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Location: Washington | I assure you Scott, we care. Just no need to come onto a board and shout from the roof tops.
I can't control what others do, I can only control what happens on this property. I vote, I make phone calls, but hell who are we kidding. Take care of yourself and prepare.
Kelly, we have plenty of hay here, but you will pay for it, heck we are paying for it due to good ole "Supply and Demand." Only you can decide if you can make a profit by breeding your mare and paying for how many years of feed and care.
Good luck with your decision.
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Location: Where I am happiest | docschic - 2014-02-18 9:48 AM I feel for you guys out west. It's not going to be pretty at all, I hate to say it but I see the 30's coming back and that scares the ever living crap out of me.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I just looked up the boeuf-tensas water project because I heard at our last conservation district meeting (I'm an elected official--scary huh? LOL) that it might be getting jump started again, and found this statement from a meeting last summer: "Water is becoming too expensive for some agricultural applications in the western states, where irrigation was regularly used to compensate for lack of rainfall. As a result, irrigated production is moving to eastern “rain-fed” states, Branch said." The guy who said that is a former water sources specialist with LSU. So. Apparently even before the latest crisis, there was awareness of the problem and yet it was allowed to rock on...for what ultimate purpose? | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | fatchance - 2014-02-18 9:55 AM
I assure you Scott, we care. Just no need to come onto a board and shout from the roof tops.
I can't control what others do, I can only control what happens on this property. I vote, I make phone calls, but hell who are we kidding. Take care of yourself and prepare.
Kelly, we have plenty of hay here, but you will pay for it, heck we are paying for it due to good ole "Supply and Demand." Only you can decide if you can make a profit by breeding your mare and paying for how many years of feed and care.
Good luck with your decision.
I look at it differently. In fact, getting people to shout from the rooftops whenever and wherever we can is exactly what's needed. As a matter of fact, that is essentially what this thread is doing. More and more people are realizing that it might take nothing short of a "revolt" to make a difference that is worthwhile. That "revolt" originates in town hall meetings, coffee shops, the kitchen tables, and yes, on the internet. Everyone who has participated on this thread is playing a part in that much needed "revolt".
This is nothing new to this nation. We started out this way as a nation, in fact. That revolt started with the stamp tax act, and other acts of tyranny that followed. Those people risked all they had to step outside of their own selfish concerns to rise up against tyranny. Just because that all happened about 2 1/2 centuries ago doesn't mean it can't happen again. History repeats itself....always has....always will. | |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Whiteboy - 2014-02-18 9:16 AM I personally dont think that hay prices, especially in my area are ever going to exceed $200 a ton. The market cant afford it to be any higher. The primary hay purchaser is the dairy industry and if prices go higher it will force the milk producers out of business. The foreign markets couldn't support higher prices either. I think we are safe as far as feed prices go.
We buy our hay from our next door neighbor. However, supply and demand will drive the prices. With so many, in 11 western states effected by the lack of irrigation water, supply will be low which will drive the prices way up and who ever has hay, will be trucking that hay out. | |
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Location: Buffalo, TX | Please don't think I'm a doomsayer, but there is a lot going on right now that may even be calculated to send this country into a tailspin.....
I'm not as worried about water in my area as I am another drought driving hay prices sky high again.....I am lucky to have a spring fed pond....but I do hear about water troubles in other areas that would be very scary to me if I lived there....and I do understand how political it is (like everything else, we are at the government's mercy)....
I'm more worried about feed prices, food prices, and the inevitable stock market crash that is coming....our country can't sustain the lack of jobs, endless giveaways, and especially all the printing of money that is not backed by gold or anything at all anymore....this just can't continue the way it is.....feed and food will go sky high in the event of a crash....
I don't trust our government to lead us out of this mess....all I can do is try to prepare myself the best I can....I stock food, I own gold and plenty of silver....and I've been doing the only thing that can secure my future no matter what, and that's buying real estate....I'm buying rental property for cash flow.....it's the perfect storm right now in the real estate up and down cycle.....it's really a golden age for buying...the perfect buying opportunity that won't be seen again for probably over 15 years.....interest rates are rock bottom, home prices are just starting to show a slow rise, and rents are high.....banks are still sitting on a lot of foreclosure properties and we have maybe 2-3 years to take advantage of this...I can guarantee you that those who buy decent rent houses at the right prices in the next couple years and hold on to it will be millionaires in 10 years...I wasn't going to say this, but it might help someone out there do their research and be sitting very well in a few years.....
