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| Thanks for the articles ! I love to read them .. Has anyone actually switched from TC senior to TC complete or vice versa? Notice if your horse liked one more than the other ? |
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           Location: Florida.. | Β yes but you have to do it slow and keep them on it 30 days..to much flipping around d the horse will develop gut issues..have you tried just beetpulp and alfalfa pellets and add her supplements to it
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           Location: Kansas | I personally like safechoice perform, it's a low starch grain.......I love it. My weanling was starting to get sunk in and looked terrible on the previous grain...I put her on this along with calf manna and she is filling out nicely. Plus my finished mare looks better than she ever has, and my coming 2 year has really filled out. I feed CM, and also a rice bran would probably benefit as well
Safechoice Perform Guaranteed Analysis: Crude Protein: 14.0% Lysine: 0.80% Methionine: 0.30% Threonine: 0.50% Crude Fat: 9.0% Crude Fiber: (max.) 15.0% Dietary Starch: (max.) 20.0% Sugar: (max.) 8.0% Calcium: 0.90 - 1.20% Phosphorus: 0.70% Copper: 50 ppm Zinc: 160 ppm Selenium: 0.60 ppm Vitamin A: 3,000 IU/lb Vitamin D: 350 IU/lb Vitamin E: 120 IU/lb Biotin: 0.45 mg/lb SafeChoice® Perform is a high fat, controlled starch formula, formulated with more energy from fat for performance and breeding horses and lactating mares. - Helps take the worry out of feeding; controlled starch diets with added fat are widely recommended to help improve performance and reduce metabolic concerns
- Makes feeding convenient; it's scientifically balanced to meet the nutritional requirements of horses in all life stages, particularly those with higher energy or caloric requirements
- It's nutrition you can rely on as every bag of SafeChoice® Perform contains calorie-rich fats from vegetable oil, guaranteed amino acid levels to support muscle development and maintenance, plus added prebiotics and probiotics to aid in nutrient digestion
- Helps your horse make the most of every feeding; SafeChoice® Perform is pelleted to reduce sorting and enhance digestibility of the nutrients critical to a horse's health and performance
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       Location: Oz, Kansas | hoofs_in_motion - 2014-01-30 7:49 AM I personally like safechoice perform, it's a low starch grain.......I love it. My weanling was starting to get sunk in and looked terrible on the previous grain...I put her on this along with calf manna and she is filling out nicely. Plus my finished mare looks better than she ever has, and my coming 2 year has really filled out. I feed CM, and also a rice bran would probably benefit as well
Safechoice Perform
Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude Protein: 14.0%
Lysine: 0.80%
Methionine: 0.30%
Threonine: 0.50%
Crude Fat: 9.0%
Crude Fiber: (max. ) 15.0%
Dietary Starch: (max. ) 20.0%
Sugar: (max. ) 8.0%
Calcium: 0.90 - 1.20%
Phosphorus: 0.70%
Copper: 50 ppm
Zinc: 160 ppm
Selenium: 0.60 ppm
Vitamin A: 3,000 IU/lb
Vitamin D: 350 IU/lb
Vitamin E: 120 IU/lb
Biotin: 0.45 mg/lb
SafeChoice® Perform is a high fat, controlled starch formula, formulated with more energy from fat for performance and breeding horses and lactating mares.
- Helps take the worry out of feeding; controlled starch diets with added fat are widely recommended to help improve performance and reduce metabolic concerns
- Makes feeding convenient; it's scientifically balanced to meet the nutritional requirements of horses in all life stages, particularly those with higher energy or caloric requirements
- It's nutrition you can rely on as every bag of SafeChoice® Perform contains calorie-rich fats from vegetable oil, guaranteed amino acid levels to support muscle development and maintenance, plus added prebiotics and probiotics to aid in nutrient digestion
- Helps your horse make the most of every feeding; SafeChoice® Perform is pelleted to reduce sorting and enhance digestibility of the nutrients critical to a horse's health and performance
I feed this to my daughters hard keeper too with a flake of alfalfa a day & no other supplements. I was feeding Ultium & he did ok then switched to Omolene 400 & he quit eating. He loves the Perform & is doing great. |
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        Location: The Oklahoma plains. | Fancy Lass - 2014-01-30 7:35 AM Hm .. You guys are making me lean towards the TC complete ! :) how high of an NSC is too high for most of you? I know. 20.6% is the TC complete .. I've had her on ultium before though & she seemed totally fine on it & it is 16% NSC & and has corn in it..
