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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | My broodmares are on the creek so have water whenever they want it but it is cold cold. The horses in the corral have it morning noon and at dark when I break it open. The 2 I am putting in the barn right now get a bucket until it freezes. The riding horses have an electric tank when they come down by the corral that stays open 99% of the time. The heater in it is pretty poor and if we have sub zero temps with wind, it will freeze over. |
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Location: MI | We have a stock tank with a heater, the horses and our 2 beef steers have water always. Our dogs, chickens, and ducks share a heated 5gal bucket of water, and the barn cats have a heated 5gal bucket...our pig is the only one without heated water, she gets fresh 2x/day and seems to be ok with it. She has access to snow too if she really wants, but really she is just spoiled.  |
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | redmansmyman11 - 2014-02-07 4:08 PM
My boy has a 25 gallon tank and I haul out a bucket of the hottest water I can get from my faucet first thing in the morning, before class, around 2, again at 5-6, and finally another set of hot water buckets around 10:30 to 11:00 when I go to bed.
I scoop out 1-2 buckets of the ice and frozen water and replace with the hot. Figure he's the only one I have with me now and he's 50 feet from my back door it won't kill me to make sure he has water 85% of the day/night.
Unless your using the hot to help break ice up save the hot water. It actually freezes faster then cold does.  |
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| rollingrfarm - 2014-02-07 2:27 PM
Thanks, that's all very interesting. I figured that eating snow would make them cold and cause them to burn more calories.
Thanks for the reminder to go get more salt...
Everyone keep warm!
Pouring the salt to the horse can cause an electrolyte imbalance |
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| ndiehl - 2014-02-07 4:35 PM
redmansmyman11 - 2014-02-07 4:08 PM
My boy has a 25 gallon tank and I haul out a bucket of the hottest water I can get from my faucet first thing in the morning, before class, around 2, again at 5-6, and finally another set of hot water buckets around 10:30 to 11:00 when I go to bed.
I scoop out 1-2 buckets of the ice and frozen water and replace with the hot. Figure he's the only one I have with me now and he's 50 feet from my back door it won't kill me to make sure he has water 85% of the day/night.
Unless your using the hot to help break ice up save the hot water. It actually freezes faster then cold does.
Please show the research, I have heard this but it does not make any logical sense, due to it takes more energy loss to drop a 40 degree temp to 32 degree temp, then 32 degree liquid to 32 degree ice. |
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Location: No place like home | Heater in tanks or keep the water open for them. |
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| We have solar power so can't run a tank heater so I truck water twice per day so they have fresh water, in those clear big jugs, it's a pain and we r working on something easier!!! |
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | cheryl makofka - 2014-02-07 7:45 PM
ndiehl - 2014-02-07 4:35 PM
redmansmyman11 - 2014-02-07 4:08 PM
My boy has a 25 gallon tank and I haul out a bucket of the hottest water I can get from my faucet first thing in the morning, before class, around 2, again at 5-6, and finally another set of hot water buckets around 10:30 to 11:00 when I go to bed.
I scoop out 1-2 buckets of the ice and frozen water and replace with the hot. Figure he's the only one I have with me now and he's 50 feet from my back door it won't kill me to make sure he has water 85% of the day/night.
Unless your using the hot to help break ice up save the hot water. It actually freezes faster then cold does.
Please show the research, I have heard this but it does not make any logical sense, due to it takes more energy loss to drop a 40 degree temp to 32 degree temp, then 32 degree liquid to 32 degree ice.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/hot_water.html
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Location: Online | In a perfect world I would have automatic waterers or stock tank heaters everywhere, but it's just not possible right now. The closest trough has a heater in it, the rest are too far away from power. They just have to learn to drink it cold. I keep the ice cleaned out as much as possible. |
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Location: Utah | I have an automatic waterer for my big group of horses & cows, and the rest have heaters put in their water and access all day. |
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Location: on my horse | ndiehl - 2014-02-07 3:35 PM
redmansmyman11 - 2014-02-07 4:08 PM
My boy has a 25 gallon tank and I haul out a bucket of the hottest water I can get from my faucet first thing in the morning, before class, around 2, again at 5-6, and finally another set of hot water buckets around 10:30 to 11:00 when I go to bed.
I scoop out 1-2 buckets of the ice and frozen water and replace with the hot. Figure he's the only one I have with me now and he's 50 feet from my back door it won't kill me to make sure he has water 85% of the day/night.
Unless your using the hot to help break ice up save the hot water. It actually freezes faster then cold does.
I use the hot water so he has water to drink at a comfortable temperature. I don't do it as a thawing thing or to keep it unfrozen longer. I don't like drinking ice cold water and I'm sure he doesn't either because he always drinks right after I heat it up  |
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Location: Here | cheryl makofka - 2014-02-07 7:45 PM ndiehl - 2014-02-07 4:35 PM redmansmyman11 - 2014-02-07 4:08 PM My boy has a 25 gallon tank and I haul out a bucket of the hottest water I can get from my faucet first thing in the morning, before class, around 2, again at 5-6, and finally another set of hot water buckets around 10:30 to 11:00 when I go to bed. I scoop out 1-2 buckets of the ice and frozen water and replace with the hot. Figure he's the only one I have with me now and he's 50 feet from my back door it won't kill me to make sure he has water 85% of the day/night. Unless your using the hot to help break ice up save the hot water. It actually freezes faster then cold does. Please show the research, I have heard this but it does not make any logical sense, due to it takes more energy loss to drop a 40 degree temp to 32 degree temp, then 32 degree liquid to 32 degree ice.