It's not just water...it all works together to form a pattern of losing our rights....
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Location: Buffalo, TX | HotbearLVR - 2014-02-18 9:36 AM This thread just serves to illustrate how most people don't really give a rats ass about the direction this country is headed.......UNTIL it effects them personally. Then, all of a sudden, people are up in arms. ObamaCare has stirred the masses like nothing before it because people are starting to realize the extent to which it is disrupting this country. People are seeing how this effects the job market, insurance premiums, and the economy in general. As long as an individual's Ox isn't gored, that individual generally doesn't care. Well, now most people are effected. Different things seem to get people up in arms. For some, it may be jobs. For others it's the cost of healthcare. For others, it's the cost of fuel and the scarcity of water. For other's it's a matter of being able to afford to feed their horses. This is not some crisis that has developed overnight. It's been decades in the making. It seems to me that the sheer number and weight of all these crises is finally beginning to reach critical mass. People from both ends of the political spectrum are beginning to realize we are living under a tyrannical regime where a President has assumed the mantle of supreme ruler. To make matters worse, we have a situations where the inmates are running the asylum........the "takers" outnumber the producers and providers. I really think it is going to require a huge crisis of epic proportions to teach this country the lesson we ought to have learned long ago.
Oh, it's coming alright, and most will be blindsided when it does....follow the curve of the stock market leading up to the 1929 crash and it's exactly the same now....it's a wreck waiting to happen, and when it does, we won't recover like we did in 1929....things are different now.....and I do believe that it will be a calculated crash engineered to benefit those in power who will be waiting in the wings to grab up stocks at rock bottom prices and take advantage of the weak and unprepared in any way they can.....and the first thing to be affected will be the food supply and the government will have us right in their palm....
Scott is 100% right that this has been a long time coming and it's being done in a way that most of us are unaware or apathetic because we want our lives to continue on the same daily path without paying attention to what goes on around us.....that way of thinking is no worse than those at the bottom who take all the freebies and don't care what goes on because all they want is to be taken care of however the government decides....we are pawns in the game being played by our government officials and those who want to seize power, and this administration has ramped it up like no other before it....and I'm convinced that the RINO's are standing back and doing nothing so all of these power plays will be in place when it's their turn to be in charge....that's why they are so scared of the Ted Cruz's of the world...there just aren't enough of them.....
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Location: Where I am happiest | Hotbear and Cindy, I think your right. All the factors comming together is creating the perfect storm and all the straws together is creating a load the camels back is about to break.
Hotbear, you mentioned catching the rain water/snow melt. My husband and I watched a show on the discovery channel last weekend called Buying Alaska. They had metal roofs on the houses and the drain spouts led into a purification system and then into a big holding tank for fresh water on a tiny Alaskan island. This supplied plenty of water for the entire property. However, due to our tyrannical govt. in all their infinate wisdom, in many western states, the state believes they also own the rain water and it is illegal to catch and use the rain water God provides.
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Location: Never in one place long | It should be no surprise that the West is having water problems.... we have built up HUGE populations in areas that cannot sustain them in the long run, the truth is there is not enough water and we are running things dry.... Cadillac Desert is a great book to read explaining these issues. The populations cannot and will not be sustained in these areas that were meant to be DESERTS and yet we have turned them into lush areas using the water at alarming rates.... in addition damaging ecosystems. 1,000's of acres of water intensive crops are planted in areas that they NEVER should have been with the amount of rainfall in the area.
I am not surprised about this at all and I do believe the economy is going to get much worse. That is the reason I have decided to only have two horses, pay off all debt as quickly as possible and start saving... it's a smart thing to do in any time but especially uncertain times and they are coming... maybe not now or in the next year but sooner then we think...you are smart to question breeding your horse in my opinion..... | |
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Location: Never in one place long | ThreeCorners - 2014-02-18 11:22 AM
Hotbear and Cindy, I think your right. All the factors comming together is creating the perfect storm and all the straws together is creating a load the camels back is about to break.
