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Location: lexington KY | rodeomom13 - 2014-03-04 10:00 AM NJJ - 2014-03-04 7:44 AM For those of you who don't quite understand the rules used at The American.......
There was NO one set of rules (ie. PRCA/WPRA) used. The Rough stock riders were run under a rough stock association rules (like the NO "mark out" rule being used). The bull riding was run under the PBR rules and the barrel racing was run under the BBR rules....THAT is the only reason that men (and under 18 year olds) were allowed to compete.
Additionally, every man in the U.S was allowed to compete to qualify.....how many did? Apparently, most were not that concerned with being able to run at a rodeo. Thank you. 
I don't know why we're discussing this - other than it's something to talk about. It's comparing apples and oranges. The American is completely separate from PRCA and WPRA. They designed it that way, it's an OPEN rodeo. Any open rodeo I have been to allowed men in barrel racing as well as women in the roping and even rough stock events. They didn't get any of those entries, but they were allowed. The only thing that had anything to do with those associations were the invites. Which I think the PRCA and WPRA should have had to qualify too. Or at least only take the top 5, maybe.... It's a chance for those who don't have the ability to haul enough to make the NFR or go to the bigger money rodeos to compete for that amount of money. I loved the fact that there were some "no names" (for lack of a better term) who made it to the shootout.
As for men in the WPRA....... I will continue to keep that to myself.
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Location: NC | jock12 - 2014-03-04 3:38 AM
I was surprised Troy Crumrine didn't try to enter the American.He trained Mullberry Canyon Moon who won a couple of goes at the NFR.This cat can ride.
Just look at who trained Movin. And Stingray. And a few other stellar barrel horses. It wasn't a woman if that gives any clue.
I think next year we will see a lot more men competing at the qualifiers. LG said he was unable to this year but plans to enter year. I think a lot more guys will be the same way
And saying barrel racing is a girls 'sport' is just crazy. Guys are at the top of the game in every aspect but rodeo. I don't doubt there would be some top guys in the NFR if they were allowed to compete. The men are just as fierce as the women. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | hlynn - 2014-03-04 9:45 AM Guys are at the top of the game in every aspect but rodeo. I don't doubt there would be some top guys in the NFR if they were allowed to compete. The men are just as fierce as the women. SO....
IF the MEN "dominate" as you have repeatedly said....
WHY were they NOT qualified???
WHY didn't the ones who did try...... not qualify?????
WHERE were ALL of them????
This was their "golden opportunity" to shine........
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I have a feeling more men will enter the American next year, now that the precedent has been set. I'd like to see more men participating in barrel racing in general, wouldn't all of you? The more competition, the better, IMO. It would be nice to go to jackpots where at least 10% of riders are men. I am actually surprised that on a site that is comprised of 99% women, the opinions on this are as evenly split as they are. I've been to jackpots where I was the only man entered, out of 80-100. As much as I revel in the idea of having all those beautiful women to myself, I'd sure like to have a few more men around. I have to also admit that I am a little self conscious of the fact that there is a certain "stigma" associated with men who barrel race, among some people. As idiotic as that seems to me, it's always in the back of my mind. I've entered a few amateur rodeos, and my biggest thrill was a making it back to the perf at a Bulls n Barrels, where I very narrowly missed winning the whole thing. Even then I was very self-conscious because I was the only man to make it back and got a chance to run before a packed crowd. It didn't help that I wore a pink shirt, I suppose! LOL Still, I think any time you open up competition to more competition, you tend to elevate the quality of any sport. I love the idea of maintaining "traditions", but not at the expense of shutting someone out because of their gender any more than the color of their skin, religion, or sexual orientation. Women have always had a special connection with horses and they have always been excellent horsemen. Allowing men to compete won't diminish that one bit. In fact, as in any other endeavor where competition is involved, the caliber and excellence will undoubtedly improve. Some on this thread have already pointed out that a lot of top level men tried to qualify for the American, yet only one made it to the finals. The people who paid good money to fill that stadium on Sunday sure seemed to like Clint Sherlin when he ran, judging from the loud cheering crowd. This is a good thing!
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Location: Washington | There is room for both venues. It truly is that simple. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | fatchance - 2014-03-04 10:03 AM There is room for both venues. It truly is that simple.
I agree, FC. This was a breakthrough, in my opinion. I don't see men's participation in barrel racing as a drag on the popularity of rodeo, but time will tell. I don't see it as a significant threat to women either. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | fatchance - 2014-03-04 10:03 AM There is room for both venues. It truly is that simple.
That's my thought too , so I didn't vote. I think the WPRA should stay a women's-only association, but I love that men were given the chance to qualify for the American. There is definitely room for doing it both ways. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | angelica - 2014-03-04 8:45 AM I think it should be seperate. For me barrel racing is a womans sport, sorry if I anger anyone but that is how I feel. I have nothing against men, I am married to one, but some sports are for women and some for men period!
Really? Why? Just because? So are you saying men shouldn't barrel race? |
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Location: Southeastern Idaho | I would like to see all events open to both genders if they are going to allow it in one. Why not do it for all. If a girl can beat the boys then let her in. If the boys club doesn't want that to happen then the barrel racing needs to be women only in my opinion. Our local rodeo association are allowing boys in the breakaway, fine but let the girls in the team roping its only fair. |
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Location: lexington KY | Three 4 Luck - 2014-03-04 11:12 AM fatchance - 2014-03-04 10:03 AM There is room for both venues. It truly is that simple.
I agree 100%, I love the tradition behind the WPRA and I see nothing wrong with keeping that tradition. However I loved that The American was different, it gave everyone a chance. There is room for both. |
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Location: NC | NJJ - 2014-03-04 10:51 AM
hlynn - 2014-03-04 9:45 AM Guys are at the top of the game in every aspect but rodeo. I don't doubt there would be some top guys in the NFR if they were allowed to compete. The men are just as fierce as the women. SO....
