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| Wanted to add, if you are talking own sons or daughters, then you have enough information to form a realistic opinion. |
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| Just a tip, an impressive bred mare will give you one of the nicest mules that you have ever looked at or thrown a leg over. The HYPP deal is pretty much nonexistatnt in the offspring. No papers on mules, and no breeding of course, so it is really a non issue. i have herd of some mules exibiting the problem, but i have never seen one.
I love all the old foundation stuff. I hate to see people here that don't. They season late, and aint afraid to buck, but they give alot when they are on the job. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | LAC - 2014-01-15 1:11 PM FlyingJT - 2014-01-15 1:38 PM roxieannie - 2014-01-15 12:36 PM Years ago, an Impressive horse, good looking athletic sucker. He was hot and cold. One moment would show you how "dazzling" he was. The next, nope, not gonna work. He didn't want to do anything from trail riding to working cows or running barrels. He did enjoy you brushing him and telling him how beautiful he was, though. This has been my experience. Grant it, I've only ever owned one that was impressive bred but he was exactly how you describe. Same here! Impressive horses are bred to be looked at....not used. As soon as you need to count on them they will sell you short.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/rare+skippin+dial
It seems that for some people, if Impressive can be found in a pedigree at all, they will shy away. I'm pretty sure this one was bred to be used.  |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | Whiteboy - 2014-01-15 11:22 AM I think that there are more bad horsemen than bad bloodlines. Most of the lines mentioned above- you can't even hardly get on the papers anymore. By the time a horse is 3 or 4 or 5 generations out, does it really even count. I hear people say things about beduino's, then I see the papers and beduino is 4 gens back. I'm sorry but that isn't a beduino, that is a 1/14 beduino that has alot of other influence in there. I see that same thing with hancocks. That doesn't mean you have to like everything, but you might be missing out on some nice horses because of personal bias that doesn't make any sense. To each their own I guess.
ditto to this.
When hubby was roping and shoping for a horse he must have tried out at least a dozen geldings and mares. The one he finally clicked with and was worth his weight in gold just happened to be Impressive bred. He didn't even look at the papers until he went to pay for him.  |
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| teehaha - 2014-01-15 1:40 PM Whiteboy - 2014-01-15 11:22 AM I think that there are more bad horsemen than bad bloodlines. Most of the lines mentioned above- you can't even hardly get on the papers anymore. By the time a horse is 3 or 4 or 5 generations out, does it really even count. I hear people say things about beduino's, then I see the papers and beduino is 4 gens back. I'm sorry but that isn't a beduino, that is a 1/14 beduino that has alot of other influence in there. I see that same thing with hancocks. That doesn't mean you have to like everything, but you might be missing out on some nice horses because of personal bias that doesn't make any sense. To each their own I guess. ditto to this.
When hubby was roping and shoping for a horse he must have tried out at least a dozen geldings and mares. The one he finally clicked with and was worth his weight in gold just happened to be Impressive bred. He didn't even look at the papers until he went to pay for him.
What a smart guy. That is a hard thing to do, but I guarantee- especially on a gelding, if you do it any other way, you are missing out. |
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Location: Arkansas | Skipper W, Impressive (because of the resale issues), On The Money Red
I do have an mare with Impressive lines and she will die on my place but for the most part I steer clear. Especially the line bred ones. She also has Zippo Pine Bars on the top and her dam was a Rocket Wrangler daughter/Tinys Gay granddaughter. |
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| Impressive but just because I am in the raising and selling business and buyers tend to shy away from Impressive bloodlines regardless of their status. An interesting note about Impressive is that he was not bred to be a halter horse. He was bred to race but because of his sheer size and muscle mass his race career was cut short (he dis go into race training and was apparently quite speedy but owners feared injury due to his size). It was his size, conformation and muscle mass that attracted halter breeders to him.
The other interesting piece of info about Impressive is that he himself did not have HYPP. Neither did his sire or dam have HYPP. It started as a genetic mutation in Impressive's semen only which is why he wasn't affected. The how or the why the mutation occurred is yet unknown. |
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Location: Desert Land | Whiteboy - 2014-01-15 11:22 AM I think that there are more bad horsemen than bad bloodlines. Most of the lines mentioned above- you can't even hardly get on the papers anymore. By the time a horse is 3 or 4 or 5 generations out, does it really even count. I hear people say things about beduino's, then I see the papers and beduino is 4 gens back. I'm sorry but that isn't a beduino, that is a 1/14 beduino that has alot of other influence in there. I see that same thing with hancocks. That doesn't mean you have to like everything, but you might be missing out on some nice horses because of personal bias that doesn't make any sense. To each their own I guess.
