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Location: ND | TurnLane - 2013-08-23 11:06 AM tracies - 2013-08-23 9:17 AM Speaking from spectators point of view, I am really excited to see the BEST competitors in this rodeo, not just the best members of the WPRA and PRCA. I don't really care how they qualify them, or if they invite them, as long as I get my money's worth. I want to see the best barrel racing I have ever seen. I'm a fan, and follow the futurity trainers, but rarely get to see them compete, so to see them compete against the best of the WPRA would be a dream. I also want to see the BEST BARREL HORSES compete here. I would love to go to the semi finals in Mesquite, then to the finals in Arlington. (Don't know if I will get to go to Mesquite, but I definitely will try ) I really used to think that I would love to have the NFR come to Cowboys Stadium, but this is SO MUCH BETTER! 
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Location: Beggs, OK | rodeowithjoker - 2013-08-23 11:58 AM TurnLane - 2013-08-23 11:09 AM rodeowithjoker - 2013-08-23 8:20 AM I was getting excited and thinking I'd for sure go to the Lincoln Barrel Bash this year but then I saw that its a $500 entry fee to run in their qualifier race. I was hoping it was just part of the Barrel Bash or had a smaller entry fee......$100 maybe but I don't see any way "normal" people could (or would be willing to) swing $500.  I guess you could look at it like an oppurtunity to win HUGE $$$ and not haul like the rodeo girls do? $500 once beats all the rodeos, miles, ect week after week to make the finals of an event of this magnitude. It will certainly eliminate those who dont think they can win or risk the fees to do so. Â
The people who have a horse capable and the will to win will figure out how to get there and not think twice about the entry fee. Futurity fees are usually much more than that.
The NCHA Futurity is $2,635 to enter this year.
I had another thought after I hit submit.... This is about RODEO...not a jackpot so that you can draw a thousand people who want to participate just so that they can say that they did. This is about putting your money up and proving who is the BEST...not just who fell in the right division. Fantastic idea that will be great for our sport. Mercy please don't let anyone try and turn it into a divisional race.
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Location: ND | Mainer-racer - 2013-08-23 8:49 AM Did you also hear about the "exceptions"? Something like they will "invite" certain barrel racers/competitors if they don't qualify? They mentioned Charmayne James could get an invite where she has such a huge fan base. They said...this rodeo is for the "fans" and they want to make sure they have competitors that the fans want to watch? I was confused on that too!
if they want to make it an event that attracts fans and sponsors, they have to provide what the fans want......rodeo is a sport like any other .....without fans and sponsors willing to spend big money, all you have left is a little event with a limited demographic of fans and sponsors.......which sounds like..... |
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Location: Oklahoma | Mainer-racer - 2013-08-23 8:49 AM Did you also hear about the "exceptions"? Something like they will "invite" certain barrel racers/competitors if they don't qualify? They mentioned Charmayne James could get an invite where she has such a huge fan base. They said...this rodeo is for the "fans" and they want to make sure they have competitors that the fans want to watch? I was confused on that too!
The way I read it the current BBR World Champion will get an automatic bid to the Semi-Finals as one of the "exceptions". |
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Location: Deep South | rodeowithjoker - 2013-08-23 11:58 AM TurnLane - 2013-08-23 11:09 AM rodeowithjoker - 2013-08-23 8:20 AM I was getting excited and thinking I'd for sure go to the Lincoln Barrel Bash this year but then I saw that its a $500 entry fee to run in their qualifier race. I was hoping it was just part of the Barrel Bash or had a smaller entry fee......$100 maybe but I don't see any way "normal" people could (or would be willing to) swing $500. I guess you could look at it like an oppurtunity to win HUGE $$$ and not haul like the rodeo girls do? $500 once beats all the rodeos, miles, ect week after week to make the finals of an event of this magnitude. It will certainly eliminate those who dont think they can win or risk the fees to do so.
