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Location: South Georgia Good o'l USA | JMHO...after several years of having them as race horses and trying some as barrel horse prospects, I wouldn't own another bred too close on the bottom side...yes, they are faster than most..and why we love them for the track but they can be just too darn hot for repetitive barrel racing...that said...I own one now a ways back on the top side that I wouldn't trade the world for.
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 "Drank the Kool Aid"
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Location: Iowa, LA | casualdust07 - 2013-11-24 6:36 PM I pulled them up on all breed and did a hypo mating just to have both of their pedigrees back to back to see if there were any common ancestors. all breed didn't pick up any similar heritage at all between them. So, if it is genetic and I agree it most likely is, I think there's a lot more that needs to be done before we speculate specific horses as carriers. I definitely agree that they will find a genetic link with PSSM type 2. I just don't think there's enough evidence yet to pin point a specific animal as a source of it. Who's to say the 3YO didn't get it from the Flit to Kill side? ETA- it very well may also be an environmental deal. What if nutrition has to do with them developing the condition? or something in utero? who knows. There's many conditions that we can create, or trigger…
I understand what you are saying. The Flit To Kill side actually has some suspect PSSM Type 1. The only reason I say Beduino is because of the feedback I have gotten from trainers. Now does Flit To Kill have bucking issues? I've had some adamantly tell me no. Do you have some experience with them? They certainly may be carriers of one or the other. I've just read even more evidence on Type 2 coming from TB's. There are now 6 pedigrees listed on FB positive for Type 2.
As far as my mare goes, I have no idea of any of those horses being known buckers. Do you see anything? |
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Location: southeast Texas | On Flit to kill,,,, he goes back to yellow jacket several times, top and bottom. And I saw Mittie Stephens SUSPECTED PSSM horses.
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Location: sunny california | annemarea - 2013-11-24 4:50 PM
casualdust07 - 2013-11-24 6:36 PM I pulled them up on all breed and did a hypo mating just to have both of their pedigrees back to back to see if there were any common ancestors. all breed didn't pick up any similar heritage at all between them. So, if it is genetic and I agree it most likely is, I think there's a lot more that needs to be done before we speculate specific horses as carriers. I definitely agree that they will find a genetic link with PSSM type 2. I just don't think there's enough evidence yet to pin point a specific animal as a source of it. Who's to say the 3YO didn't get it from the Flit to Kill side? ETA- it very well may also be an environmental deal. What if nutrition has to do with them developing the condition? or something in utero? who knows. There's many conditions that we can create, or trigger…
 I understand what you are saying. The Flit To Kill side actually has some suspect PSSM Type 1. The only reason I say Beduino is because of the feedback I have gotten from trainers. Now does Flit To Kill have bucking issues? I've had some adamantly tell me no. Do you have some experience with them? They certainly may be carriers of one or the other. I've just read even more evidence on Type 2 coming from TB's.  There are now 6 pedigrees listed on FB positive for Type 2.
As far as my mare goes, I have no idea of any of those horses being known buckers. Do you see anything?
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"Drank the Kool Aid"
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Location: Iowa, LA | roxieannie - 2013-11-24 7:23 PM
 On Flit to kill,,,, he goes back to yellow jacket several times, top and bottom. And I saw Mittie Stephens SUSPECTED PSSM horses.