IF the MEN "dominate" as you have repeatedly said....
WHY were they NOT qualified???
WHY didn't the ones who did try...... not qualify?????
WHERE were ALL of them????
This was their "golden opportunity" to shine........
Ugh. Here we go.
I would think most of the guys went to Mississippi to qualify. Three of the top ten qualifiers in that race were men. They placed one, two and 6th respectively in that qualifier. So that means that the one qualifier that was in the area where I said the men tend to 'dominate' was indeed won by a man. And second was a man. And 6th too.
(Did Kebo compete in the semis? I don't remember seeing his name on the draw but I may have just missed it.)
Anyways, I believe Mississippi was the place the most men were entered into the American side pot. And that's where you saw three men qualify.
You'll see more next year at the qualifiers I'm sure. A lot of people in general have caught that fever just from watching it.
Women are the predominant force in barrels. But here in the southeast, you'll see plenty of men at the top of the leaderboard week in and week out.
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Location: Colorado | luvropin - 2014-03-04 10:16 AM I would like to see all events open to both genders if they are going to allow it in one. Why not do it for all. If a girl can beat the boys then let her in. If the boys club doesn't want that to happen then the barrel racing needs to be women only in my opinion. Our local rodeo association are allowing boys in the breakaway, fine but let the girls in the team roping its only fair.
Women can and do hold PRCA cards.
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Location: NC | Honestly I think they should give some of the top guys who are willing to try it a chance at running with the girls. See if they can fill their permits and haul down the road with the rest of the crowd. It's the only way we'll ever really know.
What have they got to lose? If the guys can't hang, the anti-guys in rodeo sentiment wins. If they can win, then it should open up a new door to more/better competition down the road. |
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Location: Washington | What cracks me up about this debate each and everytime something new comes into play, is that so many are demanding equal rights for all in the rodeo world, when they should be worried about all rodeo's becoming invitational. Rodeo committee's are all about making money, and you make money by filling the stands.
If your joe blow or susie homemaker your going to get left out. Your name is not going to draw the numbers.
As with all things, there is always a bigger picture.
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Location: Southeastern Idaho | Stitch4k9 - 2014-03-04 9:26 AM
luvropin - 2014-03-04 10:16 AM I would like to see all events open to both genders if they are going to allow it in one. Why not do it for all. If a girl can beat the boys then let her in. If the boys club doesn't want that to happen then the barrel racing needs to be women only in my opinion. Our local rodeo association are allowing boys in the breakaway, fine but let the girls in the team roping its only fair.
Women can and do hold PRCA cards.
karen
But do they allow them to compete? I know for a fact that my sister was unable to haze for her husband in bull dogging at the pro shows. If they are allowed to compete then fine. |
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Location: The edge of no where | luvropin - 2014-03-04 10:36 AM Stitch4k9 - 2014-03-04 9:26 AM luvropin - 2014-03-04 10:16 AM I would like to see all events open to both genders if they are going to allow it in one. Why not do it for all. If a girl can beat the boys then let her in. If the boys club doesn't want that to happen then the barrel racing needs to be women only in my opinion. Our local rodeo association are allowing boys in the breakaway, fine but let the girls in the team roping its only fair. Women can and do hold PRCA cards.
karen But do they allow them to compete? I know for a fact that my sister was unable to haze for her husband in bull dogging at the pro shows. If they are allowed to compete then fine.
I know a girl roped at Cheyenne this year in the team roping. She made it to the short go. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | luvropin - 2014-03-04 10:36 AM Stitch4k9 - 2014-03-04 9:26 AM luvropin - 2014-03-04 10:16 AM I would like to see all events open to both genders if they are going to allow it in one. Why not do it for all. If a girl can beat the boys then let her in. If the boys club doesn't want that to happen then the barrel racing needs to be women only in my opinion. Our local rodeo association are allowing boys in the breakaway, fine but let the girls in the team roping its only fair. Women can and do hold PRCA cards.
karen But do they allow them to compete? I know for a fact that my sister was unable to haze for her husband in bull dogging at the pro shows. If they are allowed to compete then fine.
Was she a PRCA member? |
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Location: Southeastern Idaho | Yep, he was going to buy her a card but then didn't when the office said she wouldn't be allowed to haze. This was a few years ago...if they have since changed the rule then great. I am fine with open to the world if it is truly open to the world. It would be fun to see a woman header or heeler competing at that level. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Three 4 Luck - 2014-03-04 10:42 AM luvropin - 2014-03-04 10:36 AM Stitch4k9 - 2014-03-04 9:26 AM luvropin - 2014-03-04 10:16 AM I would like to see all events open to both genders if they are going to allow it in one. Why not do it for all. If a girl can beat the boys then let her in. If the boys club doesn't want that to happen then the barrel racing needs to be women only in my opinion. Our local rodeo association are allowing boys in the breakaway, fine but let the girls in the team roping its only fair. Women can and do hold PRCA cards.
karen But do they allow them to compete? I know for a fact that my sister was unable to haze for her husband in bull dogging at the pro shows. If they are allowed to compete then fine.
^^^^THIS......You have to be a member. I know one lady, for sure, who hazed for her husband and several others at PRCA Rodeos. |
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| There are many of the Open rodeo assn. in the south, and possibly IPRA( not positive) that are all one assn. in every event including the barrel race. Many of them added a men's barrel to their events, and if the rodeo committee wanted to have it , and the women's barrel race they could. Don't think many chose to have two barrel races. They also figured they could not be sued by men to include them in barrel race, as they offered one.
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