I think it will only weed out the ones they intended to in the first place. This event is wanting to draw in THE BEST horses and riders in the country. The ones who are truly at the top of their game. The teams that can compete at that level won't blink an eye at that entry fee for the chance to compete at that kind of money. The WPRA slot race had $1500 entry fees and wasn't paying back nearly this much money. Futurities are a much bigger more expensive risk than this rodeo and plenty of people run them. I think they needed to set it high enough to know who was serious enough about it, so not just anyone would enter. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | TurnLane - 2013-08-23 11:09 AM rodeowithjoker - 2013-08-23 8:20 AM I was getting excited and thinking I'd for sure go to the Lincoln Barrel Bash this year but then I saw that its a $500 entry fee to run in their qualifier race. I was hoping it was just part of the Barrel Bash or had a smaller entry fee......$100 maybe but I don't see any way "normal" people could (or would be willing to) swing $500. I guess you could look at it like an oppurtunity to win HUGE $$$ and not haul like the rodeo girls do? $500 once beats all the rodeos, miles, ect week after week to make the finals of an event of this magnitude. It will certainly eliminate those who dont think they can win or risk the fees to do so.
So this will be sanctioned with the PRCA/WPRA to count money won towards the NFR? |
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| BamaCanChaser - 2013-08-23 2:57 PM rodeowithjoker - 2013-08-23 11:58 AM TurnLane - 2013-08-23 11:09 AM rodeowithjoker - 2013-08-23 8:20 AM I was getting excited and thinking I'd for sure go to the Lincoln Barrel Bash this year but then I saw that its a $500 entry fee to run in their qualifier race. I was hoping it was just part of the Barrel Bash or had a smaller entry fee......$100 maybe but I don't see any way "normal" people could (or would be willing to) swing $500. I guess you could look at it like an oppurtunity to win HUGE $$$ and not haul like the rodeo girls do? $500 once beats all the rodeos, miles, ect week after week to make the finals of an event of this magnitude. It will certainly eliminate those who dont think they can win or risk the fees to do so. I think it will only weed out the ones they intended to in the first place. This event is wanting to draw in THE BEST horses and riders in the country. The ones who are truly at the top of their game. The teams that can compete at that level won't blink an eye at that entry fee for the chance to compete at that kind of money. The WPRA slot race had $1500 entry fees and wasn't paying back nearly this much money. Futurities are a much bigger more expensive risk than this rodeo and plenty of people run them. I think they needed to set it high enough to know who was serious enough about it, so not just anyone would enter.
I agree. I think you will see lots of entries. There is plenty of top talent out there that does not haul, it will be exciting to follow. The $$ they make from the qualifying rounds I bet more than covers the $1 million. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2013-08-23 3:11 PM TurnLane - 2013-08-23 11:09 AM rodeowithjoker - 2013-08-23 8:20 AM I was getting excited and thinking I'd for sure go to the Lincoln Barrel Bash this year but then I saw that its a $500 entry fee to run in their qualifier race. I was hoping it was just part of the Barrel Bash or had a smaller entry fee......$100 maybe but I don't see any way "normal" people could (or would be willing to) swing $500. I guess you could look at it like an oppurtunity to win HUGE $$$ and not haul like the rodeo girls do? $500 once beats all the rodeos, miles, ect week after week to make the finals of an event of this magnitude. It will certainly eliminate those who dont think they can win or risk the fees to do so.
I didnt read the details but I doubt it. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | rachellyn80 - 2013-08-23 2:05 PM rodeowithjoker - 2013-08-23 11:58 AM TurnLane - 2013-08-23 11:09 AM rodeowithjoker - 2013-08-23 8:20 AM I was getting excited and thinking I'd for sure go to the Lincoln Barrel Bash this year but then I saw that its a $500 entry fee to run in their qualifier race. I was hoping it was just part of the Barrel Bash or had a smaller entry fee......$100 maybe but I don't see any way "normal" people could (or would be willing to) swing $500. I guess you could look at it like an oppurtunity to win HUGE $$$ and not haul like the rodeo girls do? $500 once beats all the rodeos, miles, ect week after week to make the finals of an event of this magnitude. It will certainly eliminate those who dont think they can win or risk the fees to do so.
The NCHA Futurity is $2,635 to enter this year. I had another thought after I hit submit.... This is about RODEO...not a jackpot so that you can draw a thousand people who want to participate just so that they can say that they did. This is about putting your money up and proving who is the BEST...not just who fell in the right division. Fantastic idea that will be great for our sport. Mercy please don't let anyone try and turn it into a divisional race.
