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Location: In the Hills of Texas | A lot of people don't realize that it was commerical feed companies that started Mad Cow Disease by putting ground bone and brain from animals into their feeds. Another example of being cheap and using everything possible to cut costs. There is a good reason why Proctor and Gamble has bought up some pet feed companies. They don't want to waste any by products. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | texas taz - 2014-01-30 5:21 PM Thank yall for the information! Very appreciated.
If I could get quality oats and Barley..that is what I would feed but the quality where I live are terrible so I gave up. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | hlynn - 2014-01-30 5:03 PM txaggiegal - 2014-01-30 6:00 PM hlynn - 2014-01-30 4:50 PM Purina is the low man on the totem pole. They have a decent tag. But there's no guarantee that they use the same amounts of each ingredient every time. And yes, with a non-fixed formula feed you could have two very different versions of your feed within a few bags. Processes feed isn't perfect. But companies like Triple Crown, Buckeye, Seminole, Blue Bonnet, ADM, and a few others are miles ahead of Purina/Nutrena. They have better ingredients. Better formulas. And better nutrition. If I could afford to feed raw materials to my herd, I would. But to get the nutrition from raw feeds that I get from TC Senior, I would have to spend quite a bit. Rice bran. Flax. Pre/probiotic. Alfalfa meal. Beet pulp. Soybean meal. Etc. So I choose to feed the best processed feed I can find. FYI Triple Crown is owned by Nutrena, some of their mills still produce it, however I know in TX the Nutrena Giddings plant produces TC They're not owned by Nutrena. They contracted Nutrena to mill their feed out west. That's it.
If Triple Crown is MILES AHEAD of Nutrena........why do they have them making their feed?
Have you actually EVER been in any of the feed milling manufacturing plants?
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Location: Texas | I feed ADM Patriot feed. Our feed store delivers it to our house. I do like Purina's amplify supplement. It's a nice alternative for horses who don't like oil top dressed in their feed. |
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Location: Kansas | Purina is not fixed formula becuse they adjust the amount of wheat mids, SBM, alfala, etc they use is varied to get the protein etc required. From the horses in avatar loks like it is working! No worries! |
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Location: Washington | Another proud feeder of Purina. Been using it for longer than most have been alive. Here is the beauty of it. Zero numbers of colic I have had since using it, no founder, no skin issues, no problem. The many horses I fed on it again no issues even when hauling HARD. And these horse ran big and won big.
Use what works for you they say....I still do.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | yes Purina dog food and horse food are by seperate companies under the same name.
The only Purina feed I have used is Ultium Growth (love loved it) and now Ultium competition. Love it as well. Horse looks and feels great and like stated above, never had a belly ache.
I have used Omelene and it was full of mold. (2-3 bags) and it wasn't outdated.
I also use Safechoice. These 2 brands are all I have in my area. I prefer the Safechoice, but was recommended to use the Ultium on my show horse and why change when it is doing what it should. |
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | Nevertooold - 2014-01-30 3:23 PM A lot of people don't realize that it was commerical feed companies that started Mad Cow Disease by putting ground bone and brain from animals into their feeds. Another example of being cheap and using everything possible to cut costs. There is a good reason why Proctor and Gamble has bought up some pet feed companies. They don't want to waste any by products.
Ya ever looked at what's in a McDonald's chicken nugget?   If they put byproducts in their food, can you imagine what the feed mills are doing? |
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Location: West Tennessee | I am coming to believe that it depends on the product about as much as the company. We're still not finished going through labels but Purina Strategy uses the generic terms (at least the labels we have collected so far) -- ADM even uses soybean hulls, I think it's the first ingredient in the Senior Glo -- it appears Purina Sr might be a fixed formula (listed ingredients) -- we haven't gotten to any Nutrena labels yet.
I'm in the same boat as several others -- can't get much of anything here. I just switched to a TC product combined with Purina amplify (I believe amplify is a fixed formula) because I can't get the ADM I liked anymore. I didn't want to switch but did the best I could with what's available & we're not in the middle of no where but apparently in a wasteland when it comes to grain.
To the OP -- I believe I brought up 'generic labels' -- it was not meant to be insulting. At least not from me. A couple of others well......
I wish we had even more samples to go through for this project / because I was hoping to have a better idea of what's what on labels & ingredients when we were through. But we're running out of time & will have to work with what we have. |
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I'm a Cry Baby
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Location: n.c. | I only feed the TC Senior to one here. That is the micro mini. And it is not consistent from bag to bag in appearance.
But it is the only thing she can/will eat and it keeps her fat. So, one bag a month it is. |
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| NJJ - 2014-01-30 6:27 PM
hlynn - 2014-01-30 5:03 PM txaggiegal - 2014-01-30 6:00 PM hlynn - 2014-01-30 4:50 PM Purina is the low man on the totem pole. They have a decent tag. But there's no guarantee that they use the same amounts of each ingredient every time. And yes, with a non-fixed formula feed you could have two very different versions of your feed within a few bags. Processes feed isn't perfect. But companies like Triple Crown, Buckeye, Seminole, Blue Bonnet, ADM, and a few others are miles ahead of Purina/Nutrena. They have better ingredients. Better formulas. And better nutrition. If I could afford to feed raw materials to my herd, I would. But to get the nutrition from raw feeds that I get from TC Senior, I would have to spend quite a bit. Rice bran. Flax. Pre/probiotic. Alfalfa meal. Beet pulp. Soybean meal. Etc. So I choose to feed the best processed feed I can find. FYI Triple Crown is owned by Nutrena, some of their mills still produce it, however I know in TX the Nutrena Giddings plant produces TC They're not owned by Nutrena. They contracted Nutrena to mill their feed out west. That's it.