What is your goal on the NSC? I would recommend that you do your research as you are and find something and try very hard to stick with it. All the changes you keep making will make her ulcery and finicky imo. ADM is a very reputable company and I have a friend that has had good success with the Moorglo line of feeds. I have a list of several of the NSC's if you decide what your preference is. |
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      Location: West Tennessee | livinonlove&horses - 2014-01-30 8:35 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-01-29 9:49 PM When you discover you are digging yourself into a hole ... you are supposed to stop and fill the hole back up with the dirt that came out of it ... lol Name one woman or health club food supplements that recommend you up your fat intake to turn it into muscle so you will return to being beautiful ..... pssssst ... fat is the reason you are working out to begin with ... so how do you eat more and turn it into muscle?? Choose any horse feed these two major mills make and find the actual ingredients that are in the pellets other than the generic names ... nutrients, amino acids, fat from vegetable oils, minerals ... all these are man made processed products and not in the form any type of grain ..... and formed into pellets with gluten from china ... Just watch the video and tell me if you hear any mention of oats, corn, alfalfa, hay or any other organic plant type sources for their feeds ... she sounds just like a fake dog rescue asking for donations .... lol ... http://www.nutrenaworld.com/products/horses/smart-grain-formulation... Do the same with any Purina product and you will find both companies are so evasive on what is actually in their feeds with a lot of marketing blah blah blah ... lol .. http://horse.purinamills.com/stellent/groups/public/@purinasites/do... You can hunt dig comb click scramble all you want to and you will NOT FIND THE INGREDIENTS in any of the products made by the two companies above ... just a lot of marketing blabbing ... I just made a statement on the sorry feeds horse owners are paying huge prices for and not even knowing what is in the feed .... .. you can add man made formulated processed crap to dog poop and make the analysis of it sound like it is a good food for your animals .. I dare you to post the INGREDIENTS of whatever feed you are feeding by scanning the tag and putting it here for everyone to see .... NOT THE ANALYSIS BUT THE INGREDIENTS ... and tell us what natural feed crop they are describing when using all of those the long words .... ******************************************************************* I will stay with Mother Nature's products of oats, corn, alfalfa and good hay and a minor mineral // vitamin //sodium supplement like GroStrong minerals .... and work out the amounts of each for a natural 14% feed .... Instead of waste products made from waste from human food or ethanol production ... I hope I saved at least one poor horse from their owner today ... lol ******************************************************************** Purina list the ingredients, actual name of stuff, on the bag. I can walk out to my barn and get a bag for you. Is it my fav feed, no but I know what's in it.
Purina uses generic terms indicating a formula that is not fixed on a majority of their feeds. |
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        Location: The Oklahoma plains. | dme0324 - 2014-01-30 8:58 AM livinonlove&horses - 2014-01-30 8:35 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-01-29 9:49 PM When you discover you are digging yourself into a hole ... you are supposed to stop and fill the hole back up with the dirt that came out of it ... lol Name one woman or health club food supplements that recommend you up your fat intake to turn it into muscle so you will return to being beautiful ..... pssssst ... fat is the reason you are working out to begin with ... so how do you eat more and turn it into muscle?? Choose any horse feed these two major mills make and find the actual ingredients that are in the pellets other than the generic names ... nutrients, amino acids, fat from vegetable oils, minerals ... all these are man made processed products and not in the form any type of grain ..... and formed into pellets with gluten from china ... Just watch the video and tell me if you hear any mention of oats, corn, alfalfa, hay or any other organic plant type sources for their feeds ... she sounds just like a fake dog rescue asking for donations .... lol ... http://www.nutrenaworld.com/products/horses/smart-grain-formulation... Do the same with any Purina product and you will find both companies are so evasive on what is actually in their feeds with a lot of marketing blah blah blah ... lol .. http://horse.purinamills.com/stellent/groups/public/@purinasites/do... You can hunt dig comb click scramble all you want to and you will NOT FIND THE INGREDIENTS in any of the products made by the two companies above ... just a lot of marketing blabbing ... I just made a statement on the sorry feeds horse owners are paying huge prices for and not even knowing what is in the feed .... .. you can add man made formulated processed crap to dog poop and make the analysis of it sound like it is a good food for your animals .. I dare you to post the INGREDIENTS of whatever feed you are feeding by scanning the tag and putting it here for everyone to see .... NOT THE ANALYSIS BUT THE INGREDIENTS ... and tell us what natural feed crop they are describing when using all of those the long words .... ******************************************************************* I will stay with Mother Nature's products of oats, corn, alfalfa and good hay and a minor mineral // vitamin //sodium supplement like GroStrong minerals .... and work out the amounts of each for a natural 14% feed .... Instead of waste products made from waste from human food or ethanol production ... I hope I saved at least one poor horse from their owner today ... lol ******************************************************************** Purina list the ingredients, actual name of stuff, on the bag. I can walk out to my barn and get a bag for you. Is it my fav feed, no but I know what's in it. Purina uses generic terms indicating a formula that is not fixed on a majority of their feeds.