Which is Type 1, right? |
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"Drank the Kool Aid"
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Location: Iowa, LA | kwanatha - 2013-11-24 7:29 PM
annemarea - 2013-11-24 4:50 PM
casualdust07 - 2013-11-24 6:36 PM I pulled them up on all breed and did a hypo mating just to have both of their pedigrees back to back to see if there were any common ancestors. all breed didn't pick up any similar heritage at all between them. So, if it is genetic and I agree it most likely is, I think there's a lot more that needs to be done before we speculate specific horses as carriers. I definitely agree that they will find a genetic link with PSSM type 2. I just don't think there's enough evidence yet to pin point a specific animal as a source of it. Who's to say the 3YO didn't get it from the Flit to Kill side? ETA- it very well may also be an environmental deal. What if nutrition has to do with them developing the condition? or something in utero? who knows. There's many conditions that we can create, or trigger…
 I understand what you are saying. The Flit To Kill side actually has some suspect PSSM Type 1. The only reason I say Beduino is because of the feedback I have gotten from trainers. Now does Flit To Kill have bucking issues? I've had some adamantly tell me no. Do you have some experience with them? They certainly may be carriers of one or the other. I've just read even more evidence on Type 2 coming from TB's.  There are now 6 pedigrees listed on FB positive for Type 2.
As far as my mare goes, I have no idea of any of those horses being known buckers. Do you see anything?
mighty deck WRD
Again, that's Type 1. |
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  Bye-Bye Jiggle
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Location: Where ever there's sunshine! | This guy is fresh off the track and has a 91 si....but there was something about the tracks that made his si not sucha big deal. Either way, hes been a doll to deal with, but I haven't got to ride him yet. Have to wait for his leg to heal. He got caught up in a fence and then took an arse whoopin from another gelding and ripped himself away. I'm headed home for the holidys so hoepfully I'll get to ride him a little by the end of the year. The trainer that handled him said hes pretty easygoijjng and doesnt give them any fuss. However, I was walkin him around and he started acting like a fool. Apparently I was walking him the same direction they walk him when they were headed to the track. Hmm....yeah, he gonna be a handful once he figures out whats going on. |
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 You get what you give
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Location: Texas | OP I apologize for your thread turning into a PSSM debate! |
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You get what you give
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Location: Texas | annemarea - 2013-11-24 6:50 PM
casualdust07 - 2013-11-24 6:36 PM I pulled them up on all breed and did a hypo mating just to have both of their pedigrees back to back to see if there were any common ancestors. all breed didn't pick up any similar heritage at all between them. So, if it is genetic and I agree it most likely is, I think there's a lot more that needs to be done before we speculate specific horses as carriers. I definitely agree that they will find a genetic link with PSSM type 2. I just don't think there's enough evidence yet to pin point a specific animal as a source of it. Who's to say the 3YO didn't get it from the Flit to Kill side? ETA- it very well may also be an environmental deal. What if nutrition has to do with them developing the condition? or something in utero? who knows. There's many conditions that we can create, or trigger…
 I understand what you are saying. The Flit To Kill side actually has some suspect PSSM Type 1. The only reason I say Beduino is because of the feedback I have gotten from trainers. Now does Flit To Kill have bucking issues? I've had some adamantly tell me no. Do you have some experience with them? They certainly may be carriers of one or the other. I've just read even more evidence on Type 2 coming from TB's.  There are now 6 pedigrees listed on FB positive for Type 2.
As far as my mare goes, I have no idea of any of those horses being known buckers. Do you see anything?
I have no idea. I don't attribute bucking and all behavior all to PSSM. I think there are a ton of reasons for ill behavior and PSSM might be one of those many many causes.
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Dog Resuce Agent
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Location: southeast Texas | annemarea - 2013-11-24 7:29 PM roxieannie - 2013-11-24 7:23 PM On Flit to kill,,,, he goes back to yellow jacket several times, top and bottom. And I saw Mittie Stephens SUSPECTED PSSM horses. Which is Type 1, right?
I would assume, type 1. They just say suspected carriers. |
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| Love my Beduino girl!!!! Easiest horse to train and loves people! She is a granddaughter of Beduino and a pretty grey!  |
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Bye-Bye Jiggle
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Location: Where ever there's sunshine! | casualdust07 - 2013-11-24 7:50 PM
OP I apologize for your thread turning into a PSSM debate!