Hotbear, you mentioned catching the rain water/snow melt. My husband and I watched a show on the discovery channel last weekend called Buying Alaska. They had metal roofs on the houses and the drain spouts led into a purification system and then into a big holding tank for fresh water on a tiny Alaskan island. This supplied plenty of water for the entire property. However, due to our tyrannical govt. in all their infinate wisdom, in many western states, the state believes they also own the rain water and it is illegal to catch and use the rain water God provides.
yep, this is true and SAD!! In an arid area, it is actually better to "hold" the water in one place as long as possible!! They are ignoring this fact and who gives the government permission to deny you to collect WATER ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY!!!!! I can see bannig the bottling of water for profit but this seriously!!! | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Cindy Hamilton - 2014-02-18 10:52 AM Please don't think I'm a doomsayer, but there is a lot going on right now that may even be calculated to send this country into a tailspin.....
I'm not as worried about water in my area as I am another drought driving hay prices sky high again.....I am lucky to have a spring fed pond....but I do hear about water troubles in other areas that would be very scary to me if I lived there....and I do understand how political it is (like everything else, we are at the government's mercy)....
I'm more worried about feed prices, food prices, and the inevitable stock market crash that is coming....our country can't sustain the lack of jobs, endless giveaways, and especially all the printing of money that is not backed by gold or anything at all anymore....this just can't continue the way it is.....feed and food will go sky high in the event of a crash....
I don't trust our government to lead us out of this mess....all I can do is try to prepare myself the best I can....I stock food, I own gold and plenty of silver....and I've been doing the only thing that can secure my future no matter what, and that's buying real estate....I'm buying rental property for cash flow.....it's the perfect storm right now in the real estate up and down cycle.....it's really a golden age for buying...the perfect buying opportunity that won't be seen again for probably over 15 years.....interest rates are rock bottom, home prices are just starting to show a slow rise, and rents are high.....banks are still sitting on a lot of foreclosure properties and we have maybe 2-3 years to take advantage of this...I can guarantee you that those who buy decent rent houses at the right prices in the next couple years and hold on to it will be millionaires in 10 years...I wasn't going to say this, but it might help someone out there do their research and be sitting very well in a few years.....
It's not just water...it all works together to form a pattern of losing our rights....
My tinfoil hat and I totally believe our country is being dismantled purposely with the ultimate goal of globalization (aka one world government). | |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | ThreeCorners - 2014-02-18 10:22 AM Hotbear and Cindy, I think your right. All the factors comming together is creating the perfect storm and all the straws together is creating a load the camels back is about to break.
Hotbear, you mentioned catching the rain water/snow melt. My husband and I watched a show on the discovery channel last weekend called Buying Alaska. They had metal roofs on the houses and the drain spouts led into a purification system and then into a big holding tank for fresh water on a tiny Alaskan island. This supplied plenty of water for the entire property. However, due to our tyrannical govt. in all their infinate wisdom, in many western states, the state believes they also own the rain water and it is illegal to catch and use the rain water God provides.
I wasn't going to reply to this thread cuz you're all doing fine without me! BUT...I have to now!
I question why we all say that the government owns anything?
I'm desperately trying to understand, precisely, how we came to be here.
We are the United States...the states formed then created the federal government, not the other way around. YET...not all states were created equal! This is the real guts of the problem...the ulcer.
The Civil War was about states rights...the north 'won' & look where we are. The original 13 states gained control over the rest...through congress. Congress refused to give equal footing to the new states "until the population was such..." but it never happened...enter the fed...the EPA...
Is there a possibility that the 'new' states could finally sign the Declaration of Independence and gain equal footing?
There is a movement to assert our Rights that is growing stronger & more necessary by the day. It's just too complicated to summarize or simplify & it's an individual fight. The Power of One.
WE are the government & until we demand our rights, one at a time, we won't have any.