Yes, that is true. Pretty sure the same is true for Nutrena. |
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      Location: West Tennessee | TurnLane - 2014-01-30 8:58 AM dme0324 - 2014-01-30 8:58 AM livinonlove&horses - 2014-01-30 8:35 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-01-29 9:49 PM When you discover you are digging yourself into a hole ... you are supposed to stop and fill the hole back up with the dirt that came out of it ... lol Name one woman or health club food supplements that recommend you up your fat intake to turn it into muscle so you will return to being beautiful ..... pssssst ... fat is the reason you are working out to begin with ... so how do you eat more and turn it into muscle?? Choose any horse feed these two major mills make and find the actual ingredients that are in the pellets other than the generic names ... nutrients, amino acids, fat from vegetable oils, minerals ... all these are man made processed products and not in the form any type of grain ..... and formed into pellets with gluten from china ... Just watch the video and tell me if you hear any mention of oats, corn, alfalfa, hay or any other organic plant type sources for their feeds ... she sounds just like a fake dog rescue asking for donations .... lol ... http://www.nutrenaworld.com/products/horses/smart-grain-formulation... Do the same with any Purina product and you will find both companies are so evasive on what is actually in their feeds with a lot of marketing blah blah blah ... lol .. http://horse.purinamills.com/stellent/groups/public/@purinasites/do... You can hunt dig comb click scramble all you want to and you will NOT FIND THE INGREDIENTS in any of the products made by the two companies above ... just a lot of marketing blabbing ... I just made a statement on the sorry feeds horse owners are paying huge prices for and not even knowing what is in the feed .... .. you can add man made formulated processed crap to dog poop and make the analysis of it sound like it is a good food for your animals .. I dare you to post the INGREDIENTS of whatever feed you are feeding by scanning the tag and putting it here for everyone to see .... NOT THE ANALYSIS BUT THE INGREDIENTS ... and tell us what natural feed crop they are describing when using all of those the long words .... ******************************************************************* I will stay with Mother Nature's products of oats, corn, alfalfa and good hay and a minor mineral // vitamin //sodium supplement like GroStrong minerals .... and work out the amounts of each for a natural 14% feed .... Instead of waste products made from waste from human food or ethanol production ... I hope I saved at least one poor horse from their owner today ... lol ******************************************************************** Purina list the ingredients, actual name of stuff, on the bag. I can walk out to my barn and get a bag for you. Is it my fav feed, no but I know what's in it. Purina uses generic terms indicating a formula that is not fixed on a majority of their feeds. Yes, that is true. Pretty sure the same is true for Nutrena.
It is - at least that's what we've found so far (and that I've read). I've been a little surprised at several of the 'mill feeds' we've looked at that also use the generic terms. I'd have thought they'd have been fixed formulas.
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    Location: Midwest | Comparing a horse's digestive tract to that of a human is not productive.
Horses can digest cellose... they are herbivores.... they have a large cecum... not comparable to a human |
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     Location: N Texas | Fancy Lass - 2014-01-30 6:17 AM
Well I could care less about Obama , that's for sure. Clearly I've missed alot since I've been gone ! Lol anyways back on subject .. Lets just ignore the people's comments that clearly don't know much . If I didn't feed my horse fat , she'd be rail lol shes already on all the hay she can eat also .. I hear adm feeds are good .. But I'm not familiar with any of them at all. What's a good feed by them that might suit my horse ?
