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Location: mi | I fall into the procrastinators catagory. In my defense I have had 4 colts and breed ApHC. Once they are gelded the fees no longer rise it is a set $50 to register a gelding no matter what age. So I wait until they are gelded the spring of their yearling year on purpose. Then I am the worlds worst photo taker and it takes me awhile to get cute pictures I refuse to put bad ones on their papers for the rest of their life. :) Finally one of my mares is grey so I might as well wait until the foal gets to its final color. Most are registered by the end of the summer their yearling year. But my I did just get the papers back on my 5 year old. He was pretty homely and not photogenic he took longer then normal to get a good shot of.
All that being said if they were going up for sale the papers would be in the mail to the club before the ad went up. I would not sell them on a cert. unless it was to a friend that really wanted to name them themselves.
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Location: N Texas | Ashton94 - 2014-02-25 12:06 PM
I bought a 3 yo (2009 ) mare in July 2012 with the intentions of running her. The next January I found out she was pregnant. I called the guy I bought her from & he said they did breed her but she never checked in foal. We did the DNA test, took pics, & sent the $ to get her registered but we can't proceed without the breeders signature & for some reason, he wont sign. He wont return my calls or letters. AQHA has contacted him but still nothing.... She's such a nice filly. It's really frustrating.
Here's her pedigree-
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/chromed+out+bunny
Several years ago I bought a really nice registered mare for dirt cheap. The girl who owned her had tried to breed her to her stud, but apparently it didn't take, so she put her up for sale. A few months after I got her, I noticed she was looking a little fuller, so had her vet checked and sure enough, she was in foal. I contacted the girl I got the horse from and she was just beside herself that the mare was in fact pregnant, started throwing these offers out to buy the foal, then to buy the mare back, and was super flakey and kept going back and forth. We could never agree to anything, so I asked if she could do a breeding report so when the baby was born I could get it registered. Never heard back from her and I ended up selling the mare before she foaled because I didn't want to mess with all that. I gave the new owners her contact info, but I highly doubt they were ever able to get the foal registered. Such a shame because it would've been a really nice baby. |
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| Yes I register my colts immediately. And yes it bothers me when people don't pay those colts into programs they are eligible for like Future Fortunes.
It is sooooo much cheaper when they're babies people!!
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Location: SE KS | I have one foal a year & it is registered by 6mnths. I also register my geldings. I sold a gelding awhile back, n was interested in buying him back, but he's never been transferred, which makes him hard to track!! Same way with progeny out of my mare, would be interested in some of her daughters, except the people on their papers don't have them any more!
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| In the past I have sold babies with their breeders certificate which is also their papers to be registered to match racers and to mexico drill teams and those foals never got registered. The match racing horses were fantastic money earners but not eligible to go to the track and go on my mare's produce records ... so it makes my mares look like they skipped years and might be associated with breeding problems which is a bad thing if you go to sell the mare ...
I REGISTER EVERYTHING WHILE STILL NURSING AND ALSO PAY THEM INTO THE OKLAHOMA BRED RACING PROGRAM WHICH IS ADDITIONAL PURSE MONEY ADDED JUST FOR OKLA BRED HORSES!!! THIS ALSO INCLUDES DOING DNA PARENTAGE VERIFICATION TESTING THRU AQHA ... AMOUNTS TO $125 PER BABY ...
I look at it this way .... if you do not like the name I give a baby ... then send AQHA $50 and get it changed to your preference ... everything else is already paid for ...
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Location: Freestone TX | I had a breeder do an embryo out of one of my top producers......and it was never registered. I know it was alive up until it was a yearling as I saw photos of it. |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | NoNoBadGirl - 2014-02-25 4:20 PM I had a breeder do an embryo out of one of my top producers......and it was never registered. I know it was alive up until it was a yearling as I saw photos of it. Wow! All that expense of getting one on the ground and no papers. That blows my mind.