HAHA no big deal...its a learning point! |
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Location: California | I have a grandson, Beduino on the top. He really didn't enjoy barrels, then took a bad fall at a race and got pretty scared. I could never really get him back after that. His heart just wasn't in it. On top of that, he has navicular issues. I ended up just turning him out and keeping him as a pasture pet. He is a kind hearted creature, who is just a good guy to have around. |
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Location: Far North! | They do respond better to kindness and once they know what you want they will give you 110%.
Fast, strong and tuff.
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| I have a Beduino grandson that is priceless to me. I'm glad I have him a chance before reading all these threads. |
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| Lovin Life - 2013-11-24 2:29 PM
Love, Love, Love!!! Mine has such a huge heart! Very "know it all" mentality, show him once and he thinks he's an NFR horse. lol Very kind, athletic, and can fly!Â
VERY TRUE!!
If you have to learn how to ride a fast, hard turning and hard gathering horse .... then a Beduino bred horse is NOT FOR YOU.
I love the Royal Quick Dash, Royal Shake Em, This Snow Is Royal, Dashing Cleat, Chicks Beduino and Mr Eye Opener horses for their alertness, quick learning, gentleness and knowing their jobs !! Any horse that is legged up, well fed, well trained and on the muscle is going to be ready to go make their runs at top speed and requires a rider with the skills and reflexes to keep pace for 18 seconds or less!!
Take a look at the different races at the ELITE EXTRAVAGANZA races in Waco last week and pay attention to the money up close Beduino bred horses took home. The times were fast with a new arena record being set and the riders came to win and were hungry to take home the cash .... with almost a 1000 horses competing ... one wrong wiggle would take you out of the winners circle!!
Work on your horsemanship skills and move up in the competition and give everyone a run for the money while riding one of these fast Beduino bred horses ....
BARREL HORSE REPORT ....>>>> http://www.barrelracingreport.com/issues/11_19_13_BarrelRacingRepor...
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 Shelter Dog Hero
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Location: Mississippi | I have a mare that is traces to Beduino through Runaway Winner. She is as good a horse as a person could want. She was 1D/2D barrels and 20 second poles before retiring at a young age to be a babysitter for those learning to ride and run barrels. She is the only horse that a special needs kid can ride by herself. She is as good as gold and dead honest. If a beginner pulls the wrong way, she still just gets in the right position and turns the barrel for them. As a side note...she does not have PSSM.
She is bred to have a foal that will add some DTF to her bloodlines. If the baby is half as honest as her, I will have a good one. |
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | You know I hate to be the one that says just because of breeding all horses are this this or that, but honestly. I'm starting to fall into that category a little! I had a Corona Czech mare that I really liked! Now granted beduino was a little far back on her but we got a long well.
Right now I have a great grandson of beduino that is double beduino on top on his papers out of a Strawflyin Buds mare and I wont lie this little booger drives me up the wall. He's argumentative about everything. I could ask as quiet and gentle as someone can and still not get him to cooperate. He's a bull headed SOB.
But he wont stop me from getting another beduino bred horse down the line. I liked the mare I had and would definitely give them another go. |
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Location: In a happy place | I forgot to add but see that others have......they are really people oriented horses. They very attached to the people in their lives. |
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Location: MS | I just bought a 3yr old filly that is a granddaughter of Chicks Beduino on the sires side and so far I absolutely love her! She's my first ever to own with Beduino in her lines and for months I wouldn't even inquire on her because of everything I read on here, but something told me I should, so I did. After I rode her, I could tell she was a fit for me and so far she has really impressed me. She has so much try and want to and everything she's been shown, she takes right to it and just seems so happy to work for you. It doesn't matter if I ride her daily or once a week, she's the same horse and that is actually what sold me on her. First time I rode her was at a show, her first time ever to be in a crowd, had not been ridden for two weeks prior by owners, and she acted like a seasoned horse. Even got ran into by a couple of youths (small warm up area) and she never faultered. First time to do exh was at a big show and she had to wait in holding pen forever and she just hung out like it was no big deal and took it all in stride. Love, love her! |
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