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Location: Iowa, LA | When I spoke to AQHA about printing the results on papers, they said they are having to redo their program that prints them, but it will be done in the future. Just not sure how long that will be. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | Cool.
I talked AQHA again just now. He said they will NOT automatically be sending a "hard copy" to the owner. But will if it is requested. They will send the results in an email. (If they have your email address.) He said he would imagine that they would send a hard copy if they DIDN'T have an email address for you. The email should take a few days. (But since I was lucky and got the same guy I talked to yesterday, { and he is VERY helpfull.} he had them email HIM the info, then he forwarded it to me. So I have it without having to wait for them to get around to sending it to me.)
They are NOT allowed to give 5 panel results over the phone to anyone other than the owner.
So at this point, it sounds like you just have to hope and pray that a stallion owner or horse seller is being truthful when they say the horse is N/N. OR you could ask them to email you a copy of the form they received showing the horses results.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | RacingQH - 2014-01-07 9:58 AM Cool.
I talked AQHA again just now. He said they will NOT automatically be sending a "hard copy" to the owner. But will if it is requested. They will send the results in an email. (If they have your email address.) He said he would imagine that they would send a hard copy if they DIDN'T have an email address for you. The email should take a few days. (But since I was lucky and got the same guy I talked to yesterday, { and he is VERY helpfull.} he had them email HIM the info, then he forwarded it to me. So I have it without having to wait for them to get around to sending it to me.)
They are NOT allowed to give 5 panel results over the phone to anyone other than the owner.
So at this point, it sounds like you just have to hope and pray that a stallion owner or horse seller is being truthful when they say the horse is N/N. OR you could ask them to email you a copy of the form they received showing the horses results.
Hmmmm That directly contradicts what I was told on the phone just last Friday.  |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | To increase the educational value of this thread. There was a comment made about MH. I wasn't totally sure but thought it was a dominant rather than a recessive so I looked it up. It is dominant. It only requires one parent to be a carrier/affected to have a 50% chance to be a carrier/affected horse.
| Malignant hyperthermia (MH)
| | Description  Malignant hyperthermia (MH) was initially recognized as a fatal syndrome in humans, and the term describing its occurrence in swine is known as porcine stress syndrome. MH is most prevalent in swine but this syndrome has also been reported in dogs (especially Greyhounds), cats and horses. In horses MH thought to be confined to Quarter Horses and members of related breeds such as Appaloosas and Paints. Less than 1% of Quarter Horses are affected, and those that are seem to trace to two specific bloodlines. The genetic disorder suggested to be an autosomal dominant trait.
MH is a potentially fatal disease of that could be triggered by factors that may include exercise, stress, breeding, illnesses, and concurrent myopathies. An additional genetic mutation in RYR1 gene (MH) influences PSSM and can increase the severity of the symptoms of PSSM in Quarter Horses and related breeds. The combination of PSSM and MH genetic tests are available at Animal Genetics. |
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Location: Montana | OregonBR - 2014-01-07 4:37 PM
To increase the educational value of this thread. There was a comment made about MH. I wasn't totally sure but thought it was a dominant rather than a recessive so I looked it up. It is dominant. It only requires one parent to be a carrier/affected to have a 50% chance to be a carrier/affected horse. SNIP  Wish I knew which 2 bloodlines it traces to.Â
ME TOO! I asked Google and she didn't seem to know . . . anyone here know? |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | OregonBR - 2014-01-07 3:37 PM
To increase the educational value of this thread. There was a comment made about MH. I wasn't totally sure but thought it was a dominant rather than a recessive so I looked it up. It is dominant. It only requires one parent to be a carrier/affected to have a 50% chance to be a carrier/affected horse.  | Malignant hyperthermia (MH)
| | Description Malignant hyperthermia (MH) was initially recognized as a fatal syndrome in humans, and the term describing its occurrence in swine is known as porcine stress syndrome. MH is most prevalent in swine but this syndrome has also been reported in dogs (especially Greyhounds), cats and horses. In horses MH thought to be confined to Quarter Horses and members of related breeds such as Appaloosas and Paints. Less than 1% of Quarter Horses are affected, and those that are seem to trace to two specific bloodlines. The genetic disorder suggested to be an autosomal dominant trait. MH is a potentially fatal disease of that could be triggered by factors that may include exercise, stress, breeding, illnesses, and concurrent myopathies. An additional genetic mutation in RYR1 gene (MH) influences PSSM and can increase the severity of the symptoms of PSSM in Quarter Horses and related breeds. The combination of PSSM and MH genetic tests are available at Animal Genetics.  |  Wish I knew which 2 bloodlines it traces to.Â
I literally JUST read that on the results paper I got. I would swear I read somewhere that it was recessive. But I now know different. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | OregonBR - 2014-01-07 3:32 PM
RacingQH - 2014-01-07 9:58 AM Cool.