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-02-25 3:08 PM In the past I have sold babies with their breeders certificate which is also their papers to be registered to match racers and to mexico drill teams and those foals never got registered. The match racing horses were fantastic money earners but not eligible to go to the track and go on my mare's produce records ... so it makes my mares look like they skipped years and might be associated with breeding problems which is a bad thing if you go to sell the mare ... I REGISTER EVERYTHING WHILE STILL NURSING AND ALSO PAY THEM INTO THE OKLAHOMA BRED RACING PROGRAM WHICH IS ADDITIONAL PURSE MONEY ADDED JUST FOR OKLA BRED HORSES!!! THIS ALSO INCLUDES DOING DNA PARENTAGE VERIFICATION TESTING THRU AQHA ... AMOUNTS TO $125 PER BABY ... I look at it this way .... if you do not like the name I give a baby ... then send AQHA $50 and get it changed to your preference ... everything else is already paid for ...
Right on....
The way I see it, it's almost worse for the mare owner than the stallion owner to not register the foals, for the reasons you mentioned.
When looking to buy a broodmare I will pick one that's had several registered foals consecutively over one that appears to skip a few years. Even though she may well have been producing babies that were not recorded.
It's hard to have proof of their babies if they're not registered.
And with *most* mares only producing one foal a year vs. a stallion that will sire several, it's tougher on the mare's production record than the studs.
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Location: Northeast Nebraska | SaraJean - 2014-02-25 10:11 AM Mine have all been registered before they turned 6 months old.....if you can't afford the wopping $30 to get them registered you probably shouldn't be raising a foal. I don't see any good reason not to register them, it protects the horse down the road as we all know that a registered horse has a better chance in the world than a grade one. And it also opens the door for the owner to sell for more money since grade horses typically bring less.
You have to add in the $40 to become a member. I think the breeder should do it and just add $30 to the cost of the foal. |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | GoGaited - 2014-02-25 4:48 PM SaraJean - 2014-02-25 10:11 AM Mine have all been registered before they turned 6 months old.....if you can't afford the wopping $30 to get them registered you probably shouldn't be raising a foal. I don't see any good reason not to register them, it protects the horse down the road as we all know that a registered horse has a better chance in the world than a grade one. And it also opens the door for the owner to sell for more money since grade horses typically bring less. You have to add in the $40 to become a member. I think the breeder should do it and just add $30 to the cost of the foal.
So add in the $40 to the $30 and you have $70 to paper one that's 7 months old or less. If you need DNA testing it's another $40.
That's barely a drop in the bucket of paying a stud fee, and getting a live foal on the ground.  |
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| 1 of the sales I consign to requires the foal be state bred...
Example foal costs (no feed, vet, etc):
stud fee $2500
enroll broodmare $50
register/parentage verify $70
challenge $300
accredit $50
consignment $600+ 5%
needless to say registering is the cheap part!!!!
add in vet work, mare care, feed, vaccinations, etc....and you cry  |
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Location: ND | registration obviously is the cheap part of horse ownership but that's a choice for each individual.....breeders could guarantee registration for every foal produced from genetics from their operation if they wanted to as well....... |
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| dhdqhllc - 2014-02-25 5:28 PM registration obviously is the cheap part of horse ownership but that's a choice for each individual.....breeders could guarantee registration for every foal produced from genetics from their operation if they wanted to as well.......
Only if they own the mares and stud owner cooperates!
Stallion owners cant force foal registration. |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | dhdqhllc - 2014-02-25 5:28 PM registration obviously is the cheap part of horse ownership but that's a choice for each individual.....breeders could guarantee registration for every foal produced from genetics from their operation if they wanted to as well.......
That is why when we sell our foals privately, we already have the papers in hand on them before they leave our place. They leave with their registration certificate and a signed transfer.
I can't really control if the owners of the outside mares that we breed, choose to register their foals or not. Any outside breeding, provided all of the fees have been paid for in full, I go ahead and released when filing my SBR. By releasing those breedings that have been fulfilled, my signature as the stallion owner is not needed to register a foal out of a mare that's been released.
