Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-27 8:10 AM Nancy,
Please point out where I said it was one party or the other.  Oh thats right I did NOT!  I said STATES.    We actually have both parties in our state and they managed to sit down like adults and make it work.  What a concept.

But if you want to continue to point fingers.  What did the R's suggest?   Where was their magical plan?   Now they say repeal and ............... do what?   Leave the insurance companies to run the system?  Let them continue to play on the fears of the consumer and raise rates yet deny payment of services? 

And it is beyond me how any citizen could not be concerned about the health care mess we have been in for many, many years.  70% off bankruptcy caused by medical bills.  Why is it no one screamed the sky is falling when Romney Care was implemented?  Or did it work and the other side just didn't want to admit it?

The loopholes you are so fond of are being used by the INSURANCE companies.  Should some of them be changed?  Probably.  But at least be honest that it is the Insurance companies using every legal loophole they can find to charge more, offer less and point fingers.

karen

HotbearLVR - 2013-12-27 7:53 AM Good morning. Karen. I would say the "WWJD" cliche' is a deflection, if anything. I have gone into extensive detail for years on BHW about the problems with healthcare and how it can be fixed. Government controlled healthcare is not the answer. You know darned well that ObamaCare is merely a stage in the eventual "transformation" into a single payor system. I think this chaos and anger is by design, if you ask me. Obama has said that his ultimate goal is socialized medicine. This has the "appearance" of private sector, but that is a stepping stone and you know it. You selectively use anecdotes, but you conveniently omit the anecdotes of the people whose lives have been all but decimated by ObamaCare. Every single time I have pointed out how you never criticise a liberal-progressive politician you side step that issue. At least there are liberals out there who are disgusted with this whole fiasco.

HotbearLVR - 2013-12-26 8:41 PM  And what do we hear from the Obama voters on here?

Crickets.

Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-27 8:29 AM Like it or not Doc I do ask WWJD.  It is part of my relationship with my God.  You can call it a deflection if you like.   Does not make it so.



Yes you have gone on and on and on  about YOUR solutions.  But have you actually sat down with a politican to discuss it?   



I notice you conveniently don't want to discuss the insane prices for drugs, the corp buy out of community hospitals, etc.  Skip the root of the problem and jump directly to the political party.  

You want to rail about your experience with socialized medicine.  Yet you seem rather silent about the FACT that insurance companies have held citizens hostage in their care for decades.  



karen



 

jettster - 2013-12-27 9:04 AM Well. I am losing my SCI on Jan 1st... I went to the "exchanges" I refused to give my name, and all they wanted to know was how much money I make, which varies as I am boarding horses.. I make too much for Medicaid, and am in the "middle" as far as income.. The only quote I could get out of 4 places was BCBS... $485.00 month (silver plan) $3.000 deductible, and $35.00 co-pays.. That's almost as much as what I pay for my mortgage!! I had a routine mammogram last monday ..along with my developmentally disabled sister. I got a phone call.. My sisters is fine. They want me back.. I won't have insurance after the 1st. So they can't get me in before that. There's no funding left for breast cancer screenings, no indigent funds.. nothing after the first, due to the ACA law.and the guidelines.. So, looks like I won't get to find out what the Dr. read, because, I cannot afford it. SURE, If I quit working, I can get "free healthcare" ,but the government will want to collect my assets after I die. That's been in place for a while.. Ain't nothing free... I have a friend who survived breast cancer, who lost her job, due to Obamacare, and she now cannot afford the 10.000 out of pocket costs, for routine medical ...every 3 months she has to go in. So, if she gets breast cancer again.. she has already stated ,, it'll be a death sentence.. What it appears to me is this wonderful. caring administration... WANTS people to quit working and become wards of the state.. Not a good thing. Thank you for letting me rant.... It angers me what this country is becoming..

angelica - 2013-12-26 6:16 PM My turn! We went from $750 a month, $300 deductable and insurance pays 90. TO $1650 a month, $5000 deductable, insurance pays 80%. We were warned after 14 months it will go up to $2200 a month, $10,000. deductable and insurance pays 80% for Family of 5! Obama did this for the low income adults to get medicaid! In the past it was just children and pregnant women. He set it up so this country is forced to pay for all the adults that have no insurance. Well guess what the insurance company is sticking it to the people who do! The minority now have health insurance to add to the free ride they are owed right?

dhdqhllc - 2013-12-27 9:07 AM  -there are more uninsured now than before ACA



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Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-27 8:29 AM  I notice you conveniently don't want to discuss the insane prices for drugs, the corp buy out of community hospitals, etc.  Skip the root of the problem and jump directly to the political party.  