I agree 150%. Im excited to see the knife fight that this turns those 5 qualifier races in to! People that could never dream of making the NFR- yet have that one special horse- have a chance. Even the men have a chance. I like the whole idea of events. I plan to be there to watch!! |
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| rodeowithjoker - 2013-08-23 6:20 AM
I was getting excited and thinking I'd for sure go to the Lincoln Barrel Bash this year but then I saw that its a $500 entry fee to run in their qualifier race. I was hoping it was just part of the Barrel Bash or had a smaller entry fee......$100 maybe but I don't see any way "normal" people could (or would be willing to) swing $500. Â
A normal entry fee for a pro rodeo is right around $100 when they have $2000 added. Salinas was $400 and they had around 125 girls this year. Futurity entry fees are $600 and up with the slot races being $5000. Those people won't bat an eye. Their intent is not to have the "normal" people. They want the people who can compete and those people won't give a second thought to paying that $500 entry fee because they know they have a horse that can win at at level.
What will be interesting is seeing if the top 4D horses can run in the "rodeo" atmosphere. It's quite different to run on bad ground with a lot of distractions around the arena than at a 4D barrel race with perfect ground and some music playing. No matter how hard they try, the ground will not be like it is at the barrel races unless they set up a separate arena for the barrel race only, or run the barrel race first. After you have everyone tromping around on the ground for a couple hours before you run barrels at a rodeo in a performance it changes a bit! |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | I agree with you completely about the differences of rodeo vs 4d. But I have seen it time and time again, the top rodeo horses running in the 2d at the largest 4d races around so it really goes both ways-I respect them all. And ONE run in ONE day- against the top futurity horses or great old horses owned by those who dont care to haul and the NFR girls-- its gonna be a blood bath. I cant wait to watch. |
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| TurnLane - 2013-08-23 2:41 PM
I agree with you completely about the differences of rodeo vs 4d. But I have seen it time and time again, the top rodeo horses running in the 2d at the largest 4d races around so it really goes both ways-I respect them all. And ONE run in ONE day- against the top futurity horses or great old horses owned by those who dont care to haul and the NFR girls-- its gonna be a blood bath. I cant wait to watch. Â
This is ture about the rodeo horses running in the 2D, but they are making the 4D horses run on the rodeo horse's "turf" so to speak. So the 4D and futurity horses are kind of at a disadvantage being taken out of their normal atmosphere where they are used to excelling. Not that they can't step it up and run in the rodeo atmosphere, it's just not their normal, where is it normal for the Top 10 NFR qualifiers that are invited.
What they really need to do is have a race where there is an average, and one run takes place at a rodeo, and the other with a normal 4D race type of set up. Therefore, each horse gets a chance to compete on their own "turf" so to speak. That is a whole other competition though! |
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| rodeowithjoker - 2013-08-23 7:20 AM
I was getting excited and thinking I'd for sure go to the Lincoln Barrel Bash this year but then I saw that its a $500 entry fee to run in their qualifier race. I was hoping it was just part of the Barrel Bash or had a smaller entry fee......$100 maybe but I don't see any way "normal" people could (or would be willing to) swing $500. Â
Honestly I don't think there intent was for "normal" people to come. They want the best of the best!! And $500 is nothing if you have ever entered a futurity!! Between entries, stalls, side pots etc, $500 is a normal weekend.
$500 entries will just weed out the people who are not serious...
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Location: PA | Wow, this sounds like it will be amazing!!  What a great event, reminds me of match races where they run all of the best horses in a race together. Can't wait to watch! |
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| rodeowithjoker - 2013-08-23 8:20 AM I was getting excited and thinking I'd for sure go to the Lincoln Barrel Bash this year but then I saw that its a $500 entry fee to run in their qualifier race. I was hoping it was just part of the Barrel Bash or had a smaller entry fee......$100 maybe but I don't see any way "normal" people could (or would be willing to) swing $500. Â
If I thought I could win it, I'd scrape up the cash and go for it. I would take out a personal loan, borrow from family/friends, put it on a credit card, whatever it took if I was confident I had a chance to win.