I dont care what math says. Actually I read your link and it isn't an always ;) I have tried both in my barn. stalls side by side same muck bucket. the warm water bucket would not freeze over as quick and as thick as the cold water bucket
Edited by SG. 2014-02-07 9:23 PM
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Location: Here | ndiehl - 2014-02-07 8:14 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-02-07 7:45 PM ndiehl - 2014-02-07 4:35 PM redmansmyman11 - 2014-02-07 4:08 PM My boy has a 25 gallon tank and I haul out a bucket of the hottest water I can get from my faucet first thing in the morning, before class, around 2, again at 5-6, and finally another set of hot water buckets around 10:30 to 11:00 when I go to bed. I scoop out 1-2 buckets of the ice and frozen water and replace with the hot. Figure he's the only one I have with me now and he's 50 feet from my back door it won't kill me to make sure he has water 85% of the day/night. Unless your using the hot to help break ice up save the hot water. It actually freezes faster then cold does. Please show the research, I have heard this but it does not make any logical sense, due to it takes more energy loss to drop a 40 degree temp to 32 degree temp, then 32 degree liquid to 32 degree ice. Under some conditions the initially warmer water will freeze first. If this occurs, we have seen the Mpemba effect. Of course, the initially warmer water will not freeze before the initially cooler water for all initial conditions. If the hot water starts at 99.9°C, and the cold water at 0.01°C, then clearly under those circumstances, the initially cooler water will freeze first. However, under some conditions the initially warmer water will freeze first: if that happens, you have seen the Mpemba effect. But you will not see the Mpemba effect for just any initial temperatures, container shapes, or cooling conditions. |
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Location: South Dakota | We have an artesian well so ours have warm water all winter. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | MO gal - 2014-02-07 1:55 PM
CYA Ranch - 2014-02-07 12:24 PM
I also know lots of big ranches that don't have open water - the horses eat snow.
You can actually freeze to death from melting snow with your body temp. Not sure if the extra body mass of horses make a difference, but it takes too many calories to melt the snow. Do it long enough and you've dropped your body temp too much. My FIL, surgeon, told me that when he felt I wasn't giving the horses good enough access to water and letting them eat snow. Just my informational nugget of information for the month. LOL
Apparently horses don't know this. We are running 27 head of bucking horses for a friend. They are on about 1000+ acres, are not being feed hay and often don't come to the tank for a few days to a WEEK at a time. (And they aren't sneaking in at night as there are NO tracks in the new snow.) They easy snow or frost BY CHOICE. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | My own horses get the ice broken and removed from the tank. (As much as possible. All floating ice is removed. ) 7am, 2pm and 7pm. They also break it themselves between those times until it gets too thick.[ like it will overnight] |
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Location: Central Montana | Ours have it 24/7. I have goldfish in my water tanks and I'm paranoid something is going to happen to them
Yesterday it was 44 below zero with the windchill and about 30 below mean temp the two days before that were not a lot better, today it finally got above zero. The heaters in the tanks have been running non stop since Sunday night. Usually we turn them on for about 3 hours at night and another 2-3 hours in the morning.
I can only wish for auto waterers. We have stock tanks with heaters in them that we fill with a hose and have to be very careful draining the hose when we are done to make sure there is no water left in it to freeze it up. I'm taking no chance of colic, we feed hay all year round, as close to 100% alfalfa as we can get. The horses actually drink more in the winter. I think they like the warm water. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Had to go help a horse friend one frigid day last winter. Her horses only water source was a pond, which had served its purpose well for awhile. She mistakenly thought the horses would just break through the ice at the edge as always, since the pond rarely got much ice on it. We had a cold snap for several days, where the temps were 20s and below during the day. She went out one morning to find one of her mares had walked onto the pond and made it about 100 feet out before falling through. Nearly lost that mare, and it could have been prevented by simply breaking through for a few drinking holes morning and night. No snow on the ground, so horses were dehydrated.
When I lived in NH, horses had their buckets and tanks de-iced am and pm, and did great. But, they were fed twice a day using squares and did not have their heads buried in a round 24/7. I used to give my horse beet pulp during cold snaps, but would also soak all his grain in warm water. I was just a kid making a warm mash for my horse, but I never had a colic in the winter.
Vets and students at OSU are noticing a huge increase in impaction colics in the last few weeks. Every one of them comes in dehydrated. |
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Location: Montana | My horse has access to automatic waterer, so they can have as much as they want whenever they want, except for the time the other horse out there pulled the drainplug out...some horses are too smart for their own good.  |
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Location: Jersey Girl | They have access 24/7. They have a great new invention called a tub heater  |
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