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| I have mixed feelings on this. Like it or not it is tradition. Cowboys have necked and front footed horses for, well, as long as they have been roping I would assume. I think the difference is, in the pen they use a little more common sense, as those horses are going to be using horses. In competition they get excited trying to put down the best time they can and common sense goes flying out the window.
Team roping and calf roping have been tradition. Animal Rights groups think they are cruel and unwarranted as well.
I think these events should instill unnecessary roughness rules, like if you jerk one down or choke one out you are automatically disqualified. That would help detour some of the cowboys from handling the horses like that just as it did in the calf roping and team roping.
They do appear to be young horses. I would assume this is because they are smaller, are easier on the competitor's horse to hold and handle better. I don't know what happens to them after they are too big or sour.
I did notice on the video that when the rope came tight on the front legs they stopped. They didn't jerk them down or pull their feet out from under them. So maybe there are some rules.
When we had our bucking string, I drug my fair share of horses to the catch pen. So I am wondering if horse roping laws were to fall into place, what all would be covered?
Where is the abolishment of western tradition going to stop? If we stop these events completely rather than change rules to help maintain the humane treatment of the horses we are opening the door for all of our events to be eliminated.
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Location: Nowhere Special | Its such a shame that its people like this that get the spotlight because it makes us all look bad. Thats no event that ever started with a purpose and is just a buch of want to be cowboy/ ropers that can't afford cattle.. I love his excuse of its the way I was raised. Yeah well just because your parents didn't know how to respect themselves, the sport, traditions and way of life and passed that on to you does not make it right. |
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| jetgetset - 2014-01-24 10:41 AM Its such a shame that its people like this that get the spotlight because it makes us all look bad. Thats no event that ever started with a purpose and is just a buch of want to be cowboy/ ropers that can't afford cattle.. I love his excuse of its the way I was raised. Yeah well just because your parents didn't know how to respect themselves, the sport, traditions and way of life and passed that on to you does not make it right.  Â
 
Doing this for pleasure and calling it a sport- not right no matter what doors it opens for future fights in our sport. Those events that can be defended will be and should have no problems continuing. |
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Location: ND | cyount2009 - 2014-01-24 10:37 AM I have mixed feelings on this. Like it or not it is tradition. Cowboys have necked and front footed horses for, well, as long as they have been roping I would assume. I think the difference is, in the pen they use a little more common sense, as those horses are going to be using horses. In competition they get excited trying to put down the best time they can and common sense goes flying out the window. Team roping and calf roping have been tradition. Animal Rights groups think they are cruel and unwarranted as well. I think these events should instill unnecessary roughness rules, like if you jerk one down or choke one out you are automatically disqualified. That would help detour some of the cowboys from handling the horses like that just as it did in the calf roping and team roping. They do appear to be young horses. I would assume this is because they are smaller, are easier on the competitor's horse to hold and handle better. I don't know what happens to them after they are too big or sour. I did notice on the video that when the rope came tight on the front legs they stopped. They didn't jerk them down or pull their feet out from under them. So maybe there are some rules. When we had our bucking string, I drug my fair share of horses to the catch pen. So I am wondering if horse roping laws were to fall into place, what all would be covered? Where is the abolishment of western tradition going to stop? If we stop these events completely rather than change rules to help maintain the humane treatment of the horses we are opening the door for all of our events to be eliminated.
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Location: Phoenix | It's cruelty. I don't support this event. They have events like this in the NW where the businessmen have to saddle a wild horse and ride it and I can't bring myself to watch. |
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| Karlaw - 2014-01-24 9:46 AM I refuse to watch the video! SICK! Same with cow tripping, its disgusting.
I went to one timed event championship at the Lazy E where they did tripping and it made me SICK - I will NEVER go watch that again. Just at that one event, I probably saw 4-5 steers break their legs. I'm really surprised the animal rights activists haven't shut it down. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | cyount2009 - 2014-01-24 10:37 AM
I have mixed feelings on this. Like it or not it is tradition. Cowboys have necked and front footed horses for, well, as long as they have been roping I would assume. I think the difference is, in the pen they use a little more common sense, as those horses are going to be using horses. In competition they get excited trying to put down the best time they can and common sense goes flying out the window.