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| ACEINTHEHOLE - 2013-08-23 3:11 PM TurnLane - 2013-08-23 11:09 AM rodeowithjoker - 2013-08-23 8:20 AM I was getting excited and thinking I'd for sure go to the Lincoln Barrel Bash this year but then I saw that its a $500 entry fee to run in their qualifier race. I was hoping it was just part of the Barrel Bash or had a smaller entry fee......$100 maybe but I don't see any way "normal" people could (or would be willing to) swing $500.  I guess you could look at it like an oppurtunity to win HUGE $$$ and not haul like the rodeo girls do? $500 once beats all the rodeos, miles, ect week after week to make the finals of an event of this magnitude. It will certainly eliminate those who dont think they can win or risk the fees to do so. Â
No this will not be counting toward the NFR as far as I can tell. It is not a WPRA/PRCA sanctioned event. The top 10 from the WPRA/PRCA will be automatically qualified to compete if they wish. If they decline, then they will move down the list to the next person. They are just using it as a draw for the best of all possible sanctioning associations........ Those from the WPRA/PRCA, PBR, BBR, USTRC, Calf roping whatever association......the roughstock association, & then whatever they do for the steer wrestling since they have no other association.Â
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | 3 To Go - 2013-08-23 4:50 PM TurnLane - 2013-08-23 2:41 PM I agree with you completely about the differences of rodeo vs 4d. But I have seen it time and time again, the top rodeo horses running in the 2d at the largest 4d races around so it really goes both ways-I respect them all. And ONE run in ONE day- against the top futurity horses or great old horses owned by those who dont care to haul and the NFR girls-- its gonna be a blood bath. I cant wait to watch. This is ture about the rodeo horses running in the 2D, but they are making the 4D horses run on the rodeo horse's "turf" so to speak. So the 4D and futurity horses are kind of at a disadvantage being taken out of their normal atmosphere where they are used to excelling. Not that they can't step it up and run in the rodeo atmosphere, it's just not their normal, where is it normal for the Top 10 NFR qualifiers that are invited. What they really need to do is have a race where there is an average, and one run takes place at a rodeo, and the other with a normal 4D race type of set up. Therefore, each horse gets a chance to compete on their own "turf" so to speak. That is a whole other competition though!
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| The entry fees have to be big to help cushion that kind of payout. Also, it will keep the number of contestants down somewhat so the qualifier events won't go on for days and days. If it was a cheap fee, can you imagine how long it would take to get through a qualifier barrel race? LOL
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| They also said the only events with an age limit were the roughstock events with a minimum of age 18. I guess someone under the age of 18 could qualify in the other events as long as the original sanctioning organization allows minors to compete. There could be some kids in this deal too. |
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| 3 To Go - 2013-08-23 4:50 PM TurnLane - 2013-08-23 2:41 PM I agree with you completely about the differences of rodeo vs 4d. But I have seen it time and time again, the top rodeo horses running in the 2d at the largest 4d races around so it really goes both ways-I respect them all. And ONE run in ONE day- against the top futurity horses or great old horses owned by those who dont care to haul and the NFR girls-- its gonna be a blood bath. I cant wait to watch. This is ture about the rodeo horses running in the 2D, but they are making the 4D horses run on the rodeo horse's "turf" so to speak. So the 4D and futurity horses are kind of at a disadvantage being taken out of their normal atmosphere where they are used to excelling. Not that they can't step it up and run in the rodeo atmosphere, it's just not their normal, where is it normal for the Top 10 NFR qualifiers that are invited. What they really need to do is have a race where there is an average, and one run takes place at a rodeo, and the other with a normal 4D race type of set up. Therefore, each horse gets a chance to compete on their own "turf" so to speak. That is a whole other competition though!
I think those top futurity & 4D trainers and riders will bring the horse who can handle anything. They are business people. They know how to win. They often train horses who transition easily into the rodeo atmosphere. I think those trainers will be thrilled with this opportunity. On RFD-TV, Robin from the BBR called in and said Lance Graves, Talmadge Green, and I can't remember who else already told her they couldn't wait to run at one of the qualifiers. |
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