I talked AQHA again just now.  He said they will NOT automatically be sending a "hard copy" to the owner. But will if it is requested.  They will send the results in an email. (If they have your email address.) He said he would imagine that they would send a hard copy if they DIDN'T have an email address for you. The email should take a few days. (But since I was lucky and got the same guy I talked to yesterday, { and he is VERY helpfull.} he had them email HIM the info, then he forwarded it to me. So I have it without having to wait for them to get around to sending it to me.)
They are NOT allowed to give 5 panel results over the phone to anyone other than the owner.
So at this point, it sounds like you just have to hope and pray that a stallion owner or horse seller is being truthful when they say the horse is N/N. OR you could ask them to email you a copy of the form they received showing the horses results.
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 Hmmmm That directly contradicts what I was told on the phone just last Friday.Â
That's why I asked. You said you were told they WOULD give out that info. Someone else said they were told they would NOT give out that info. So I asked to see which answer I would get. LOL |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | As a buyer and/or breeder looking at stallions, not having access to that information is upsetting. Why the heck are we getting it done if not to use it to sift out the positive horses or make informed decisions?  |
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Location: Burns, WY | You were wondering about the 2 lines for Malignant Hyperthermia. The one research paper that I had read stated that they found it in a subset of bloodlines that they were researching. In Dr Molly McCue's 199 pagged dissertation she had outlined the bloodlines Eddie Cinco, another one with the initials of SDB who we believe to be Sonny Dee Bar, and another horse with the initials of PI who we believe to be Pretty Impressive.
Now, I have seen the pedigree of 4 horses that have tested to be MH positive. The one stallion's pedigree that I saw he was MH positive but PSSM1 negative and he traced back to Eddie 60. I'm not at liberty to reveal his name but his dam's name is Dry Fork Hancock.
The other three that I have seen that are MH positive along with being PSSM N/P1 are Oliver Sensation, Champagneinhollywood and Patch The Buck. All three of these horses trace back to Eddie Red Rose. Eddie Red Rose is sired by Eddie Cinco.
Now, Eddie Cinco and Eddie 60 are full brothers as they are both sired by Eddie and their dam is Miss Ogallala. Now, when they did the pedigree mapping they pointed an arrow at the mare, Miss Ogalla and in their explanantions they explain that were they put the arrow at, it was based upon eye witness accounts of the animal and that they believe that this animal was the source because of those accounts.
Personally, I would tell anyone, if you see the mare, Miss Ogallala in your horses pedigree, you better be testing.
All of these horses are on All Breed Pedigrees database so you can research their bloodlines. I just have trouble posting links to these horses with using my phone. |
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Location: Burns, WY | First off, we now have the tests to at least identify 5 of these genetic diseases that can plague our QH and QH related breeds, so while we don't have the test for PSSM Type 2, at least we can works towards identifying carriers of HERDA (N/Hrd) or GBED (N/Gb) and work towards identifying those horses that are positive for HYPP (N/H of H/H), PSSM TYPE 1 (N/P1, P1/P1) or MH (N/MH, MH/MH). At least that is a start.
Then, while people are getting their panties in a wad over not wanting to do the 5 panel because Type 2 is not available you must also understand that statistics of possibly having a Type 2 horse. First off, the researchers have stated that around 6 to 12% of QH and QH related breeds have PSSM in general. Of that 6 to 12% that are PSSM positive, the researchers have stated that between only 10 to 25% are positive for PSSM Type 2, and the other 75 to 90% are positive for Type 1. PSSM Type 1 is much more common in our QH and QH related breeds and the incidence for Type 2 is much lower.
So, instead of saying why do the 5 panel because its not identifying Type 2, we should be looking at the start that it is giving us in identifying 5 genetic diseases.
Also, in 2014, all stallions who are breeding 25+ mares will have to be 5 paneled and in 2015, the rest of the breeding stallions will have to be done. So this isn't just signaling out those stallions who are only breeding 25+ mares. Eventually ALL staalions will have to be 5 paneled. |
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Location: Burns, WY | Also, someone was asking about AQHA foals that have parents who are 5 paneled negative if that colt will have to be tested and as of now, even if you have a stallion whose parents are tested negative, you will have to do the 5 panel on that stud as well.
Now, with that being said, there has been two proposals submitted and the on proposal states that if a horse's parents are 5 panel tested negative, then the resulting foal will automatically be listed as 5 panel negative and no additional testing for those 5 genetic diseases will be required. The other proposal, if I remember right will be to have results put on the papers, but I'd have to look back on some threads on the Forum as it might be where a foal that is born from a carrier or positive parent will have to be tested for that particular genetic disease or diseases. |
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Location: Burns, WY | I do know that Dashing Move Fame and Frenchmans Goldcharm have been 5 panel tested and they are negative across the board. Good thing is between this year and next, we'll have the rest of these studs tested. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | OregonBR - 2014-01-07 8:45 PM
As a buyer and/or breeder looking at stallions, not having access to that information is upsetting. Why the heck are we getting it done if not to use it to sift out the positive horses or make informed decisions? Â
At this point, people have to hope that the stallion owner is forthcoming with the info. I wonder how many stallions that normally need 25+ mares are already tested? What are they going to do about stallions that are deceased? Send in some frozen semen and test that way? |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | appycowgirl - 2014-01-08 5:55 AM
I do know that Dashing Move Fame and Frenchmans Goldcharm have been 5 panel tested and they are negative across the board. Good thing is between this year and next, we'll have the rest of these studs tested.