I agree!! You have to figure by the time the line is 3, 4, 5 etc. generations back there are a lot of other influences a lot closer up that should be taken into consideration. And that's why I've actually considered breeding to Slick By Design. I may not be a huge OTMR fan, but SBD is a grandson, so anything I would get from a resulting breeding would be a greatgrandget and there's bound to be other prolific genes mixed in there that would have more of an influence. |
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Location: Adopt a homeless pet - www.petfinder.com! | runs4fun - 2014-01-15 12:07 PM A lot of people have certain blood lines that they don't care for because of their personal experiences with them or because of what they've heard. However, all the blood lines already mentioned have many super good-minded and athletic horses that have come from the lineage. I've always heard that Peppy San Badger horses buck but not the gelding I have out of that line, I'd pay big bucks to get another just like my ol' guy!
I have a grandson of Peppy San Badger, bought him as a yearling and he's retired in my pasture right now at age 26. He never bucked. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | There are all sorts of reasons why someone may not like a line. I tend not to buy any Impressive, Beduino, Murrtheblurr, (more locally), Mr Go Devil, Desierto, any halter lines. I can't think of anymore but I'm sure they are there. Some lines are fast as all get out, but not known to be turny. Those I tend to stay away from. It doesn't mean they are great horses. Just don't fit in with what I want.
I also steer clear of the non-barrel horse lines, the ranchy lines and the lines that are known for genetic diseases or fragile minds are forbidden.
The only Skipper W I like is through Biankus. I have two mares from Biankus through Captain Biankus.
I do have a granddaughter of Peppy San Badger that I love. She's the only non-barrel horse turny line I have left. I have bred her to 3 different studs and the best ones are by my current stallion HAB. They have all been easy to break and work with all their heart when given a job. I do think they need a job, not just stand around 5 days of the week and taken out on the weekend. The "bucking" that people talk about was never a problem for her. She was out of a very good minded mare. She is cinchy though. And one of her kids by a son of Judge Cash can get naughty. She's also very talented. So they put up with her.
It's not necessarily because I don't get along with them. Though that will get one sold. I look at results. I pick lines that I like AND that work in the arena. Just like was already stated, I don't think much of horses that will puke when you need them. I don't ride anymore. But when I did the most frustrating animal was the one that had tons of talent but no desire or they were counterfeit. Make you think they were better than sliced bread then puke when the money was up. I can't stand them.  |
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| I have had a few that would choke when it counted the most over the years. I hated those horses at the time. Now I realize that I was the problem, not them. To them it was just another day in the arena, they didn't know or care how much money was on the line. |
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| I love my horse Sir Rocky Dan grandson of Sir Quincy Dan and has Impressive bloodlines. I would say his previous owners probably dislike him, but I love him. He has a slight turned in right hoof or else he would be a drop dead gorgeous halter horse being 15'3 and a lovely chestnut color. He didn't have the heart to do it, but he moves really nice and is an eyecatcher. He knows he is hot stuff haha. He is a bit of a bullhead but he loves to run and he can chase a cow like nobody's business. I got him when we were both 9 same birth month and year only he was born twenty days ahead. His previous owner was a guy who said Rocky couldn't be trailered and was a handful well he was quite surprised when a 9 year old small girl took this was riding him on trails haha. He had no such trailering problems only thing is Rocky was very headshy when we first got him, but has improved greatly he just doesn't like his ears messed with now. If I could clone him I would. He took me from Peewee to competetive Open. Best horse I have ever owned period. Now in his prime he would buck and carry on, but he taught be to be tough.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | losthaven - 2014-01-15 11:46 AM Impressive but just because I am in the raising and selling business and buyers tend to shy away from Impressive bloodlines regardless of their status. An interesting note about Impressive is that he was not bred to be a halter horse. He was bred to race but because of his sheer size and muscle mass his race career was cut short (he dis go into race training and was apparently quite speedy but owners feared injury due to his size). It was his size, conformation and muscle mass that attracted halter breeders to him. The other interesting piece of info about Impressive is that he himself did not have HYPP. Neither did his sire or dam have HYPP. It started as a genetic mutation in Impressive's semen only which is why he wasn't affected. The how or the why the mutation occurred is yet unknown.