You want to rail about your experience with socialized medicine.  Yet you seem rather silent about the FACT that insurance companies have held citizens hostage in their care for decades.  



karen



 

RLB - 2013-12-27 9:45 AM I want an insurance policy that costs me $100/month, $10/co-pay with $1000/deductible = A 1D/rodeo winning automatic horse with no health or soundness issues for $2500. Come on, people. I posted earlier that my mom's premium & deductible tripled. She is a 58 year old married woman who works part-time as a nurse & pulls in a couple thousand a month. Maybe. She pays her own individual insurance herself. She, as a POST-MENOPAUSAL WOMAN, HAS TO PAY FOR MATERNITY INSURANCE. She might as well pay for prostate insurance too! That is just ONE thing that was added to her existing plan, that she was perfectly happy with, that she CANNOT opt out of! Just one thing...there are many other things! She is a nurse. She said that in the almost 10 years she has been nursing, the amount of people who are completely abusing the system has multiplied so that almost 1/3 of her patients shouldn't even be there. Like the homeless woman who is admitted regularly but after countless tests they can't find why she is 'in pain'. Or the cocaine addict whose heart is blown up so he is on the list for surgery. Or the woman whose abusive boyfriend moves into the hospital room with her, ordering food from the cafeteria every hour & screaming at every male that walks within 10 feet of her door. Let's not forget the families who can't let 95-year-old grandma, who doesn't even know who she is, just die in peace; let's rip her chest open for heart surgery to keep her alive (& in even more pain) for another year. ALL OF THIS IS ON THE TAXPAYERS. So please, people (person...) who LOVE the system, explain to me how this helps those of us who are rarely sick, rarely go to the doctor & generally only need insurance for checkups. The middle class is being sucked dry, while the poor pay for nothing & the rich don't mind because they can afford it. Don't even get me started on the 'estate tax'. The middle class is going to turn into the poor & then we will have poor & rich. That is it. Thank you, stupid stupid people.

teehaha - 2013-12-28 8:37 AM



 WOW.....so what happens if you just flat can't afford those premiums??  Are you forced into Medicaid


 

Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-27 8:34 AM  As usual you deflect.  So funny that you continue to screech Progressive mind set.  One size does not fit all in the Democratic party.   But I suspect you actually know that.  It is easier to call names than address the issues.



You seem to have a rather short memory.  I have more than once discussed the broken system in Washington.  But I tend to actually get involved in my community and state.  I respect those who stand up and work to fix the system, not just spout off on a forum. No matter which side of the isle they are on. 



If you had actually read my post you would see that I am not happy with the insanely high policies some are being sold.  But again that could have been differant if more of the states had actually worked to set up an exchange like CO and others did.  You would also have read that I was basically held hostage by my previous insurance company.  Pay an insane premium for basically zip. 



As long as we claim to be a Christian nation we had better learn to walk the walk. 



I have seen two patients DENIED chemo because of their insurance company.  Tell me what is right about that.   At $18,000 a treatment that leaves those patients few choices.   I have a good friend who had her pelvis shattered last year.  Her Insurance company denied her PT and she was dismissed from the hospital with literally NO place to go due to the injuries.  This happened with less than 24 hours notice.  How about the child in my community that needs a transplant but has to wait to be put on the list.  Because now the family is required to raise $25,000 before getting on the list. (I have seen the paperwork)  Do I need to go on Doc.?  These are not illegals, or dead beats.  These are hard working, middle class families.  And I could care less what letter is on their voter ID card. 



You do not want to address the insane drug expenses.  How about the MIL dollar bonuses for insurance execs?  While the middle class in this country declares bankruptcy at an alarming rate due to medical expenses.  How about why are hospitals becoming mega corporations that do little for the community but increase prices. 



At the end of the day I will continue to first ask WWJD.  



karen