I feed ADM SeniorGLO to my 27 year old and PrimeGLO to the the 6 and 9 year olds. They all look great! The senior gets about 7 pounds a day and the other two get about 3 pounds a day. That's what I like about PrimeGLO, you can feed a small amount and still get all the benefits. The feeds do not contain molasses, they are large, soft pellets that are easy for the horse to pick up and chew. I love the ADM feeds. I also fed TC Senior for a while, but wanted to switch to a feed that I could feed a little less of. I think they're both excellent choices.
I know you said you don't want to add a bunch of supplements, but I also add soaked alfalfa cubes to their feed. The senior also gets beet pulp, but that's because he can't chew hay as well as he used to, so needs the extra roughage. The younger two get it so that they're eating longer, because they eat the 3 pounds of PrimeGLO pretty quick, so this way they think they're getting more :)
Rice bran oil is also a good fat supplement. The horses I've fed it to don't have a problem with it being mixed in with their feed.
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     Location: N Texas | Fancy Lass - 2014-01-30 8:43 AM
Thanks for the articles ! I love to read them .. Has anyone actually switched from TC senior to TC complete or vice versa? Notice if your horse liked one more than the other ?
When I first started feeding TC, the senior got the senior feed and the young one got Complete. I eventually switched the young one to Senior because it was easier feeding them both the same thing. In my opinion, the Complete and Senior are very close, so switching was no big deal. The textures are extremely similar, and the ingredients are so close that I wasn't worried about a "switching over" period, I just waited till he was out of Complete and started him on Senior.
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      Location: West Tennessee | Gunner11 - 2014-01-30 9:04 AM Fancy Lass - 2014-01-30 6:17 AM Well I could care less about Obama , that's for sure. Clearly I've missed alot since I've been gone ! Lol anyways back on subject .. Lets just ignore the people's comments that clearly don't know much . If I didn't feed my horse fat , she'd be rail lol shes already on all the hay she can eat also .. I hear adm feeds are good .. But I'm not familiar with any of them at all. What's a good feed by them that might suit my horse ? I feed ADM SeniorGLO to my 27 year old and PrimeGLO to the the 6 and 9 year olds. They all look great! The senior gets about 7 pounds a day and the other two get about 3 pounds a day. That's what I like about PrimeGLO, you can feed a small amount and still get all the benefits. The feeds do not contain molasses, they are large, soft pellets that are easy for the horse to pick up and chew. I love the ADM feeds. I also fed TC Senior for a while, but wanted to switch to a feed that I could feed a little less of. I think they're both excellent choices. I know you said you don't want to add a bunch of supplements, but I also add soaked alfalfa cubes to their feed. The senior also gets beet pulp, but that's because he can't chew hay as well as he used to, so needs the extra roughage. The younger two get it so that they're eating longer, because they eat the 3 pounds of PrimeGLO pretty quick, so this way they think they're getting more : ) Rice bran oil is also a good fat supplement. The horses I've fed it to don't have a problem with it being mixed in with their feed. All of mine also have free choice hay.
Ok, I'm not being a witch - I promise:
but the ADM Senior Glo does have cane molasses in it. I don't know about the Prime Glo. Maybe I should say, our labels show molasses....
I didn't think it had molasses either but checking ingredients for the munchkins project, I found out otherwise |
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          Location: Kentucky | Bibliafarm - 2014-01-30 9:47 AM yes but you have to do it slow and keep them on it 30 days..to much flipping around d the horse will develop gut issues..have you tried just beetpulp and alfalfa pellets and add her supplements to it
I have an 18 year old and a 10 year old on TC Senior. I've added alfalfa pellets for about 3-4 months now and they look fantastic. They google up everything. |
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     Location: N Texas | dme0324 - 2014-01-30 9:16 AM
Gunner11 - 2014-01-30 9:04 AM Fancy Lass - 2014-01-30 6:17 AM Well I could care less about Obama , that's for sure. Clearly I've missed alot since I've been gone ! Lol anyways back on subject .. Lets just ignore the people's comments that clearly don't know much . If I didn't feed my horse fat , she'd be rail lol shes already on all the hay she can eat also .. I hear adm feeds are good .. But I'm not familiar with any of them at all. What's a good feed by them that might suit my horse ? I feed ADM SeniorGLO to my 27 year old and PrimeGLO to the the 6 and 9 year olds. They all look great! The senior gets about 7 pounds a day and the other two get about 3 pounds a day. That's what I like about PrimeGLO, you can feed a small amount and still get all the benefits. The feeds do not contain molasses, they are large, soft pellets that are easy for the horse to pick up and chew. I love the ADM feeds. I also fed TC Senior for a while, but wanted to switch to a feed that I could feed a little less of. I think they're both excellent choices. I know you said you don't want to add a bunch of supplements, but I also add soaked alfalfa cubes to their feed. The senior also gets beet pulp, but that's because he can't chew hay as well as he used to, so needs the extra roughage. The younger two get it so that they're eating longer, because they eat the 3 pounds of PrimeGLO pretty quick, so this way they think they're getting more : ) Rice bran oil is also a good fat supplement. The horses I've fed it to don't have a problem with it being mixed in with their feed. All of mine also have free choice hay.