I'm pretty sure he was N/H. He was tried on the track. He couldn't run a lick. You are right about the rest. His sire nor dam had HYPP. The mutation started with him. His mass because of HYPP made him a natural at halter and passing on the gene for it made him a halter sire. N/H horses and H/H horses get mass without work. Which is why the halter breeders flocked to him. They didn't need to work the animals to get muscle. |
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Location: Texas | We love skipper w and two eyed jack. They can be a little broncy when starting but once they get it will go through fire. I used to stay far far away from impressive but my husband ended up with a head horse that was bred impressive on one side and he was the best thing we have ever owned. So now I don't go actively look for one but I don't discount them. We started two dash for cash colts one summer and both were very chicken hearted. So I don't like that bloodline. I am trying to get over that but it's hard I immediately think about those two and cringe whenever we look at a horse and see dash for cash. But we are more roping then barrels anyway so we love a good foundation/cowbred horse. |
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Location: Great NW | Will not ride another "Im a Tuff One" ... Oh they are pretty but they are Bullheaded. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I'm old so many of the bloodlines that I loathed are now so far back on the pedigrees that they are now so diluted they are no longer one of the same unless they are inbred. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | OregonBR - 2014-01-15 1:58 PM There are all sorts of reasons why someone may not like a line. I tend not to buy any Impressive, Beduino, Murrtheblurr, (more locally), Mr Go Devil, Desierto, any halter lines. I can't think of anymore but I'm sure they are there. Some lines are fast as all get out, but not known to be turny. Those I tend to stay away from. It doesn't mean they are great horses. Just don't fit in with what I want.
I also steer clear of the non-barrel horse lines, the ranchy lines and the lines that are known for genetic diseases or fragile minds are forbidden.
The only Skipper W I like is through Biankus. I have two mares from Biankus through Captain Biankus.
I do have a granddaughter of Peppy San Badger that I love. She's the only non-barrel horse turny line I have left. I have bred her to 3 different studs and the best ones are by my current stallion HAB. They have all been easy to break and work with all their heart when given a job. I do think they need a job, not just stand around 5 days of the week and taken out on the weekend. The "bucking" that people talk about was never a problem for her. She was out of a very good minded mare. She is cinchy though. And one of her kids by a son of Judge Cash can get naughty. She's also very talented. So they put up with her.
It's not necessarily because I don't get along with them. Though that will get one sold. I look at results. I pick lines that I like AND that work in the arena. Just like was already stated, I don't think much of horses that will puke when you need them. I don't ride anymore. But when I did the most frustrating animal was the one that had tons of talent but no desire or they were counterfeit. Make you think they were better than sliced bread then puke when the money was up. I can't stand them.
Your last few sentences describes the Impressive gelding I had. |
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Location: Kentucky | I'll be candid and say that there isn't a bloodline that I won't own... because I haven't ridden them all. You also have to take into account both sides of the pedigree also. So there is no way I've rode that many horses.
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Location: Texas | Whiteboy - 2014-01-15 1:44 PM
teehaha - 2014-01-15 1:40 PM Whiteboy - 2014-01-15 11:22 AM I think that there are more bad horsemen than bad bloodlines. Most of the lines mentioned above- you can't even hardly get on the papers anymore. By the time a horse is 3 or 4 or 5 generations out, does it really even count. I hear people say things about beduino's, then I see the papers and beduino is 4 gens back. I'm sorry but that isn't a beduino, that is a 1/14 beduino that has alot of other influence in there. I see that same thing with hancocks. That doesn't mean you have to like everything, but you might be missing out on some nice horses because of personal bias that doesn't make any sense. To each their own I guess. ditto to this.
When hubby was roping and shoping for a horse he must have tried out at least a dozen geldings and mares. The one he finally clicked with and was worth his weight in gold just happened to be Impressive bred. He didn't even look at the papers until he went to pay for him.
We bought my gelding, who is also a solid paint, because as a 4 YO he was clocking .5 off on the stakes in exhibitions. he had a super mind and was showing he was going to be good. We bought him, have had a ton of success on him. In fact this year I've gone to two races and won 6th in the open 1D out of 190 something total runners and I won the 2D last saturday with about the same total runners. He's won several saddles, buckles, all the cool year end stuff.
You would think proven gelding= pedigree shouldn't matter.
I won't ever buy a mare with impressive for the reason of resale.. but he sure has been fun and I'm glad I didn't turn him down because someone else would have bought him and been beating me! |
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Location: The birthplace of Honest Abe | peppy san badger have had experiences with too many dirty buckers within that blood line
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