Have you actually EVER been in any of the feed milling manufacturing plants?
I had heard they sold it but looked it up and they say nutrena is just milling . I talked to a guy who swears they sold it he was a high up guy at TC . SO guess nutrena is just making it.
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I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | justcruzin - 2014-01-30 6:52 PM Nevertooold - 2014-01-30 3:23 PM A lot of people don't realize that it was commerical feed companies that started Mad Cow Disease by putting ground bone and brain from animals into their feeds. Another example of being cheap and using everything possible to cut costs. There is a good reason why Proctor and Gamble has bought up some pet feed companies. They don't want to waste any by products. Ya ever looked at what's in a McDonald's chicken nugget? If they put byproducts in their food, can you imagine what the feed mills are doing?
You got that right and is the reason I quit eating processed foods. Makes it great when shopping since you never enter the middle aisles...
I heard that China was going to start processing our chicken..
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Location: Florida.. | Nevertooold - 2014-01-30 8:10 PM justcruzin - 2014-01-30 6:52 PM Nevertooold - 2014-01-30 3:23 PM A lot of people don't realize that it was commerical feed companies that started Mad Cow Disease by putting ground bone and brain from animals into their feeds. Another example of being cheap and using everything possible to cut costs. There is a good reason why Proctor and Gamble has bought up some pet feed companies. They don't want to waste any by products. Ya ever looked at what's in a McDonald's chicken nugget? If they put byproducts in their food, can you imagine what the feed mills are doing?
I heard that China was going to start processing our chicken..
Its a conspiracy.. china killed off dogs from their chicken jerky.. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Bibliafarm - 2014-01-30 6:14 PM Nevertooold - 2014-01-30 8:10 PM justcruzin - 2014-01-30 6:52 PM Nevertooold - 2014-01-30 3:23 PM A lot of people don't realize that it was commerical feed companies that started Mad Cow Disease by putting ground bone and brain from animals into their feeds. Another example of being cheap and using everything possible to cut costs. There is a good reason why Proctor and Gamble has bought up some pet feed companies. They don't want to waste any by products. Ya ever looked at what's in a McDonald's chicken nugget? If they put byproducts in their food, can you imagine what the feed mills are doing?
I heard that China was going to start processing our chicken..
I hate the thought of eating anything from there |
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Location: a secret | Ok off purine for a moment what is he feedback on buckeye feeds anyone??? |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | So how come feed prices haven't come down yet since commodity prices are in the toilet? |
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I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-01-30 7:41 PM Bibliafarm - 2014-01-30 6:14 PM Nevertooold - 2014-01-30 8:10 PM justcruzin - 2014-01-30 6:52 PM Nevertooold - 2014-01-30 3:23 PM A lot of people don't realize that it was commerical feed companies that started Mad Cow Disease by putting ground bone and brain from animals into their feeds. Another example of being cheap and using everything possible to cut costs. There is a good reason why Proctor and Gamble has bought up some pet feed companies. They don't want to waste any by products. Ya ever looked at what's in a McDonald's chicken nugget? If they put byproducts in their food, can you imagine what the feed mills are doing?
I heard that China was going to start processing our chicken..
A few years ago I bought a bag of Organic Broccoli and it came from China..Needless to say..I now read all labels.. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | HotPants - 2014-01-30 7:41 PM Ok off purine for a moment what is he feedback on buckeye feeds anyone???
I know years ago they were a good company..Don't have a clue about them now. Haven't seen any of their feed in over 18 years. |
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 More bootie than waist!
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Hollywood's Fan - 2014-01-30 5:15 PM
texas taz - 2014-01-31 4:09 PM Boy is this ever an eye opener. I thought I was doing good feeding WellSolve Low Starch Low Sugar. Now what????
Those of you on here that hate Purina, What do you feed?
Mix my own, barley, oats and corn. Two parts barley, two parts oats to one part corn. Then I feed Dynamite minerals. At least I know they are getting whole grain, no molasses and the best minerals on the market (IMO).
A horse that needs a low starch diet cannot have corn, barley or oats. All are very high in starch. |
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Location: In my own world | Hollywood's Fan - 2014-01-30 5:00 PM Nevertooold - 2014-01-31 3:22 PM I would say that Purina finally stepped up to the plate...they haven't before. They have always listed ingredients on their bags but it was with grain by products etc instead of listing what actual grains were in their feed. I've been a hater and will continue to be. Purina sucks..LOL I don't like it either. Wheat Middings and Soy Hulls. I wonder, does the OP know what those are?
Yes I know what those are...my husband was a trucker and has hauled many loads of both. Do you know what pasta is? And no I'm not talking about spaghetti |
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