Ok, I'm not being a witch - I promise:
but theΒ ADM Senior GloΒ does have cane molasses in it.Β I don't know about the PrimeΒ Glo.Β Β Maybe I should say, our labels show molasses....
I didn't think it had molasses either but checking ingredients for the munchkins project,Β I found out otherwiseΒ
Ok, I stand corrected :) I haven't looked at the ingredient list in so long. Let me rephrase...it's not coated in molasses to give it a sticky texture  |
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| I dont really have a goal with the NSC , other than she's a hotter horse .. But I doubt it makes a difference bc the previous owner had her in tribute kalm ultra & it has a NSC of 25% & she was no different on that ! She's just naturally a hot horse .. I don't think it matters what feed she's on if any at all. If I stay quiet with her she stays quieter . I just think its the way she's been handled in her past.. But i can get around it. Does the safe choice perform look like the safe choice original ? If so, that looks dry & unappetizing to me lol I will most likely try the TC complete.. But I won't switch her around alot.. I will search long & hard for the best option before I switch her. |
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    Location: Midwest | Fancy Lass - 2014-01-30 10:53 AM
I dont really have a goal with the NSC , other than she's a hotter horse .. But I doubt it makes a difference bc the previous owner had her in tribute kalm ultra & it has a NSC of 25% & she was no different on that ! She's just naturally a hot horse .. I don't think it matters what feed she's on if any at all. If I stay quiet with her she stays quieter . I just think its the way she's been handled in her past.. But i can get around it. Does the safe choice perform look like the safe choice original ? If so, that looks dry & unappetizing to me lol I will most likely try the TC complete.. But I won't switch her around alot.. I will search long & hard for the best option before I switch her.
My friend feeds the Safechoice senior.... it is not chalky like the original Safechoice.... it is more like a senior feed.
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| Ok :) I was wondering if it was all chalky like or not lol. All the nutrena feeds have high NSC % so I'm better off sticking with TC . I wanted to try the TC TLC for her bc it's similar to their senior but pelleted.. But of course my feed store doesn't carry it :( I think it would have been perfect for her too.. |
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      Location: West Tennessee | Fancy Lass - 2014-01-30 11:22 AM Ok :) I was wondering if it was all chalky like or not lol. All the nutrena feeds have high NSC % so I'm better off sticking with TC . I wanted to try the TC TLC for her bc it's similar to their senior but pelleted.. But of course my feed store doesn't carry it :( I think it would have been perfect for her too..
Isn't that the most frustrating thing in the world -- to find what you want to use via research but can't find the product. I'm still half ill over not being able to get the ADM products that we loved.
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| Yes, it is SO aggravating ! Bc I know that's the perfect feed for her lol. Does anyone have any experience with Buckeyes Cadence Ultra feed? |
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     Location: N Texas | Fancy Lass - 2014-01-30 11:22 AM
Ok :) I was wondering if it was all chalky like or not lol. All the nutrena feeds have high NSC % so I'm better off sticking with TC . I wanted to try the TC TLC for her bc it's similar to their senior but pelleted.. But of course my feed store doesn't carry it :( I think it would have been perfect for her too..
Can they order it for you? If they already carry TC, they should be able to get it for you. The feed store I get ADM from doesn't carry every single product, but can get whatever I need if they don't already have it. |
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