to people under 65 without risk factors will be closer to H1N1. Young people died from H1N1 as well, but fortunately those were rare instances. Of course, with H1N1, children under 4 and infants were in a higher risk category, along with the elderly. With Covid19, children are not at high risk. Yes, there have been a few deaths, but not at an alarming rate, like H1N1.
Question Bear, I have heard a few times that when the weather starts to warm up and stays warm there should be fewer cases of the coronavirus and the virus will start to be less and less, how does the weather have anything to do with this virus? | |
| | |
BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351
Location: Bastrop, Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-27 8:48 PM Bear - 2020-03-27 8:23 PM Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-27 5:31 PM This man died yesterday, hes from New Braunfels but died in a Austin hospital, he was a healthy 44 year old man NO underlying issues, he tested postive Wednesday and died the next day.. That's just incredibly sad. There are other cases like this all over the country, but so far, the vast numbers are those who fall into those high risk categories: diabetic, obese, coronary artery disease, cancer, immunocompromised, etc - particularly those over 65. The question is what is the risk to people under 65 with none of the risk factors? We really don't know what that risk is because we really do NOT know how many people have Covid19. In a few weeks we'll have a better idea. I suspect when the dust as settled the risk to people under 65 without risk factors will be closer to H1N1. Young people died from H1N1 as well, but fortunately those were rare instances. Of course, with H1N1, children under 4 and infants were in a higher risk category, along with the elderly. With Covid19, children are not at high risk. Yes, there have been a few deaths, but not at an alarming rate, like H1N1. Question Bear, I have heard a few times that when the weather starts to warm up and stays warm there should be fewer cases of the coronavirus and the virus will start to be less and less, how does the weather have anything to do with this virus? Good question. I think I mentioned this in another post, but it's worth repeating. When SARS (severe adult respiratory syndrome) broke out in China in the spring of 2003, over a 2-3 month span, there were 8000 cases, with 800 deaths, for a 10% mortality....ten times more lethal than Covid19. When the warmer summer months arrived, the SARS epidemic vanished. It didn't cycle back, so many feel that the warmer, longer days basically wiped it out. There have been 4-5 cases since, mostly in lab personnel working with the virus. Both Covid19 virus and SARS virus are closely related Corona viruses. The hope is that this will at least die down, if not stop completely over the warm, long days of summer. If you look at that now familiar map of the world that shows red balls over areas of dense pockets of Covid19, one thing you notice is a lot less in the Southern Hemisphere. They were in summer down there until last week, and the weather will start cooling. We may see an increase in Covid19 in the Southern Hemisphere, and if my hope is reality, we might see a decline up here. It might at least give us a break for a few months....enough time, at least enough to get these new medicines studied better. That, plus we will know more epidemiologically and can get most of the country back to work again. Better yet, the virus just dies off, the way SARS did. Dr Fauci actually talked about that yesterday and said the same thing. We HOPE, but nobody knows....yet. ETA: it's felt that temps in the 80+ range, plus longer exposure to UV radiation (longer daylight exposure) kills the virus.
Edited by Bear 2020-03-27 10:44 PM
| |
| | |
A Somebody to Everybody
Posts: 41354
Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bear - 2020-03-27 10:40 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-27 8:48 PM
Bear - 2020-03-27 8:23 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-27 5:31 PM
This man died yesterday, hes from New Braunfels but died in a Austin hospital, he was a healthy 44 year old man NO underlying issues, he tested postive Wednesday and died the next day..
That's just incredibly sad. There are other cases like this all over the country, but so far, the vast numbers are those who fall into those high risk categories: diabetic, obese, coronary artery disease, cancer, immunocompromised, etc - particularly those over 65. The question is what is the risk to people under 65 with none of the risk factors? We really don't know what that risk is because we really do NOT know how many people have Covid19. In a few weeks we'll have a better idea. I suspect when the dust as settled the risk to people under 65 without risk factors will be closer to H1N1. Young people died from H1N1 as well, but fortunately those were rare instances. Of course, with H1N1, children under 4 and infants were in a higher risk category, along with the elderly. With Covid19, children are not at high risk. Yes, there have been a few deaths, but not at an alarming rate, like H1N1.