Team roping and calf roping have been tradition. Animal Rights groups think they are cruel and unwarranted as well.
I think these events should instill unnecessary roughness rules, like if you jerk one down or choke one out you are automatically disqualified. That would help detour some of the cowboys from handling the horses like that just as it did in the calf roping and team roping.
They do appear to be young horses. I would assume this is because they are smaller, are easier on the competitor's horse to hold and handle better. I don't know what happens to them after they are too big or sour.
I did notice on the video that when the rope came tight on the front legs they stopped. They didn't jerk them down or pull their feet out from under them. So maybe there are some rules.
When we had our bucking string, I drug my fair share of horses to the catch pen. So I am wondering if horse roping laws were to fall into place, what all would be covered?
Where is the abolishment of western tradition going to stop? If we stop these events completely rather than change rules to help maintain the humane treatment of the horses we are opening the door for all of our events to be eliminated.
I do not agree with this. Perhaps long ago when cowboys were dealing with wild horses they were treated in this fashion.. once... But to use it as a competition today because it use to be done that way is just sad. They had less time to spare to train horses than we do today. Trying to justify it because you are worried about the possible consequences your own event is even sadder. The roping of cattle is still done in some parts of the country for branding if nothing else. This treatment of horses today for the same reason is unknown to me.
And when the man says he was raised this way and that's why he does it, well... perhaps if he was raised by a wife beater and pedophile that would justify keeping that tradition going too.
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cyount2009 - 2014-01-24 10:37 AM
I have mixed feelings on this. Like it or not it is tradition. Cowboys have necked and front footed horses for, well, as long as they have been roping I would assume. I think the difference is, in the pen they use a little more common sense, as those horses are going to be using horses. In competition they get excited trying to put down the best time they can and common sense goes flying out the window.
Team roping and calf roping have been tradition. Animal Rights groups think they are cruel and unwarranted as well.
I think these events should instill unnecessary roughness rules, like if you jerk one down or choke one out you are automatically disqualified. That would help detour some of the cowboys from handling the horses like that just as it did in the calf roping and team roping.
They do appear to be young horses. I would assume this is because they are smaller, are easier on the competitor's horse to hold and handle better. I don't know what happens to them after they are too big or sour.
I did notice on the video that when the rope came tight on the front legs they stopped. They didn't jerk them down or pull their feet out from under them. So maybe there are some rules.
When we had our bucking string, I drug my fair share of horses to the catch pen. So I am wondering if horse roping laws were to fall into place, what all would be covered?
Where is the abolishment of western tradition going to stop? If we stop these events completely rather than change rules to help maintain the humane treatment of the horses we are opening the door for all of our events to be eliminated.
I do not agree with this. Perhaps long ago when cowboys were dealing with wild horses they were treated in this fashion.. once... But to use it as a competition today because it use to be done that way is just sad. They had less time to spare to train horses they way we do today. Trying to justify it because you are worried about the possible consequences your own event is even sadder. The roping of cattle is still done in some parts of the country for branding if nothing else. This treatment of horses today for the same reason is unknown to me.
And when the man says he was raised this way and that's why he does it, well... perhaps if he was raised by a wife beater and pedophile that would justify keeping that tradition going too.
I wasn't justifying it for my own event. I don't have bucking horses any more. I was simply saying I wonder what all would be covered under horse roping laws.
In your part of the country it may be a practice long forgotten, or just well hidden, but I know a few ranches out west that rope young horses, lay them down for castration and to have their feet done before they are turned out until they are two. I've bought two year olds from these places. I'm not talking fancy well bred barrel or rope horse prospects that are worth gobs of money. I'm talking tough, gritty ranch raised and bred working horses that will put in a hard days work.