My blood runs cold when I think of the terrible possibilities, no water...no life. And no amount of gold/silver can buy what doesn't exist...food, fuel...
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Location: Never in one place long | ThreeCorners - 2014-02-18 9:58 AM
I think desalination plants are the answere.
They are EXTREMELY expensive and energy consuming.... that is why they are not more commonly used... maybe if they find a better, cheaper way they will be useful... | |
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Location: Buffalo, TX | Three 4 Luck - 2014-02-18 12:00 PM Cindy Hamilton - 2014-02-18 10:52 AM Please don't think I'm a doomsayer, but there is a lot going on right now that may even be calculated to send this country into a tailspin.....
I'm not as worried about water in my area as I am another drought driving hay prices sky high again.....I am lucky to have a spring fed pond....but I do hear about water troubles in other areas that would be very scary to me if I lived there....and I do understand how political it is (like everything else, we are at the government's mercy)....
I'm more worried about feed prices, food prices, and the inevitable stock market crash that is coming....our country can't sustain the lack of jobs, endless giveaways, and especially all the printing of money that is not backed by gold or anything at all anymore....this just can't continue the way it is.....feed and food will go sky high in the event of a crash....
I don't trust our government to lead us out of this mess....all I can do is try to prepare myself the best I can....I stock food, I own gold and plenty of silver....and I've been doing the only thing that can secure my future no matter what, and that's buying real estate....I'm buying rental property for cash flow.....it's the perfect storm right now in the real estate up and down cycle.....it's really a golden age for buying...the perfect buying opportunity that won't be seen again for probably over 15 years.....interest rates are rock bottom, home prices are just starting to show a slow rise, and rents are high.....banks are still sitting on a lot of foreclosure properties and we have maybe 2-3 years to take advantage of this...I can guarantee you that those who buy decent rent houses at the right prices in the next couple years and hold on to it will be millionaires in 10 years...I wasn't going to say this, but it might help someone out there do their research and be sitting very well in a few years.....
It's not just water...it all works together to form a pattern of losing our rights....
My tinfoil hat and I totally believe our country is being dismantled purposely with the ultimate goal of globalization (aka one world government).
WHEW....and I thought I was the only one with the tin hat....I am really preparing for the stock market crash...not an alien take over...on the other hand, aliens could probably run this country better than what it is now anyway.... | |
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| ThreeCorners - 2014-02-18 10:29 AM Whiteboy - 2014-02-18 9:16 AM I personally dont think that hay prices, especially in my area are ever going to exceed $200 a ton. The market cant afford it to be any higher. The primary hay purchaser is the dairy industry and if prices go higher it will force the milk producers out of business. The foreign markets couldn't support higher prices either. I think we are safe as far as feed prices go. We buy our hay from our next door neighbor. However, supply and demand will drive the prices. With so many, in 11 western states effected by the lack of irrigation water, supply will be low which will drive the prices way up and who ever has hay, will be trucking that hay out.
It is still pretty easy to out price your demand. Thats why dairy farmers have started feeding more biproducts. There is a certain price that if hay passes, it no longer is cost effective to purchase it. For dairy farmers it is apx. $200. If it passes that dairys have to sell out, and demand will drop. Dairies consume 65% of nations hay and exports are only 20%. No industry can out price 65% of their customers and live to tell about it. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Whiteboy - 2014-02-18 12:36 PM ThreeCorners - 2014-02-18 10:29 AM Whiteboy - 2014-02-18 9:16 AM I personally dont think that hay prices, especially in my area are ever going to exceed $200 a ton. The market cant afford it to be any higher. The primary hay purchaser is the dairy industry and if prices go higher it will force the milk producers out of business. The foreign markets couldn't support higher prices either. I think we are safe as far as feed prices go. We buy our hay from our next door neighbor. However, supply and demand will drive the prices. With so many, in 11 western states effected by the lack of irrigation water, supply will be low which will drive the prices way up and who ever has hay, will be trucking that hay out.
Demand destruction is real and we cotton farmers are living it. | |
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| RLB - 2014-02-18 12:15 PM I'm just flat terrified in general.
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