Question Bear, I have heard a few times that when the weather starts to warm up and stays warm there should be fewer cases of the coronavirus and the virus will start to be less and less, how does the weather have anything to do with this virus?
Good question. I think I mentioned this in another post, but it's worth repeating. When SARS (severe adult respiratory syndrome) broke out in China in the spring of 2003, over a 2-3 month span, there were 8000 cases, with 800 deaths, for a 10% mortality....ten times more lethal than Covid19. When the warmer summer months arrived, the SARS epidemic vanished. It didn't cycle back, so many feel that the warmer, longer days basically wiped it out. There have been 4-5 cases since, mostly in lab personnel working with the virus. Both Covid19 virus and SARS virus are closely related Corona viruses. The hope is that this will at least die down, if not stop completely over the warm, long days of summer. If you look at that now familiar map of the world that shows red balls over areas of dense pockets of Covid19, one thing you notice is a lot less in the Southern Hemisphere. They were in summer down there until last week, and the weather will start cooling. We may see an increase in Covid19 in the Southern Hemisphere, and if my hope is reality, we might see a decline up here. It might at least give us a break for a few months....enough time, at least enough to get these new medicines studied better. That, plus we will know more epidemiologically and can get most of the country back to work again. Better yet, the virus just dies off, the way SARS did. Dr Fauci actually talked about that yesterday and said the same thing.
We HOPE, but nobody knows....yet.
ETA: it's felt that temps in the 80+ range, plus longer exposure to UV radiation (longer daylight exposure) kills the virus.
Thank you Scott, I was wondering how the cold and heat affected this, so I hope all this does happen so we can be over with this horror/nightmare/fear. | |
| | |
A Somebody to Everybody
Posts: 41354
Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Another Question Scott, Can someone get the Virus again if have been cured once of it? Are is this a one time thing?Just wondering if you can get it over and over like the flu are a cold. | |
| | |
BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351
Location: Bastrop, Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-29 10:17 AM
Another Question Scott, Can someone get the Virus again if have been cured once of it? Are is this a one time thing?Just wondering if you can get it over and over like the flu are a cold.
That's a very smart question, Roxie. I'm not positive, but I would say it seems very unlikely. I know there are a few reported cases where someone tested positive, completely recovered, and then tested positive again. I think it's more likely an error in the testing, either by the lab tech or the kit itself. No testing is 100% reliable. Of course there may be a very rare case in which there really was a re-infection. The jury is out. What's really going to be helpful are the IgG/IgM rapid tests that are coming out over the next few days. The test will be able to give us a good idea as to who has been infected and who is recovered and immune. In an infection like Covid19, the initial response is for the B-cells to switch to cells that produce IgM against the specific virus. IgM is the kind of antibody you see first, but it typically takes at least 10 days to detect. It is a very large molecule, and it only lasts 5-6 days and starts to disappear. IgG comes along about 10-15 days later and it can last from 3-6 weeks. If you have IgM against Covid19, that means your infection is very recent, and unless you have IgG detectable, you don't know if you are immune. If you don't have IgM but you do have IgG against Covid19, then you have been infected in the past and that suggests immunity. If we widely deploy these quick tests for IgM and IgG we can learn several things. 1.) If you have been infected 2.) If you are immune. 3.) If your infection was recent (like within the past couple weeks) 4.) It will also be easy and cheap and can give us a better idea of the real incidence of Covid19 infection....as well as the real mortality rate. | |
| | |
BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351
Location: Bastrop, Texas | Also, Covid19 is an RNA virus. Those viruses are less likely to mutate than DNA virus. It's because of mutating to different strains or the inability to predict which exisisting strain of influenza virus will emerge in a given year that we have to vaccinate from one flu season to the next. I don't think we know about Covid19 yet. Maybe one vaccine will last several years, once it finally comes out. I THINK once you've recovered, you are pretty well protected after Covid19. That's the way it looks to me. Keep tabs on this, because it is a "novel" or "new" virus, so observations will be forthcoming and recommendations may very well change. | |
| | |
A Somebody to Everybody
Posts: 41354
Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bear - 2020-03-29 12:43 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-29 10:17 AM
Another Question Scott, Can someone get the Virus again if have been cured once of it? Are is this a one time thing?Just wondering if you can get it over and over like the flu are a cold.