I never once said I agreed with it. I was attempting to bringing a different prospective to the table. I don't agree with what I saw on that short clip. What I saw on the video made me sick but I only saw the parts of the video the media showed, the most shocking parts. You can take footage at any equine event, cut it and make it look like the most God-awful event on the planet, SHARK does a wonderful job at it.
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Location: Oregon | It's called Big Loop and yes it's a tradition, google big loop rodeo
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Location: Midwest | crapshooter - 2014-01-24 12:00 PM It's called Big Loop and yes it's a tradition, google big loop rodeo
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Location: SE Louisiana | cyount2009 - 2014-01-24 11:42 AM komet. - 2014-01-24 11:23 AM cyount2009 - 2014-01-24 10:37 AM I have mixed feelings on this. Like it or not it is tradition. Cowboys have necked and front footed horses for, well, as long as they have been roping I would assume. I think the difference is, in the pen they use a little more common sense, as those horses are going to be using horses. In competition they get excited trying to put down the best time they can and common sense goes flying out the window. Team roping and calf roping have been tradition. Animal Rights groups think they are cruel and unwarranted as well. I think these events should instill unnecessary roughness rules, like if you jerk one down or choke one out you are automatically disqualified. That would help detour some of the cowboys from handling the horses like that just as it did in the calf roping and team roping. They do appear to be young horses. I would assume this is because they are smaller, are easier on the competitor's horse to hold and handle better. I don't know what happens to them after they are too big or sour. I did notice on the video that when the rope came tight on the front legs they stopped. They didn't jerk them down or pull their feet out from under them. So maybe there are some rules. When we had our bucking string, I drug my fair share of horses to the catch pen. So I am wondering if horse roping laws were to fall into place, what all would be covered? Where is the abolishment of western tradition going to stop? If we stop these events completely rather than change rules to help maintain the humane treatment of the horses we are opening the door for all of our events to be eliminated. I do not agree with this. Perhaps long ago when cowboys were dealing with wild horses they were treated in this fashion.. once... But to use it as a competition today because it use to be done that way is just sad. They had less time to spare to train horses they way we do today. Trying to justify it because you are worried about the possible consequences your own event is even sadder. The roping of cattle is still done in some parts of the country for branding if nothing else. This treatment of horses today for the same reason is unknown to me. And when the man says he was raised this way and that's why he does it, well... perhaps if he was raised by a wife beater and pedophile that would justify keeping that tradition going too. I don't have bucking horses any more. I was simply saying I wonder what all would be covered under horse roping laws. In your part of the country it may be a practice long forgotten, or just well hidden, but I know a few ranches out west that rope young horses, lay them down for castration and to have their feet done before they are turned out until they are two. I've bought two year olds from these places. I'm not talking fancy well bred barrel or rope horse prospects that are worth gobs of money. I'm talking tough, gritty ranch raised and bred working horses that will put in a hard days work. I never once said I agreed with it. I was attempting to bringing a different prospective to the table. I don't agree with what I saw on that short clip. What I saw on the video made me sick but I only saw the parts of the video the media showed, the most shocking parts. You can take footage at any equine event, cut it and make it look like the most God-awful event on the planet, SHARK does a wonderful job at it.
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Location: Oregon | barrelracr131 - 2014-01-24 10:08 AM crapshooter - 2014-01-24 12:00 PM It's called Big Loop and yes it's a tradition, google big loop rodeo
do they normally flip the horses like that, or have them pass out and start thrashing?
I don't know, I've never been to one. But it is definitely a traditional thing that has gone on for years. Not saying it's right. |
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Location: Midwest | crapshooter - 2014-01-24 12:21 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-01-24 10:08 AM crapshooter - 2014-01-24 12:00 PM It's called Big Loop and yes it's a tradition, google big loop rodeo
do they normally flip the horses like that, or have them pass out and start thrashing?