That's about as close as I can get to guaranteeing registration to a buyer that may end up with a foal by one of our stallions but out of someone else's mare. The mare owner has quite a bit of responsibility there to get it done. |
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| We register every one ! I want people to know they are getting a baby out of a certain mare by a certain stud. I
know to some it doesnt matter, but we are a small operation and very proud of what we breed. |
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Location: ND | kuhlmann - 2014-02-25 5:59 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-02-25 5:28 PM registration obviously is the cheap part of horse ownership but that's a choice for each individual.....breeders could guarantee registration for every foal produced from genetics from their operation if they wanted to as well....... Only if they own the mares and stud owner cooperates!
Stallion owners cant force foal registration.
sure they can....for one they don't have to breed to outside mares.......however they want to accomplish that, whether by only breeding mares they own or by making prospective clients transfer their mare over until the foal is registered......
yes, all of that is un handy and turns people away but if you are that adamant about making sure that your foals have papers, you could go to that extreme.....
same with broodmare only owners in regards to prerequisites they could set up....although they may not find anyone willing to work with them...but again, if it's that important to someone.... |
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Location: Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2014-02-25 11:20 AM
To me if someone is breeding then its their responsibility to get these babys register. 
I guess the one that disliked my post is one of the lazy ones, hope that your not a breeder.
I agree. Seeing as the breeder is considered to be the mare owner, whoever is in possession of the mare should be the one registering the baby. For stallion owners who breed their own mares and sell semen to outside mares, their hands get tied if the mare owners who purchased breeding don't register the foal when it gets here. I still can't wrap my head around doing all that, waiting almost a year for a baby to get here, and then after ALL that not follow through and register it.
I won't sell any of my babies until their papers come back. |
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| dhdqhllc - 2014-02-25 7:16 PM kuhlmann - 2014-02-25 5:59 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-02-25 5:28 PM registration obviously is the cheap part of horse ownership but that's a choice for each individual.....breeders could guarantee registration for every foal produced from genetics from their operation if they wanted to as well....... Only if they own the mares and stud owner cooperates!
Stallion owners cant force foal registration.
yes, all of that is un handy and turns people away but if you are that adamant about making sure that your foals have papers, you could go to that extreme.....
same with broodmare only owners in regards to prerequisites they could set up....although they may not find anyone willing to work with them...but again, if it's that important to someone....
It would turn every serious breeder away and you know it.
Possible but absolutely impractical on every level lol |
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Location: Way up North | I didn't read all the replies but I am one of those that has a 2013 foal that isn't registered yet. He is a solid APHA so the rate increase from Dec 31st to yearling year isn't very much so I opted to wait until spring when he sheds. He is a really weird color that keeps changing and seeing as they want to argue colors with you when they are nice and slicked off I am not going to send in pictures of a baby buffalo. It's also not easy getting decent pictures of them without any help either. I keep my foals though.
On another note, do you think some of them are at the association but are delayed? Good Lord when I sent in for the previous years foal it took forever between the association and DNA what not. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | casualdust07 - 2014-02-25 7:32 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-02-25 11:20 AM To me if someone is breeding then its their responsibility to get these babys register.
I guess the one that disliked my post is one of the lazy ones, hope that your not a breeder. I agree. Seeing as the breeder is considered to be the mare owner, whoever is in possession of the mare should be the one registering the baby. For stallion owners who breed their own mares and sell semen to outside mares, their hands get tied if the mare owners who purchased breeding don't register the foal when it gets here. I still can't wrap my head around doing all that, waiting almost a year for a baby to get here, and then after ALL that not follow through and register it. I won't sell any of my babies until their papers come back.
Thank you  Thats what I dont understand either, if someone is in the business of getter their mare's bred or have more then a few mares and their own stud, why in the heck would they not want to get their babys register? I would want my name out there on some awesome babys that I worked hard to get on the ground. The stallion owners is responsible for getting the stud report in and the mare owners the registering. Simple  |
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