That's a very smart question, Roxie. I'm not positive, but I would say it seems very unlikely. I know there are a few reported cases where someone tested positive, completely recovered, and then tested positive again. I think it's more likely an error in the testing, either by the lab tech or the kit itself. No testing is 100% reliable. Of course there may be a very rare case in which there really was a re-infection. The jury is out.
What's really going to be helpful are the IgG/IgM rapid tests that are coming out over the next few days. The test will be able to give us a good idea as to who has been infected and who is recovered and immune. In an infection like Covid19, the initial response is for the B-cells to switch to cells that produce IgM against the specific virus. IgM is the kind of antibody you see first, but it typically takes at least 10 days to detect. It is a very large molecule, and it only lasts 5-6 days and starts to disappear. IgG comes along about 10-15 days later and it can last from 3-6 weeks. If you have IgM against Covid19, that means your infection is very recent, and unless you have IgG detectable, you don't know if you are immune. If you don't have IgM but you do have IgG against Covid19, then you have been infected in the past and that suggests immunity. If we widely deploy these quick tests for IgM and IgG we can learn several things. 1.) If you have been infected 2.) If you are immune. 3.) If your infection was recent (like within the past couple weeks) 4.) It will also be easy and cheap and can give us a better idea of the real incidence of Covid19 infection....as well as the real mortality rate.
Thank you Scott, you can really answer questions the way I can understand.  | |
| | |
My Heart Be Happy
Posts: 9159
Location: Arkansas | Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-29 1:12 PM
Bear - 2020-03-29 12:43 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-29 10:17 AM
Another Question Scott, Can someone get the Virus again if have been cured once of it? Are is this a one time thing?Just wondering if you can get it over and over like the flu are a cold.
That's a very smart question, Roxie. I'm not positive, but I would say it seems very unlikely. I know there are a few reported cases where someone tested positive, completely recovered, and then tested positive again. I think it's more likely an error in the testing, either by the lab tech or the kit itself. No testing is 100% reliable. Of course there may be a very rare case in which there really was a re-infection. The jury is out.
What's really going to be helpful are the IgG/IgM rapid tests that are coming out over the next few days. The test will be able to give us a good idea as to who has been infected and who is recovered and immune. In an infection like Covid19, the initial response is for the B-cells to switch to cells that produce IgM against the specific virus. IgM is the kind of antibody you see first, but it typically takes at least 10 days to detect. It is a very large molecule, and it only lasts 5-6 days and starts to disappear. IgG comes along about 10-15 days later and it can last from 3-6 weeks. If you have IgM against Covid19, that means your infection is very recent, and unless you have IgG detectable, you don't know if you are immune. If you don't have IgM but you do have IgG against Covid19, then you have been infected in the past and that suggests immunity. If we widely deploy these quick tests for IgM and IgG we can learn several things. 1.) If you have been infected 2.) If you are immune. 3.) If your infection was recent (like within the past couple weeks) 4.) It will also be easy and cheap and can give us a better idea of the real incidence of Covid19 infection....as well as the real mortality rate.
Thank you Scott, you can really answer questions the way I can understand.
Smart and needed info at a time like this for sure. Thanks Mr Scott. | |
| |
| |
Folks on-line