I was just asking. I have never seen a horse team roping deal before. |
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Location: Idaho | barrelracr131 - 2014-01-24 10:23 AM
crapshooter - 2014-01-24 12:21 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-01-24 10:08 AM crapshooter - 2014-01-24 12:00 PM It's called Big Loop and yes it's a tradition, google big loop rodeo
 do they normally flip the horses like that, or have them pass out and start thrashing?Â
It's a timed event, so sometimes the rope comes tight fast and they fall. Generally they try not to. It stems from the ranch practice of roping and front footing colts to lay them down to geld and brand. Wrecks do happen in this event, but the goal is not to hurt the horses. Sensationalized videos can make any event look bad. I'm not saying I necessarily like horse roping as an event, but take what you see in that video with a grain of salt. There are people in all events who abuse animals and behave poorly, doesn't mean everyone does or that it's common practice. |
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Location: Oregon | barrelracr131 - 2014-01-24 10:23 AM crapshooter - 2014-01-24 12:21 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-01-24 10:08 AM crapshooter - 2014-01-24 12:00 PM It's called Big Loop and yes it's a tradition, google big loop rodeo
do they normally flip the horses like that, or have them pass out and start thrashing?
Me neither, I've just seen the videos and like Jethro says they are usually sensationalizing things. I didn't realize so many people didn't know about it. |
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | Na, That's clearly abuse, and there's no need for it. This should be banned in the US. BUT if they do who says the humane societies wont try to ban Calf roping, team roping, bull dogging. Just a though. (heck they're trying to ban Rodeo period...) |
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| I witnessed this at the Box Elder fairgrounds (Treemonton, Utah) by accident one evening a few years ago. I live a few hours south of there and my mom and I decided to drive up and look at a horse for sale that was being stalled on the fairgrounds. It was about 10 degrees and lightly snowing that day. On the drive up we passed an open stock trailer that was packed head to tail with mustang looking ponies and commented on what looked like a miserable ride and assumed it was a trailer full of kill horses.
We looked at the horse and were getting ready to leave when we peeked in on what looked like a team roping. The place was packed full of families and the ropers were roping the ponies that we saw on the trailer earlier in the day. Of course we were horrified, but to tell you the truth, the ponies seemed like they’ve done it before and were not all that stressed out about it. We ducked out pretty quickly and were defiantly in shock from what we just witnessed. I’ll never forget that night. |
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Location: Texas | Jethro - 2014-01-24 12:28 PM
barrelracr131 - 2014-01-24 10:23 AM
crapshooter - 2014-01-24 12:21 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-01-24 10:08 AM crapshooter - 2014-01-24 12:00 PM It's called Big Loop and yes it's a tradition, google big loop rodeo
 do they normally flip the horses like that, or have them pass out and start thrashing?Â
It's a timed event, so sometimes the rope comes tight fast and they fall. Generally they try not to. It stems from the ranch practice of roping and front footing colts to lay them down to geld and brand. Wrecks do happen in this event, but the goal is not to hurt the horses. Sensationalized videos can make any event look bad. I'm not saying I necessarily like horse roping as an event, but take what you see in that video with a grain of salt. There are people in all events who abuse animals and behave poorly, doesn't mean everyone does or that it's common practice.
REALLY??? Wow! There is ZERO justification for this. And it baffles me that anyone can attempt to justify the practice or sport of it, in any way shape or form. They should be arrested for animal cruelty. They are doing this for sport. So I suppose that people who grew up with cock fighting, dog fighting, etc… Heck, I'm sure some of our descendants owned slaves, guess that was okay too. And don't spin it to read, I'm comparing this to slavery, because I'm not. I'm saying that at some point we need to evolve as human beings and do what is right instead of what is profitable. When things are done as a necessary evil in the field, it is done for the well being of that animal… Not as a sport. There is a huge difference! These events exploit these animals, PERIOD.
It is moronic to agree to allow this to happen for the sake of "tradition".
Oh… let me add this brief video of horse tripping - it begins one minute into the video - dang sharks! THEY always make us look bad! Can't believe they could actually make this stuff public. I'd like to continue to play stupid and pretend it doesn't really happen. HMMMMM.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmp8pkbU03I
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