Yes, they will be tested. But people are going to have to trust the owners to tell the truth as to the results. That is the issue. Hopefully in the not to distant future, that info will be part of the horses AQHA info and can be accessed online along with everything else. |
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Location: Iowa, LA | RacingQH - 2014-01-08 8:40 AM OregonBR - 2014-01-07 8:45 PM As a buyer and/or breeder looking at stallions, not having access to that information is upsetting. Why the heck are we getting it done if not to use it to sift out the positive horses or make informed decisions? At this point, people have to hope that the stallion owner is forthcoming with the info. I wonder how many stallions that normally need 25+ mares are already tested? What are they going to do about stallions that are deceased? Send in some frozen semen and test that way?
It's a scary time because as this info comes to light, there will be people (and already are) that will try to pass a positive horse on. I actually know a guy who just bought a horse at a local performance sale that knew the horse had to be positive, but told me he would just turn around and sell it just like the people who sold it to him. This horse was tying up so bad that 10 minutes after riding he would lock up. I told him to change the diet and the horse improved. There are stories of people telling buyers that the horse had not been tested, when in fact, the horse HAD been and was positive. I personally will not breed and will not buy without proof of both PSSM 1 and 2. No way! You think $300 is expensive for a muscle biopsy? You think $35 is expensive for a hair test? Well, compare that to what I've spent on my 3 year old. Not one person has even made an offer on him. Can he be successful? I'm sure he can, but when you work the kind of hours I work, it is very hard to keep TWO PSSM positive horses worked like they need to be to keep them feeling their best. |
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| annemarea - 2014-01-08 8:54 AM
RacingQH - 2014-01-08 8:40 AM OregonBR - 2014-01-07 8:45 PM As a buyer and/or breeder looking at stallions, not having access to that information is upsetting. Why the heck are we getting it done if not to use it to sift out the positive horses or make informed decisions?  At this point, people have to hope that the stallion owner is forthcoming with the info. I wonder how many stallions that normally need 25+ mares are already tested? What are they going to do about stallions that are deceased? Send in some frozen semen and test that way?
Thank you AnneMarea for posting so much on this topic....I learn something from everything you post on here. I have one I am nearly positive has PSSM(will test soon) but she has never tied up so never in a million years would I have known anything about PSSM or what could be going on with her if it hadn't been for the big post on here. Thank you so much! |
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Location: Iowa, LA | Used2B - 2014-01-08 9:13 AM annemarea - 2014-01-08 8:54 AM RacingQH - 2014-01-08 8:40 AM OregonBR - 2014-01-07 8:45 PM As a buyer and/or breeder looking at stallions, not having access to that information is upsetting. Why the heck are we getting it done if not to use it to sift out the positive horses or make informed decisions? At this point, people have to hope that the stallion owner is forthcoming with the info. I wonder how many stallions that normally need 25+ mares are already tested? What are they going to do about stallions that are deceased? Send in some frozen semen and test that way? Thank you AnneMarea for posting so much on this topic....I learn something from everything you post on here. I have one I am nearly positive has PSSM (will test soon ) but she has never tied up so never in a million years would I have known anything about PSSM or what could be going on with her if it hadn't been for the big post on here. Thank you so much!
It really makes me happy to help others not have to go through all that I went through! So glad I could help! My mare had only tied up once and my gelding has never tied up, so when most people associate PSSM with only tying up, it can be a problem. Back soreness is a HUGE problem with my two. And, of course, most would say, "It's the saddle fit!". LOL I went through so many saddles, pads, cinches, vet exams, etc. What a waste! And then the mare really had every vet thinking it was a stifle problem. Blisters, injections, x-rays, surgery, trotting the crap out of her....and all it took was me taking her off of my pasture (that was after I had changed her to a low starch feed). I even had one vet saying it had to be EPM since nothing done to the stifles worked on her. Thank god I didn't waste my time and money on EPM treatment, too! |
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Location: SW MO | I was doing a search on MH on Google & this thread came up. I just thought I would let you know we have had 5 of our horses tested & they all received hard copies from AQHA, so if you have doubt about a stallion the owner should be able to show you the hard copy |
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Location: Wyoming | Nope! But the results I am looking for can be done and produced in over a week. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | crossspur - 2014-06-18 8:34 AM I was doing a search on MH on Google & this thread came up. I just thought I would let you know we have had 5 of our horses tested & they all received hard copies from AQHA, so if you have doubt about a stallion the owner should be able to show you the hard copy
All the horses I've had done with AQHA/UC Davis, I've received hard copies in the mail. |
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